Streamer Hori Daisuke claims that “30 minutes of sleep is enough for anyone to become a short sleeper,” and has become a hot topic on 5ch after taking on a week-long livestream challenge to prove it. In the thread, users pointed out that he may just be faking it with baths and workouts, debates broke out over the actual definition of a “short sleeper,” and the discussion even touched on his clash with sleep experts.
Hori Daisuke's a fraud, right?
I love how the whole point of cutting sleep to 30 minutes was to free up time, and what he does with that freed-up time is take a bath just to wake himself up — it's like a comedy routine.
>>6
Bath (aka sleep)
Bath (aka sleep)
I want NHK's "100 Cameras" or "72 Hours" (NHK documentary series) to cover this.
Or even "Darwin's Come!" (NHK's nature documentary show) would be fine.
Or even "Darwin's Come!" (NHK's nature documentary show) would be fine.
>>12
No way, no way.
Didn't he try to livestream a full week without sleeping,
only to sleep 7 hours on day one?
No way, no way.
Didn't he try to livestream a full week without sleeping,
only to sleep 7 hours on day one?
Only a Showa-era guy would even attempt being a "short sleeper."
Loving this kind of pointless, worthless stunt is such a Showa thing to do.
Loving this kind of pointless, worthless stunt is such a Showa thing to do.
>>20
Total "Misawa from Hell" energy (a meme character famous for smug self-satisfaction)
Total "Misawa from Hell" energy (a meme character famous for smug self-satisfaction)
>>20
Honestly, back in middle/high school I looked up to that — or really I just wanted more time to play, so I tried all kinds of things to cut down my sleep.
Gave it up after about six months when I realized it was impossible.
Honestly, back in middle/high school I looked up to that — or really I just wanted more time to play, so I tried all kinds of things to cut down my sleep.
Gave it up after about six months when I realized it was impossible.
So what's this guy actually doing with all the time he's not sleeping?
If he's got 23 extra hours to use, he must be accomplishing something impressive, right?
If he's got 23 extra hours to use, he must be accomplishing something impressive, right?
>>29
Working out and taking baths just to shake off drowsiness, that's it.
Working out and taking baths just to shake off drowsiness, that's it.
>>29
Bath (aka sleep)
Working out
That's basically his whole day right there.
Bath (aka sleep)
Working out
That's basically his whole day right there.
He's probably actually sleeping like 7 or 8 hours.
>>33
If he's in that state after 8 hours, he probably needs more like 12.
If he's in that state after 8 hours, he probably needs more like 12.
For a 24/7, week-long stream, does he actually have someone monitoring him the whole time?
>>36
If he did that, he'd get caught immediately.
If he did that, he'd get caught immediately.
He's sleep deprived, sure, but technically he is a short sleeper, isn't he?
>>39
"Short sleeper" doesn't just mean someone whose sleep time is short, you know.
"Short sleeper" doesn't just mean someone whose sleep time is short, you know.
>>39
According to Thomas Edison, who coined the term, a true "short sleeper" is
someone with an innate ability to function with little sleep, with no effect on their mental state.
Someone once said (forget who) that most self-proclaimed short sleepers are just sleep deprived.
According to Thomas Edison, who coined the term, a true "short sleeper" is
someone with an innate ability to function with little sleep, with no effect on their mental state.
Someone once said (forget who) that most self-proclaimed short sleepers are just sleep deprived.
I'm sure if you searched the whole world you'd find someone who genuinely gets by on 30 minutes of sleep a day, but that's the rarest of rare exceptions — why can't people grasp that it's not something others can just copy?
>>46
Apparently it's flat-out impossible.
Even people who seem to sleep very little are usually napping or just not realizing they dozed off during "waking" periods — once you actually measure it, the real total converges to something higher than they think. So under perfect measurement, maybe a week is doable, but biologically it's impossible to sustain long-term.
Apparently it's flat-out impossible.
Even people who seem to sleep very little are usually napping or just not realizing they dozed off during "waking" periods — once you actually measure it, the real total converges to something higher than they think. So under perfect measurement, maybe a week is doable, but biologically it's impossible to sustain long-term.
If there's no monitor for the whole week-long stream, doesn't that make the whole thing pointless?
What are the actual rules here?
If he actually pulled this off, it seems like it could be a Guinness World Record for livestreaming, so it'd be worth spending money to properly verify it.
