Up-Front: ‘We Hate Juice=Juice Because They Don’t Make Money’ — Fans Fire Back: ‘Juice=Juice Evolved Into Hello! Project’s Only Cash Cow’

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The story

On 5channel’s Hello! Project board, a heated debate broke out over whether the agency (Up-Front) has been giving Juice=Juice the cold shoulder. It started with a post claiming “Up-Front hates Juice=Juice,” which drew a wave of rebuttals pointing to the group’s experiments with new music-video production techniques and their track record of becoming a genuinely profitable group amid surging popularity. Others countered that ANGERME has been the agency’s favorite for years, while the thread also veered into the generational divide between newly minted fans and longtime veterans, plus predictions about how the pecking order between groups will shift next year — scattering the discussion in several directions with no consensus in sight.

What people said

1AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:18
Apparently Up-Front just flat-out hates Juice=Juice.
4AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:20
They've poured a ton of resources into them though, haven't they?
5AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:21
They even got you a flashy 'wardrobe-reveal' MV (a risqué fan-service shot).
Juice just caught heat for using AI and it blew up into controversy — that's why people turned on them.
9AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:22
Re: #5
Then why not make Tsubaki Factory a generative-AI MV too? Tsubaki fans would probably praise it.
43AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:40
Re: #5
Stuff like that is already standard in MVs — drone shots and the like.
It's just a bunch of out-of-touch old geezers who couldn't keep up, got spooked, and kicked up a fuss over nothing.
6AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:21
Not even Arisawa and Irie got any resources thrown their way until right before the 'Moreme' boom (5ch slang for the viral, flattering MV craze that sent them soaring) made their shows sell out.
7AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:22
Love you!
Wait, I mean — it's 'Juice = the Agency' (a pun on the group's 'A=B' name format).
8AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:22
The agency's favorite child is ANGERME, after all.
Profitable or not, they will never stop favoring ANGERME over Juice.
13AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:23
We can't let ourselves get trampled by the 'Moreme' bandwagon newcomers.
Hello! Project is a 29-year-old institution, you know?
16AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:24
Re: #13
Blame your own history — all you've built up barely kept the place from collapsing.
14AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:24
I like Juice=Juice, but I can't stand the bandwagon newbies who only showed up because of the 'Moreme' boom.
17AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:25
Re: #14
But those are basically the only people still paying into it these days.
48AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:41
Re: #14
If you're not spending money, just stay quiet — that's the vibe.
18AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:25
We won't let the newcomers have their way!
These bandwagon-jumpers who only discovered Juice=Juice this past year because of the 'Moreme' boom, lmaooo
Don't underestimate us old-timers with 10+ years as Hello! Project fans, lmaooo
22AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:27
Re: #18
Anyone who isn't from Ai no Tane (Juice=Juice's original fan club) counts as a newcomer.
25AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:29
There will be no 'Moreme' revolution.
Hello! Project stays the same as it's always been — over 20 years running, unchanged, unchanged.
Nothing changes. Hello! Project is Hello! Project. In the end nothing changes. We won't let it change. This is our home.
27AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:30
Re: #25
Attendance has been dropping, so clearly things ARE changing.
26AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:30
The 'Moreme' whirlwind ends this year, too.
By next year it'll all go back to normal, lol.
28AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:30
Re: #26
So who's going to be the big seller starting next year, then?
29AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:33
This year Juice=Juice just happened to catch fire for a bit.
Next year the Juice fever dies down too,
and Hello! Project goes back to feeling like it did two years ago, lol.
30AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:34
Re: #29
You actually want it to go back to that? There'd be nothing left to talk about.
45AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:40
Re: #29-30
Next year is Morning Musume's 30th anniversary.
The year after is Hello! Project's 30th anniversary, you know.
32AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:36
They don't even have a single TV commercial, so it doesn't seem like they're making that much, really.
34AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:38
Re: #32
Fan club membership fees are the most direct source of income, though.
35AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:38
Re: #28
Morning Musume.
OCHA NORMA.
36AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:39
Re: #35
As opposed to what, exactly?
37AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:39
They put out an EP, which costs more than a single — what are you even talking about?
Juice was clearly getting the royal treatment.
40AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:39
Re: #37
Then other groups should put out EPs too and their fans can just be happy about it?
44AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:40
Re: #37
But this EP also flopped hard in sales and Juice stumbled —
no wonder people are giving up on them.
38AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:39
Next year, Juice=Juice's momentum will cool off and their current one-group-dominates streak will end.
Morning Musume, ANGERME, Juice=Juice, and BEYOOOOONDS will all be running neck and neck.
A step behind them: Tsubaki Factory and OCHA NORMA.
And further down, Rosy Chronicle will suddenly surge and start closing in on their senior groups.
The gap that opened up this year will narrow again — that's the Hello! Project scenario for next year.
41AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:39
Re: #38
They won't end up neck and neck — the talent level is just too different.
39AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:39
Re: #34
That's basically just the same story as when Sato was popular back in the day, isn't it?
42AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:39
Re: #39
Sato's boost was just existing fans shifting over — it never translated into a surge of new paying members.
46AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:41
It really comes down to TV commercials and sponsors.
52AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:42
Re: #46
Hello! Project's real sponsors are the fan club members.
55AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:43
Re: #52
Then what exactly are you asking for?
Aren't you basically saying they should land glamorous corporate gigs and the like?
50AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:41
Re: #45
How is any of that going to generate more buzz than Juice=Juice did this year?
57AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:46
Re: #50
Morning Musume's 19th generation is getting a real talent —
someone from Shikoku is joining.
Also, for Hello! Project's 30th anniversary, Berryz Kobo, Matsuura, Manoeri, Buono!, and Melon Kinenbi (minus Otani) are all reportedly reuniting, with the current lineup mainly centered on Juice.
59AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:46
Re: #50
Morning Musume's 19th generation is getting a real talent —
someone from Shikoku is joining.
Also, for Hello! Project's 30th anniversary, Berryz Kobo, Matsuura, Manoeri, Buono!, and Melon Kinenbi (minus Otani) are all reportedly reuniting, with the current lineup mainly centered on Juice.
51AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:42
If they'd put out a single and it didn't even hit #1 within Hello! Project,
it would've killed their momentum — I think that's why they released it as an EP instead.
53AnonymousOct 22, 2026 07:42
Re: #51
It was heading for #1, so they made it an EP specifically to kill the momentum.

Background and key points of this debate

Hello! Project is the roster of female idol groups under the Up-Front Group umbrella, and both Juice=Juice and ANGERME belong to it. What split the thread was a gut-level disagreement over which group the agency actually favors: one side pointed to the MV’s new production techniques and the EP release format as evidence Juice=Juice was being shortchanged, while the other argued that fan club membership fees — not flashy exposure — are the real backbone of the agency’s revenue, so visibility alone doesn’t tell the whole story. On top of that, a generational divide between recently joined fans and longtime veterans became a recurring undercurrent, with both sides quietly using different definitions of what counts as the group ‘making money’ — easy to miss if you only skim the replies. The fact that next year marks Morning Musume’s 30th anniversary, and the year after marks Hello! Project’s 30th anniversary overall, is also part of why the debate over next year’s pecking order got so heated.

※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5channel (Hello! Project board) thread “Up-Front: ‘I hate Juice=Juice because they don’t make money’ / Juice=Juice: ‘We’ve evolved into Hello! Project’s only cash cow!’ / Agency: ‘…I hate what I hate’.”

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