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The story
TBS drama “VIVANT”‘s new plot twist became a hot topic on 5channel’s News VIP board. The scene where protagonist Nogi Yusuke, surrounded by an elite enemy organization, single-handedly wipes them all out, along with the reveal that a nuclear fusion device was implanted in his daughter’s butt, drew a wave of comments calling it “amateur web-novel power-fantasy writing,” sparking a debate over the show’s quality. The back-and-forth between defenders and critics gradually expanded into a clash over message-board culture itself — whether a thread “growing” on VIP is actually a valid measure of how good something is.
What people said
Apparently Nogi Yusuke got surrounded by the enemy org (a bunch of elites) and wiped them all out solo.
This is straight-up power-fantasy web-novel territory.
This is straight-up power-fantasy web-novel territory.
It's been dumb web-novel-tier writing from the start.
What's with implanting some foreign object in a little girl's butt lol
What's with implanting some foreign object in a little girl's butt lol
Re: #4
You're just cherry-picking that one detail and getting off on calling it "dumb writing" over and over.
And "little girl's butt" — that's a crude way to put it, with zero substance behind it.
You're just cherry-picking that one detail and getting off on calling it "dumb writing" over and over.
And "little girl's butt" — that's a crude way to put it, with zero substance behind it.
Season 1 wasn't even interesting, who's even watching that?
Probably people who don't read manga or novels.
Probably people who don't read manga or novels.
Re: #5
People who do read manga and novels enjoy it just fine too.
Asking "who's even watching this if it's boring" — you're overthinking it, you're the one who's most hung up on it here.
People who do read manga and novels enjoy it just fine too.
Asking "who's even watching this if it's boring" — you're overthinking it, you're the one who's most hung up on it here.
It's a show for adults with the mental age of a kindergartner, so that's about the right level for it.
Re: #6
That jab is the most childish thing here.
You haven't even watched it and you're just deciding it's "for adults" to dodge the question.
That jab is the most childish thing here.
You haven't even watched it and you're just deciding it's "for adults" to dodge the question.
You guys really love VIVANT huh.
Is it really that good?
Is it really that good?
Re: #9
It's good.
They discovered the one and only fusion solution to the world's energy problem, so naturally they implanted it in his daughter's butt lol
It's good.
They discovered the one and only fusion solution to the world's energy problem, so naturally they implanted it in his daughter's butt lol
Re: #15
Makes zero sense, lmao.
Makes zero sense, lmao.
Re: #96
People already said it's good in Re: #15 and Re: #29, are you blind?
At the end of the day you just can't argue substance so you're pretending it never happened.
People already said it's good in Re: #15 and Re: #29, are you blind?
At the end of the day you just can't argue substance so you're pretending it never happened.
Re: #103
Hope someone reads Re: #15 and Re: #29 and decides VIVANT sounds good.
Anyway I'm not watching it, so please stop replying to me.
Hope someone reads Re: #15 and Re: #29 and decides VIVANT sounds good.
Anyway I'm not watching it, so please stop replying to me.
All my coworkers watch it too.
You guys are just out of touch with the real world.
You guys are just out of touch with the real world.
Re: #13
"My coworkers all watch it so it must be good" — that's just blaming society instead of talking substance.
Thinking your office vibe is the global standard, that's what being out of touch actually looks like.
"My coworkers all watch it so it must be good" — that's just blaming society instead of talking substance.
Thinking your office vibe is the global standard, that's what being out of touch actually looks like.
Why are you getting so worked up over a mainstream entertainment drama?
Re: #18
"It's mainstream entertainment so no criticism allowed" — convenient little dodge.
If you just want to praise it no matter how sloppy it is, say so from the start.
"It's mainstream entertainment so no criticism allowed" — convenient little dodge.
If you just want to praise it no matter how sloppy it is, say so from the start.
Re: #20
At least pick a side before you start with the annoying back-and-forth.
At least pick a side before you start with the annoying back-and-forth.
Re: #20
Which side are you even on?
Pro-VIVANT or anti-VIVANT?
Which side are you even on?
Pro-VIVANT or anti-VIVANT?
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What is this guy's deal.
Who even is this, just picking fights with anyone regardless.
What is this guy's deal.
