Category: Idols

  • Juice=Juice Gets Featured in a Business Book — 5ch Fans Are Split on What It Means

    Juice=Juice being featured in Yume Mochizuki’s new book “Idols as Business Literacy” (Diamond Inc.) has become a hot topic on 5ch’s Hello! Project board. Mochizuki — a former Dentsu Digital employee also known as founder of the idol unit “Natsumezaka” — has mostly built his analyses around Sakamichi-group idols and has rarely covered Hello! Project. On the thread, reactions to the book’s price and thickness, and to his breakdown of traits shared by flop songs like “Vanilla Vanilla,” mixed with suspicion about the author’s biased viewpoint and his motives for covering the group — delight and wariness voiced side by side.

    Yume Mochizuki

    “Idols as Business Literacy”

    Diamond Inc.

    Source: hanmoto.com / Original listing here

    2AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:21
    Juice is AMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZING
    3AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:21
    ・Still selling out: the "Bus Tour Full of Old Guys"
    4AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:23
    Pretty thick book for how cheap it is
    5AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:26
    Does "not cannibalizing" have something to do with a taste for human flesh?
    6AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:27
    Does "cannibalize" mean literally eating each other?
    7AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:27
    The Sakamichi groups totally cannibalize each other's fanbase though
    8AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:28
    Had the impression this guy stubbornly ignored Hello! Project and only covered borderline topics, but I guess he's finally started covering the ones that are "glowing" (slang for looking great/doing well)?
    9AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:30
    Check the table of contents — Hello! Project isn't even in there
    10AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:31
    Oh, it's coming out through Diamond Inc.?
    12AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:31
    This guy's the founder of the idol unit Natsumezaka, right? He was originally a Sakamichi-group devotee
    13AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:33
    Re: #1
    Yeah, exactly
    Offshore = Company, huh (riffing on the Juice=Juice naming pattern)
    15AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:35
    Who's Eguchi Manami?
    16AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:36
    So who's actually buying this thing?
    17AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:37
    This guy's no good — he writes articles by cherry-picking biased data to fit a conclusion he already decided on
    18AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:38
    Does anyone actually read
    this guy's stuff?
    22AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:49
    People who actually know Hello! Project already put out thick books —
    a Naoki Prize-winning author, and a writer who swept four awards in the UK
    28AnonymousOct 7, 2026 00:54
    Re: #22
    Who won four awards in the UK?
    23AnonymousOct 6, 2026 23:51
    The gist of it is basically "they just got lucky with the song gacha" (gacha = lottery/loot-box slang, i.e. a lucky hit)
    24AnonymousOct 7, 2026 00:18
    I can only assume he had AI write this
    26AnonymousOct 7, 2026 00:47
    Re: #24
    All of this guy's tweets read like that
    Nothing but irritating
    He only looks at numbers and strategy, so he only wants to talk about the big agencies — boring
    25AnonymousOct 7, 2026 00:34
    Trying to get otaku from every fandom corner to buy it, huh
    27AnonymousOct 7, 2026 00:51
    Didn't "Kizoku-san" put out a book too?
    29AnonymousOct 7, 2026 00:56
    This guy's an ex-Dentsu Digital employee, right? He's even contributed to Bessatsu Kadokawa SCENE17, which had Juice=Juice on the cover. He flat-out ignored them from his Dentsu days until now — what gives?! 😲💦
    43AnonymousOct 7, 2026 01:25
    Re: #29
    Guess once the numbers get big enough, he can't ignore them anymore
    30AnonymousOct 7, 2026 01:02
    He probably just likes Juice=Juice
    (I say that as a Hello! Project hater, but still)
    31AnonymousOct 7, 2026 01:04
    Don't tell me he's a new fan who got hooked by how great Manami looks?! ("盛れミ" — fan slang combining 盛れ/"looking great" with Eguchi Manami's name)
    50AnonymousOct 7, 2026 01:31
    ・"Vanilla Vanilla"… 6 Traits of Songs That Flop
    61AnonymousOct 7, 2026 01:44
    He's an idol-business analyst guy, so of course he's going to ignore idols who aren't making money

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Yume Mochizuki is known for discussing idols through a numbers-and-business lens, and given his background as founder of the idol unit “Natsumezaka” and former Dentsu Digital employee, the thread noted that his analyses have mostly centered on Sakamichi-group idols with little coverage of Hello! Project. Because of this, opinions on Juice=Juice’s inclusion this time split between those suspecting “their numbers finally grew too big to ignore” and those taking it more favorably as “they finally got recognized.” Speculation also surfaced that the coverage might be a “self-promotional buy-up” or that “AI wrote it,” but neither theory was based on an actual examination of the book’s contents, so readers should keep in mind these remain unsubstantiated guesses.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Juice=Juice Finally Makes It Into a Business Book.”

  • Hello! Project ‘DD’ fans can’t seem to get into Rosy Chronicle, and it’s got people talking

    On 5ch’s Hello! Project board, a thread posed the question “Why don’t Hello! Project DD fans (those who support every group equally) take any interest in Rosy Chronicle specifically?” and drew a flood of responses. Rosy Chronicle is positioned as Juice=Juice’s sister group, and the thread featured candid takes like “I’ve got favorite members, but I can’t support all of them,” along with wry jabs at Hello! Project’s internal hierarchy and revenue structure. Opinions on why interest just isn’t there split between those pointing to individual member popularity and those questioning the group’s overall momentum.

    1AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:43
    Even the agency's at a loss over this
    3AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:44
    Could you spare some interest for ANGERME too, please
    4AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:45
    Ocha Norma and BEYOOOOONDS were both basically just put together from leftover candidates, you know
    That's already different from even BEYOOOOONDS
    7AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:46
    Re: #4
    Even the original Morning Musume lineup was just made from the leftovers who failed their audition, you know
    5AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:45
    You don't have to be interested, honestly
    We'll dump the losses on you lot and the crappy agency and enjoy it all by ourselves, so just leave us alone
    6AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:45
    Same goes for Ocha Norma and Rozi (Rosy Chronicle), actually. My bad.
    8AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:47
    It's all thanks to everyone on the mothership (i.e. Juice=Juice)

