Author: Japan Reacts Editorial

  • Shared Medical Records with AI Developers Without Consent? Petition Against Privacy Law Loophole Tops 30,000 Signatures

    Under a special provision of Japan’s revised Personal Information Protection Act, sensitive data such as medical history can now be shared without the individual’s consent, provided the purpose is AI development or statistical research. In response, an online petition calling for operational safeguards has gathered more than 30,000 signatures.

    On 5channel, opinions split over whether data is really being handed over complete with names and addresses, and just how thoroughly it’s actually anonymized. Posts citing Diet testimony — in which Chief Cabinet Secretary Kihara and Minister Matsumoto reportedly said that stripping out personally identifiable information is “difficult in practice” — fueled growing unease about what this law change really means on the ground.

    “My information, shared without my knowledge…” The woman behind the petition calling for “operational safeguards” on the revised Personal Information Protection Act’s special provision: Tokyo Shimbun Digital

    August 18, 2026, 06:00 — Article for paid subscribers only

    An online petition calling for operational safeguards on the revised Personal Information Protection Act’s special provision — which allows sensitive information such as medical history to be shared without the individual’s consent for the purposes of AI development or statistical research — has gathered more than 30,000 signatures.

    Source: tokyo-np.co.jp / Original article here

    8AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:04
    Apps like LINE have been leaking all kinds of our data for ages, why act shocked now?
    If something's free, there's a reason.
    35AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:15
    Re: #8
    Unlike your average, not-too-careful LINE user, the people speaking up this time — folks who go to the hospital a lot — might just be the type who sweats the details.
    15AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:09
    It's not like anyone can actually be identified from it though, right?
    Is that ambiguity itself the thing people are pushing back against?
    45AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:18
    Re: #15
    No, it's handed over complete with address and name attached.
    Akira Nagatsuma raised this in the Diet, and Kihara admitted that removing that info isn't technically feasible.
    18AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:10
    No, it's fine since personally identifiable info gets stripped out first.
    Big-data analysis might surface side effects that clinical trials never caught — like "people who take this drug tend to get this reaction."
    23AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:12
    Re: #18
    I saw in the news that names get handed over in the data as-is, unredacted.
    36AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:15
    Re: #18
    You really think that rule actually gets followed?
    Way too naive.
    48AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:19
    Re: #18
    Even if it's handed over in a state that's just barely non-identifiable, it can still be pieced together like a jigsaw puzzle with data from past leaks to reconstruct the full picture.
    And it's the people with the least "value" who are easiest to exploit for crime.
    26AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:13
    More than that —
    isn't it terrifying that raw personal data of every kind ends up piled up at specific companies?
    Nobody's watching what they actually do with it internally lol
    33AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:15
    Re: #26
    Seriously, this.
    There are already plenty of sketchy companies as it is.
    39AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:16
    Re: #26
    Isn't it fine as long as it's not illegal?
    34AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:15
    Re: #23
    Is that actually true?
    Standard practice is to "sanitize" (strip out personally identifiable info) before turning data into big data.
    54AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:20
    Re: #34
    Also, the information handed over isn't the final "statistical data" itself — at the stage where raw data moves from the source to the recipient, it may still contain names and addresses. Processing it into a non-identifiable form only happens at the final output stage.

    And yet vetting of the recipient organizations is lax, basically running on the honor system.
    80AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:25
    Re: #34
    In Diet questioning, Chief Cabinet Secretary Kihara said it's not feasible to strip out personally identifiable info like address and name.
    90AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:27
    What actual harm comes from handing over someone's hospital visit history?
    95AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:28
    Re: #90
    Well, if you're a woman, having a gynecological condition exposed would be pretty embarrassing.
    105AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:30
    Re: #90
    Insurance could shift away from uniform premiums based on the law of large numbers
    toward extreme risk-segmentation at the individual level.

    AI could also end up taking over the role background-check agencies play in employment and marriage discrimination.
    104AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:30
    Re: #92
    No, I don't think that's really the main purpose — there's no real use value in the names themselves.
    The point of big data is analyzing relationships/correlations,
    so if names are used at all it's probably just to avoid duplicate entries. They should just swap it for some other identifier so individuals can't be identified.
    112AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:31
    Re: #104
    Real names aren't necessary for big data.
    So the fact that they stubbornly refuse to strip real names out means that's exactly where the real purpose lies.
    126AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:34
    Re: #112
    What exactly do you mean by "that"? What kind of personal-data use are you imagining?
    Big data's main purpose is trend analysis —
    like "taking this drug causes this side effect,"
    or whether there's regional variation in disease based on address.
    Names are probably just there to avoid double-counting duplicate entries, so a number or code would work just as well.
    130AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:35
    Re: #126
    The standing principle up to now has been "remove real names."
    This time it's a special exception making "real names OK."

    Do you not get that basic premise?
    146AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:37
    Re: #126
    According to Minister Matsumoto,
    removing names isn't feasible because it would place too much burden on the hospitals holding the data.
    148AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:37
    Do people even realize this is supposed to be anonymized data?
    Wait, it is anonymous… right? Hard to believe, but still.
    172AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:41
    Re: #148
    It's all "without the individual's consent," so it's probably handed over completely raw, everything included.
    187AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:43
    Re: #148
    This law change literally says "you don't have to anonymize it."
    196AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:45
    Re: #148
    Re: #1
    It's right there in the article — it says the data is handed over with real names attached.

    Background and Key Points

    Sensitive personal information under Japan’s Personal Information Protection Act (個人情報保護法) has always required consent before sharing with third parties, with medical history classed as “special care-required” data given extra weight since Japan lacks the sector-specific health-privacy statute that, say, HIPAA provides in the US. The 2026 revision carves out an exception: hospitals and insurers can pass such records to AI developers or statistical researchers without asking the patient, on the premise the data will be anonymized first. The petition responds to testimony in the Diet — Japan’s national legislature — where Chief Cabinet Secretary Kihara and a minister named Matsumoto both said, under questioning from opposition lawmaker Akira Nagatsuma, that stripping identifying information before handoff is “difficult in practice.”

    The thread’s actual fault line isn’t whether the law permits sharing without consent — that’s undisputed — but whether “anonymized” describes the data at the point it changes hands. Some posters insisted stripping happens before any transfer; others, citing the same Diet exchange, argued raw data with names and addresses moves first and de-identification, if it happens, comes only at the final statistical-output stage, with little vetting of who receives it in between.

    What the thread never engages with is why names get retained at all: several posters guessed it’s to prevent duplicate patient records across data sources, which is a real technical constraint in de-identification pipelines, not evidence of an ulterior motive. Readers should also know Japan’s health system is near-universal single-payer insurance, so this data pool implicates virtually the entire population, not an opt-in subset — raising the stakes of any anonymization gap well beyond what a Western reader used to fragmented, employer-based insurance records might assume.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5channel (Breaking News Plus) thread ““Don’t hand over our medical histories to AI developers without asking” — the woman behind the petition calling for “operational safeguards” on the revised Personal Information Protection Act’s special provision.”

  • Kaoru Mitoma’s New Squad Number Revealed — 5ch Reacts: ‘Absolutely Badass’

    On August 20, 2026, Brighton announced squad numbers for the new season, and Kaoru Mitoma’s new number drew comments like “absolutely badass” and “I want that jersey so bad.” The thread also touched on regret over Solly March’s departure, the possibility of Takefusa Kubo moving abroad, and comparisons with Lee Kang-in’s new number.

    Soccer Digest Web Editorial Team

    August 21, 2026

    Brighton, the club Kaoru Mitoma plays for, announced its squad numbers for the new season on August 20.