Who even is this, just picking fights with anyone regardless.
Re: #22
Seen this one around a lot the past few months.
The replies are so one-note it's almost cute.
Seen this one around a lot the past few months.
The replies are so one-note it's almost cute.
Re: #22
Thinking you've "won" just by saying "who is this" is shallow.
You can't argue substance so you're dodging by labeling it as just picking fights.
Thinking you've "won" just by saying "who is this" is shallow.
You can't argue substance so you're dodging by labeling it as just picking fights.
Re: #21
Needing to pick a side before you can even talk, that's already fanboy brain.
You're the one dodging the point by hiding behind the phrase "annoying back-and-forth."
Needing to pick a side before you can even talk, that's already fanboy brain.
You're the one dodging the point by hiding behind the phrase "annoying back-and-forth."
Re: #23
Hey there, Mr. Annoying-Back-and-Forth.
Hey there, Mr. Annoying-Back-and-Forth.
"…right?"
"…for real."
Is that seriously the only copy-paste template you've got? (mocking the stock ~daro/~dawa sentence endings spammed throughout this thread)
"…for real."
Is that seriously the only copy-paste template you've got? (mocking the stock ~daro/~dawa sentence endings spammed throughout this thread)
Re: #31
You're the one who can only do template taunts.
Stop dodging into nitpicking phrasing and respond with actual substance.
You're the one who can only do template taunts.
Stop dodging into nitpicking phrasing and respond with actual substance.
If they ever make a movie out of this, it'll flop just like the 'Bayside Shakedown' films did (踊る大捜査線 — a hit TV drama whose later movie sequels were seen as a letdown).
Re: #36
Saying it'll flop "just like that" is way too much wishful thinking.
Nothing's even come out yet and you're already declaring it a failure just to feel good about yourself.
Saying it'll flop "just like that" is way too much wishful thinking.
Nothing's even come out yet and you're already declaring it a failure just to feel good about yourself.
If a thread gets made on VIP, that means it's interesting.
Boring stuff doesn't even get a thread on VIP.
Boring stuff doesn't even get a thread on VIP.
Re: #52
"Thread on VIP = interesting" — that logic is way too loose.
Threads get made for bashing or flame wars too, that argument itself has zero substance, it's just a dodge.
"Thread on VIP = interesting" — that logic is way too loose.
Threads get made for bashing or flame wars too, that argument itself has zero substance, it's just a dodge.
Re: #55
Something truly boring doesn't even get bashed or cause a flame war.
The fact that a thread got made on VIP and grew to some extent already guarantees a certain level of "interesting."
Something truly boring doesn't even get bashed or cause a flame war.
The fact that a thread got made on VIP and grew to some extent already guarantees a certain level of "interesting."
Re: #56
There's a chance someone connected to the production is making the threads themselves, so doesn't that mean it's not really a guarantee of being interesting?
There's a chance someone connected to the production is making the threads themselves, so doesn't that mean it's not really a guarantee of being interesting?
Re: #56
You're still saying "growing = interesting"?
If you're going to claim even a thread that's only growing from bashing or being mocked counts as a guarantee, then literally anything becomes a masterpiece.
You're still saying "growing = interesting"?
If you're going to claim even a thread that's only growing from bashing or being mocked counts as a guarantee, then literally anything becomes a masterpiece.
Re: #58
In that case the thread wouldn't grow and would just die out quickly.
In that case the thread wouldn't grow and would just die out quickly.
Re: #61
There's also the possibility multiple people from the production are replying, so "the thread grows, therefore it's interesting" is really a stretch.
There's also the possibility multiple people from the production are replying, so "the thread grows, therefore it's interesting" is really a stretch.
Re: #63
In that case it'd be obvious right away since it'd be nothing but unnaturally positive comments.
If a thread grows on VIP with a genuine mix of pro and con opinions, it's generally interesting.
In that case it'd be obvious right away since it'd be nothing but unnaturally positive comments.
If a thread grows on VIP with a genuine mix of pro and con opinions, it's generally interesting.
Re: #64
That's just you being a fanboy.
No different from someone hooked on some new cult going "whatever Master So-and-so says is always right!"
That's just you being a fanboy.
No different from someone hooked on some new cult going "whatever Master So-and-so says is always right!"
