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On a 5ch thread frequented by Hello! Project fans, a discussion broke out after a poster pointed out that idol group Angerme’s autumn tour ticket sales are struggling even more than the spring tour. Some in the thread argued that the group has “no absolute center” since Kamiko’s graduation, and others noted that the NHK Osaka venue looked only about half full, while others pushed back that “tickets only went on sale the day before, so it’s too early to judge” — opinions split over the reasons for the slump and what it means going forward.
What people said
Is everyone at Up-Front management as dim as Inoue Kazuki? (a soccer figure whose name is slang for "clueless")
They're only doing this to shut the otaku up about suddenly dropping hall tours — it switches to livehouse tours next year anyway.
Juice's trust never actually fell.
They bounced right back after all the original members left.
There were just a lot of members with health issues.
Their current standing is the fair one.
Speaking from experience — I gave up on Juice in 2022, switched to Angerme, then went back to Juice in 2024. From that, I'd say the fatal flaw with today's Angerme is having no absolute center. There's no upside left.
Angerme is protected by their agency, so hall tours are guaranteed forever.
Protected by the agency and they still don't get invited to the TV Asahi festival, lol ("Ankasu" — a mocking nickname for Angerme). Ocha Norma's going in their place.
once those two are gone, there's a good chance they'll fall below an Angerme that's lost Take, Kamiko, Rikako, and Kawamura.
That's how big the gap is between Reiru and everyone else.
Even Reiru wasn't at top speed right away.
Still, it's a lineup you can hold out hope for.
Arisawa alone could beat all of today's Angerme combined.
JJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angerme
would just become
JJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angerme
That's all that'd change.
And honestly, Angerme's members in their 20s will probably quit before Danbara and Inoue do anyway, so by the time those two leave, it won't even matter.
Not the agency, not the members, not the fans — nobody has any idea how to turn this around or get people interested again. That's where things stand.
Watching Vanilla, you can feel that even the people who thought that back in spring have given up by autumn.
There was a time they had enough momentum to overtake Momusu for the top spot, but…
it really does come down to members and songs.
The singing itself is reasonably solid, but the moment Kamiko left, the charm of the vocal trade-offs vanished completely.
No growth from the members, ticket sales struggling, and now they've even given up on new songs and gone back to Smileage-era stuff.
Maybe someone asked to go all out on Smileage songs before graduating.
It's hard to fit that kind of setlist into a regular tour.
Never imagined they'd just… have no plan at all.
They need to at least keep up appearances.
If the scale shrinks, even the otaku who are still around will gradually start drifting away.
I bet the Budokan show is happening for that reason alone.
You've got to take the long view.
So this keeps going like this for another five years…?
Pretty sure you're the one who's been bashing Juice, lol
Juice has been an elite squad since the original lineup, so there's never been a reason to bash them, then or now. Why are you so touchy about who supposedly bashed whom and when?
Of course nobody's interested.
Background and Key Points of This Discussion
It’s worth noting that the claims in this thread are based on individual attendees’ impressions and visual estimates of how full the seats looked, not on officially released attendance or sales figures. Just as the claim that NHK Osaka was “only half full” was met with the counterargument that “tickets only went on sale the day before, so it’s premature to judge,” some feel it’s too hasty to conclude anything about the tour’s overall popularity from conditions right before a single show. The thread also repeatedly brought up comparisons with Juice=Juice; this likely reflects the board’s characteristic rivalry, stemming from the fact that both groups are active around the same period within Hello! Project and share part of their fan base. The thread title’s theory — that fans who kept coming out of sentimental attachment have finally given up as of spring — is ultimately just one poster’s personal speculation, and no concrete figures backing up that theory were presented in the thread.
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Angerme’s autumn tour struggling even more than spring basically means the fans who were coming out of sentimental loyalty through spring have finally given up and stopped showing.”
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