    Source: soccerdigestweb.com / Original article here

    9AnonymousAug 21, 2026 07:40
    I hate number changes, except when a young player who got randomly assigned a number as a rookie becomes a regular and switches to something else.
    I love it when a guy changes numbers all the time depending on the situation, like Zidane.
    I'm not a Kashima fan, but I do like how 40 became a special number there.
    Cristiano should've just kept number 9 at Real Madrid too.
    17AnonymousAug 21, 2026 07:46
    August 7, 2026
    Terrestrial TV ratings (Kanto region)

    NHK — 108th National High School Baseball Championship, Shimane vs. Nagasaki: 5.1%

    Fuji TV — J.League Opening Commemorative Match, Yokohama F. Marinos vs. Kashima Antlers: 2.5%

    This is reality.
    35AnonymousAug 21, 2026 08:01
    Re: #17
    No point cherry-picking the number from 3 minutes into the broadcast and spinning it like that.
    106AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:59
    Re: #17
    Funny how you're pretending it never got close to 5% by the time the match ended.
    18AnonymousAug 21, 2026 07:47
    I'm a soccer fan, but I'm boycotting matches until they bench Mitoma and Sano.
    36AnonymousAug 21, 2026 08:02
    Re: #18
    It's absolutely no problem if you don't watch.
    Go right ahead.
    52AnonymousAug 21, 2026 08:33
    Re: #18
    Do whatever you want, man.
    31AnonymousAug 21, 2026 07:58
    It was a shock that Solly March left the club.
    There was a time I thought he'd get capped for England.
    136AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:35
    Re: #31
    Before the injury, the way he'd relentlessly cut inside and get the job done was so cool.
    Also bugs me that they phrased it as "departed" rather than "transferred."
    44AnonymousAug 21, 2026 08:16
    Kubo's about the only attacker who still looks like he could land at a big club.
    53AnonymousAug 21, 2026 08:34
    Re: #44
    Kubo's already 25, though…
    He'd need a really strong league season to have a shot — double-digit goals at minimum.
    Big clubs already have 16-year-old wingers on their books; there's such a glut of winger talent that no big club needs to buy one.
    The Premier League's been picking up Japanese players lately, so a mid-table or lower Prem side is plausible, but a cash-strapped Spanish club like Sociedad won't sell him.
    So in the end he's locked up at Sociedad, run out his contract there, and by the time he's a free transfer his prime is over — he ends up somewhere like Betis. That's how it goes.
    67AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:01
    Re: #44
    There's zero real demand for him, no matter how much the web news makes it look like there is.
    50AnonymousAug 21, 2026 08:29
    He was a fantastic player, but he's a thing of the past now.
    He'll never get back to his pre-injury form.
    54AnonymousAug 21, 2026 08:38
    Re: #50
    Yeah, that's how it is.
    It's sad.

    For some reason nobody brings it up, but he might be the best soccer player Japan's ever produced.
    76AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:11
    Is there really such a thing as a "cool" or "uncool" squad number?
    81AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:23
    Re: #76
    Fine, then you're stuck wearing number 931 forever.
    86AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:37
    Squad numbers are about the only thing that gets people talking about "ball-kicking" (lol) (a dismissive slang term for soccer).
    89AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:41
    Mitoma's a serious, hard-working guy so he tracks back on defense too, but why not just let him focus purely on attack?
    96AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:52
    Re: #89
    There's no team in the Premier League that lets you get away with only attacking.
    92AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:49
    Only good in year one, mediocre ever since.
    97AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:52
    Re: #92
    Actually his best season was year three.
    94AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:51
    Re: #86
    Baseball, where nobody even talks about squad numbers — nobody has a clue what number Murakami wears.
    98AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:54
    Re: #94
    Baseball gets talked about through stats.
    You guys have nothing else, so all you can do is talk about squad numbers.
    101AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:56
    Re: #98
    He's hitting at a faster pace than he did in NPB — so much for MLB being the higher level, huh?
    127AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:10
    Re: #98
    Unlike baseball, it's not an individual sport.
    107AnonymousAug 21, 2026 09:59
    A player big clubs won't even glance at —
    that's true of pretty much every Japanese player, and it makes me sad.
    110AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:07
    Re: #107
    There have been plenty in the past, and there's still one at Liverpool right now.
    112AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:14
    He's probably going to finish his career at Brighton.
    Such a waste.
    124AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:06
    Re: #112
    If he'd shone at the World Cup, he might've had a shot.
    131AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:23
    The new face of number 7 is Lee Kang-in
    http://youtu.be/zfVfIZd-vMs?t=346&si=GXWTbbl8dvk9ZkoX


    A wonder goal on his Atlético Madrid debut.
    133AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:26
    Re: #131
    Mitoma also scored on opening day back in 2025, come to think of it.
    135AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:32
    Re: #131
    Málaga finished 4th in the Segunda División last season — a team about on par with Japan's J2.

    Background and Key Points

    Brighton & Hove Albion announce squad numbers ahead of each Premier League season, and for Kaoru Mitoma — the Kawasaki Frontale product who joined Brighton in 2021 and has become the club’s most recognizable Japanese international winger — the reveal carries more than cosmetic weight, since Japanese fans tend to read continuity or symbolism into shirt numbers in a way baseball fans (NPB) generally don’t, a contrast one poster makes directly by comparing soccer’s number culture to how nobody tracks what number a star like Murakami wears. The context behind the reactions matters too: Solly March, the English winger who had been central to Brighton’s attack, left the club this summer; Mitoma’s Japan teammate Takefusa Kubo remains at Real Sociedad in La Liga rather than at a “big club”; and South Korea’s Lee Kang-in, now at Atlético Madrid, has taken over the No.7 there, prompting an instinctive cross-comparison from Japanese posters.

    The thread never actually settles into a debate about Mitoma’s number itself — reactions to it are uniformly positive. Where it splits is on Kubo’s prospects: some argue a move to a mid-table or lower Premier League side is realistic if he strings together a strong scoring season, while others insist there is “zero real demand” for him regardless of media hype. A parallel, unresolved argument breaks out over whether a squad number can be objectively “cool” at all, and the thread drifts further off-topic into unrelated complaints about J.League TV ratings.

    What’s easy to miss: no post ever states the actual number Mitoma was given. The praise (“absolutely badass,” “want that jersey”) is reacting to the announcement itself, not describing it, so readers hoping to learn the specific digit from the discussion won’t find it here.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Soccer] “It’s here!!!” “Absolutely badass” — Kaoru Mitoma’s new squad number sparks huge reaction! “I want that jersey so bad” “It’s gonna sell out~”.”

  • Foldable Phones: Nearly Half Say “No Thanks” — 5ch: “Everyone’ll Be Using One in Two Years”

    A survey by MM Research Institute found that about half of people with no experience using a foldable smartphone clearly said they “don’t want to buy one.” On 5ch, users voiced practical concerns — the durability of the fold crease, the weight, whether the battery can even be replaced — while others predicted that “once it comes from iPhone, it’ll take off overnight.” Opinions were split.

    MM Research Institute, which conducts research and analysis in the IT sector, released survey results on awareness, usage, and purchase intent regarding foldable smartphones, shedding light on domestic attitudes toward the devices.

    Of the respondents, 544 had experience using a foldable smartphone, while 540 had none.

    Plenty of people say they’d “like to try buying one” — but what’s the number one reason among those who flatly say they won’t?

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:08
    No idea how long the fold crease actually lasts
    And the resale value's probably garbage too
    15AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:10
    Re: #3
    The screen protector film lasts six months, tops
    It's seriously done for after that
    10AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:09
    Say what you want, but in two years everyone'll be using one
    56AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:15
    Re: #10
    Most people only replace their phone once every 5 years
    No way that happens in just 2, lol
    83AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:19
    Re: #10
    Then again, if nothing's fallen apart after 2 years, it might actually catch on
    12AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:10
    Is there even any benefit to using one for gaming?
    112AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:24
    Re: #12
    Like being able to check LINE (a chat app) or 5ch while you play, maybe
    20AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:11
    If you're using it at home, you don't need to fold it
    And if you're carrying it around daily, you don't need it folded either
    242AnonymousAug 18, 2026 12:00
    Re: #20
    Unfolded, it's way lighter than a regular tablet, so it's actually great for reading manga or watching videos while lying down
    26AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:12
    The fact that they're saying Apple can't even put out the iPhone 18 this year already tells you it's rough going
    43AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:14
    Re: #26
    Apparently the Pro and Pro Max models are still coming
    49AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:14
    Re: #26
    They probably just want people to buy the 18 Pro this fall
    Question is how many actually will
    123AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:25
    Re: #26
    Feature-wise it's basically been plateaued since the 14 anyway
    27AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:12
    If it were around 180g, I'd consider it
    32AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:13
    Re: #27
    Even Samsung's models are over 200g, so that's probably a no-go
    79AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:19
    Re: #27
    If it were razor-thin — under 9mm and up to 140g — I'd actually feel like buying one
    28AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:12
    Honestly I'd rather have user-replaceable batteries than folding.
    Thanks to this dumb, totally un-"smart" design, we're stuck needing these things called portable battery packs.
    45AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:14
    Re: #28
    Not happening unless they drop the waterproofing-and-thinness arms race
    81AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:19
    Re: #28
    Starting in February, EU regulations will require phones to have replaceable batteries
    92AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:20
    You guys were fine with flip phones going clack-clack, so why is it a problem for smartphones?
    97AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:22
    Re: #92
    Flip phones weren't touchscreens
    And there was no crease running through the display
    155AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:34
    Re: #92
    The selling points are pretty different, so comparing the two doesn't mean much. Sure, they both let you get a bigger screen, but flip phones folded the keypad and screen inward — a big plus for preventing accidental taps and screen damage. Foldable smartphones, on the other hand, still give you a usable phone-sized screen when folded, so the benefit is getting a phone and a tablet in one device. In exchange, you lose most of that accidental-input and damage protection.
    93AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:21
    Just make a 4-inch smartphone already, idiots
    105AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:23
    Re: #93
    You won't even be able to tap the X to close ads anymore, lol
    111AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:24
    Re: #93
    Opening up to 4-inch size actually makes sense.