Re: #64
Whether something looks "unnatural" is subjective anyway, and even with production people mixed in you can still fake a mix of opinions.
"Mixed opinions = interesting" is a theory sloppy enough to hold up as long as there's some controversy, that's all.
Whether something looks "unnatural" is subjective anyway, and even with production people mixed in you can still fake a mix of opinions.
"Mixed opinions = interesting" is a theory sloppy enough to hold up as long as there's some controversy, that's all.
Re: #65
What's a "fanboy of the VIP board" even supposed to mean.
You alright in the head?
What's a "fanboy of the VIP board" even supposed to mean.
You alright in the head?
Re: #66
What I meant was that you're a VIVANT fanboy, so you're forcing the argument into "the thread grows, therefore VIVANT is interesting."
Didn't expect you to come up with such a nonsensical interpretation.
You alright in the head? Guess not.
What I meant was that you're a VIVANT fanboy, so you're forcing the argument into "the thread grows, therefore VIVANT is interesting."
Didn't expect you to come up with such a nonsensical interpretation.
You alright in the head? Guess not.
Re: #73
Huh??
I've never even watched VIVANT once, so what exactly did you read that made you think I'm a VIVANT fanboy?
Are you seriously alright in the head?
Huh??
I've never even watched VIVANT once, so what exactly did you read that made you think I'm a VIVANT fanboy?
Are you seriously alright in the head?
Re: #73
The moment all you can do is label someone a fanboy and question their sanity, you've already lost.
You're the one mixing up "the thread is growing" with "the show is good."
The moment all you can do is label someone a fanboy and question their sanity, you've already lost.
You're the one mixing up "the thread is growing" with "the show is good."
Re: #76
Ah, so then VIVANT isn't actually interesting, which means you haven't watched it either.
Glad we reached a conclusion.
Ah, so then VIVANT isn't actually interesting, which means you haven't watched it either.
Glad we reached a conclusion.
Re: #78
How do you judge something as "not interesting" without even watching it lol
You're honestly at the point where you should go see a doctor.
How do you judge something as "not interesting" without even watching it lol
You're honestly at the point where you should go see a doctor.
Re: #79
You're the one who hasn't watched VIVANT but keeps insisting "VIVANT is interesting!" Maybe you should be the one seeing a doctor?
You're the one who hasn't watched VIVANT but keeps insisting "VIVANT is interesting!" Maybe you should be the one seeing a doctor?
Re: #81
I never once said "VIVANT is interesting" to begin with.
I only stated the general rule that "if a thread grows on VIP, it's usually interesting."
You're like someone flipping out with "there are bipedal mammals too!!" in response to someone saying "most mammals walk on four legs."
I never once said "VIVANT is interesting" to begin with.
I only stated the general rule that "if a thread grows on VIP, it's usually interesting."
You're like someone flipping out with "there are bipedal mammals too!!" in response to someone saying "most mammals walk on four legs."
Re: #81
You never said "interesting" once, yet you're fabricating that and throwing hospital jabs around, this conversation doesn't even hold together.
You just couldn't counter the argument so you ran to personal attacks, you're the one who should go.
You never said "interesting" once, yet you're fabricating that and throwing hospital jabs around, this conversation doesn't even hold together.
You just couldn't counter the argument so you ran to personal attacks, you're the one who should go.
Background and Key Points of This Discussion
“VIVANT” is an ongoing drama from TBS’s Sunday Theater slot, known for outlandish, over-the-top developments unusual for a spy drama. The scenes that sparked this thread — the protagonist single-handedly wiping out an entire enemy organization, and a fusion device being implanted in his daughter’s butt — follow in that same tradition and tend to divide opinion. What stands out is that the thread’s central conflict drifted away from the show’s actual quality and toward the validity of the rule of thumb that “a thread growing on VIP means it’s interesting,” with some posters suggesting production insiders might be manipulating the impression. The discussion slid from a review of the show into a debate about message-board culture itself, eventually escalating into posters questioning each other’s sanity. That said, it’s worth noting this is an exchange between anonymous posters and doesn’t single out or defame any real individual.
*This article is an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (News Speed VIP) thread “[Sad News] VIVANT Has Already Gone Completely Off the Rails.”
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