Juice=Juice’s remaining unaccomplished tasks down to just 4 — 5ch: “Size is justice”

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A thread titled “The only tasks Juice=Juice haven’t accomplished are the Kohaku Uta Gassen, a million-seller, a venue bigger than K Arena, and their own terrestrial TV show” appeared on 5ch’s Hello! Project board. While many agreed that hitting a million in CD sales is now unrealistic, discussion shifted to venue prestige, with K Arena Yokohama introduced as “the top tier” — sparking a debate over the pecking order against Yokohama Arena and Budokan, venues Hello! Project has traditionally used to confer status. Then someone posted an image arguing the group has already landed its own terrestrial TV show via TVer, undercutting the very premise of the discussion.

What people said

1AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:39
This is basically upper-mid-tier idol status, isn't it…
3AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:41
In order of likelihood:
K Arena → Kohaku → own show → Million seller
4AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:41
Re: #1
Yeah, true
Guess that makes it "Offshore = Company" then (riffing on the group's "X=X" naming format)
6AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:42
A million-seller is just not happening
That one's on a completely different level
7AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:43
Million sellers are basically out of reach for Hello! Project now!
10AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:50
Is K Arena really ranked above Yokohama Arena?
20AnonymousSep 9, 2026 23:25
Re: #10
Way above, easily
K Arena holds 20,000 people

Honestly Budokan and Yokohama Arena aren't that different in size
Hello! Project just treats Yokohama Arena like some prestigious milestone though
32AnonymousSep 10, 2026 01:46
Re: #10
Saitama Super Arena > K Arena > Yokohama Arena > Yoyogi > Budokan = PIA Arena MM
11AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:54
Million sellers just don't happen anymore these days
For live shows, it'd be more like pulling off three days at Tokyo Dome, or a dome tour hitting Tokyo/Osaka/Sapporo/Fukuoka
12AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:56
No way they'd skip Nagoya Dome with Hayashi Nia-chan in the group
13AnonymousSep 9, 2026 22:57
They haven't even hit 150k, 200k, or 500k copies sold, so why is "million-seller" the only sales milestone being singled out as unachieved?
17AnonymousSep 9, 2026 23:02
They're getting some mid-level buzz on social media, but the songs haven't really caught on with the general public, so it's a bit of a question mark
Feels like the industry is forcing the hype a little
21AnonymousSep 9, 2026 23:26
Re: #17
That kind of push is necessary though
Up until now the media kept getting stuck promoting some baffling "KAWAII" gimmick or K-pop-style angle
so there's real relief that something normal has finally come along
18AnonymousSep 9, 2026 23:02
Of the hurdles listed here, Kohaku looks easiest
K Arena's probably next
19AnonymousSep 9, 2026 23:02
Kohaku
Arena tour
Dome tour
Coachella appearance
Grammy nomination
World tour
22AnonymousSep 9, 2026 23:27
Re: #20
Yeah, that weird deification of Yokohama Arena never made much sense
You could cram the same crowd into Budokan and it'd barely be different
28AnonymousSep 10, 2026 00:20
Re: #22
They were desperately trying to make Morning Musume and Angerme look more prestigious
It was a sad strategy from Hello! Project's less successful era
Going forward I want Juice=Juice to keep breaking new ground instead
23AnonymousSep 9, 2026 23:40
They've already gotten their own terrestrial TV show
https://image-cdn.tver.jp/images/content/thumbnail/episode/xlarge/eps387a516.jpg
24AnonymousSep 9, 2026 23:47
Even once a month is fine, just please make this a regular series
25AnonymousSep 10, 2026 00:04
CDs don't sell, nobody streams them, YouTube views are low, downloads don't sell, can't draw a crowd for live shows
Barely on TV, no commercials, no name recognition, no hit songs
26AnonymousSep 10, 2026 00:09
Re: #1
If we're talking about the conditions for being a genuinely successful idol group, they haven't met a single one
34AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:04
Saitama Super Arena can reconfigure its seating, so capacity ranges from under 20,000 up to a max of 35,000

They could just sell SSA tickets electronically without announcing which mode they're using (seat numbers sent out the day before the show),
and switch to stadium mode if sales are strong enough
35AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:11
No way Juice=Juice is pulling off Coachella lol
36AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:18
M!LK made it onto Kohaku with that kind of audience size, so it's doable
37AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:25
SSA is just big — K Arena is the real top tier
Ticket prices there run about ¥15,000 to ¥35,000
40AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:50
Re: #37
Size is justice
Bigger beats sound quality or sightlines every time
Audience numbers define an artist's status, so everyone wants to play the biggest venue they can
38AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:42
Morning Musume was on the decline and puffed themselves up by playing Yokohama Arena — basically pressuring their juniors with a "you get what I'm saying, right?" vibe
They can't fill a venue over 11,000 capacity anymore
39AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:44
Even SSA in arena mode was something °C-ute only managed for their breakup concert
SSA in stadium mode would probably need something on the scale of all of Hello! Project disbanding
41AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:52
To the old guy insisting °C-ute were big sellers — the general public barely noticed them
42AnonymousSep 10, 2026 02:58
PIA Arena MM is the worst
It's basically just a boxy four-story Budokan
The stage is farther away and harder to see than at Budokan
The only upside is that it's new and the bathrooms are clean
74AnonymousSep 10, 2026 03:08
Don't get your hopes up too much about Kohaku
I'm worried you guys will lose it if they don't get picked
77AnonymousSep 10, 2026 03:10
Re: #74
The fans probably see it as more of a "would be nice" thing
but I bet anti-fans posing as supporters will gleefully spam about it
75AnonymousSep 10, 2026 03:08
Nah, at this point if they're not picked it'll look like NHK completely failed to read the room
76AnonymousSep 10, 2026 03:09
There's still plenty ahead, like overseas festivals or commercials
Looking forward to it
111AnonymousSep 10, 2026 03:24
TV commercials matter a lot
And not just spot ads — a year-long contract with a major sponsor
At that level, the sponsor will even put its name on live shows
which would push even an agency reluctant about large-scale concerts to finally get moving

Background and Key Points of This Topic

Juice=Juice is an idol group under the Hello! Project umbrella. CD sales reaching “million-seller” status is no longer realistic in this era, with streaming and subscription playback counts now more commonly cited as the relevant metric — and comments like “million sellers just don’t happen anymore these days” stood out in the thread. On venue prestige, K Arena Yokohama, a new roughly 20,000-capacity venue, was presented as ranking above Yokohama Arena (about 17,000 capacity) and Nippon Budokan (about 14,000 capacity), both of which Hello! Project has traditionally used to confer status — making “size is justice” one of the thread’s central viewpoints. Meanwhile, one post included an image of a TVer show as evidence the group has already landed its own terrestrial TV program, creating a disconnect over whether one of the four listed conditions has in fact already been met. On the question of a Kohaku Uta Gassen appearance, some were optimistic, pointing to junior group M!LK’s appearance on Kohaku with a comparable audience draw and saying “it’s doable,” while others noted that expectations have risen to the point where NHK would look like it “failed to read the room” if the group isn’t selected. One point readers may easily misread is that these “tasks” aren’t official goals set by Hello! Project itself, but benchmarks that 5ch users devised on their own.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Juice=Juice’s only unaccomplished tasks are down to “Kohaku Uta Gassen,” “million-seller,” “a venue bigger than K Arena,” and “own terrestrial TV show” wwwwwwww.”

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