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On 5ch’s Hello! Project board, where H!P fans gather, a debate broke out after BEYOOOOONDS’ new music video and CUTIE STREET’s live footage both blew up at the same time — right when the spotlight was supposed to be on Juice=Juice. Some posters, noting that Juice=Juice’s past viral moments helped boost other groups’ visibility, grumbled ‘time to return the favor,’ while others countered that growing the overall fanbase benefits everyone. Opinions also split over whether YouTube’s Trending rankings and view-count breakdowns really count as ‘proof of popularity,’ turning it into a debate that simple number-crunching can’t settle.
What people said
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During the time we're supposed to be pushing Juice hard like crazy…
One Tsunku♂ (H!P's famed producer) song a year ← Juice doesn't even get Tsunku songs
Weak lineup too ← Juice is stacked with great members
If Juice got treated like Morning Musume, it never would've gone viral
If lineup quality counts as part of the 'treatment,' then couldn't you argue there's a parallel universe where the members currently in Morning Musume wouldn't even have been cast?
Pay it back already.
Most of those people were just sneering at it.
It was Juice fans and newcomers who built that up from scratch.
There's no point riding that wave forever.
Time moves on mercilessly, so they need to move forward.
They haven't even attempted it yet, though.
Put that same energy into promoting the new single instead.
Exactly!
That's the crux of it.
Lol, total favoritism toward Juice
Getting this worked up about it is just unhinged.
But BEYOO fans were just as worked up over the 'Moremi' clip, so it goes both ways.
Milk → 'Sukisugite Metsu (Loving You Too Much It's Destruction)' goes viral → 'Bakuretsu Aishiteru (Explosively In Love)' also goes viral 4 months later
Juice → the 'Moremi' clip goes viral → new single flops 9 months later
Which Juice single flopped, exactly?
Are you just making that up?
The 'Kurakura' stuff.
It didn't flop.
There isn't even an MV for it in the first place.
Uh… wasn't that a total flop though?
That whatchamacallit-Bullet song flopped too.
There isn't a single Angerme fan in those comments, so it's pretty transparent jealousy.
Just like people found their way to BEYOO through Juice as a gateway,
it'd be great if BEYOO became the gateway that spreads interest to other groups too.
That's a nice vision for the future.
・3.55 million — 'Kurakura☆Climax' live video
・340,000 — 'Vanilla' live video
・430,000 — 'Vanilla' MV
・310,000 — 'Vanilla' dance-practice video
・40,000 — 'Vanilla' MV watch party
→ Total: 1.12 million
And that's why I'm calling 'Vanilla' — the copycat rehash of the 'Moremi' clip — a massive flop lol
They're both trash.
The fact that you're even comparing it to Angerme just proves it can't compete outside the H!P bubble.
The thing is, Juice fans' viewing habits skew 'low quality.'
Even the Harami-chan × Juice 'Moremi' clip
had viewing quality so poor it never made Trending.
NHK actually tracks that stuff — like how many seconds people watched, etc.
Trending isn't a chart that only ranks 'high-quality' videos.
When BEYOOOOONDS dropped all three MVs for their major debut single at once, the one that ranked highest on Trending was actually the one with the fewest views.
This is the Idol Wolf board (5ch's female-idol board) — of course we're talking about Hello! Project here lol
Whether something's a 'flop' or not isn't something you measure purely within Hello! Project, is it?
For Juice=Juice, the YouTube video is footage of them appearing on TV.
If you break 100 million views, you'd probably get on TV.
Cutie St.'s numbers are just as much of a flop.
If we're comparing flops, Juice=Juice still comes out ahead.
Yeah, honestly that song hasn't become a talking point at all.
Then why didn't the Harami × Juice video make Trending?
The Harami-chan channel doesn't usually get that many views anyway.
Like I said, Trending itself isn't a chart you should take at face value, so it's not worth worrying about.
Background and Key Points of This Debate
Because Hello! Project operates by having each group take turns releasing new singles and live footage, fans naturally develop a sense of whose ‘turn to shine’ it is. This time, fan frustration boiled over because BEYOOOOONDS’ new MV release and CUTIE STREET’s live-video view counts both became talking points during what was supposed to be Juice=Juice’s moment in the spotlight — leaving some fans feeling shortchanged. The debate centers on whether YouTube’s Trending rankings and the breakdown of view counts can really be treated as ‘proof of popularity,’ and posters are split on what standard to judge that by. It’s a common misconception that making Trending hinges purely on how fast a video is watched, and doesn’t necessarily line up with total view count or viewing quality. There’s also a rift between fans who point out that Juice=Juice’s past viral moments helped raise BEYOOOOONDS’ profile and are now demanding that favor be ‘returned,’ and those who see fanbase growth as a two-way synergy that benefits everyone.
*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread ‘Why try to hype up other groups when it’s supposed to be Juice’s big push time?’.
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