Author: Japan Reacts Editorial

  • PSV’s Kota Sano Scores First Goal Since Transfer With a Stunning Long-Range Strike — Full 5th Straight Start as Team Wins 5 in a Row

    PSV faced Sparta Rotterdam in matchday 6 of the Dutch Eredivisie on the 13th (local time), with PSV winning 4-1. Japan international midfielder Kota Sano started and played the full match again, scoring his first goal since his transfer with a long-range strike in the 39th minute, leading the team to its fifth straight league win. On 5channel threads, many praised the technical quality of the shot, but there were also numerous comments comparing him to his older brother Kaishu Sano, who plays defensive midfielder for the Japan national team. The discussion also sparked controversy over the level of the Eredivisie itself, with some calling it “below the J.League.”

    Matchday 6 of the Dutch Eredivisie between PSV and Sparta Rotterdam was played on the 13th (local time), with home side PSV winning 4-1. Japan international midfielder Kota Sano, who plays for PSV, started and played the full match, scoring his first goal since his transfer in the 39th minute. His stunning long-range strike led the team to victory.

    First goal since transfer with a jaw-dropping long-range strike

    PSV, on a four-match league winning streak, hosted Sparta at home.

    Source: footballchannel.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:35
    No little brother is better than his big brother (a common Japanese saying)
    22AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:50
    Re: #2
    I'd say this guy's even better than his brother
    28AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:55
    Re: #2
    Kota Sano's Champions League highlight reel
    https://x.com/wowow_soccer/status/2098200650232586508

    Pulling this off at 22 is insane lol
    5AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:35
    Who knew Sano would become Japan's best player
    43AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:08
    Re: #5
    If you know how weak the Dutch league is and you're still saying that, it comes off as sarcastic
    63AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:21
    Re: #5
    Not yet at this point, but if you'd watched his U-20 play you could've predicted this was possible
    6AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:36
    Own-goal-ish gift off a GK mistake
    He didn't even cover the near side
    Scoring in a league below the J.League doesn't mean anything
    64AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:22
    Re: #6
    Ao Tanaka's long-range goal is more impressive — scored against Chelsea, a powerhouse in the world's strongest league, the Premier League

    [Video] Ao Tanaka's blistering long-range golazo!!!
    https://x.com/goaljp_official/status/1996325046533726647
    Re: #11
    67AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:24
    Re: #64
    This long-ranger from Ao Tanaka is insane
    Guess Premier League guys are just different
    7AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:37
    You gotta shoot to score, but this one going in was pure luck
    56AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:15
    Re: #7
    His brother Kaishu Sano's goals are the same way — he's usually not even aiming where it goes, the ball just clips off his foot or takes a weird bounce and goes in by luck
    Kota even said in an interview that the one against Brazil went in off a mishit, by luck
    11AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:41
    This one's an unmistakable screamer
    12AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:42
    That long-range shot was amazing
    Worlds apart from Doan, who couldn't do anything at PSV
    Both brothers are impressive
    The fact that people rate Zion over Kota just shows how many Japanese soccer fans have no eye for talent
    59AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:19
    Re: #12
    His brother Kaishu Sano always loses to Doan and gets destroyed by him though
    18AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:47
    He put deliberate outside spin on it — it's actually a really skillful shot
    21AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:49
    Re: #18
    First time I've seen a shot with that low a trajectory that looks like a drive shot… Turned out to be just as good as expected?
    24AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:52
    If it weren't for Moriyasu he'd have been called up for the World Cup
    The squad building and pecking order are a mess
    33AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:58
    Re: #24
    Since the team was built player-led, he can't make major changes to the roster
    He just has to hope the established core players recover if they get injured
    Though he did bring in new forwards, Goto and Shiogai
    26AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:52
    Feels like even when a Japanese player scores in the Netherlands, the crowd stays cold
    Ueda never got credit no matter how well he did and kept getting criticized — maybe there's some deep-rooted prejudice there
    32AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:57
    Re: #26
    Still way better than Italy or Spain
    41AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:06
    Re: #22
    I'm a casual fan, but isn't the older brother supposed to be Japan's best right now?
    Saying this one's even better is exciting though
    45AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:09
    Re: #41
    In the first place, even I've been saying for ages on Geisupo (this board, a hotbed of right-wing netizens) that the guy nicknamed Umifune — now going by Heju — is better than Zubimendi, y'know?
    42AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:07
    Re: #6
    The Dutch league level is way too low 🥺