    Rosy's having a blast on tour~ ⭐
    9AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:48
    The opening act slot at the top groups' big shows doesn't have to always go to Rosy
    Wouldn't hurt to let Ocha Norma have a turn once in a while
    10AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:48
    There's already ANGERME — the real deal that's genuinely stopped getting looked at by anyone at all
    11AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:50
    Rosy Chronicle and its fans, in unison:
    "Oi, Hello! Project — go earn us a bigger activity budget!"
    12AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:51
    Listen up! I'm a DD, but! I'm interested in every group! I've got favorite members in every single one!
    But! I can't do ALL of them! Three per group, max! Asking me to support every member is just asking too much!
    13AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:52
    We'll just let ourselves live off whatever you guys earn
    Go work yourselves like draft horses and bring home the money
    We can't turn a profit ourselves, after all
    15AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:53
    If it's Rosy Chronicle, it's gotta be Kamirena-chan first, obviously
    16AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:54
    If it's for Kamirena-chan, I don't mind being exploited a little
    17AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:54
    This past year proved that in the end it's the songs that matter, not one member standing out a bit more than the rest
    18AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:55
    Kamirena, Somantis, Shimahana, Honohono
    19AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:55
    No need for exploitation, don't worry
    We'll run on whatever Juice=Juice earns
    20AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:55
    Re: #1
    The creepy otaku guys reek so bad the female fans never come back
    33AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:01
    Re: #20
    My bad, genuinely sorry about that — the true, chosen female idol-otaku who actually fall down the Rosy Chronicle rabbit hole wouldn't whine like that anyway. Go cheer for Juice=Juice, climb to stardom alongside them, and hype up Hello! Project while you're at it. And flipping it around — you're still only playing halls? Hurry up and headline the Tokyo Dome already, then hand those hall shows over to Rosy Chronicle, sister group of the Juice=Juice that already sold out the Tokyo Dome
    21AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:57
    Ah, I've got one reason I'm not into them
    I'm just not that big on the gothic horror thing
    If they keep pushing hard with stuff like Hoshibe's "Misery" or "Najirare," I'm not gonna cheer them on
    24AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:58
    Re: #21
    Then don't, nobody's making you
    And quit posting about it already
    22AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:57
    Yoshida just keeps getting cuter and cuter
    39AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:03
    Re: #22
    I just don't get the appeal of that whole Yoshida Himeha / Yoshioka Riho type look
    41AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:04
    Re: #39
    That's just personal taste
    No harm either way
    23AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:58
    Yeah exactly, Rosy Chronicle is the one group that somehow just doesn't spark any interest
    35AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:02
    Unless the groups on top self-destruct, the pecking order below them isn't going to change
    37AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:03
    Re: #35
    It's fine, it's fine
    As long as Hello! Project as a whole is in the black, that's enough
    That crappy agency probably isn't even trying to make real money off Rosy anyway
    52AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:11
    Grow into a group that actually catches my interest, please
    53AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:12
    Re: #52
    There's a group called Juice=Juice — you'll probably get hooked, I recommend it
    56AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:15
    Ocha Norma's got a clear pillar in Yonemura
    But who's Rosy's?
    60AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:16
    Re: #56
    The looks: Uemura
    The vocals: Souma
    The hype woman: Shimakawa
    The weirdo: Onoda
    57AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:15
    Can't get interested in a single one of them
    59AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:15
    I'm interested, but it's not exactly kind to homebody fans (those who support from home rather than attending shows)…
    62AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:19
    Re: #59
    Why not start with Juice=Juice? They've got plenty of content for homebody fans too
    63AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:19
    They really ought to think about how to get people interested — they're the only one that hasn't gotten any traction
    64AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:21
    Re: #63
    No need for traction, we'll just live off Juice=Juice's earnings, it's fine

    Background and key points of this discussion

    “DD” is Hello! Project fan slang for the segment of fans who support every group equally without playing favorites. What became the thread’s focal point was a gap in enthusiasm — why even these DD fans seem to feel noticeably less drawn to Rosy Chronicle specifically. Posters pointed to structural factors tied to Hello! Project’s internal hierarchy and “oshi” (favorite-member) culture: the number of members worth rooting for, the strength of the songs, and the fact that opening-act slots at the top groups’ shows keep going to Rosy Chronicle. At the same time, some commenters cited individual popularity — such as being a fan of Kamirena-chan specifically — reviving a recurring Hello! Project debate: does a group’s pull come from its collective momentum, or from individual star power? This article keeps posts that wryly needle the group’s or agency’s management choices, while leaving out posts that are strongly disparaging toward real members or that make unsubstantiated claims, such as alleged backing by a religious organization.

    ※ This article is compiled from excerpts and summaries of the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Why don’t Hello! Project DD fans take any interest in Rosy Chronicle specifically?.”

  • Rina Kawaei’s “Some successful people are arrogant” comment sparks 5ch backlash: “If greetings got you famous, everyone would be famous”

    Former AKB48 member and actress Rina Kawaei (31) appeared on “Shabekuri 007,” aired on the 5th, where she talked about a past period when she considered quitting the entertainment industry. On the show, she revealed, “There are people who are hugely successful but have an arrogant attitude or don’t even greet people. Sometimes I wonder, why is this person so popular?” She also shared behind-the-scenes details of the audition for the heroine role in the NHK morning drama “Come Come Everybody,” which she finally landed on her sixth attempt. On 5ch’s Entertainment/Sports News+ board, the discussion started with speculation over who the remark was aimed at, and expanded into a broader debate about the relationship between popularity and attitude — with some pushing back, “If being polite and greeting people was all it took to be successful, everyone would be successful,” while others countered that “people become successful because of hidden effort and talent.”

    Rina Kawaei on the past when she considered leaving show business: “Why is this person…” — told her manager during the morning-drama audition, “If I don’t pass, I’m quitting”

    Actress Rina Kawaei appeared on Nippon TV’s “Shabekuri 007” (airing Mondays, 9:00–9:54 PM), aired on the 5th, where she revealed a past period when she considered quitting the entertainment industry.

    Kawaei, who played the heroine in NHK’s morning drama series “Come Come Everybody,” revealed it was her “sixth heroine audition,” having tried out for morning-drama heroine roles ever since her AKB48 days. When a message from the show’s executive producer was read aloud, explaining the reasoning — “When I saw Kawaei at the audition, I felt she was ready to commit fully to any role, in any situation. I felt I could trust her, both as a person and as an actress” — she listened with tears welling up in her eyes.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:48
    Because watching the Naoya Railways channel on YouTube is more fun than watching the Peace-kun mascot at Omiya Park.
    3AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:49
    Re: #1
    Like Nakai or Matsumoto?
    15AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:51
    I've literally never heard anyone ask "why is Kawaei so popular" about her, though.
    23AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:53
    Flip it around though —
    is this woman surviving purely on humility and greetings?
    No way, successful people are putting in effort behind the scenes too, plus they've got talent.
    24AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:53
    So basically, "anyone who doesn't come greet me, I'll freeze out"?
    Is that what she's saying?
    25AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:53
    If you're genuinely talented you don't need to suck up to anyone.
    If anything, sucking up to your clique to land TV spots is the shadier move.
    27AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:53
    The entertainment industry isn't exactly in the business of picking normal people to begin with 🤗
    28AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:53
    She's really held it together since the "saw" incident (nickname for a past scandal of hers).
    Takes real guts, honestly.
    29AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:53
    That kind of persona just gets used up and tossed aside.
    Is getting screen time really worth it either way?
    31AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:54
    It's gotta be one of these:
    powerful agency,
    solid ratings,
    or polite to the higher-ups.
    33AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:54
    She probably got successful, got arrogant, and stopped greeting people as a result.
    37AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:54
    Kawaei in "Boku-tachi ga Yarimashita" was seriously hot.
    38AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:55
    You guys are arrogant and you're not even successful.
    40AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:55
    Don't say stuff like this if you can't even say who you're talking about.
    55AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:57
    Re: #40
    She didn't mention age or gender, and this is vague enough to just be a general statement, so it's fine.

