A thread titled “Doesn’t it feel like an unusual number of weird things keep happening around Angerme lately?” popped up on 5ch’s Hello! Project board, concerning the Hello! Project idol group Angerme. Posters listed a string of incidents in a short span — member illnesses, a fire in Ise, a member’s absence from a release event, and an earthquake in a member’s hometown — and opinions split over whether this was mere coincidence or connected to Angerme being overtaken by Juice=Juice and BEYOOOOONDS in various rankings. Some also drew comparisons to when Tsubaki Factory was previously overtaken in the group hierarchy.
What people said
1AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:46
This can't just be my imagination…
6AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:49
Angerme's always been like this, though
7AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:49
Someone make a timeline of all this weird stuff
8AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:49
It really is happening too much to be a coincidence
9AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:50
Coincidence? No, destiny! A-i-un-en-o~n! (a play on the "a-i-u-e-o" vowel chant, swapping in 運 "un" for luck and 縁 "en" for fate/connection)
11AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:50
Aside from the Ise fire, they brought the rest on themselves
16AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:57
Divine punishment from the vengeful spirit of "Master" Ikeda (a nod to Soka Gakkai leader Daisaku Ikeda) has struck the Angerme members who follow Soka Gakkai yet still cozy up to Ise Shrine, an enemy of Buddhism
17AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:58
Tsubaki Factory could stay calm even after being overtaken by BEYOOOOONDS because they have a lot of older members,
but Angerme got overtaken by Juice=Juice right after Kamikokuryo left,
so with only young members left, Angerme has become unstable
18AnonymousSep 4, 2026 15:59
It was supposed to be fine since it's just the pursuit of worldly benefits (genze riyaku, this-worldly blessings sought through religious practice)
19AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:00
The "Ise blowing up" has finally become literal, and now it's a serious situation (playing on enjou, which means both "going up in flames online" and "catching fire")
20AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:00
Ever since Goto joined — like a King Bombii (the bad-luck character from the Momotaro Dentetsu game) — something's been off
25AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:02
Divine punishment, since they have no real faith but exploit Ise Shrine for money
26AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:03
Wasn't the gay bar thing a different case?
Tsubaki's always been weird so I can't even tell which period we're talking about
27AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:05
So the members really are conscious of the group hierarchy after all
28AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:05
So the year 2020, when Kogata complained, was right when they got overtaken by BEYOOOOONDS
29AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:05
It's not "lately" — it's been since Goto joined
37AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:09
Re: #29
There's someone who keeps saying this, but
didn't things really start going bad after Kamikokuryo and Nagano swapped out?
Even after Goto joined, nothing seemed off until Nagano came in
30AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:06
Let's shed some "angel tears" — "so frustrating," right? (quoting a line from Angerme's song "Tenshi no Namida," Angel's Tears)
32AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:06
– Hirayama got sick
– Goto got sick
– Ise had a fire
– The booty-shaking "Vanilla" clip got taken down
What else is there?
39AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:10
Re: #32
At the midsummer release event, it turned into "half Angerme" (only half the members showed up)
41AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:11
Re: #32
An earthquake hit Kamikokuryo's hometown
34AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:07
All I feel is the kind of aura you'd get losing 109 to 0
35AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:08
They've got nothing but members who look like they'd get casually brushed off by the likes of Oda, Tanimoto, and Kobayashi
38AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:10
Yeah, the bad luck streak really did kick off once they got overtaken by BEYOOOOONDS on streaming numbers
45AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:12
Re: #38
It's all BEYOOOOONDS's fault, huh
40AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:10
"Dekabo" and "Konchu" ("Insect") are both getting good reviews, so this is just reputational damage by association
42AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:11
Even as the sacrificial underdog (kamase-inu, a "pawn" set up to lose), land one good hit on the higher-ranked group
43AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:11
Isn't this Buddhist punishment for cozying up to Shinto, their sworn mortal enemy?
47AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:13
Sashihara Rino: "The reason Juice=Juice sells is because they don't play it cool (sukashitenai). Juice=Juice is amazing because they sing 100% full-effort no matter the setting or the song."
https://kizuna.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/morningcoffee/1788505945/
48AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:14
Maybe Nishiguchi's family should get a new Buddhist altar
49AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:15
– Overtaken by BEYOOOOONDS on streaming
– Kamiko's (Kamikokuryo's nickname) view count dropped by -70,000
– The "Vanilla" video's editing is sloppy
50AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:15
Digging into this "disharmony" angle is fine, but it's pretty niche — for hardcore fans only
51AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:15
I've never seen an idol group this out of sync
53AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:17
Nagano's got ConChu! and Goto's got "Dekabo" — they'll be fine
56AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:19
Angerme's luck got sucked up by BEYOOOOONDS!
Hello! Q&A, 260904 (Sept 4, 2026)
Q. Which member do you feel you've gotten closer to recently?
Nishida Shiori: Tamenaga Sachine-chan!
Eguchi Saya: Ise Suzuran-chan!
We're the same age so we were already close, but we've been talking more at concerts and even made plans to hang out, so I feel like we've gotten even closer!
Maeda Kokoro: Angerme's Tamenaga Sachine-chan ♡♡
We got to go out to eat together, just the two of us, off the clock! Such a wonderful girl! Love her!
Hirai Miyo: Goto Hana-chan!
We went out to eat and chat the other day and it was so much fun ♪
59AnonymousSep 4, 2026 16:26
Re: #56
Maybe behind this sudden burst of "diplomacy" is that they were told about an Angerme disbandment redistribution draft
Background and Key Points of This Topic
Behind this thread lies an ongoing “ranking” rivalry between groups within Hello! Project. Newer groups like BEYOOOOONDS and Juice=Juice have risen and overtaken Angerme and Tsubaki Factory in metrics like monthly sales and streaming numbers, and longtime fans widely hold the view that Angerme became unstable after Kamikokuryo’s departure. Where opinions in the thread diverged was over whether to read this string of misfortunes (member illnesses, the fire in Ise, an absence at a release event, an earthquake in a member’s hometown, etc.) as mere coincidence, or to frame it in terms of a “curse” tied to the rankings being overturned. That said, posts making definitive claims about individual members’ relationships or reasons for leaving are unsubstantiated rumor, and such posts have been excluded from this article. Readers should treat this kind of posting as fan chatter rather than fact.
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