    1st: England (Premier League)
    2nd: Spain
    3rd: Germany
    4th: Italy
    5th: France
    6th: England 2nd tier (Championship)
    7th: Belgium
    8th: Brazil
    9th: Portugal
    10th: USA (MLS)
    11th: Argentina
    12th: Denmark
    13th: Poland
    14th: Turkey
    15th: Netherlands 👈
    16th: Croatia
    17th: Germany 2nd tier
    18th: Japan
    19th: Switzerland
    20th: Spain 2nd tier

    Re: #1
    57AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:16
    Re: #42
    Latest ranking has the Netherlands at 15th, but the J.League's at 13th
    44AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:09
    That was a nasty shot
    If the Sano brothers stay fully fit, Japan's defensive midfield spot is set for the next 10 years
    51AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:12
    Re: #44
    The Tanaka brothers are better
    46AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:09
    The match ball in the Dutch league is lighter than in other leagues, apparently
    Supposedly it carries more and is easier to put spin on
    50AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:12
    Re: #46
    Wait, the ball isn't standardized across Europe? For real? ("chincha" — Korean net slang for "really?")
    49AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:11
    A rugged kind of handsome, different from Nakamura's type
    If he becomes a regular for the national team he'll probably get popular
    54AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:13
    Re: #49
    Tough sell since he looks like his brother Kaishu Sano
    61AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:21
    There's also a third brother who plays defender
    Still in high school though
    73AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:28
    Re: #61
    The Sano Three Crows! lol, awesome (a "sanba-garasu" — a Japanese idiom for an elite trio)
    95AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:43
    Re: #61
    The two older brothers did geta training (practicing in traditional wooden sandals to sharpen balance/technique) — wonder if the third one does too
    66AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:23
    Re: #59
    Didn't get the sense he was a non-factor at the World Cup either
    Kaishu carried it in solo against Brazil and scored
    71AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:27
    Nice, but that's a keeper error
    100AnonymousSep 14, 2026 09:53
    Re: #71
    It's a shot that bounced right in front of him on a slippery pitch — that's not a keeper error lol

    Background and Points of Debate

    Kota Sano’s older brother, Kaishu Sano, plays a defensive role for the Japan national team, which puts Kota in a position where he’s often compared to a player of the same type. In this thread too, comments about the gap in ability between the brothers stood out, but that’s a topic rooted in their family relationship and should be read separately from an evaluation of each player’s individual ability. The other point of contention is the standing of the Eredivisie — commenters cited a ranking from a private website, but that’s just one metric, not an official standard for determining superiority over the J.League. Opinions were also divided on how local supporters react to Japanese players, and it’s worth keeping in mind that this reflects impressions on 5channel rather than the actual tone of local reporting.

    ※This article is compiled as an excerpt/summary from the 5channel (Geinou Sports Sokuho+) thread “[Soccer] PSV’s Kota Sano scores first goal since transfer with a stunning long-range strike! Full start for 5th straight match, dramatic go-ahead goal leads team to 5 straight wins.”

  • Subbed in at the 72nd minute but couldn’t make an impact — Kubo Takefusa’s Sociedad crushed 0-3 by Atlético

    In La Liga action, Real Sociedad suffered a lopsided 0-3 defeat to Atlético Madrid. Kubo Takefusa made his first appearance in two matches, coming on in the 71st minute with the score still level, but couldn’t make a notable impact. On 5channel, discussion centered on whether the substitution timing was justified, along with a cited article claiming Kubo’s market value has plunged from €60 million to the €20 million range in just over six months — sparking a mix of harsh criticism and defense of the player.