    It's not like she described someone so specifically that everyone would know exactly who it is while only leaving out the name.
    42AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:55
    This is the kind of line you hear a senpai use to bully a kouhai in dramas.
    43AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:55
    If greeting people made you successful,
    everyone would be successful.
    47AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:55
    From experience, I think people who air unprovable grievances like this behind someone's back are the ones with the worse personality.
    If it bothered her that much, she should've said something or pushed back in the moment — but usually people just fake-smile or sulk instead.
    Bottom line, more often than not the other person just didn't like you either.
    53AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:57
    Re: #47
    Honestly, this comment reeks of showbiz culture.
    The ones who badmouth people behind their backs are usually the worst offenders themselves.
    49AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:56
    Her grandfather's probably some powerful figure — that ceiling looked like something out of a castle.
    50AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:56
    Re: #1
    Even an arrogant person can be successful if viewers want to watch them, right?
    No idea if that applies to someone who actually pulls ratings, though.
    51AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:57
    > Rina Kawaei (31)
    First time I've ever heard that name in my life. Stop starting self-promo threads for celebrities.
    54AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:57
    Kawaei only got picked because she's with Avex (her talent agency).
    58AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:58
    Sounds like the people around her are probably saying "that's literally you" lol
    59AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:58
    "Successful people sometimes skip the greetings" — what a classic story, every single time.
    61AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:58
    She's got some nerve saying this when she's been called out for bad attitude herself.
    69AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:59
    Apparently on AKB's All Night Nippon radio show, everyone completely ignored the staff's greetings except Sashihara, who always greeted them properly. On variety shows too, when some no-name comedian named Morita was talking from the back row, she was the one who'd look him in the eye and nod along, apparently.
    She's smart. She should get more airtime on shows like Tokyo Himitsu Kichi.
    70AnonymousOct 6, 2026 19:59
    I heard Nakai was also notoriously moody and scary.
    There are plenty of people like that.
    75AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:00
    Re: #1 Wait — this is the girl in that photo saying that?!
    76AnonymousOct 6, 2026 20:00
    Of course you get cocky once you're successful, that's just how it goes.

    And then you regret it later.

    Background and talking points

    “Shabekuri 007” is a talk show that digs into celebrities’ pasts and behind-the-scenes stories, and during the broadcast Kawaei also revealed she auditioned six times before finally being cast as the heroine in “Come Come Everybody.” Since her comment about “arrogant big stars” didn’t name anyone specifically, most of the thread is really just speculation naming celebrities who’ve been called out for attitude in the past — worth remembering this isn’t confirmed. The debate splits between those arguing that “manners and talent are separate things” and those sharing personal anecdotes that “people’s attitudes change once they get successful,” though neither side actually proves how the industry really works.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Entertainment/Sports News+) thread “Former AKB48 member Rina Kawaei (31): “There are hugely successful people who are arrogant or don’t greet people. I wonder why this person is so popular”.”

  • Juice=Juice’s New Song Hits 7,911 TikTok Uses — but Is That Really a “Hit”?

    On the Hello! Project messageboard, the number of TikTok videos using Juice=Juice’s song “Kurakura☆Climax” became a hot topic. The figure cited was 7,911, beating out Morning Musume’s 1,369, BEYOOOOONDS’ 1,233, Tsubaki Factory’s 848, and Angerme’s 725. However, many pointed out that this pales next to the earlier buzz around “Moretara Kochira de” (aka “Moremi”), and the thread split over whether this really counts as a genuine "trend" at all.

    2AnonymousOct 6, 2026 13:56
    Even the members themselves have noticed "Kurakura" getting played more often lately
    3AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:03
    Re: #1
    Current TikTok usage counts for each Hello! Project group's push single:

    7,911 Juice=Juice


    1,369 Morning Musume.


    1,233 BEYOOOOONDS


    *,848 Tsubaki Factory


    *,725 Angerme
    17AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:14
    Re: #3
    So Tsubaki's gone up 60 in three days?
    4 Anonymous (default poster name) 2026/10/03 (Sat) 07:14:43.80 0
    787
    48AnonymousOct 6, 2026 15:00
    Re: #3
    The way these numbers are being counted doesn't seem to be a pure measure of actual song usage.
    To put it in extreme terms — if an account literally named "Kurakura☆Climax" uploaded 7,911 videos set to a completely different song, those would still get counted here.
    5AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:04


    Only a measly 7,900 uses
    Hello! Project "villagers" (slang for the fandom's insular bubble) really need to look outside once in a while
    9AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:07
    Re: #5
    Exactly this.
    Angerme and Musume's new songs are being used at like 10x that level.
    Juice fans need to look outside their bubble.
    11AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:09
    Re: #5
    Even within the Hello! Project bubble, that's bottom-tier.
    22AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:20
    Re: #5 Re: #1
    That's not good at all.
    Why are you lying about it?
    6AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:05
    "Look outside" nothing — given they're doing basically zero active promotion, this is actually decent.
    They're not pulling the technical tricks other agencies use, like getting influencers to post at the exact same day and time.
    10AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:07
    Re: #6
    If we're just saying "decent by Hello! Project standards," sure, fair enough.
    But the thread title said "trend," so I was just offering a sober correction.
    24AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:21
    Re: #6
    It's just "the one that comes after Moremi," that's all.
    12AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:10
    Re: #10
    Exactly.
    They're calling it a trend by comparing it to Moremi, but Moremi itself never actually trended either — it was just hype within the fan bubble.
    13AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:10
    Honestly, if Hello! Project starts pulling technical tricks beyond this,
    it'd get annoying. "At this level, please don't get too aggressive about it" is probably closer to how people really feel.
    14AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:11
    Like a Nikkei article mentioned, compared to other agencies Hello! Project basically does nothing on social media.
    On TikTok, their own-account video output is about 1/50th of Kawaii Lab's.
    15AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:13
    It's 1/200th.
    Last year they put in real effort on various fronts and got it up to 1/50th.
    16AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:13
    Re: #10
    I get it.
    Angerme and Musume's songs are the ones that are actually trending.
    18AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:14
    Harumi Ogata's new idol group is dancing to Kurakura too
    19AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:19
    Re: #17
    That's way too few.
    Calling this "almost going viral" is exactly why people mock it.
    45AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:54
    Re: #19
    When Moremi was "almost going viral," how many uses did it have one month after release?
    20AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:19
    Johnny's is the same way — given their scale and fandom size, their TikTok and Spotify presence is surprisingly weak.
    Since they were one of the last agencies to get on board, a fan-support culture that skips TikTok and streaming subscriptions is deeply ingrained.
    Changing that will probably take about two years.
    23AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:21
    Re: #20
    It's simply that there aren't many young fans.
    21AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:19
    People need to accept the reality that even Moremi only hit 60,000.
    25AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:21
    Re: #21
    Put another way — as long as you're in Hello! Project, you can be all over TV without needing to hit Kawaii Lab-level numbers; 60,000 is plenty. So Hello! Project members outside Juice=Juice should take heart and aim for 60,000 first.
    26AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:22
    Re: #22
    No one's lying.
    The "villagers" don't know what's outside, so they genuinely believe this counts as going viral.
    Don't bully grandpa too much.
    28AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:23
    Re: #26
    It's a group that originally wasn't even treated as having "human rights" (idol-fandom slang for being neglected by management), so I think it's fair to call a song they get to perform on TV a "viral hit."
    32AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:25
    Re: #26
    Exactly this.
    Morning Musume and Angerme's latest songs are used way more, but "Juice" (nicknamed "Shiru," meaning "juice/broth") fans only know their own little community.
    27AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:23
    When your favorite group drops a new song, fans usually jump straight into action to help it go viral, right?
    Liking, saving, and commenting are the three things essential for boosting engagement, and fandoms generally do all of that automatically en masse.
    But I don't think Johnny's or Hello! Project fans do any of that at all.
    50AnonymousOct 6, 2026 15:20
    Re: #27
    Johnny's fans definitely do that.
    They're constantly promoting in YouTube comments, and isn't the whole "you have to write view counts in symbols or you'll get flagged" thing a Johnny's-fan theory too?
    29AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:23
    A flop of a song.
    Plain garbage.
    31AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:25
    Re: #29
    Even if you insist "Ai = Un + En + On" is better than that garbage, "Ai = Un + En + On" is below garbage.
    47AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:59
    Re: #31
    "Ai = Un + En + On" was at least a small plus for Tsubaki, even if only slightly.
    Kurakura is a net negative — it's just not standing out because Moremi is overshadowing it.
    35AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:28
    If we're going there, "Glasses Boy" got used about 40,000 times, but UP-FRONT didn't move on it at all, and Roppongi didn't move either.
    40AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:33
    Re: #35
    BEYOOOOONDS can't help it — the members themselves have caught "artist syndrome" and don't want to do skits anymore.
    Also, "Toei" was being gently pushed at the time.
    37AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:30
    Even on this front, Juice is losing to Musume and Angerme.
    Where exactly is the viral hit here?
    41AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:36
    Even Bamiyan's had enough — they put up a "No Mononofu" sign (Mononofu = Momoiro Clover Z fan nickname), and even Lawson has half its profits eaten up by kwkm.
    42AnonymousOct 6, 2026 14:38
    Re: #41
    Wrong thread, my bad —
    turns out it was a Mononofu posting anti comments, caught red-handed.
    58AnonymousOct 6, 2026 15:27
    That's why I'm saying Kurakura is a good song.
    Only the highly skilled members of Juice can really pull it off,
    but because Moremi was just too amazing, it inevitably gets compared.
    61AnonymousOct 6, 2026 15:32
    Re: #58
    I'm not knocking personal taste, but no matter how much you insist it's good, I just can't see it that way.
    That's really all there is to it.
    The numbers don't lie either, that's all.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    The “TikTok usage count” cited in the thread measures how many videos used the same song — a different metric from view counts or actual virality. As >>48 points out, if an account named after the song itself posts a large volume of unrelated videos, the count can get inflated, so the figure needs to be read with caution. Also, as noted in >>14 and >>15, Hello! Project is said to post far fewer videos on its own social media accounts, including TikTok, than rival agencies — leading some to call this count “a solid showing given they’re doing almost nothing.” On the other hand, “Moretara Kochira de,” the comparison point raised in the thread, reportedly only reached around 60,000 uses at its peak, meaning Hello! Project’s overall social media footprint is relatively small within the industry — and that gap is at the heart of the disagreement over how to read today’s numbers.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Juice=Juice’s “Kurakura☆Climax” Is Apparently Blowing Up on TikTok Without Anyone Noticing lolololololol.”