    I've got rheumatoid arthritis, so even 160g is too much for me — needs to be under 140g
    96AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:22
    I'd want one if I could check the time and see missed calls without unfolding it
    120AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:25
    Re: #96
    You'd need three panels for that, really
    202AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:48
    Isn't it just that the only ones out right now are Galaxy, so nobody feels like buying?
    Once it comes from iPhone, young people will jump on it instantly
    208AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:49
    Re: #202
    Chinese and Korean makers don't have the clout to move the global market
    211AnonymousAug 18, 2026 11:50
    Re: #202
    No one's jumping on it
    Android still has the bigger market share anyway

    Background and Key Points

    Foldable phones sit at the intersection of two shifting arms races: display engineering and battery regulation. Samsung’s Galaxy Z Fold has led the category since 2019, but foldables remain a small niche of the global smartphone market — dominated by Chinese and Korean makers, none of whom carry Apple’s cultural weight in Japan. That matters because Apple’s iPhone share in Japan runs roughly 50%, far above its global average, making Japanese consumer sentiment unusually Apple-dependent; a folding iPhone, rumored for as early as fall 2026, would be the first real test of whether Japanese buyers embrace the form factor rather than merely tolerate it from Samsung.

    The thread’s real fault line wasn’t fold-versus-slab, it was trust in durability versus faith in Apple’s gravitational pull: skeptics cited crease wear, six-month screen protectors, and battery replacement as concrete, testable failures, while optimists offered no mechanism beyond “Apple will make it cool,” betting on brand rather than engineering improving in two years.

    What the thread never engages with is the regulatory backdrop: the EU’s mandate for user-replaceable batteries takes effect in February, which foldables’ thin, hinge-heavy design makes especially hard to satisfy — the poster who raised it got a one-line reply and no real follow-up. Readers outside Japan should also know MM Research Institute is a domestic IT market-research firm, so this data reflects Japanese buying psychology specifically, not global demand — replacement cycles here already run close to five years, which alone explains much of the “won’t buy” figure without needing to invoke the foldable format’s flaws at all.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “Foldable Phones: About Half Clearly Say “I Don’t Want to Buy One”… Whether the “Foldable iPhone,” Expected Fall 2026, Succeeds Will Be the Litmus Test for the Category’s Future.”

  • Camping Comedian Hiroshi Goes Silent Amid Manufacturer Dispute — 5ch Split Over His Refusal to Release LINE Chats

    A dispute has surfaced between comedian Hiroshi, known for his camping gear, and the manufacturer he’d commissioned to produce one of his signature items. Hiroshi initially said he wanted the LINE chat logs between them made public so people could judge for themselves — but he’s since gone quiet without ever releasing them, and that shift has drawn attention. On 5ch’s Nanimo Jikkyo (Live News) board, opinions split over whether it was wise to move forward with production without first settling the rights, and whether going completely silent (“gan-mushi,” flatly ignoring the backlash) during a controversy is actually the smart play.

    1AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:03
    Smart move!
    5AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:04
    So which side actually looks worse to the public here?
    7AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:05
    Re: #5
    If you haven't read the statement the manufacturer put out, Hiroshi comes off looking better.
    17AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:09
    https://imgur.com/ue3IaQ3.jpeg


    He was so eager to release those LINE chats before… so what happened?
    21AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:10
    Re: #17
    I really love this.
    37AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:16
    Re: #17
    Makes me want to do the "story of my life!" bit.
    127AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:46
    Re: #17
    Maybe this is one of those cases where he didn't think he'd done anything wrong when he said it, but then showed it to people close to him and they were like, "uh, this isn't good."
    18AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:09
    Honestly, it is the best move available to him right now.
    20AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:09
    Re: #18
    When you're getting flamed, going totally silent and waiting for people to get bored really is the best strategy.
    78AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:33
    Re: #18
    But that tactic isn't going to turn a strategic defeat around.
    27AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:13
    Even that small frying pan Hiroshi uses when camping — he's talked about basically saying "I want something like this" and having it made for him, so he probably just gave rough specs like the size, and the actual design work was all on the factory's end. So maybe this time too, Hiroshi just conveyed the general image, and it's the manufacturer that actually turned it into a real product?
    29AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:14
    Re: #27
    That's exactly the manufacturer's side of the story.
    50AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:22
    Re: #27
    The real problem is starting production without even sorting out the rights in the first place.
    28AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:14
    He doesn't have much other work — don't go picking fights within the one industry that's his last refuge.
    35AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:15
    Re: #28
    Well, he's also got that AC flare-piping commercial gig, so…
    32AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:15


    Fan: "Let's take this to court!"
    Hiroshi: "…"
    48AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:22
    Re: #32
    Seriously? (Wait, really? If he releases them he loses, doesn't he?)
    133AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:46
    Re: #32
    Classic "enemy pretending to be a fan" move.
    33AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:15
    Wait, did Hiroshi just want something for his own personal use?
    36AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:16
    Re: #33
    He said it was ordered in a small lot, so it was probably meant for a test sale.
    40AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:17
    If they can pull off a smooth reconciliation, this could actually be great publicity. Just work out a revenue split so both sides profit.
    41AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:19
    Re: #40
    Nah, this has left a pretty bad impression.
    84AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:34
    Has anyone actually pulled off going into hiding until a scandal blows over?
    85AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:34
    Re: #84
    Happens more often than you'd think.
    140AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:49
    Re: #84
    There are quite a few cases, but those usually involve someone blossoming in a side gig or hobby unrelated to their main job. And this is exactly that kind of hobby.
    145AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:50
    Re: #84
    Waiting for a scandal to actually blow over genuinely takes years. And that only works for people who weren't excessively hated to begin with. Take Watabe (comedian Yuichi Watanabe) — he's nowhere near his peak, but people finally stopped bringing him up recently.
    93AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:38
    This is an issue between Hiroshi and the manufacturer, so outsiders shouldn't be running their mouths about it.
    105AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:39
    Re: #93
    Can't help it — Hiroshi's the one who asked us to judge who's in the wrong.
    114AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:42
    Re: #93
    Hiroshi: "I want to release the LINE chats and have everyone judge."

    Manufacturer: "We don't want to fight, but since we're being blamed one-sidedly, we have our side of the story too — go ahead and release the LINE chats, we don't mind."

    Hiroshi: "…This is between us, so it's none of outsiders' business."



    Is that seriously how it's playing out now? No way that's really it.
    115AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:42
    You hear stories sometimes about someone paying big money for a full custom order meant for personal use, only for a slightly tweaked version to show up cheap on the market not long after.
    121AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:45
    Re: #115
    Happens a lot with cars and motorcycles too — a one-off part gets made for someone, then later ends up added to the regular lineup.
    135AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:47
    Hiroshi probably wanted to hold onto the blueprints and the rights, right? Was he trying to have some manufacturer build it as an OEM exactly to spec so he could sell it through his own channels? If so, it sounds like he only outsourced the design work.

    The more natural pattern would be: the manufacturer builds what Hiroshi wants, markets and sells it themselves, and pays Hiroshi a cut as an advertising fee. Was that what the manufacturer had in mind?
    150AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:52
    By the way, anyone already convinced Hiroshi is definitely losing is just as biased as anyone else. Sure, he's making the bad move of not releasing the LINE chats he said he would — no idea if it's a dead end for him or not — but that doesn't mean the manufacturer is automatically 100% in the right either. So if you actually want to stir things up, the move is to cozy up like you're on his side and go "come on, just release the LINE chats!"