    Not enough time on the pitch! Kubo Takefusa returns from a one-match absence but fails to make his mark… Sociedad fall 0-3 to Atlético

    Soccer Digest Web Editorial Team

    September 14, 2026

    Source: soccerdigestweb.com / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:46
    Kubo starts on the bench
    Up to the 71st minute: Sociedad 0-0 Atlético

    Kubo comes on at the 71st minute
    Final score: Sociedad 0-3 Atlético

    Sociedad had the edge with Kubo on the bench, but
    once Kubo came on in the 71st minute, Sociedad fell apart and conceded 3 goals…
    5AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:47
    Re: #2
    Once they let the "stomach cancer" guy on (a jab usually aimed at Lee Kang-in), Atlético's goals came gushing out like ketchup
    15AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:50
    Re: #2
    Kubo's Law is no joke
    It's funny how Sociedad get weaker or stronger literally depending on whether Kubo's on the pitch or not
    37AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:59
    Re: #2
    Guess whenever Kubo's on the pitch is basically prime scoring time for the other team lol
    4AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:47
    "Not enough time" is just because he hasn't produced results so far
    If he wants to turn things around from here, he needs to actually deliver in whatever time he gets
    6AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:47
    Think he can catch up to Lee Kang-in?
    21AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:53
    Re: #6
    Re: #9



    Lee Kang-in's also comfortably his team's lowest-rated player all on his own, so no need to worry
    25AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:55
    Re: #21
    Back in their Mallorca days, Kubo and Lee Kang-in were starting together — what a miracle duo that was.
    8AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:48
    Kubo abandons his spot on the right and drifts over to the left

    That instantly wrecks Sociedad's balance and they concede 3 goals

    Kubo ditching his position hurts his teammates too — it's honestly a nasty habit
    9AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:48
    Don't worry about it, big bro Kang-in's just on another level
    11AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:49
    Re: #5
    Once Kubo came on, Atlético's goals came pouring in like ketchup
    13AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:50
    Rotated out two matches running, lol
    14AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:50
    Think about it for a second — a player supposedly worth €60 million is too precious to risk playing, right?
    19AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:52
    Re: #14
    Kubo's nowhere near worth that now
    His value's crashed to a third of that

    "From €60 million to €20 million" — Kubo Takefusa's nine goalless months
    https://qoly.jp/Topics/17863564
    23AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:54
    Re: #19
    Kubo's value still looks like it's got further to fall
    Even €10 million would be overpaying
    16AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:51
    Just bring David Silva back already, the midfield's a mess
    17AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:51
    Uh, they conceded 3 goals in that supposedly "too short" stretch
    18AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:52
    They were saying the lineup wouldn't change even four years from now
    34AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:58
    Re: #18 
    Of course it's changing, it's a team that hasn't accomplished anything — not like the guys who beat Germany and Spain eight years ago
    20AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:52
    The honest assessment right now is he's just not worth playing big minutes
    22AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:53
    I get the impression this guy rarely plays a full 90 — does he lack stamina?
    24AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:55
    Re: #22
    You can't sub off an important player, right? That's basically it
    27AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:56
    All I picture is him fiddling around with the ball and eventually losing it
    29AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:57
    I always think about this — with soccer players, one or two matches can flip their evaluation from heaven to hell. Isn't there any concept of taking the long view?
    30AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:57
    Isn't La Liga just too tough for him at this point? He'd have an easier time in the Bundesliga, where basically any Japanese player can succeed
    31AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:57
    So basically Take(fusa) got totally outclassed by big bro Kang-in, huh. Quite the gap's opened up
    33AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:58
    Counting from last season, he's now hit 10 straight league matches without a goal or assist. All eyes on whether he can beat Honda's 15-match streak from his Milan days
    72AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:15
    Re: #33
    After that it's Kagawa's Man United streak next, huh
    84AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:19
    Is the manager just not a fan of him?
    90AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:22
    Re: #84
    He's the manager who took over partway through last season, so he's simply figured out exactly what kind of player Kubo is
    It's not about liking or disliking him — it's whether he's usable or not
    97AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:24
    There are people losing it over Lee Kang-in starting
    Probably the same guys who spend all day bashing Oyarzabal
    103AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:29
    Re: #97
    Wasn't it wild that big bro Kang-in kept starting even after Julián came back? Though it looks like Julián's out again
    108AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:30
    He should move to the Bundesliga — he doesn't have the physicality for the Premier League anyway
    109AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:31
    Re: #108
    Even the Bundesliga's a stretch
    The Netherlands would be more realistic for now
    113AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:34
    Re: #108
    Kubo doesn't have anywhere near the running quality or quantity needed to get minutes in the Bundesliga

    Background and points of debate

    Until this summer, Kubo Takefusa was valued at around €60 million, but according to an article cited within the thread, he’s gone without a goal for nine months and his market value has dropped to roughly a third of that. In La Liga, evaluation standards tend to shift every time a manager changes, so judging a player’s form purely by minutes played can be premature. The thread split between results-driven criticism — “he fell apart in the brief time he got” — and defenses along the lines of “he’s still one of the most accomplished Japanese players out there.” Worth noting: the specific size of the reported drop in market value comes from the cited article’s own estimate, not an official club announcement.