What are the actual rules here?
If he actually pulled this off, it seems like it could be a Guinness World Record for livestreaming, so it'd be worth spending money to properly verify it.
>>48
Unfortunately, Guinness no longer registers records that pose a health risk.
For reference, the sleep-deprivation record that triggered that policy is Randy Gardner's 11 days, so a week of 30-minute sleep wouldn't be anywhere near record territory anyway.
Unfortunately, Guinness no longer registers records that pose a health risk.
For reference, the sleep-deprivation record that triggered that policy is Randy Gardner's 11 days, so a week of 30-minute sleep wouldn't be anywhere near record territory anyway.
For the week-long stream, he'll probably end up sleeping partway through anyway, with excuses like "I've got a TV recording" or "equipment trouble."
>>57
He's sleeping in the bath.
He's sleeping in the bath.
But it is a bit odd — Yanagisawa Masashi (the sleep researcher) has been directly attacking Hori Daisuke for a while, repeatedly insisting he can't become a short sleeper through training, yet Yanagisawa himself is researching how to make people short sleepers with drugs, and his side keeps avoiding a direct debate.
Maybe the real reason is it'd be inconvenient if people actually could become short sleepers through training.
Maybe the real reason is it'd be inconvenient if people actually could become short sleepers through training.
>>71
Isn't it just that his research concluded you can't become one through training?
Isn't it just that his research concluded you can't become one through training?
>>71
It's not really odd.
Plenty of diseases the body can't heal on its own get solved with medicine.
So it makes sense that sleep could work the same way — impossible through natural human ability, but maybe possible with drugs.
It's not really odd.
Plenty of diseases the body can't heal on its own get solved with medicine.
So it makes sense that sleep could work the same way — impossible through natural human ability, but maybe possible with drugs.
>>71
There's basically zero upside for Dr. Yanagisawa to engage directly.
What's a guy whose only evidence is personal anecdote going to do against a Nobel Prize candidate? All he can do is come in swinging on momentum and emotion, like his feuds with Takasu (the plastic surgeon known for combative online spats).
There's basically zero upside for Dr. Yanagisawa to engage directly.
What's a guy whose only evidence is personal anecdote going to do against a Nobel Prize candidate? All he can do is come in swinging on momentum and emotion, like his feuds with Takasu (the plastic surgeon known for combative online spats).
If you've already cut it down to 30 minutes, just don't sleep at all then.
Why are you still sleeping even a little?
Why are you still sleeping even a little?
>>79
Hori's theory is that if you massively boost sleep quality, you can cut down the time you need.
Hori's theory is that if you massively boost sleep quality, you can cut down the time you need.
>>86
Might as well go for a delta function at this point (an instant of infinite intensity but zero duration — math joke).
Might as well go for a delta function at this point (an instant of infinite intensity but zero duration — math joke).
>>86
But if he still needs a bath to wake himself up, doesn't that mean the quality isn't actually high enough for 30 minutes to suffice?
But if he still needs a bath to wake himself up, doesn't that mean the quality isn't actually high enough for 30 minutes to suffice?
If there were a way to not sleep at all, I'd want to know it, but if he's still sleeping regardless, 30 minutes vs a few hours makes no real difference.
A person who never poops at all would be impressive, but if someone tells me they poop in 5 seconds, all I can say is "huh, guess that's different."
A person who never poops at all would be impressive, but if someone tells me they poop in 5 seconds, all I can say is "huh, guess that's different."
>>102
"Speed-pooping," lol.
Comparing it to one of the three basic human urges is a bit much though.
"Speed-pooping," lol.
Comparing it to one of the three basic human urges is a bit much though.
>>102
If you could genuinely poop in 5 seconds, honestly that'd be more enviable.
Not pooping at all just means you're constipated.
If you could genuinely poop in 5 seconds, honestly that'd be more enviable.
Not pooping at all just means you're constipated.
>>102
Nah, if there's an actual trick to pooping fast and clean, I'd genuinely want to know it.
Nah, if there's an actual trick to pooping fast and clean, I'd genuinely want to know it.
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Live Commentary board) thread “Hori Daisuke: “30-Minute Sleep, Anyone Can Become a Short Sleeper” — Experts: “Short Sleepers Are Just Sleep Deprived”.”
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