  • Fuji TV Introduces Rosy Chronicle as ‘Juice=Juice’s Juniors’ — 5ch: ‘Sounds More Impressive Than Morning Musume’

    On a Fuji TV information program, the new Hello! Project group “Rosy Chronicle” was introduced as being ‘Juice=Juice’s juniors,’ sparking discussion on 5ch. The thread starter expressed surprise, saying they’d assumed the group would be introduced as ‘Morning Musume’s juniors’ instead. Posters debated whether Hello! Project’s ‘flagship’ position had shifted from Morning Musume to Juice=Juice, with some arguing that Morning Musume itself simply isn’t well known among the general public anymore. Since the segment was actually a feature on Yuka Sugai’s vocal training, some suggested the comparison point was naturally her own students, Juice=Juice and Rosy, rather than any deliberate snub.

    1AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:01
    tps://pbs.twimg.com/media/HTbT_NqbEAAGUUj.jpg:orig
    2AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:06
    I'm calling Fuji TV to complain
    The flagship is Morning Musume, dammit!
    28AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:34
    Re: #2
    That's just you being a complainer lol
    Nice try, hater trying to drag Morning Musume's reputation down
    4AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:08
    I don't think this was Fuji TV staff's own call — it's probably straight from materials Up-Front (the talent agency) submitted
    That's actually worse news for Morning Musume if true
    5AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:08
    'Morning Musume's juniors' — that's basically a flop label right out of the gate
    6AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:12
    Wait, Morning Musume hasn't even disbanded yet?
    7AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:13
    Didn't Juice=Juice introduce themselves early on as 'a Hello! Project group with senior member Momochi (nickname for Momoko Tsugunaga)'?
    9AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:18
    This is from last week's 'Nonstop', right?
    It's a segment only viewable in the Tokyo metro area
    Regional stations only air the first hour before switching to their own locally produced programming
    It's the corner that runs Tokyo-area-only after the regional stations cut away
    12AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:21
    Well, of course regular people don't know Morning Musume anymore
    14AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:24
    Re: #12
    What regular people don't know is that Morning Musume is still active
    The fact that it existed back in the day is actually pretty well known
    13AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:21
    What would even change if they emphasized that?
    The fact that it was introduced this way doesn't disappear
    15AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:24
    Morning Musume is the only one still tied to Tsunku♂, the others aren't
    It'd actually be more accurate to call them juniors of ANGERME, which is Juice=Juice's real senior group
    16AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:26
    In the public's eyes, it's a group that's already finished
    17AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:26
    Even if Juice=Juice weren't popular, I don't think they'd be called 'Morning Musume's juniors' anyway
    They'd just be called 'a Hello! Project group'
    18AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:28
    'Morning Musume's juniors' → meh… kind of underwhelming…
    'Juice=Juice's juniors' → wait, juniors of the hottest-selling idol group right now!?
    19AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:28
    People who only vaguely know Hello! Project probably still think Tsunku produces everything in it
    24AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:31
    Re: #19
    They might even think Moremi was written and composed by Tsunku♂
    20AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:29
    Rosy Chronicle also appeared in Juice=Juice's 'Triangle Groove 2', so they're entitled to call themselves little sisters
    21AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:30
    So the Morning Musume name itself has basically become a negative image now, huh
    Well, with that many former members causing scandals, that tracks
    22AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:30
    'Morning Musume's juniors' → huh…
    'Juice=Juice's juniors' → ooh, sounds impressive!

    Can't really blame them
    23AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:31
    It'd be weird to explain nobody's-heard-of-them Rosy by name-dropping another group nobody's heard of — 2026-era Morning Musume
    25AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:31
    Re: #1
    This is from last week's 'Nonstop', right?
    It was a feature on Yuka Sugai's vocal training, so of course her own students Juice=Juice and Rosy would be the reference point
    27AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:32
    Re: #25
    But current Morning Musume has a few 'Sugai children' (members she's personally coached) too, doesn't it?
    26AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:31
    Juice=Juice faction: 'Jitsubioro'

    Morning Musume faction: 'Moa'
    30AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:34
    Does anyone have the video? It's not even up on the usual upload sites
    31AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:38
    If Oda leaves after this, it'll seriously drop to the weakest group in Hello! Project, no joke
    34AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:43
    At least back in the 'Drama Budokan' era,
    they had Mari Yaguchi — right after her scandal — sit down with Taniguchi to push the 'Morning Musume juniors' angle,
    and even had the five members dance to 'LOVE Machine' during the drama to hammer home that same juniors image.
    It's kind of moving that the same group is now ranked above Morning Musume
    35AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:43
    Just like how the Imperial Navy's flagship went from the battleship Nagato to the Yamato,
    Hello! Project's flagship went from Morning Musume to Juice=Juice
    36AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:47
    This is the agency's punishment on Morning Musume otaku (obsessive fans) who spent all their time slandering the group and bashing the agency
    37AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:47
    Why weren't BEYOOOOONDS or Tsubaki Factory (lit. 'tea') introduced as Kamiko's juniors?
    39AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:49
    40AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:51
    For some reason this particular episode never got uploaded online
    41AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:51
    The Rosy members themselves are probably happier being called Juice=Juice's juniors anyway
    44AnonymousOct 6, 2026 08:57
    This show's aimed at housewives, right?
    So I guess the housewife demographic that still knows Morning Musume just doesn't exist anymore
    47AnonymousOct 6, 2026 09:01
    Re: #44
    Housewives in their early 30s would've grown up watching Mini Moni (a Morning Musume spin-off unit)
    48AnonymousOct 6, 2026 09:02
    They should push the 'Juice=Juice juniors' angle even harder
    That's the only way they're ever going to actually sell
    50AnonymousOct 6, 2026 09:04
    Re: #48
    I've barely ever seen them interact with the Juice=Juice members though
    53AnonymousOct 6, 2026 09:05
    Isn't Tsubaki Factory already Juice=Juice's official little-sister group?
    56AnonymousOct 6, 2026 09:10
    Re: #53
    Rosy Chronicle, who did backup dancing in Triangle Groove 2, are the little sisters