    *This article is compiled as excerpts and a summary from the 5channel (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Soccer] Subbed on at 72 minutes — not enough time! Kubo Takefusa returns from a one-match absence but fails to make his mark… Sociedad fall 0-3 to Atlético.”

  • Overseas Retailer Claims Zelda Pre-Orders Are 120x GTA6’s — Fans Stunned

    A post on 5ch’s hardware/industry board blew up after Wakkap, a major European game retailer, tweeted a comparison of daily pre-order numbers for GTA6 and the new Zelda title, claiming “Zelda’s pre-orders are 120 times GTA6’s.” On US Amazon, Zelda topped the games category and passed 100,000 units within days of pre-orders opening, while GTA6 reportedly failed to even crack the download-card rankings over the same period. Thread posters debated whether the comparison was fair, noting that GTA6’s console packaging is said to be a paper download-code voucher rather than a disc — making it harder for retailers to track real pre-order numbers — and that the PC version’s release date is still unannounced, meaning the tally only covers PS5 and Xbox. Opinions were split.

    Anyone have data comparing daily pre-order numbers for GTA6 and Zelda? I’d like to see it.

    ↓

    ■Wakkap (major European game retailer)

    Source: x.com / original post here

    9AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:29
    Zelda's got more momentum than GTA did when ITS pre-orders opened, even on US Amazon.

    It's #1 in games and hit 100k pre-orders within a few days.
    GTA6 never even beat the download cards at its peak, so it couldn't take the top spot, and it still hasn't hit 100k.
    12AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:31
    Re: #9
    Even in Japan Zelda's pre-orders are clearly ahead, so it looks like Zelda's on top in Japan, the US, AND Europe 🥺
    15AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:32
    Re: #9
    Is it really giving off "Zelda's gonna outsell it" vibes?
    10AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:30
    Maybe the code-package thing is so bad that people are just pre-ordering through Sony's own store ("Sonisuto" — 5ch slang for PlayStation's direct store) instead, so retailers can't get an accurate count?
    88AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:59
    Re: #10
    If you're buying it for the discount anyway, isn't the paper version cheaper?
    11AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:30
    The "key paper" (a box that just contains a download code) probably isn't getting as many pre-orders as expected.
    16AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:33
    Re: #11
    Apparently there were a ton of pre-order cancellations over the whole paper-slip-instead-of-disc fiasco.
    22AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:34
    Re: #11
    That paper's trash the second you use it — it's not even a reusable key…
    56AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:46
    Re: #11
    It's not like a "key" you can reuse.
    It's more like a one-time redemption slip — use it once and it's done.
    23AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:36
    > That GTA6 paper scrap
    Bit harsh lol (´・ω・`) < That "paper scrap" is YOUR product, buddy lol lol
    28AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:37
    Re: #23
    Retailers probably don't want to sell a paper slip with a time bomb attached 😄
    Sony's ditching physical anyway, so no point tiptoeing around it anymore.
    31AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:38
    Well it's basically "why would you buy the digital version in a box? You won't even be able to download it right at midnight!" (´・ω・`)
    A physical release can't beat Ocarina of Time (OoT) at that game.
    37AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:39
    Re: #31
    This physical copy arrives early so you can play right at midnight.
    32AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:38
    Is photorealism getting old faster than expected?
    38AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:39
    Re: #32
    Isn't the bigger issue that it's a downgraded 30fps version?
    35AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:39
    GTA will sell fine, just as a digital copy.
    If it's just a key-paper box there's no reason to buy the physical version, so retailers probably want to trash-talk it.
    42AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:40
    Re: #35
    More like the PC version, not just digital.
    Without physical packaging, not many people bother buying it on console anyway.
    45AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:42
    GTA6 overall will probably outsell the Ocarina of Time remake, but only once the PC version is out.