    Background and Key Points

    Camping culture in Japan has boomed since roughly 2019-2020, and Hiroshi (real name Hiroshi Watanabe) built a second career as its most recognizable comedian-turned-outdoorsman, parlaying his TV “story of my life” persona into gear branding and camping-variety appearances. That crossover matters here because collaborations between talent and manufacturers in Japan usually run on informal trust rather than signed licensing deals — a celebrity gives rough specs (“something like this”), a factory does the engineering, and who owns the resulting design is often left unresolved until money is at stake. LINE, Japan’s dominant messaging app, is where these arrangements typically get hashed out, which is why the chat logs became the flashpoint: Hiroshi first said he’d release them so the public could judge, then didn’t.

    The thread’s actual disagreement isn’t over who’s right on the merits — posters admit they don’t know that — but over whether Hiroshi’s silence (“gan-mushi”) is savvy crisis management or a tacit admission he’d lose if the messages came out. A second, related split concerns process rather than blame: several posters fault the decision to start production before the rights question was settled, regardless of which side proposed what.

    What the thread doesn’t supply is any actual content from the chats, the manufacturer’s statement, or a timeline of who commissioned what — every claim about “who really designed it” is speculation extrapolated from Hiroshi’s past small-batch gear deals, not evidence from this dispute. Readers should also know that in Japanese talent culture, going quiet during backlash is a well-worn, often effective tactic precisely because sustained public feuds are seen as more damaging to a “tarento” than unresolved accusations — which is the calculation several posters explicitly credit him with making.

    ※This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Nanimo Jikkyo G) thread「[Breaking] Hiroshi Enters the “Completely Ignore Everything” Phase」.

  • Pachinko Parlor Manager Snaps: ‘Final Warning — At This Rate, Every Pachinko Parlor in Japan Will Go Bankrupt’

    A post claiming to be from a pachinko parlor manager pleaded that “at this rate, every pachinko parlor in Japan will go bankrupt,” sparking a wave of discussion on 5ch. The thread debated the industry’s future, touching on how the player base keeps shrinking even as average spending per customer keeps climbing, and the knock-on effect on anime productions that have long relied on pachinko money.

    1AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:15
    "I'll say it straight. At this rate, in 20 years there won't be a single pachinko parlor left standing in Japan.
    Is that really what you want?
    Do you honestly think we pachinko halls have unlimited money?
    12AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:19
    Pachinko parlor managers are just regular salaried employees, yet they end up starring in goofy commercials and plastered on shop banners — sounds rough.
    27AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:27
    Re: #12
    And on top of that, the manager's the one who ends up hated by the customers too.
    19AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:24
    Pachinko machine makers will probably survive just fine even without the parlors, somehow.
    22AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:24
    Re: #19
    Most of the makers have other business lines going anyway.
    20AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:24
    Public gambling like horse racing, keirin, and boat racing can pick up the slack, so no problem. Even if you get fleeced, at least the money goes back to the government — unlike pachinko, it's not funding North Korean missiles or whatever.
    31AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:29
    Re: #20
    The gameplay is totally different, so it's not really picking up the slack.

    If anything, we NEED it to become the safety net.
    35AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:33
    Re: #20
    Just because someone likes gambling doesn't mean they like every kind of gambling.
    32AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:29
    Glad I turned down Sammy [pachinko machine maker]. The pay was amazing back in those days though.
    34AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:30
    Re: #32
    Turning down Sammy seems like a waste — they're not just a pachinko company.
    36AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:33
    Re: #32
    SEGA: "Come work for us instead." (Sammy and SEGA are sister companies under SEGA Sammy Holdings)
    54AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:50
    Isn't it actually a good thing if it collapses?
    57AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:52
    Re: #54
    Renting pachinko balls is subject to consumption tax, so ironically it's the people who DON'T play pachinko who'd be worse off if the industry went under.
    66AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:56
    Re: #54
    A lot of former pachinko parlor lots out in the suburbs just sit abandoned as-is — not sure that's really a good thing.
    99AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:46
    The three great pachinko-addict theories:
    ・"I'm winning overall."
    ・"I didn't lose, I just banked it at the parlor."
    ・"I had fun AND they gave some of it back — that's practically generous of them."
    100AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:47
    Re: #99
    I earned positive expected value.
    111AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:56
    Re: #100
    Yeah, that one's a classic too.
    116AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:03
    Re: #100
    I mean, I really am earning positive EV.
    108AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:53
    Apparently the player population has dropped a lot since the industry's peak, but profits haven't fallen nearly as much — people say that just means they've gotten more efficient at squeezing money out of a smaller pool of players.
    112AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:58
    Re: #108
    Even Maruhan [Japan's biggest pachinko chain] has reportedly nearly halved in the past decade… The scary part is that average spending per customer keeps rising in inverse proportion.
    114AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:02
    Re: #112
    An industry trying to make up for losing customers by squeezing the remaining ones harder — that's a death star shining way too bright (a Fist of the North Star reference to an omen of doom).
    120AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:05
    Re: #112
    Well yeah, the price per ball keeps climbing, so of course. And with the machines tightened up on top of that, there's no way to win.
    135AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:16
    If the pachinko industry collapses, all that manpower and money would flow into other industries and Japan would bounce back.
    136AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:20
    Re: #135
    Sounds like it'd just get siphoned off by sports betting instead — a system that sends the money straight overseas.
    143AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:24
    Re: #135
    If that alone were enough to revive Japan, the economy should already be booming.

    In reality, as tax revenue from pachinko drops, the burden just shifts onto people who don't even play.
    149AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:33
    There are anime that only got sequels made thanks to pachinko money, you know.
    If it disappears, the anime industry could be in trouble.
    151AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:33
    Re: #149
    Is it really that many though?
    155AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:35
    Re: #149
    Can't be helped, switch over to casino money then.
    165AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:46
    Re: #149
    Evangelion was basically made entirely on pachinko money, right?
    157AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:36
    Re: #152
    Symphogear and Basilisk too. Though apparently Basilisk's "Ouka" spin-off, made banking on pachinko money, turned out so bad that a pachinko or slot machine for Ouka doesn't look promising.
    160AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:40
    Re: #157
    Symphogear was already popular on its own lol
    161AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:40
    Re: #157
    Sorry, don't know either one of those.

    Background and Key Points

    Pachinko occupies a strange legal gray zone in Japan: it isn’t licensed as gambling, because the parlor pays out only tokens or prizes, which players then sell for cash at a separate “exchange shop” (sankyō) technically unaffiliated with the hall. That workaround, dating to the postwar occupation era, is what has let an industry worth roughly ¥30 trillion at its 1990s peak operate legally for decades. Player numbers have collapsed since then — from tens of millions of regulars to a shrinking, aging core — even as per-customer spending rises, which is the “efficiency” posters in the thread are alluding to: fewer players being squeezed harder rather than the industry recovering. Maruhan, cited in the thread, is the largest chain and a useful bellwether for the sector’s health.

    Where the thread actually splits is on whether pachinko’s decline is a problem worth mourning at all — some posters treat a shrinking industry as a public good (less predatory gambling, money not leaving Japan through side channels), while others point to real downstream costs: consumption tax revenue, rural land left derelict, and licensing money that funded anime productions like Evangelion.

    What’s likely to surprise foreign readers is the North Korea allegation mentioned only in passing (post 20) — it’s a decades-old, well-documented political claim that some pachinko revenue, particularly from parlors linked to Chongryon (the pro-Pyongyang Korean residents’ association), was remitted to North Korea, a claim that shaped Japanese public suspicion of the industry long before today’s economic debate. The thread never explains this, but it’s the subtext behind why “at least horse racing money doesn’t fund North Korean missiles” lands as a serious jab rather than a throwaway line.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Pachinko Parlor Manager Snaps: ‘Final Warning — At This Rate, Every Pachinko Parlor in Japan Will Go Bankrupt’”.

  • Taiwan Pulls ‘Yani Neko’ from Streaming Over Real Cigarette Brand Names

    A thread on 5ch’s Nandemo Jikkyo G board lit up over news that Yani Neko (“Nicotine Cat”), the anime known for its cat character’s smoking scenes, has had its streaming halted in Taiwan. The reason wasn’t the smoking depiction itself, but that real cigarette brand names like Mevius and Setta appeared directly on screen, which was deemed effectively tobacco advertising.

    The thread initially misreported the story as being about Hong Kong before getting corrected, and posters also brought up examples like JoJo’s Jotaro having his cigarette swapped for candy in overseas releases, sparking a divided debate over how far content regulation should go.

