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Over footage of Juice=Juice’s performance on NHK’s music program Venue102, a thread went up on 5ch’s Hello! Project board mocking ANGERME with claims that their “embarrassingly empty seats got exposed.” But posters quickly fired back, pointing out that Juice=Juice’s own autumn tour and festival tickets weren’t selling either, and the thread spiraled into a full-blown comparison of attendance numbers and Blu-ray/DVD sales. Posters kept dropping each group’s Budokan concert disc-sales figures and audience photos, fueling an ongoing fan-vs-fan slugfest.
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Juice=Juice's "Lucky Fest" Turns Out to Be Empty Too lolololololololololololololol
Exactly this.
And on top of that, Juice's autumn tour isn't selling at all either
Yeah, Juice's tour tickets aren't selling at all either.
ANGERME's drawing power is overwhelmingly stronger
They're already hated both inside and outside the fandom "village"
Their autumn tour's already empty, and it's basically a lock that every upcoming festival slot will be empty too
What are they gonna do about this
Somebody~ buy their tickets~
They've got a mountain of leftovers~~~
Juice this year:
ANGERME last year:
ANGERME's turnout this year was way fuller though?
That's exactly why Juice's autumn tour is empty too
Tsubaki's audience demographic:
ANGERME > Juice > Tsubaki
Ranking settled
Juice's autumn tour being empty is hilarious
Looks like about 300 people lolololol
Juice pulling 300 people lolololololololololololol
Pathetic lolololololololololololololololololol
They can never go up against ANGERME again, this "Shiru" lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
Alright, ranking settled
Juice, whining over petty little details lol
In the end they never topped ANGERME, and now that the "Moremi" boost (a flattering-photo/hype effect tied to a member) has worn off, they reportedly have fewer fans than before it even kicked in
This was probably their first time on this kind of slot in about 10 years
It's hopeless now.
Juice's CDs and Blu-rays didn't sell, and their concerts were empty both spring and fall
Latest BD/DVD sales by group:
Juice=Juice — Fall 2025, Budokan: 8,585 copies
Morning Musume. — Fall 2025, Haga/Yokoyama graduation concert, Yokohama Arena: 2,764 copies
OCHA NORMA — 2025, Budokan: 1,492 copies
Tsubaki Factory — 2025, Yagi graduation concert, Budokan: 1,302 copies
ANGERME — Fall 2025, Budokan: 1,279 copies 👈
BEYOOOOONDS — Spring 2025, Shimakura graduation concert: 1,209 copies
Doesn't matter what numbers you post, they were still empty at the most recent festival lol
That just means people are sick of them already
If they sold tickets today:
Juice would move 500,
ANGERME would move 9,000.
That's the reality, you know?
Juice, whining over petty little details lol
Tsubaki's audience demographic:
Tsubaki lolololololololololol
Background and Key Points of This Story
Since Hello! Project is home to several sister groups, fan-driven comparison wars over attendance numbers and CD/Blu-ray sales are a recurring staple on 5ch’s Hello! Project board. This thread was sparked by audience footage from NHK’s Venue102, with ANGERME initially getting mocked — only for the conversation to flip once posters pointed out that Juice=Juice’s own autumn tour and festival tickets weren’t selling well either. It’s worth noting that the attendance estimates and “X copies sold” disc-sales figures cited throughout the thread are based purely on individual posters’ own knowledge or images, and have not been verified against official figures. The “audience demographic” photo comparisons and references to the “Moremi” effect are also steeped in fandom-insider context that may be hard for outside readers to follow.
*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Juice=Juice Tries to Trash-Talk ANGERME and Gets Countered lol.”
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