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Within Hello! Project, Morning Musume — formed in 1997 — has long held the “flagship” position, but posters on the thread pointed out that in terms of current general name recognition and sales, Juice=Juice arguably holds that edge today. The debate centered on whether this framing came from Fuji TV’s own editorial choice or from materials submitted by the talent agency Up-Front — if the latter, it would carry far more symbolic weight. Since the segment was actually a feature on Yuka Sugai’s vocal training, some noted that pairing her own students, Juice=Juice and Rosy Chronicle, together was simply contextual rather than a deliberate snub of Morning Musume. Morning Musume itself has not disbanded and remains active, but the episode was also read by some as a sign of just how much its name recognition has faded among the general public.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “[Image] Fuji TV: ‘Rosy Chronicle are Juice=Juice’s juniors’ — Wait, isn’t this usually where they’d use the name ‘Morning Musume’?“.

  • Announcer Rio Kitagawa to Host Show With Kanjani∞ Members — 5ch: “From Morning Musume’s Ace to TV Tokyo’s Ace”

    TV Tokyo announcer Rio Kitagawa has been tapped to host a program featuring Kanjani∞ members Shingo Murakami, Shota Yasuda, and Ryuhei Maruyama, former AKB48 member Haruka Shimazaki, and Kis-My-Ft2’s Wataru Yokoo — a casting choice that became a hot topic on 5ch’s “Hello! Project” board. Kitagawa, a former Morning Musume member, is in her first year at the network, and many praised the fact that she’d already landed a Johnny’s prime-time show as “amazing.” Others, however, questioned her actual role, arguing “she’s not really the MC to begin with,” leading to a split in opinion over her true position on the show.

    1AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:12
    Rio Kitagawa, nailing it.
    Went from being Morning Musume's ace to being TV Tokyo's ace.
    3AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:14
    Kanjani∞ and Kis-My-Ft2 are already on board,
    so Hey! Say! JUMP is probably next.
    Going by the order, JUMP's turn is coming up.
    8AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:17
    TV Tokyo has a lot of female announcers who take summer vacation and get stand-ins, even though they're not even regulars on a daily show.
    9AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:18
    Kanjani8
    Kis-My-Ft2
    AKB48
    — every generation in the country knows these, they're all genuinely national idol groups.
    13AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:19
    True that.
    Announcer Rio Kitagawa has a ton of unbelievable material to work with.
    She can hold her own against Kanjani∞, Kis-My-Ft2, and AKB48.
    15AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:19
    It's also a crossover of
    Kanjani∞,
    Kis-My-Ft2,
    AKB48,
    and Morning Musume.
    17AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:20
    Kanjani∞ has actually been pretty kind to Morning Musume over the years, they've appeared together a lot.
    20AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:22
    How long are you gonna keep bringing up Ryosuke Yamada?
    You'd already switched your favorite to BE:FIRST ages ago, right?
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:23
    Re: #20
    It's not switching — it's adding. I've just got more favorites now ("oshi-mashi," as opposed to fully switching).
    27AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:26
    Is there any announcer at another network who could host a prime-time Johnny's show in her first year on the job?
    62AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:40
    Re: #27
    The national key stations have their own flagship shows with Snow Man or SixTONES lol
    TV Tokyo getting excited over some middle-aged Johnny's guys is just lame lol
    67AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:42
    Re: #27
    Kitagawa isn't even the show's MC to begin with?
    Are you fans seriously that clueless about how the industry works?
    Even a middle schooler could figure that out.
    35AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:29
    Apparently TV Tokyo is short-staffed, so work comes around to people faster there.
    39AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:31
    Re: #35
    Oh wow! Lucky break for announcer Rio then.
    41AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:32
    Kanjam used to favor Morning Musume and Hello! Project, didn't it
    it was a good show.
    76AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:46
    Re: #41
    Just because they featured Hello! Project, is that really favoritism?
    They cover all kinds of acts
    including universally popular ones everyone agrees are big hits.
    54AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:37
    Say what you want, but Rio Kitagawa
    is doing the most right now to get the Morning Musume name out there to the public.
    Maria Makino might be next.
    60AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:40
    Re: #54
    Once you notice things like that,

    you'll understand firsthand the kind of structure a group has when its former members are scattered all over the entertainment industry.
    64AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:41
    Being a female announcer gives you way more chances to meet celebrities, athletes, and entrepreneurs than being an idol does, so you've got your pick when it comes to marriage partners.
    71AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:43
    I wasn't around back then — what was Konno like when she was a rookie?
    81AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:48
    Re: #71
    She debuted in July and immediately started a late-night daily show with another rookie from her class.
    From October she was a sub-caster on the evening sports news and did hands-on, throw-yourself-into-it segments on the show.
    She'd wanted to do sports, and things went smoothly for her through about her first or second year.
    80AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:47
    This show seems like the kind that would out Kitagawa's past as a Morning Musume member.
    There's usually a segment where every guest shares a personal story totally unrelated to the VTR clip, so the flow will probably land on Kitagawa too.
    85AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:50
    Re: #80
    She's not exactly hiding it anyway.
    90AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:53
    Wanting to do news reporting but getting stuck doing variety shows instead — that's not what she signed up for.
    95AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:58
    Re: #90
    That's just how TV Tokyo is.
    Even after years on the job, announcers there don't look much different from when they were rookies.
    93AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:56
    On this show Haruka Shimazaki is the star — Kitagawa doesn't need to push herself into the spotlight.
    94AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:57
    Re: #93
    Must be tough to admit, huh~ lol
    103AnonymousOct 5, 2026 22:00
    Hope she makes it onto a favorite-announcers ranking someday.
    105AnonymousOct 5, 2026 22:02
    Re: #103
    That's impossible unless you're already an announcer who appears on Lavit! (a popular TV Asahi variety show).
    110AnonymousOct 5, 2026 22:03
    Re: #103
    Kitagawa?
    That's a dream harder to pull off than winning the lottery.

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Rio Kitagawa is a former member of Morning Musume now said to be in her first year as a TV Tokyo announcer. In the thread, some pointed to the network’s internal situation — “TV Tokyo is short-staffed, so even rookies get handed work” — as the backdrop for why a new announcer would be cast in daily programs and specials so early on. At the same time, posters were divided over whether Kitagawa is the show’s official host or just one of its cast members, so her actual title should be taken with some caution. There was also a post noting that former Morning Musume member Asami Konno served as a sub-caster on sports news right after her debut, cited as an example of the pattern of former idols being given important roles at TV Tokyo.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Announcer Rio Kitagawa is amazing! Hosting a show with Kanjani∞’s Murakami, Yasuda, and Maruyama, AKB48’s Haruka Shimazaki, and Kis-My-Ft2’s Wataru Yokoo.”