    4AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:41
    Fair enough — this kind of thing wouldn't fly on Japanese terrestrial TV these days anyway.
    Though yeah, they should at least zone/age-restrict it properly.
    55AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:58
    Re: #4
    Overseas it's streaming-only anyway, right?
    Japan's basically the only place that'd air something like this on regular TV.
    16AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:48
    It's Hong Kong, not Taiwan.
    And the reason isn't that the cat smokes — it's that showing the actual cigarette brand got ruled as advertising.
    31AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:52
    Re: #16
    Huh, I see.
    So that's a thing.
    Smoking itself isn't the problem then.
    Well, guess that makes sense.
    84AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:17
    Re: #16
    No, it's Taiwan.
    At least read the news properly before replying.
    119AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:28
    Re: #16
    So Zhongnanhai (a Chinese cigarette brand) would've been fine, then?
    20AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:49
    "Yaku Neko" (i.e. swap "nicotine cat" for "drug cat")
    24AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:50
    Seems like the smoking depiction itself is what's out.
    By that logic, shouldn't the same reasoning apply to those guys smoking behind the supermarket too, not just Yani Neko?
    26AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:51
    Re: #24
    True.
    I mean, there must be tons of other shows with smoking scenes too.
    29AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:52
    Re: #24
    Seems like it only got flagged because real brand names like Mevius were clearly shown, which counted as tobacco advertising.
    30AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:52
    Re: #24
    Sanji's had his cigarette censored/regulated in various countries too, for that matter.
    36AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:53
    So what are the free-speech warriors gonna do about this one?
    40AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:54
    Re: #36
    Freedom of expression only goes as far as not becoming a social harm.
    And this one's flat-out harmful.
    57AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:59
    Re: #36
    Didn't people rage and demand boycotts over the male-otaku fan portrayals in Chiramune and Nidiga (fan nicknames for two other anime)?
    There's always some double-standard jerk who sneers when it's someone else's problem but flips out the second it's personal.
    37AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:53
    Re: #26
    Overseas, Jotaro's smoking scenes get either mosaic-censored or swapped out for candy.
    39AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:54
    Re: #37
    Well, he's a minor, after all.
    98AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:21
    Re: #37
    If Jotaro delivers his big catchphrase and then starts licking a piece of candy, that turns it into a comedy anime.
    44AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:56
    It's not that the smoking depiction itself is the problem — it's that showing real cigarette names amounts to actual advertising for those cigarettes, that's why it's not allowed.

    > Tobacco products and brand names are shown repeatedly and clearly, raising suspicion that it constitutes tobacco advertising
    https://www.zakzak.co.jp/article/20260819-J7S2SLO62VH7ZIEXOIJ2AE5BAM/
    54AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:58
    Re: #44
    So that thing manga always does, calling Twitter "Twister" or some lame pun like that — turns out it actually serves a real purpose.
    49AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:57
    Doesn't it say Hong Kong?
    52AnonymousAug 21, 2026 10:58
    Re: #49
    It says 台灣 (Táiwān) right there.
    台灣 means Taiwan.
    68AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:10
    If they're shown puffing away on a real cigarette brand looking like it's delicious, yeah, that's just straight-up advertising.
    78AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:14
    Re: #68
    Seriously, she does look like she's enjoying it.
    81AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:17
    Well, of course it'd get treated as an ad for Mevius and Setta.

    89AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:19
    That's just dumb.
    Everyone should already know Japanese common sense doesn't fly overseas.
    91AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:19
    Re: #84
    It literally says "Taiwanese media reported that this happened in Hong Kong."
    96AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:21
    Re: #91
    No, that's wrong.
    This is about the anime's streaming getting halted in Taiwan.
    99AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:21
    Re: #91
    It's about the anime broadcast getting cancelled in Taiwan.
    The Hong Kong thing is old news.
    123AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:29
    Sorry, but do beastfolk characters really need to have such sexy bodies?
    124AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:30
    Re: #123
    There's no reason not to.
    164AnonymousAug 21, 2026 11:46
    Re: #123
    Otherwise they'd have gone extinct by now.

    Background and Key Points

    Taiwan’s Tobacco Hazards Prevention Act (菸害防制法) is one of the stricter tobacco-advertising regimes in Asia, banning not just ads but any media content that could be construed as promoting a specific, identifiable tobacco product. Japan has no equivalent restriction for animation — depictions of smoking, including on terrestrial TV, are governed by broadcaster self-regulation rather than law, which is why a story like this reads as baffling to a Japanese audience: the show wasn’t pulled for showing a character smoke, but for showing real, purchasable brand names (Mevius, Setta) on screen in a way regulators read as de facto advertising for those products.

    The thread’s actual fault line wasn’t “should Yani Neko be banned” so much as which country did the banning and why. Early replies (mis)reported it as a Hong Kong case and treated it as a blanket anti-smoking-depiction move, prompting pushback that if depiction alone were the issue, decades of anime featuring smoking (One Piece’s Sanji, JoJo’s Jotaro) would need the same treatment. Once corrected to Taiwan, and once the “real brand names = advertising” distinction was posted with a source, the debate shifted to whether that’s a reasonable legal line or regulatory overreach — with a side debate on free expression versus social harm.

    What the thread never really engages with is that Sanji’s and Jotaro’s overseas censorship (mosaic, candy swaps) is a distributor-side localization choice made precisely to avoid this kind of legal exposure — meaning Yani Neko’s case isn’t an outlier so much as a show that, for whatever reason, wasn’t localized before Taiwanese distribution.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “[Sad News] Yani Neko Gets Flooded with Complaints in Taiwan and Banned from Broadcast lolololololololol“.

  • Meiji Raises Prices on 14 Products Including Kinoko no Yama and Takenoko no Sato as Matcha, Materials Costs Soar

    Meiji has announced it will raise prices on a total of 14 products, including “Kinoko no Yama” and “Takenoko no Sato,” starting in October. The reason is soaring costs for matcha, packaging materials, and fuel, with shipping prices rising 3-21%. On 5ch, alongside the classic “Team Kinoko vs. Team Takenoko” debate, users also shared their sense of just how much cheap candy prices have climbed.

    On the 18th, Meiji announced it will raise prices on a total of 14 beverage and confectionery products, including “Kinoko no Yama” and “Takenoko no Sato.” The price increase, based on shipping prices, ranges from 3% to 21%. The company is passing on rising procurement costs for packaging materials, logistics, and other factors.

    Starting in October, prices will rise on three beverage products — “Tsujiri Koi Matcha Latte,” “Tsujiri Matcha Latte,” and “Tsujiri Hojicha Latte” — with shipping prices increasing 16-21%. In November, a total of 11 chocolate and snack products, including Kinoko no Yama, Takenoko no Sato, “Garbo Chocolate Pouch,” and “Karl Cheese Flavor,” will see price increases of 3-8%.

    While the market price of cacao beans, the raw material for chocolate, has stabilized, the price of matcha has soared. Palm oil and fuel costs have also surged, and the company stated that “it has become difficult to continue sales at current prices.”