    With just PS5 and Xbox, it might lose.
    50AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:43
    Re: #45
    Exactly this.
    Most of GTA6's sales will be on PC too.
    47AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:42
    They said GTA6 already passed 5 million pre-orders on PS5 alone, so I guess Zelda's at 600 million copies then?
    Amazing.
    53AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:45
    Re: #47
    No way the retailer has data on digital pre-orders.
    This has to just be a comparison of physical pre-orders that went through this one retailer.
    49AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:43
    Re: #42
    Even the PC version's probably going to need some serious specs to hit 60fps+.
    52AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:44
    Re: #49
    Even setting fps aside, the difference between modded and unmodded is huge.
    60AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:48
    Maybe it's not just me — a lot of people worldwide are going "huh?" about GTA.

    There might genuinely be some backlash from GTA5 having sold TOO much (they were giving it away for free lol).
    I don't think a game that's purely about violence like GTA5 is really something the general public wants that badly.
    If you actually play GTA5, the quests themselves are way more boring than you'd expect.

    But the "units sold" number alone is insane, so it gets attention regardless — I watched the trailer too, of course,
    and the realism in that footage really is impressive.
    But maybe that's just not translating into actual purchases.
    90AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:01
    Re: #60
    America had real riots during COVID — it was basically real-life GTA already.
    The price is high too, maybe the generational handoff just isn't going smoothly.
    98AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:07
    Re: #60
    Expectations for GTA6 have probably been hyped up way too much.
    I mean, a new GTA IS genuinely a big deal, but there was this whole "even people who've never played GTA should play this one, it's mandatory!" vibe going around.
    67AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:50
    50,000 followers on a gaming account?
    That's rare.
    Must be a pretty big player.
    70AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:51
    Re: #67
    Didn't know there was a retailer that big in Europe.
    72AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:51
    Also saw someone overseas analyzing GTA's 100+ million units sold as: "it's been out since the PS3 era, so there are probably people who keep rebuying it every generation."

    That could actually be a big factor.
    One person might've bought it on PS3, rebought it on PS4, then rebought it AGAIN on PS5 (or PC).
    If so, the actual number of unique users could be way smaller than it looks.
    73AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:52
    Re: #72
    It was even given away for free at times.
    Even if you already own it on another platform, you'd grab a free copy.
    75AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:53
    Well, this is probably temporary.
    After all, GTA6 is supposedly doing 50 million units in its first week.


    Latest entry in the series, "Grand Theft Auto VI," may hit 50-million-unit sales in its first week — market research firm releases sales forecast based on pre-order data
    https://doope.jp/2026/07168184.html
    77AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:53
    Re: #75
    If someone's seriously saying this, they've completely lost it.
    81AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:55
    Is there a chance GTA never even recoups its development costs?
    97AnonymousSep 14, 2026 08:07
    Re: #81
    How many times Concord's budget would GTA's dev costs be, I wonder. (Concord — the PS5 game infamous for flopping hard and getting pulled from sale)
    83AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:55
    Even saying GTA5 "sold a lot," the real question is what percentage of buyers actually paid full price.
    85AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:57
    Re: #83
    Most people probably bought it on sale 😀
    84AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:56
    That kind of gap might show up in Japan, but overseas GTA ("Auto Seft" — a garbled 5ch nickname for the series) will still sell.
    87AnonymousSep 14, 2026 07:58
    Re: #84
    Even overseas, it's questionable whether GTA beats Zelda once you exclude the PC version.
    And the PC version — the one that actually matters — still has no release date; this comparison is only PS5 and Xbox.

    Background and key points of this discussion

    GTA6 was originally slated for a fall 2025 release before being delayed repeatedly, and with rumors of a price tag over $80, it was already a hot topic before launch. That said, the “120 times” figure comes from a single European retailer’s comparison of its own in-house sales data — it isn’t an official global sales forecast or tally, and should be read with that caveat. As pointed out in the thread, GTA6’s console packaging is reportedly a paper voucher for a download code rather than a disc, which likely pushes buyers toward digital or PC purchases and makes it harder for retailers to gauge real sales and pre-order trends. There’s also a view that GTA5’s headline numbers include a large share of copies picked up for free or on sale, meaning raw unit counts alone don’t necessarily reflect true popularity. Underneath it all is a tension unique to the game industry: hype and buzz don’t always translate directly into actual sales strength.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hardware/Industry (Geha)) thread “Major overseas retailer: ‘Zelda’s pre-orders are 120 times GTA6’s’.”

