KeplerL2, a leaker known for high reliability, has posted new information about the GPU performance of the next-generation consoles. According to the leak, the PS6 (codename Orion) will deliver 40TFlops while Microsoft’s next Xbox, Project Helix (codename Magnus), will hit 56TFlops — and both designs are reportedly finalized and have completed “tape-out,” the pre-mass-production stage. The thread was divided over the performance jump from the current generation, price predictions based on the PS5 Pro’s $899 (¥138,000) launch price, and just how much this power gap will actually affect real-world sales.
Xbox Project Helix: 56TFlops
Both have already taped out (specs locked, pre-production stage)
Nah, not really — it's only a bit more of a gap than PS5 vs. Series X this generation.
PS wins again ✌
$999… that'd be ¥169,980 (tax included), huh.
Just the manufacturing cost alone looks like it'll hit $999. If they can't cut the specs anymore, I'd bet on $1500 / around ¥200,000.
the PS5 Pro was $899 / ¥138,000, so it's guaranteed to be at least that much.
Re: #43 sounds realistic — even a slightly discounted Japan-market version probably won't come in under ¥100,000.
They're seriously going to launch next year braced for a flop, huh.
I guess the thinking is they can just release another Pro model later depending on how things go. They already know people will buy it even if it's expensive.
They'll keep selling the current-gen consoles alongside them for a while.
There's a rumor that Microsoft's console might tighten integration with Windows PC and let you use Steam (i.e., play PC games on the Xbox itself), right?
If that happens, pricing it like a gaming PC would actually make sense.
If PlayStation doesn't steer in that direction too, the 'muh specs' crowd can argue all they want — they'll never win,
since it'll be a fundamentally different price category of product.
Probably estimated from the CU count or something?
Unlike MLID, Kepler is the cautious type who basically only puts out leaks he's confirmed — he pretty much never misses.
If it's not the memory driving it, does the price really change that much?
Someone who knows, please explain 🥹
Re: #23
This time it's close to the relationship between the RX 9070XT and the 9700.
The Xbox will probably end up around ¥80,000 or more pricier.
It'll cost more in proportion to the die size, but PS6's Orion is monolithic while Helix's Magnus is chiplet-based, so Helix actually has better production yields/efficiency.
Either way, compared to today's memory and SSD prices, it's basically a rounding error.
For consumer graphics cards, that'd be about a ¥30,000–50,000 difference.
But since consoles are sold right at the edge of cost, it'll probably only be a ¥10,000–20,000 gap.
That's literally the job of first-party studios.
That said, since Microsoft is pushing to make PC games run on Helix too, it probably won't cost as much as making true console-exclusive games.
PCs are only getting more expensive going forward, so if I can play PC games on it too, I figure I'll just get Helix for gaming and a cheap laptop for everything else on PC.
This time it's only 4x, huh.
Honestly, that's genuinely fine with me.
I'd be satisfied with something just a notch above PS5's graphics mode running at 60fps — I'd rather they lower the power even more and make it cheaper.
Why not just get a PC at that point?
A PC in the ¥100,000+ range
only gets you something like an RTX 4060
with just DDR4 RAM.
What happened to the Xbox Series lol
What a ridiculous piece of hardware.
Even the Series S costs ¥100,000 now — is that really okay?
'Space Baldy' and the 'Hairy-Arm Marathon' game (5ch nicknames for other franchises) are definitely more popular than Kojima or Bethesda anyway.
First-party really does matter after all.
That number included some kind of 'whatchamacallit issue' caveat.
It's had that external fig-8 ('glasses') power cable since the One S.
Did you just wake up from the gold Xbox 360 days or something?
If Re: #78 is right, that sounds like a reasonable estimate.
Xbox Helix ≈ RX 7900 XT
PS6 ≈ RX 7800 XT
A leftover-stock clearance bundle, basically.
Guess it's about time to move on from WQHD.
Unfortunately, at these specs Xbox will be doing 4K while PS6 is stuck at WQHD lol
Background and Key Points of the Discussion
“Tape-out” refers to the stage where a chip’s design data is finalized and the manufacturing plant (foundry) can be ordered to produce the masks for mass production; because major spec changes become difficult after this stage, it’s often used as a benchmark for gauging how reliable a leak is. The PS5 Pro, cited for comparison in the thread, launched at $899 (¥138,000 domestically), and factoring in this generation’s performance increase (an estimated ~4x jump this time, versus 5.5x from PS4 to PS5), the dominant view was that the next-gen consoles will be priced even higher. On the other hand, it’s worth noting — a point raised in the thread but not fully explored — that in the current generation, the Xbox Series X had the edge in theoretical specs yet has still struggled in the market, so a higher TFlops number doesn’t necessarily translate directly into higher sales or platform dominance.
*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hardware/Industry (Geha)) thread “KeplerL2: ‘PS6 Confirmed at 40TFlops, Xbox Helix at 56TFlops’.”