    Source: nikkei.com / Original article here

    9AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:23
    Yep, a 'hearing' (a fancy word for intimidation)
    15AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:24
    Re: #9
    It's 'listening,' not 'hearing'
    14AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:24
    Why is it that you guys' Kinoko no Yama is worthless 😭
    66AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:29
    Re: #14
    Except for ratites and some Galliformes/Anseriformes, birds don't have a 'Kinoko no Yama' (a cheeky stand-in for the actual trivia — most birds lack a penis). Just some trivia for ya
    32AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:25
    Never had it.
    Is it actually good…?
    36AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:25
    Re: #32
    Kinoko no Yama is good
    74AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:31
    Re: #36
    Takenoko no Sato's the tasty one though
    195AnonymousAug 18, 2026 15:01
    Re: #74
    I prefer Kinoko no Yama too.
    Was Team Takenoko back in school, but now I'm fully Team Kinoko
    248AnonymousAug 18, 2026 15:21
    Re: #74
    Was Team Takenoko as a kid.
    Switched to Kinoko once I started drinking coffee
    37AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:26
    Just make the packaging into a coloring book already
    50AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:28
    Re: #37
    (;゚Д゚) I've done the potato chips and Kappa Ebisen ones.
    Haven't drawn the BIG potato chips one yet.
    Gotta hurry up before it goes soggy from humidity
    42AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:26
    Of course prices are going up, so how long are people gonna whine that they want the old prices back lol
    Just let go of that 'I wanna buy it cheap' urge lol
    44AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:27
    Re: #42
    We're talking about the price of labor here too, right?
    43AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:27
    It's already pricey as it is, and it'll still sell even after another hike.
    Who on earth is buying this stuff?
    65AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:29
    Re: #43
    (;゚Д゚) People who like their little indulgences will buy them no matter what~
    Look at Figma and Nendoroid figures selling like crazy even at like double their old prices…
    49AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:28
    Was shocked to see it going for 178 yen at my local supermarket.
    Feel like it used to be around 120 yen.
    With another hike coming, is it gonna break 200 yen?
    84AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:33
    Re: #49
    At a convenience store a box'll run about 280 yen
    54AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:28
    Raising the price even though there's barely anything in the box.
    Might as well be charging more for air at this point.
    64AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:29
    Re: #54
    And they'll probably still keep it labeled 'quasi-chocolate' even after the price hike (a lower-grade JAS category with less cacao than real chocolate)
    76AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:31
    Asked GPT5.6
    Question: Which is better, Kinoko no Yama or Takenoko no Sato? Answer in under 200 characters.
    Answer: Takenoko no Sato wins. The savory cookie and the chocolate blend together beautifully, and the texture is really satisfying. That said, the cracker fans of Kinoko no Yama shouldn't be underestimated either. In the end it's a matter of taste, but I'll cast my vote for Takenoko no Sato. (quoted verbatim)
    80AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:32
    Re: #76
    You can't review something you've never even eaten
    121AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:40
    > packaging materials etc. soaring

    Is the reason naphtha?
    154AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:46
    Re: #121
    'Heno-koko-no…' (a nonsense rhyme riffing on Kinoko/Takenoko) — anyway, it's the fuel cost hike
    131AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:41
    I rarely eat cheap candy these days, but I was shocked at how nasty the chocolate has gotten lately.
    Cacao's through the roof so they're probably mixing in who-knows-what.
    Nothing but low-quality, overpriced stuff out there now.
    Feel bad for kids today.
    147AnonymousAug 18, 2026 14:45
    Re: #131
    Maybe they cut the sugar or switched to cheaper ingredients?
    Chocolate's inherently kind of bitter to begin with anyway

    Background and Key Points

    The rivalry behind this story is a genuine institution in Japan: Kinoko no Yama (mushroom-shaped, chocolate cap on a cracker stem) and Takenoko no Sato (bamboo-shoot-shaped, cookie base under chocolate) have been sold by Meiji since the 1970s, and “Team Kinoko vs. Team Takenoko” is a running national debate complete with polls, merchandise, and mock elections. Both are legally classified as “quasi-chocolate” (準チョコレート) under Japan’s JAS standards, a category with lower cacao-content requirements than real chocolate, which is why they’ve historically stayed cheap. This hike sits inside a broader wave of cost-push inflation that has been reshaping Japanese snack aisles since the weak yen made imported cacao, palm oil, and packaging materials more expensive.

    The thread didn’t really argue about the price increase itself, since most posters treated it as unavoidable; the actual split was the old Kinoko-vs-Takenoko loyalty question, including several users describing switching sides as adults, plus a side debate over whether people will simply keep buying at higher prices regardless (with figure-collecting compared as a parallel indulgence market).

    What’s easy to miss is that matcha, singled out in the announcement, mainly hits the Tsujiri latte drinks (16–21% increases), not Kinoko/Takenoko themselves, which are driven up by packaging, logistics, and palm oil instead. Also unmentioned in the thread: Japan’s matcha price surge is largely demand-driven, fueled by a global matcha-latte boom and inbound tourism straining limited tencha (shade-grown tea leaf) production — a supply squeeze from outside Japan, not a domestic cost issue.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “[Price Hike] Meiji: “Kinoko no Yama” and “Takenoko no Sato” — Packaging Materials and Other Costs Soar.”

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    withnews by The Asahi Shimbun

    Every time I meet up with friends, investing comes up. Scroll through social media and you’ll see posts like “I’m putting away tens of thousands of yen a month.” Maybe I’m missing out by not doing it too — but then again, just getting through each month isn’t exactly easy either.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    53AnonymousAug 18, 2026 16:57
    40 years from now — the odds Japan even still exists, let alone that you're sitting pretty thanks to NISA gains, aren't even 50%, are they?
    61AnonymousAug 18, 2026 16:58
    Re: #53
    Sounds like the type who'd say 'I won't get my pension anyway so why bother paying into it'
    67AnonymousAug 18, 2026 16:59
    Re: #53
    If you really think Japan's going under, all the more reason to get your capital flight going
    71AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:00
    Re: #53
    Unlike iDeCo, you can withdraw from this anytime
    79AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:01
    Bottom line, NISA's a service for the wealthy — regular folks straining themselves to get in on it is the real mistake
    90AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:03
    Re: #79
    It only caps out at 18 million yen. NISA's a system for poor people, honestly — the allowance is nothing much. Most of my holdings are in a regular taxable account anyway
    95AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:04
    Re: #79
    18 million yen is way too small for the truly wealthy. It's really just an allowance sized for ordinary people redirecting a chunk of the tens of thousands of yen a month they used to save for retirement. And if you can't even manage a few tens of thousands a month in retirement savings to begin with, you should be on welfare
    128AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:10
    Come to think of it, you rarely hear about old-money landowners living comfortably off rental income investing in NISA… Guess they just don't need to?
    147AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:13
    Re: #128
    Probably because 18 million yen is chump change to the seriously rich? NISA's a tax-saving investment scheme for ordinary people
    152AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:14
    Re: #128
    Or it's such small change to them they just don't bother mentioning it — probably doing it as a matter of course
    153AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:14
    Re: #147
    Horiemon (entrepreneur Takafumi Horie) said the same — a good system, but not one he personally needs
    165AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:17
    Re: #153
    Can that guy even hold assets under his own name? Seems like they'd get seized instantly
    175AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:18
    Re: #153
    Can you actually carry forward a capital-loss deduction for that many years?
    155AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:15
    Feels like a lot of people aren't doing it, but come on, it's not like it makes you poor. My new NISA holdings are sitting on 6 million yen in unrealized gains. Everyone's making about that much lol
    168AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:17
    Re: #155
    Well, conservatively speaking, it's probably grown at least 1.5x by now
    173AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:18
    Re: #155
    I'm up more than 10x that, but I always tell people around me I'm barely scraping by. That's pretty much how it goes — nobody admits in real life that they do NISA or invest
    167AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:17
    The pension system isn't going to collapse. As long as you're alive, it pays back what you put in, in installments — whether you can live on that alone is up to you. It was always meant to be a supplementary system, but somehow everyone got brainwashed into 'can't live on pension alone → the whole system's broken'
    185AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:20
    Re: #167
    You can live on pension alone, though. Most people are on the employee pension (kosei nenkin). Can't speak for the future, though
    209AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:23
    Re: #167
    Have you never even looked at your pension statement?
    176AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:18
    Say a NISA account holder dies and nobody knows the account details or PIN — can anyone besides them withdraw the money?
    188AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:20
    Re: #176
    It can be withdrawn, but the moment the person dies it should convert to the heir's designated account or a regular taxable account — the NISA tax-free allowance itself can't be inherited
    214AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:23
    Re: #188
    So if the heir withdraws it, it's no longer tax-free and they get hit hard with taxes instead?
    239AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:28
    Re: #214
    Hey, withdraw it without authorization and you're no longer considered an heir — that meets the disqualification requirements for inheritance, so it all goes straight to the national treasury
    255AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:30
    Re: #214
    If you get cancer, you sell off your stocks bit by bit and cash them out in advance — same with bank deposits. Because once you're dead, inheritance tax takes a massive cut. Makes you wonder how Mr. Kiriya (the famous shareholder-perks investor) handles this…
    190AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:20
    'NISA-poor' is such a weird term. Mutual funds can be cashed out quickly, so it's not like you're actually poor. I'd get it if they said 'NISA-frugal' or 'NISA-austere,' but poor means genuinely having no money, doesn't it? You clearly have money. The hatred this country has for anyone trying to build up assets is next-level 😅
    202AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:22
    Re: #190
    The mass media ('masugomi,' i.e. media garbage) are idiots lol
    207AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:23
    Re: #190
    There used to be a term 'savings-poor' too — someone who prioritizes saving above everything, so their food and clothes end up shabby. Basically someone who gives up a rich, full life just to save
    210AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:23
    Talked about NISA at the Obon family gathering — the younger ones were all investing seriously, while the older generation didn't look too pleased about it
    218AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:24
    Re: #210
    A lot of old folks still think stocks equal gambling
    228AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:26
    Re: #210
    I mean, what good is an 18-million-yen allowance to old geezers at this point lol
    221AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:25
    Lost quite a bit myself — loaded up on Nissan at 1,000 yen, bought some Russian stocks too. The forced liquidation after 5 years with no ability to offset gains and losses was brutal on top of that
    236AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:27
    Re: #221
    Nissan at 1,000 yen, lol. Back then Nissan was THE go-to high-dividend stock