  • Debate Rages Over Why Grace Cut Out Lara’s Tongue — 5ch Asks ‘Why the Tongue?’

    The live-discussion thread for the original anime Goodbye, Lara was buzzing. Based on The Little Mermaid, the show has drawn attention for the “yuri”-tinged relationship between the mermaid Lara and the human girl Mari, but once again this episode offered no clear-cut moment — like a kiss — leaving some fans frustrated. Meanwhile, the reason the other mermaid, Grace, cut out Lara’s tongue was never made clear, sparking a theory-crafting battle in the thread over what really happened. Opinions also split on several other points, including doubts about the producers’ decision to screen the finale early, and questions about why Lake Biwa in Shiga Prefecture was chosen as the setting.

    ◆When starting a new thread, please copy-paste the above ↑ so it forms three lines

    Lara, a mermaid princess, longed for love with a human.

    But——that wish never came true, and she vanished into the sea as foam.

    Source: goodbyelara.com / original article here

    7AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:28
    The people who were desperately denying it was yuri are probably punching their pillows right now out of embarrassment and frustration.
    18AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:35
    If you saw the blushing in episodes 3 and 4, it should've been obvious this was heading toward a Lara/Mari ending.
    But if they're not going to kiss, it's still queerbaiting either way.
    They at least attempted something with Luka and the prince, even if it didn't happen.
    If they're going to drag it out this long, just show us the GL (girls' love) already.
    22AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:36
    Good, sounds like the ending pissed off the obnoxious overseas yuri-obsessives who were behaving badly.
    Apparently she does at least talk to Luka, though.
    29AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:41
    From the vibe of the OP, I thought 'true love' meant agape, but after episode 11 it's just plain romance, huh. Is 'find your mate and the light comes back' really an acceptable answer? Feels way too easy.
    31AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:42
    Re: #29
    What happened to 'true love isn't romantic love'? Way to go, witch, lol
    32AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:43
    Yeah, doing an early screening of the finale was just a bad call.
    41AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:46
    Re: #32
    I really can't understand why they did an early screening of the finale for an original anime.
    If it had been a Japan-only event with strict ID verification, I could at least see the logic.
    36AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:44
    It would've been better to build family love between Gon and Mari while separately having the human and merfolk discover true love — after all, those two (Gon and Mari) are also a human and a merfolk. There's no way Lara and Mari, who just met, could beat what Gon and Mari have.
    42AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:46
    Re: #36
    Yeah, focusing on Mari would've been better.
    She takes in Gon, her mom dies, then she meets a mermaid — that's more dramatic than Lara's arc.
    40AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:46
    'The special princess's light was actually born from contact with a human.'
    'The special princess seemed to be Rigmor, but was actually Grace.'
    If it had gone that way, a lot of things would make sense — but that's not what happened, right? The special princess really is just Rigmor, right?
    47AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:49
    Re: #40
    Since they're twin mermaids, I took it as both of them being the special princess.
    49AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:51
    Re: #42
    Expanding on this episode's ending and making that the main story would've been more interesting, with Grace watching over Mari as she grows up.
    56AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:58
    Re: #49
    That version would've made it easier to portray love too, lol
    58AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:00
    The prince wasn't really a villain either (some of it was just unavoidable given the era). He'll probably just stay a traumatic memory for Lara with no further follow-up.
    60AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:05
    Re: #58
    He's placed so meaningfully in the key visual and the Blu-ray box art — it'd be hilarious if he really was just a plot device after all.
    67AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:16
    I wasn't really paying attention — what was the two of them's dream again?
    69AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:21
    Re: #67
    To see the free, new world of the surface with their own eyes.