  • Blog Update Gap Between Juice=Juice and Tsubaki Factory Sparks 5ch Debate: ‘Liars Use Numbers’

    Among Hello! Project groups Juice=Juice and Tsubaki Factory, the number of times members updated their official blogs in September became a hot topic on 5ch. Specific figures like “Ebata: 28, Hayashi: 29” set the thread off — some posters sniped, “And people still want them headlining Budokan after this?” while others pushed back with “Tsubaki Factory doesn’t get announcements or hint-dropping gigs, so there’s nothing to blog about.” Opinion split between those who read the gap as a difference in personal motivation and those who saw it as a structural issue of workload and treatment, and the back half of the thread spiraled into comparing Instagram follower counts.

    1AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:15
    September blog updates
    Ebata: 28
    Hayashi: 29
    4AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:17
    And people still want them headlining Budokan after this, huh
    5AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:18
    Busy doing what, I wonder (smug, sleazy grin)
    6AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:18
    Tsubaki Factory doesn't get announcements or hint-dropping gigs, so there's nothing to blog about
    9AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:19
    When you think everyone's watching, you get motivated —
    when you think no one is, you lose the will to write
    10AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:20
    Only the Juice=Juice members have it figured out —
    every single one of them knows exactly what it takes to make it big
    11AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:20
    Numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers
    12AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:20
    What's really bad about Yokaze Nishimura isn't the update count —
    it's that she doesn't even post on event or live-show days
    16AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:22
    The only one low on the Juice=Juice side is probably Yafuzo
    17AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:22
    'Juicy Talk' isn't getting any buzz at all, so are they just bashing Tsubaki to blow off steam?
    18AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:22
    Yokaze's on another level of low —
    if she's got no motivation, just quit
    19AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:22
    Tamenaga's the sub-leader, so her sin is even worse
    20AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:23
    Yokaze's makeup takes her 4 hours
    24AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:24
    Re: #20
    What, is she Seikima-II or something? (legendary metal band famous for never once missing a show)
    21AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:23
    Hope we get a Kasai-as-leader setup soon
    22AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:23
    Angerme fans < 'blogging's part of the job too' (a stock excuse Angerme fans lean on)
    26AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:24
    Re: #22
    No way an Angerme fan would say that — the ones saying it are just bragging about their own blog update counts
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:24
    Yokaze had a mini viral moment on Insta, so she's probably getting even more full of herself
    25AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:24
    Yokaze's makeup is basically intricate fine art, so of course it wears her nerves thin and eats up her time — no wonder she's got none left to spend on blogging
    27AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:26
    Juice=Juice has a ton of at-home content, so easing off on social media isn't really a problem, but if Tsubaki Factory stops posting there's nothing left, right?
    Their fall tour's over, so they don't even have regular events anymore.
    What are Yokaze's stay-at-home fans even enjoying at this point?
    34AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:29
    Re: #27
    Stay-at-home fans have no real value anyway, so no content is no problem
    28AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:26
    Juice=Juice members actually keep up with their blogs properly, so no excuses accepted
    29AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:27
    The only groups with low blog update counts are Angerme and Tsubaki, and they're also the only ones (plus Rosy) struggling to draw crowds
    31AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:28
    Juice=Juice has endless material for their blogs, but Tsubaki… well
    40AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:31
    If the leader updates too much, it suffocates the younger members —
    a good leader doesn't block her members' escape routes

    Dambara: 30
    Tanimoto: 9
    45AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:33
    Re: #40
    Without knowing other groups' numbers, you can't tell if Tanimoto's trash or Dambara's just amazing
    47AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:34
    Re: #40
    Nishimura's clearly taking notes from her
    41AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:32
    Ono-Onoda's blog update rate is insane —
    I don't even remember her taking a day off
    51AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:36
    Why would you leave out the undisputed champion Akiyama?
    55AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:39
    Re: #51
    Apparently she's updating Instagram like crazy —
    that's why she's not getting bashed
    61AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:42
    Re: #55
    She's still getting bashed though lol
    58AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:41
    It's simple, really —

    sell well, motivation goes up

    don't sell, motivation goes down
    65AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:44
    Re: #58
    There are 'Wolf board' regulars (posters from a rival idol-fan forum) who seem proud their favorite group outsells Juice=Juice in CDs — is that actually true or just bluster?
    71AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:49
    Instagram follower counts

    Juice=Juice
    Dambara: 131,000
    Inoue: 165,000
    Kudo: 62,000
    Matsunaga: 57,000
    Arisawa: 41,000
    Irie: 53,000
    Ebata: 114,000
    Ishiyama: 58,000
    Endo: 49,000
    Kawashima: 94,000

    Tsubaki Factory
    Tanimoto 60,000
    Ono 38,000
    Onoda 41,000
    Akiyama 33,000
    Kasai 44,000
    Fukuda 38,000
    Yokaze 21,000
    76AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:53
    Re: #71
    Back in their trainee days, Yokaze was way more popular than anyone else — quite the gap that's opened up since
    72AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:50
    If the pay's different, fine, I get it —
    but then don't demand the same workload
    73AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:52
    Re: #72
    Juice=Juice was like this even before they made it big
    81AnonymousOct 5, 2026 18:56
    Angerme's worse than Tsubaki, honestly —
    they get preferential venue treatment and still don't even try, just keep bleeding money

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Official blogs for Hello! Project groups are a key channel for members to share personal updates and glimpses of their work, and update frequency often gets read by fans as a gauge of popularity or motivation. This time, specific September update counts (Ebata with 28, Hayashi with 29, and so on) sparked the debate, with views split between tying the gap to personal motivation or to differences in agency treatment, versus a structural explanation — that Tsubaki Factory simply has less promotional material to blog about in the first place. The Instagram follower comparisons raised later in the thread were also cited as a popularity gauge, but follower counts don’t necessarily track directly with real popularity or sales, so these social-media metrics should be read with some caution. Note that posts amounting to unfounded personal attacks on specific members have been excluded from this article.

    ※This article is adapted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Shocking Blog Update Numbers 【Juice=Juice】【Tsubaki Factory】.”

  • Idol Gets Shocked After Touching Electric Fence — 5ch: ‘Kids Get Zapped by These All the Time in the Countryside’

    In a video posted to the official X account of five-member idol group “ENKA GIRLS REVOLUTION” on October 2, 2026, member Mai Suzuha was seen touching an electric fence meant to ward off wild animals and getting shocked. The incident sparked concern among fans. On 5ch, opinions split between those who said “that’s just a normal, laughable thing in the countryside” and those who warned “electric fences have caused fatal accidents before, so this shouldn’t be brushed off.” As the thread went on, the conversation branched into reminiscing about pro wrestling’s electrified barbed-wire death matches and past on-air accidents.

    The official X account of five-member idol group “ENKA GIRLS REVOLUTION” posted a video on October 2, 2026, showing member Mai Suzuha accidentally touching an electric fence used for pest control. The clip has drawn concerned reactions.