    Background and Key Points

    The new NISA (Nippon Individual Savings Account) is Japan’s tax-exempt investing scheme, modeled on Britain’s ISA and first launched in 2014, then overhauled in January 2024 into a permanent program with a lifetime investment cap of 18 million yen (about $120,000) — up to 12 million yen of which can go into the “growth” tier, with combined annual limits of 3.6 million yen. It was the centerpiece of the Kishida government’s push to move household savings into investment, in a country where cash and bank deposits still dominate household assets far more than in the US or UK. iDeCo, mentioned in the thread, is a separate individual pension scheme locked until age 60, unlike NISA’s anytime withdrawals.

    The thread’s real fault line wasn’t whether to invest, but whether NISA counts as a program “for the rich” or “for ordinary people.” Posters pointed out that 18 million yen is trivial to genuinely wealthy households, making NISA a middle-class tax break rather than an elite shelter — which cuts against the framing implied by the term “NISA-poor” itself.

    What outsiders are likely to miss is that “NISA-poor” (NISA貧乏) doesn’t mean destitute — it describes people who funnel so much monthly cash into hitting the contribution cap that everyday spending gets squeezed, echoing an older term, “savings-poor” (貯金貧乏). Also unmentioned but relevant: NISA’s tax-free status doesn’t transfer to heirs — assets convert to a taxable account on the holder’s death, which is why several posters discussed selling off holdings before dying to dodge Japan’s steep inheritance tax.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Why Does ‘NISA-Poor’ Happen? Started It for ‘Future Peace of Mind,’ But… Rethinking Our Relationship with Investing.”

  • Rakuten’s Mikitani Opposes Food Consumption Tax Cut: ‘I Don’t Think Prices Will Actually Drop’ — Here’s Why

    Rakuten Group Chairman and President Hiroshi Mikitani has reportedly voiced skepticism about a consumption tax cut on food, saying he “doesn’t think prices would actually drop” — the remarks drew a wave of reactions on 5ch’s Breaking News+ board.

    In the thread, posters compared his comments to Suntory President Torii’s similar opposition to the tax cut, while also trading explanations back and forth about how the consumption tax actually works and how it relates to corporate tax.

    Published 8/18 (Tue) 16:12

    Bunshun Online

    Rakuten Group Chairman and President Hiroshi Mikitani (61), speaking to Weekly Bunshun, expressed a negative view of a consumption tax cut on food, saying he “doesn’t think prices would drop.”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    6AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:09
    It's a campaign pledge.
    Don't start whining about it now.
    130AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:45
    Re: #6
    The pledge was only to speed up the review.
    If, after reviewing it, they conclude it won't be effective, scrapping it IS keeping the pledge.
    12AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:10
    Executives are scared of corporate tax hikes.

    That's why they want the consumption tax raised more and more instead.
    113AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:42
    Re: #12
    You can't collect corporate tax from a company running a loss, lol
    154AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:51
    Re: #12
    These days both politicians and executives only talk their own book.
    The kind of decent adult who'd act even at personal cost, just because it's good for society or the public — someone morally upright who can put others first — those people are just gone.
    Companies rake in profits, hoard them instead of passing them on to employees, and then turn around and demand lower corporate tax.
    Diet members know full well the yen is sliding and bonds are falling, but they got elected riding Takaichi's popularity, so they can't say a word against it.
    No wonder nobody trusts these people anymore.
    15AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:11
    Honestly, I agree.
    Direct payments for low-income households would be more realistic.
    26AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:15
    Re: #15
    Opposed ¥60k.
    Opposed ¥40k.
    "We'll do ¥20k, that's the pledge!" — LDP
    Takaichi's LDP breaks the ¥20k pledge

    And now this.
    22AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:13
    Nobody's saying prices overall need to drop — just that they should drop by the amount of the consumption tax.
    58AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:20
    Re: #22
    That's exactly the point — it won't even drop by that much.
    98AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:39
    Re: #22
    Sounds like you think the consumption tax is just money businesses hold in trust for the government.
    104AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:40
    Isn't consumption tax separate from prices?
    Isn't consumption tax just the 8% or 10% added on top of the item's price?
    129AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:45
    Re: #104
    It's the opposite.
    Consumption tax isn't added on top of the item price — businesses simply pay tax on the tax-included sale price, minus a credit for the tax they paid on their own purchases.
    In essence, it's just taken out of the "tax-included price."
    In other words, it's an entirely ordinary tax on businesses — exactly like corporate tax or property tax.
    148AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:49
    Re: #104
    Even now, dine-in and takeout are taxed at different rates, yet places like McDonald's keep the tax-included price the same for both anyway.
    115AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:42
    So after Suntory, now Rakuten too, huh.

    Suntory Holdings President Nobuhiro Torii voices opposition to a "1% consumption tax on food and drink," explaining: "It would cause people to cut back on dining out, and the negative impact would be significant"
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/fa245026ced475a7062315fe4fa83c305169f4ca

    Suntory Holdings President Torii voices opposition to "1% consumption tax on food and drink" — "It would cause people to cut back on dining out, and the negative impact would be significant" ★3 [♪♪♪★]
    https://asahi.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1786939405/
    118AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:43
    Re: #115

    575 Anonymous 2026/08/17 (Mon) 12:10:01.57 ID:V+ZLo6zm0
    Share of retail profit within total alcoholic-beverage profit:
    Suntory > Kirin > Asahi


    I think it means something that Suntory — which is way weaker than its rivals in the on-premise/food-service channel and makes its money on retail — is the one saying this.
    142AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:48
    Re: #115
    They just don't want to cut their own prices, that's all.
    Foreign-owned brands aren't affected the same way, so they'll cut prices.
    123AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:44
    The dine-out market isn't that big a deal, is it?
    127AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:44
    Re: #123
    Dining out and takeout will end up priced differently.
    133AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:45
    Re: #127
    So the whole country has to shoulder the burden for that niche market?
    135AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:46
    Re: #133
    Cash handouts would do fine.
    138AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:47
    Re: #133
    The government is also weighing measures to cushion the blow to restaurants and farmers.

    1% consumption tax on food and drink could make the 10%-taxed dine-out sector feel "overpriced" — farmers also at risk of taking a hit — government considers countermeasures [Gure★]
    https://asahi.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1785929790/
    177AnonymousAug 18, 2026 18:59
    Budweiser American Lager Beer, 12 fl oz, 30 cans
    $22.83
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Budweiser-American-Lager-Beer-30-Pack-12-fl-oz-Aluminum-Cans-5-ABV/10984471?classType=REGULAR


    Under a dollar a can
    213AnonymousAug 18, 2026 19:08
    Re: #177
    Sapporo Beer, 12 fl oz, 12-pack
    $14.27
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sapporo-Premium-Import-Lager-Beer-12-fl-oz-12-Pack-Cans-4-9-ABV/595874078?classType=REGULAR

    Background and Key Points

    Rakuten and Suntory’s opposition matters because both are among Japan’s largest food-and-beverage-adjacent employers, and their pushback lands right as the Takaichi government weighs a temporary 1% consumption tax cut on food as a cost-of-living measure. Japan’s consumption tax has sat at 10% (8% for food/beverages under the reduced-rate system introduced in 2019) since the last hike, and it’s a border-adjusted, credit-invoice tax: businesses remit tax on their sales price minus the tax already paid on inputs, so the amount consumers see added at the register is really the tail end of a chain of business-to-business settlements, not a separate government levy bolted onto a fixed price. That mechanic is exactly what the thread argued over — several posters insisted a cut should simply subtract 1% from shelf prices, while others countered that because tax is embedded in pricing rather than stacked on top, businesses have no obligation (and often no practical way) to pass the full reduction through, especially in dine-in/takeout situations where identical tax-included prices are already common practice (McDonald’s was cited).

