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A thread titled “The only tasks Juice=Juice haven’t accomplished are the Kohaku Uta Gassen, a million-seller, a venue bigger than K Arena, and their own terrestrial TV show” appeared on 5ch’s Hello! Project board. While many agreed that hitting a million in CD sales is now unrealistic, discussion shifted to venue prestige, with K Arena Yokohama introduced as “the top tier” — sparking a debate over the pecking order against Yokohama Arena and Budokan, venues Hello! Project has traditionally used to confer status. Then someone posted an image arguing the group has already landed its own terrestrial TV show via TVer, undercutting the very premise of the discussion.
What people said
K Arena → Kohaku → own show → Million seller
Yeah, true
Guess that makes it "Offshore = Company" then (riffing on the group's "X=X" naming format)
That one's on a completely different level
Way above, easily
K Arena holds 20,000 people
Honestly Budokan and Yokohama Arena aren't that different in size
Hello! Project just treats Yokohama Arena like some prestigious milestone though
Saitama Super Arena > K Arena > Yokohama Arena > Yoyogi > Budokan = PIA Arena MM
For live shows, it'd be more like pulling off three days at Tokyo Dome, or a dome tour hitting Tokyo/Osaka/Sapporo/Fukuoka
Feels like the industry is forcing the hype a little
That kind of push is necessary though
Up until now the media kept getting stuck promoting some baffling "KAWAII" gimmick or K-pop-style angle
so there's real relief that something normal has finally come along
K Arena's probably next
Arena tour
Dome tour
Coachella appearance
Grammy nomination
World tour
Yeah, that weird deification of Yokohama Arena never made much sense
You could cram the same crowd into Budokan and it'd barely be different
They were desperately trying to make Morning Musume and Angerme look more prestigious
It was a sad strategy from Hello! Project's less successful era
Going forward I want Juice=Juice to keep breaking new ground instead
https://image-cdn.tver.jp/images/content/thumbnail/episode/xlarge/eps387a516.jpg
Barely on TV, no commercials, no name recognition, no hit songs
If we're talking about the conditions for being a genuinely successful idol group, they haven't met a single one
They could just sell SSA tickets electronically without announcing which mode they're using (seat numbers sent out the day before the show),
and switch to stadium mode if sales are strong enough
Ticket prices there run about ¥15,000 to ¥35,000
Size is justice
Bigger beats sound quality or sightlines every time
Audience numbers define an artist's status, so everyone wants to play the biggest venue they can
They can't fill a venue over 11,000 capacity anymore
SSA in stadium mode would probably need something on the scale of all of Hello! Project disbanding
It's basically just a boxy four-story Budokan
The stage is farther away and harder to see than at Budokan
The only upside is that it's new and the bathrooms are clean
I'm worried you guys will lose it if they don't get picked
The fans probably see it as more of a "would be nice" thing
but I bet anti-fans posing as supporters will gleefully spam about it
Looking forward to it
And not just spot ads — a year-long contract with a major sponsor
At that level, the sponsor will even put its name on live shows
which would push even an agency reluctant about large-scale concerts to finally get moving
Background and Key Points of This Topic
Juice=Juice is an idol group under the Hello! Project umbrella. CD sales reaching “million-seller” status is no longer realistic in this era, with streaming and subscription playback counts now more commonly cited as the relevant metric — and comments like “million sellers just don’t happen anymore these days” stood out in the thread. On venue prestige, K Arena Yokohama, a new roughly 20,000-capacity venue, was presented as ranking above Yokohama Arena (about 17,000 capacity) and Nippon Budokan (about 14,000 capacity), both of which Hello! Project has traditionally used to confer status — making “size is justice” one of the thread’s central viewpoints. Meanwhile, one post included an image of a TVer show as evidence the group has already landed its own terrestrial TV program, creating a disconnect over whether one of the four listed conditions has in fact already been met. On the question of a Kohaku Uta Gassen appearance, some were optimistic, pointing to junior group M!LK’s appearance on Kohaku with a comparable audience draw and saying “it’s doable,” while others noted that expectations have risen to the point where NHK would look like it “failed to read the room” if the group isn’t selected. One point readers may easily misread is that these “tasks” aren’t official goals set by Hello! Project itself, but benchmarks that 5ch users devised on their own.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Juice=Juice’s only unaccomplished tasks are down to “Kohaku Uta Gassen,” “million-seller,” “a venue bigger than K Arena,” and “own terrestrial TV show” wwwwwwww.”
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