    Source: news.livedoor.com / Original article here

    2AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:25
    Wasn't there a case somewhere of someone dying from a homemade electric fence?
    3AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:26
    This is nothing but a joke, right? (lol)
    4AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:26
    Too many threads about people nobody's ever heard of.
    I'd like to see some normal entertainment news too.
    6AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:26
    This one's on Onita (pro wrestler Atsushi Onita, famous for electrified barbed-wire matches).
    7AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:28
    These things are everywhere once you go out to the countryside — there's no way they're actually dangerous.
    8AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:28
    I heard boar-deterrent electric fences run on 400V AC — was this one lower voltage than that?
    71AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:56
    Re: #8
    Even if the voltage is high, if the current is low it's fine
    So looking at voltage alone doesn't tell you much
    12AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:29
    No barbed wire, no explosions, so we're safe (´・ω・`)
    32AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:38
    Re: #6Re: #12
    When Onita challenged him to an electrified deathmatch, Inoki played dumb and dodged it, saying 'electricity's good for stiff shoulders.'
    13AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:31
    If this thing isn't even clearly marked so people can tell it's there, that'd be a real problem.
    15AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:31
    That's AI-generated, lol

    The wire on an electric fence needs to maintain at least 5,000V (minimum 3,000-4,000V) so animals properly learn to associate it with pain.
    Voltage basics
    • Output voltage: The unit's max output is typically a high 6,000V-10,000V.
    • Safety: As explained in Kyowa Techno's electric fence safety guide, because the current comes as a split-second pulse (a few thousandths of a second), it's designed to deliver an extremely low amount of electricity that poses no risk to human or animal life.
    17AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:32
    There's zero danger, lol
    It's honestly just funny
    Out in the countryside, kids get zapped by these all the time
    20AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:33
    You're overreacting.
    Do you think an electric fence hits like a stun gun? It's not nearly that strong.
    22AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:34
    People tend to underestimate electric shocks, huh.
    35AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:39
    Re: #22
    Licking a 9V battery gives you that tingly, tasty feeling
    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61hWh8vxxyL.jpg
    28AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:36
    Electric fences only deliver pulsed current, so it just stings a little
    No matter how high the voltage, the actual power involved is tiny
    This is ridiculous
    29AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:37
    A few years back there was a case where someone wired a deer fence straight into household power
    A parent and child who'd come to play in the river got electrocuted by a wire dangling into the water and both died
    The old man who'd set up the fence later killed himself too
    37AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:39
    Re: #29
    You can't hook these up to household power, that's just not okay
    58AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:47
    Re: #29
    I heard the kid who was hurt in that got severe burns on their fingers that ended up severed
    44AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:42
    There was that old on-air incident, maybe on Zoom In or some live broadcast, where the interviewer got shocked by a car door
    45AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:42
    Wasn't there a guy who set up an electric fence just to protect some hydrangeas?
    46AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:42
    As long as you don't grab onto an electric fence and hold on, you're probably fine
    47AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:43
    It's probably about as much of a jolt as pulling off a wool sweater.
    49AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:44
    The deer-and-boar kind is really no big deal, lol

    Still
    Makes you wonder what happened to their safety checks, lol lol lol
    50AnonymousOct 5, 2026 17:45
    Eh, no harm done I guess — though it probably was a hassle for the people around her and the doctor.

    Background and Key Points of Debate

    Electric fences used for pest control apply voltage in the thousands of volts to teach animals to associate them with pain, but the actual current only flows in a split-second pulse, so the amount of electricity involved is designed to be small. The thread included a technical note pointing out that “even if the voltage is high, the danger is low if the current is low,” showing that judging risk by voltage alone is a common misunderstanding. At the same time, users shared past cases where fences were illegally modified — wired directly into household power without authorization — that did result in fatal accidents, a point easy to overlook since safety depends heavily on whether proper, certified equipment is used. The thread split between those who saw this as “just an everyday, laughable thing in the countryside” and those who argued “past fatal accidents mean this shouldn’t be dismissed so lightly,” reflecting differing views on how far the risks of electric fences can be generalized.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Entertainment] Idol Touches Electric Fence, Gets ‘Shocked’ — ‘Isn’t This Dangerous?’ / ‘This Is No Laughing Matter’.”

  • Fans Clash Over Mystery ‘Hai-se-no!’ Call at Rosy Chronicle Shows

    At live shows for the Hello! Project group Rosy Chronicle, a male fan has reportedly been spotted shouting a unique call of his own — “Hai-se-no!” — in place of the usual standard calls. According to a report on 5ch’s Hello! Project board, other fans nearby directly confronted him, telling him to “never say that again,” and a thread was started about it. The discussion went beyond whether his behavior was right or wrong, growing into a bigger debate about just how far fan-cheering traditions like MIX chants and calls should continue at shows today.

    1AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:14
    @
    That 'Hai-se-no' yokai that started showing up at Shiodome yesterday (?) was back again today.
    For some reason he skipped it during "Naji Ai" (a song nickname) and busted it out during some other song instead…
    3AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:17
    The only song where 'se-no' gets a pass is Lalapipi.
    43AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:56
    Re: #3
    Let "Hai-se-no!" slide for the Ocha no Kitty-chan song too.
    8AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:19
    People who shout 'hai-se-no' are just nuisance otaku, plain and simple.
    9AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:19
    If you told the guys doing the 'oi-oi' call "You're loud! It's grating!" would they actually stop?
    If not, you've got no right to lecture anyone else.
    21AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:31
    Re: #9
    The sheer numbers are different though.
    26AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:45
    Good thing he's not some geezer who gets defensive and snaps back with stuff like Re: #9.
    12AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:27
    When there's a window to do MIX I get the urge to join in, but I hold back.
    14AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:28
    They should just set official calls and ban everything else.
    It's not like the old days when creative cheering culture used to spring up on its own.
    16AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:29
    Plenty of newcomers dislike calls altogether anyway.
    Stuff like 'oi-oi,' 'fu-fu,' or just shouting names is plenty.
    17AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:29
    Maybe it's time to drop the fantasy that you're somehow special and just admit you're otaku for an underground idol group that shows up at underground idol festivals too. Of course MIX and 'hai-se-no' are going to happen at this point.
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:39
    The real problem with this 'hai-se-no' thing is
    it's seriously just one guy saying it.
    24AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:40
    I'm curious which song he actually said 'hai-se-no' during.
    25AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:43
    Rena-chan's cute, super cute ×5!
    Go Rena-chan, nail that quiet breakdown chorus!!
    27AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:46
    Groups should never have their own complicated, group-specific calls.
    And it's even worse when the idols themselves start lecturing fans with "here's how you say it here."
    'Hai-se-no' and MIX are the best kind of culture precisely because even first-timers can join in and everyone feels united.
    '8bit' is basically a song written for 'hai-se-no' and MIX.
    I don't know what song they played at Shiodome, but I feel bad for Grandpa Hai-se-no.
    28AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:48
    Hardly anyone in Hello! Project even does that anymore, and you're calling it unity…?
    31AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:50
    'Hai-se-no'? 'Hai-se-no'?
    57AnonymousOct 5, 2026 11:06
    Re: #31
    You can hear "Hai-se-no!" at the start of Angerme's "Tsugi Tsugi Zokuzoku."
    32AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:51
    Old man! I'll back you up starting next time!
    44AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:57
    Re: #32
    From home? lol
    41AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:55
    'Ieeettaigaaa'
    So that one's fine then?
    46AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:57
    Re: #41
    That's basically MIX though.
    Stuff like the 'ja-ja' call is just a self-indulgent wank-off call.
    47AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:57
    It'd be fine if guys just shouted 'Woo!' in a normal voice, but there are way too many old guys doing it in a creepy, gross voice.
    52AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:59
    Re: #47
    That's why I keep saying Rosy should switch to 'Yaaa!'
    54AnonymousOct 5, 2026 11:03
    I want Rosy's shows to be clean — no 'hai-se-no,' no 'ore no,' no 'chou zekkou kawaii' nonsense.
    It's exactly because this is such an important stage in their career that I want to keep it clean and treat it with care.
    Isn't that how everyone feels?
    Or does everyone actually welcome it turning into an underground-idol-style scene?
    56AnonymousOct 5, 2026 11:06
    Re: #54
    They don't even give us the kind of fan interaction underground idols do, so no, I don't welcome it.
    Otaku making noise instead of actually watching the idols isn't a 'culture' — I hate it.
    59AnonymousOct 5, 2026 11:07
    Are Rosy fans actually vicious?
    I always figured they were just a bunch of DDs (fans who like lots of idols rather than being loyal to one).
    61AnonymousOct 5, 2026 11:08
    Re: #59
    The most militant fanbase in all of Hello! Project.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    MIX chants and calls are a fan-cheering tradition that took root at idol shows well beyond Hello! Project, developing over time as rhythmic accompaniment to songs. In recent years, however, there’s been a growing push to keep shows welcoming to first-time attendees, and that has made many fans less tolerant of calls and MIX chants with a strong, group-specific flavor. What made this case stand out is that ‘hai-se-no’ isn’t an official call or a widely established chant — it was reportedly being repeated by just one specific person. In the thread, opinions clashed head-on between those who feel calling culture itself should be protected and those who see it as a nuisance that alienates first-time fans, with no resolution in sight. It’s also worth noting that details like exactly which songs the call was used during were never confirmed within the thread — this whole debate stems from a single on-site sighting.