    What the thread never really unpacks is why executives like Mikitani and Torii benefit from this specific skepticism: a consumption tax cut is politically popular but fiscally painful for the government, and business leaders publicly doubting its effectiveness helps steer the debate toward the alternative they’d prefer — targeted cash handouts to low-income households, which don’t touch corporate margins or invite awkward “did you actually lower your prices” scrutiny. Readers may also assume this is a partisan LDP-only fight, but the thread notes even the ¥20,000 handout pledge was already broken, suggesting distrust here cuts across the cash-vs-tax-cut debate generally.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “Rakuten’s Mikitani Opposes Food Consumption Tax Cut: “I Don’t Think Prices Will Actually Drop” — Here’s Why.”

  • Streamer Hori Daisuke Claims ’30-Minute Sleep’ Works — Experts Say ‘That’s Just Sleep Deprivation’

    Streamer Hori Daisuke claims that “30 minutes of sleep is enough for anyone to become a short sleeper,” and has become a hot topic on 5ch after taking on a week-long livestream challenge to prove it. In the thread, users pointed out that he may just be faking it with baths and workouts, debates broke out over the actual definition of a “short sleeper,” and the discussion even touched on his clash with sleep experts.

    1AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:21
    Hori Daisuke's a fraud, right?
    6AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:24
    I love how the whole point of cutting sleep to 30 minutes was to free up time, and what he does with that freed-up time is take a bath just to wake himself up — it's like a comedy routine.
    9AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:24
    Re: #6
    Bath (aka sleep)
    12AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:25
    I want NHK's "100 Cameras" or "72 Hours" (NHK documentary series) to cover this.
    Or even "Darwin's Come!" (NHK's nature documentary show) would be fine.
    15AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:26
    Re: #12
    No way, no way.
    Didn't he try to livestream a full week without sleeping,
    only to sleep 7 hours on day one?
    20AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:29
    Only a Showa-era guy would even attempt being a "short sleeper."
    Loving this kind of pointless, worthless stunt is such a Showa thing to do.
    22AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:29
    Re: #20
    Total "Misawa from Hell" energy (a meme character famous for smug self-satisfaction)
    23AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:30
    Re: #20
    Honestly, back in middle/high school I looked up to that — or really I just wanted more time to play, so I tried all kinds of things to cut down my sleep.
    Gave it up after about six months when I realized it was impossible.
    29AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:34
    So what's this guy actually doing with all the time he's not sleeping?
    If he's got 23 extra hours to use, he must be accomplishing something impressive, right?
    30AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:34
    Re: #29
    Working out and taking baths just to shake off drowsiness, that's it.
    31AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:34
    Re: #29
    Bath (aka sleep)
    Working out

    That's basically his whole day right there.
    33AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:36
    He's probably actually sleeping like 7 or 8 hours.
    35AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:37
    Re: #33
    If he's in that state after 8 hours, he probably needs more like 12.
    36AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:37
    For a 24/7, week-long stream, does he actually have someone monitoring him the whole time?
    43AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:42
    Re: #36
    If he did that, he'd get caught immediately.
    39AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:40
    He's sleep deprived, sure, but technically he is a short sleeper, isn't he?
    42AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:42
    Re: #39
    "Short sleeper" doesn't just mean someone whose sleep time is short, you know.
    44AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:44
    Re: #39
    According to Thomas Edison, who coined the term, a true "short sleeper" is
    someone with an innate ability to function with little sleep, with no effect on their mental state.

    Someone once said (forget who) that most self-proclaimed short sleepers are just sleep deprived.
    46AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:45
    I'm sure if you searched the whole world you'd find someone who genuinely gets by on 30 minutes of sleep a day, but that's the rarest of rare exceptions — why can't people grasp that it's not something others can just copy?
    55AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:51
    Re: #46
    Apparently it's flat-out impossible.
    Even people who seem to sleep very little are usually napping or just not realizing they dozed off during "waking" periods — once you actually measure it, the real total converges to something higher than they think. So under perfect measurement, maybe a week is doable, but biologically it's impossible to sustain long-term.
    48AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:46
    If there's no monitor for the whole week-long stream, doesn't that make the whole thing pointless?
    What are the actual rules here?
    If he actually pulled this off, it seems like it could be a Guinness World Record for livestreaming, so it'd be worth spending money to properly verify it.
    53AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:49
    Re: #48
    Unfortunately, Guinness no longer registers records that pose a health risk.
    For reference, the sleep-deprivation record that triggered that policy is Randy Gardner's 11 days, so a week of 30-minute sleep wouldn't be anywhere near record territory anyway.
    57AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:53
    For the week-long stream, he'll probably end up sleeping partway through anyway, with excuses like "I've got a TV recording" or "equipment trouble."
    58AnonymousAug 20, 2026 08:54
    Re: #57
    He's sleeping in the bath.
    71AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:05
    But it is a bit odd — Yanagisawa Masashi (the sleep researcher) has been directly attacking Hori Daisuke for a while, repeatedly insisting he can't become a short sleeper through training, yet Yanagisawa himself is researching how to make people short sleepers with drugs, and his side keeps avoiding a direct debate.
    Maybe the real reason is it'd be inconvenient if people actually could become short sleepers through training.
    75AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:14
    Re: #71
    Isn't it just that his research concluded you can't become one through training?
    76AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:19
    Re: #71
    It's not really odd.
    Plenty of diseases the body can't heal on its own get solved with medicine.
    So it makes sense that sleep could work the same way — impossible through natural human ability, but maybe possible with drugs.
    83AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:28
    Re: #71
    There's basically zero upside for Dr. Yanagisawa to engage directly.
    What's a guy whose only evidence is personal anecdote going to do against a Nobel Prize candidate? All he can do is come in swinging on momentum and emotion, like his feuds with Takasu (the plastic surgeon known for combative online spats).
    79AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:24
    If you've already cut it down to 30 minutes, just don't sleep at all then.
    Why are you still sleeping even a little?
    86AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:33
    Re: #79
    Hori's theory is that if you massively boost sleep quality, you can cut down the time you need.
    101AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:44
    Re: #86
    Might as well go for a delta function at this point (an instant of infinite intensity but zero duration — math joke).
    108AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:50
    Re: #86
    But if he still needs a bath to wake himself up, doesn't that mean the quality isn't actually high enough for 30 minutes to suffice?
    102AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:45
    If there were a way to not sleep at all, I'd want to know it, but if he's still sleeping regardless, 30 minutes vs a few hours makes no real difference.

    A person who never poops at all would be impressive, but if someone tells me they poop in 5 seconds, all I can say is "huh, guess that's different."
    105AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:48
    Re: #102
    "Speed-pooping," lol.
    Comparing it to one of the three basic human urges is a bit much though.
    106AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:49
    Re: #102
    If you could genuinely poop in 5 seconds, honestly that'd be more enviable.
    Not pooping at all just means you're constipated.
    107AnonymousAug 20, 2026 09:50
    Re: #102
    Nah, if there's an actual trick to pooping fast and clean, I'd genuinely want to know it.

    Background and Key Points

    Short sleepers are a real, narrow biological category, not just people who sleep little. The term was popularized by Thomas Edison, who framed it as an innate constitutional trait rather than a skill; modern research on genuine short sleepers has centered on figures like Masashi Yanagisawa, the University of Tsukuba orexin researcher named in the thread, whose lab studies drug-based ways to induce short-sleep physiology rather than behavioral “training.” Separately, geneticists elsewhere have identified rare mutations (in genes such as DEC2) in people who naturally thrive on four to six hours with no cognitive cost — a detail the thread never raises, even though it is the clearest scientific benchmark for what a “true” short sleeper looks like, and it’s vanishingly rare, not something achievable by willpower.

    The thread’s actual disagreement isn’t about whether Hori is sleeping at all — most posters assume he is — but whether cutting total sleep time while relying on baths and exercise to stay conscious counts as being a “short sleeper” versus simply being chronically sleep-deprived with coping tricks. That distinction maps directly onto Edison’s original definition versus a layperson’s.

    What readers may not know: Guinness World Records stopped certifying sleep-deprivation stunts after Randy Gardner’s 1964 eleven-day record, precisely because of the health risks involved — so even a flawless week-long stream would earn no formal record, making the “prove it” framing somewhat moot regardless of the outcome.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Live Commentary board) thread “Hori Daisuke: “30-Minute Sleep, Anyone Can Become a Short Sleeper” — Experts: “Short Sleepers Are Just Sleep Deprived”.”