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The story
Rakuten Group Chairman and President Hiroshi Mikitani has reportedly voiced skepticism about a consumption tax cut on food, saying he “doesn’t think prices would actually drop” — the remarks drew a wave of reactions on 5ch’s Breaking News+ board.
In the thread, posters compared his comments to Suntory President Torii’s similar opposition to the tax cut, while also trading explanations back and forth about how the consumption tax actually works and how it relates to corporate tax.
Published 8/18 (Tue) 16:12
Bunshun Online
Rakuten Group Chairman and President Hiroshi Mikitani (61), speaking to Weekly Bunshun, expressed a negative view of a consumption tax cut on food, saying he “doesn’t think prices would drop.”
Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here
What people said
Don't start whining about it now.
The pledge was only to speed up the review.
If, after reviewing it, they conclude it won't be effective, scrapping it IS keeping the pledge.
That's why they want the consumption tax raised more and more instead.
You can't collect corporate tax from a company running a loss, lol
These days both politicians and executives only talk their own book.
The kind of decent adult who'd act even at personal cost, just because it's good for society or the public — someone morally upright who can put others first — those people are just gone.
Companies rake in profits, hoard them instead of passing them on to employees, and then turn around and demand lower corporate tax.
Diet members know full well the yen is sliding and bonds are falling, but they got elected riding Takaichi's popularity, so they can't say a word against it.
No wonder nobody trusts these people anymore.
Direct payments for low-income households would be more realistic.
Opposed ¥60k.
Opposed ¥40k.
"We'll do ¥20k, that's the pledge!" — LDP
Takaichi's LDP breaks the ¥20k pledge
And now this.
That's exactly the point — it won't even drop by that much.
Sounds like you think the consumption tax is just money businesses hold in trust for the government.
Isn't consumption tax just the 8% or 10% added on top of the item's price?
It's the opposite.
Consumption tax isn't added on top of the item price — businesses simply pay tax on the tax-included sale price, minus a credit for the tax they paid on their own purchases.
In essence, it's just taken out of the "tax-included price."
In other words, it's an entirely ordinary tax on businesses — exactly like corporate tax or property tax.
Even now, dine-in and takeout are taxed at different rates, yet places like McDonald's keep the tax-included price the same for both anyway.
Suntory Holdings President Nobuhiro Torii voices opposition to a "1% consumption tax on food and drink," explaining: "It would cause people to cut back on dining out, and the negative impact would be significant"
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/fa245026ced475a7062315fe4fa83c305169f4ca
Suntory Holdings President Torii voices opposition to "1% consumption tax on food and drink" — "It would cause people to cut back on dining out, and the negative impact would be significant" ★3 [♪♪♪★]
https://asahi.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1786939405/
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Share of retail profit within total alcoholic-beverage profit:
Suntory > Kirin > Asahi
I think it means something that Suntory — which is way weaker than its rivals in the on-premise/food-service channel and makes its money on retail — is the one saying this.
They just don't want to cut their own prices, that's all.
Foreign-owned brands aren't affected the same way, so they'll cut prices.
Dining out and takeout will end up priced differently.
So the whole country has to shoulder the burden for that niche market?
Cash handouts would do fine.
The government is also weighing measures to cushion the blow to restaurants and farmers.
1% consumption tax on food and drink could make the 10%-taxed dine-out sector feel "overpriced" — farmers also at risk of taking a hit — government considers countermeasures [Gure★]
https://asahi.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1785929790/
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Background and Key Points
Rakuten and Suntory’s opposition matters because both are among Japan’s largest food-and-beverage-adjacent employers, and their pushback lands right as the Takaichi government weighs a temporary 1% consumption tax cut on food as a cost-of-living measure. Japan’s consumption tax has sat at 10% (8% for food/beverages under the reduced-rate system introduced in 2019) since the last hike, and it’s a border-adjusted, credit-invoice tax: businesses remit tax on their sales price minus the tax already paid on inputs, so the amount consumers see added at the register is really the tail end of a chain of business-to-business settlements, not a separate government levy bolted onto a fixed price. That mechanic is exactly what the thread argued over — several posters insisted a cut should simply subtract 1% from shelf prices, while others countered that because tax is embedded in pricing rather than stacked on top, businesses have no obligation (and often no practical way) to pass the full reduction through, especially in dine-in/takeout situations where identical tax-included prices are already common practice (McDonald’s was cited).
What the thread never really unpacks is why executives like Mikitani and Torii benefit from this specific skepticism: a consumption tax cut is politically popular but fiscally painful for the government, and business leaders publicly doubting its effectiveness helps steer the debate toward the alternative they’d prefer — targeted cash handouts to low-income households, which don’t touch corporate margins or invite awkward “did you actually lower your prices” scrutiny. Readers may also assume this is a partisan LDP-only fight, but the thread notes even the ¥20,000 handout pledge was already broken, suggesting distrust here cuts across the cash-vs-tax-cut debate generally.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “Rakuten’s Mikitani Opposes Food Consumption Tax Cut: “I Don’t Think Prices Will Actually Drop” — Here’s Why.”
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