    *This article is compiled as excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Fans Lose It at the ‘Hai-se-no Old Man’ Who Started Showing Up at Rosy Chronicle Shows and Lecture Him to Never Say It Again lmaooo.”

  • Shin Sakagami’s “Why Can’t Idols Get Married?” Remark Sparks Debate

    Actor Shin Sakagami’s remarks on the October 5 broadcast of Kansai TV/Fuji TV’s “Shunkan LIVE Toretate!” sparked discussion on 5ch after he questioned idol marriage bans, asking “Why can’t idols get married?” and “If you want to be a top idol, do you have to give up your human rights?” Most posts in the thread pointed out that marriage isn’t actually banned — it’s just that idols who marry tend to lose popularity — while others noted that pro athletes also face activity restrictions depending on their sport, arguing that “occupational restrictions aren’t unique to idols.” Still, some posts turned the question back on the idol business model itself, splitting the debate between “outright prohibition” and “commercial risk.”

    Shin Sakagami: “Why can’t idols get married?” “If you want to be a top idol, do you have to give up your human rights?”

    Actor and TV personality Shin Sakagami appears on today’s (the 5th) broadcast of Kansai TV/Fuji TV’s “Shunkan LIVE Toretate!” (weekdays, 1:50 PM).

    The “No Holding Back! Sakagami & Tetsuo’s News Cut-Through” segment with journalist Tetsuo Suzuki airs for the first time in about a month.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:31
    It's not that it's forbidden — fans just switch to someone else.
    3AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:32
    It's because that's what they're selling.
    If you're fine with losing popularity, go ahead and get married.
    Nobody said it's forbidden.
    4AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:32
    It's not forbidden.
    You just lose popularity — if you still want to keep going after that, go for it.
    5AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:32
    They're saying you can do whatever you want as long as you don't get caught.
    6AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:32
    For idols and (female) voice actors, marriage is the end.
    If you want a long career, aim to become an actress instead.
    9AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:32
    "Do you have to give up your human rights?"
    ↑
    Yeah, pretty much?
    If you don't like it, just don't become an idol.
    Nobody's forcing you.
    10AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:33
    Marriage itself is fine.
    The problem is just not retiring gracefully after marriage, without cheating around or committing crimes.
    11AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:33
    Popularity drops once you get married — I can only think of about three celebrities whose popularity didn't really take a hit after marrying.
    17AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:34
    Idols are essentially products, so restrictions naturally arise in a popularity-based business.
    He's been in showbiz for decades — how does he not get that?
    70AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:40
    Re: #17
    Right, lol — they can't even write their own songs.
    They're just a manufactured image for the adults behind the scenes to cash in on.
    Once the devoted fans who were fooled snap back to reality after a dating scandal, the business is dead in the water.
    18AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:34
    Being an idol is
    a system for making easy money.
    Nobody's forcing anyone.
    Whoever wants to do it just does it on their own.

    ↑
    Why make a stupid fuss about "human rights"?
    If you don't like it, quit.
    If you don't want to earn money, quit.
    19AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:34
    If you're confident you can still sell with that, do whatever you want.
    21AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:35
    Getting married is fine, but fans walking away because of it is also the fans' free choice.
    22AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:35
    A new genre: the "married idol"
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:35
    They're basically like monks in training. You can't be a revered figure while living like an ordinary person of this world.
    24AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:35
    Well, it's a business built on fantasy romance, isn't it.
    25AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:35
    What exactly does "human rights" mean here?

    Pro athletes can't freely enjoy things like skiing either —
    are they being forced to give up their human rights too?
    26AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    That's just the risk that comes with chasing the rewards.
    27AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    Idols are meant to "graduate" eventually (the idol-world term for retiring/moving on).
    28AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    Rena Yamazaki is impressive.

    She announced she's pregnant but apparently isn't married.
    29AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    This guy hosts a show about rescue animals,
    but has he lost all motivation?
    There's no more location shooting, just lazy chit-chat the whole time now.
    32AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    Once a revered idol gets married, they suddenly become uncomfortably real.
    33AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    Then why hide the relationship? Because that's the sales pitch they're using.

    Fans drawn in by fauxmance marketing are bound to leave over romance scandals.

    Though there are some who stay popular even after marrying.
    34AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    Who's he even mad at?
    It's the talent agencies enforcing an insider rule the entertainment industry made up just to squeeze money out of the fan "pigs," isn't it?
    36AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    Because it kills the money-making.
    Is that why Timelesz has a 5-year rule or something?
    Restrictions like that exist.
    Banning marriage for life would be too much, but a 5-year ban seems fine.
    37AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    It's not that it's forbidden — it just kills your popularity, that's all.
    38AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:36
    Nobody said it's forbidden.
    Whether fans stay fans after the marriage is a separate issue.
    39AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:37
    Top soccer players can't ski or even ride a bike.
    People should understand that certain jobs come with restrictions.
    48AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:38
    Why? Because there are too few fans willing to indulge in a fake romance with someone who's off sleeping with some guy — it just doesn't sell.
    It's not that marketing it is banned outright, it's just that something that doesn't sell isn't a viable business.
    66AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:39
    What is this guy even talking about.
    111AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:43
    Re: #66
    Even though he's friends with Yasushi Akimoto and has done AKB-related work, lol.
    75AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:40
    I get it for idols, but voice actors? That's a mystery.
    93AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:42
    Re: #75
    Though there are voice actors fans actually tell to hurry up and get married, lol.
    98AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:43
    Re: #75
    Probably because at some point the industry decided to steer toward making money off the "idol" marketing angle, no?
    96AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:42
    Does anyone actually think marriage is forbidden?
    123AnonymousOct 5, 2026 10:44
    Re: #96
    They could just start their own idol group where marriage is totally fine.
    But as long as they're stuck somewhere bound by that unwritten rule, it seems impossible…

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    The “no dating/no marriage” rule for idols is usually not a legal regulation but a self-imposed restriction based on agency contracts and unwritten industry norms. Sakagami’s phrase “giving up your human rights” sparked discussion, but the majority view in the thread took a contract-based framing: nobody is forcing idols into this, and they’re free to quit if they don’t like it. Commenters pointed to pro baseball players being restricted from private activities like skiing or cycling even in the off-season, suggesting that “idols aren’t the only industry with occupational restrictions.” However, unlike other professions, idols’ popularity itself is their source of income, so a dating or marriage scandal tends to directly trigger fans leaving. Sakagami’s question highlighted the issue of how to interpret the difference between “formal prohibition” and “commercial self-restraint,” though the thread itself never reached a consensus.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “Shin Sakagami: “Why can’t idols get married?” “If you want to be a top idol, do you have to give up your human rights?””