    Also, what was up with 'a careless word can be fatal, so I'm cutting out your tongue'? What actually went wrong wasn't a careless word — it was a lack of communication. Just use your words!
    75AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:42
    Lara: 'I drank the potion and got legs!'
    Grace: 'A careless word can be fatal, so I'm cutting out your tongue, lol (that's how it goes in the original fairy tale, but it makes no sense within Goodbye Lara's own story)'
    Lara: 'GYAAH' *snip*
    ↓
    Lara: 'Guess I'm turning into foam and disappearing…'
    Grace: 'Huh, she didn't kill the prince. Interesting.'
    Grace: 'Might as well sew her tongue back on while I'm reviving her (makes no sense)'

    Huh???
    80AnonymousSep 14, 2026 03:13
    If you're going to argue, then explain the dumb turn of events in Re: #75 for me.
    103AnonymousSep 14, 2026 05:21
    Re: #85
    The 'wisdom' of someone who casually drops spoilers, huh.
    105AnonymousSep 14, 2026 05:26
    Re: #103
    If nobody's going to rebut Re: #75, that means I'm right — everyone okay with that?
    110AnonymousSep 14, 2026 05:43
    Including Re: #75, Grace's actions have been incomprehensible this whole time.
    81AnonymousSep 14, 2026 03:27
    The mermaids act like they admire the human world, but isn't it really just that they like 'hot guys'? If there were hot guys in the mermaid world too, it seems like they wouldn't need to admire the human world at all. Are there no men in the mermaid world besides Dad? What do they even do day to day? The worldbuilding of the mermaid realm is way too full of holes.
    84AnonymousSep 14, 2026 03:36
    Re: #81
    Actually, I thought the original Little Mermaid was a story about breaking free from that kind of infatuation, so if the show still fixates on having 'a partner,' isn't it not really any different? That's what I think.
    88AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:13
    I rewatched it and there actually was a proper reason Grace cut out Lara's tongue.
    When Grace tried to explain herself after turning back into a mermaid, she was told, 'Don't use human speech, you hideous monster' — and that's what drove her to stab the prince to death.
    So maybe Lara regretted not being able to get her feelings across, while Grace regretted having said something she shouldn't have.
    89AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:15
    Re: #88
    If she'd just explained things before turning back, she might've avoided the whole kill-or-not situation afterward — so why cut out the tongue at all?
    123AnonymousSep 14, 2026 06:27
    I think Grace cut out Lara's tongue because of her own past failure, combined with having seen Lara's habit of saying the wrong thing. And maybe she gave Lara her tongue back after reviving her simply because she optimistically figured, 'She's already learned the hard way, so she won't slip up again'?

    Or, going by the old woman's line in episode 11, maybe it was some kind of experiment — like, 'If I seal off words as a way to express love, Lara will be forced to convey love through light instead, and maybe that way, true love could still reach a human even in mermaid form.'
    125AnonymousSep 14, 2026 06:30
    Re: #123
    What exactly was Grace's past failure?
    And why would that be a reason to cut out someone's tongue?

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Goodbye, Lara is an original anime based on Andersen’s The Little Mermaid, and ever since it began airing, viewers have been split over whether the relationship between the mermaid and the human girl is meant to be read as friendship or romance. The term “queerbaiting,” which came up repeatedly in the thread, is a piece of critical vocabulary imported from overseas referring to a storytelling technique that hints at a same-sex relationship while avoiding any explicit depiction of it, and in recent years it has also been used to criticize anime works. The point of sharpest disagreement in the thread was the divide between fans who want to enjoy the two characters’ relationship as yuri and those who view it skeptically — though both sides shared the same frustration that neither got a decisive, explicit scene. Meanwhile, the reason Grace cut out Lara’s tongue is never made clear from the main story alone, leaving multiple interpretations coexisting among viewers. It’s worth noting that there’s no official explanation for this — it remains purely fan speculation.

    *This article is composed from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (anime board) thread “Goodbye, Lara #14.”

  • Chiikawa Merch Resold for ¥2 Million — Debate Erupts Over Scalper “Morality”

    A collaboration campaign between sushi chain Kura Sushi and the character Chiikawa was scrapped after fraudulent acquisition of prize items came to light. On flea-market apps, sets of the prizes have gone for tens of thousands of yen, with one listing reportedly fetching ¥2 million, sparking a wave of criticism against resellers online. On the 5ch “Geinou/Sports News+” board, a thread pitted pro-resale posters — who argue “what’s wrong with earning money within the bounds of personal morality?” — against critics who ask “do you really want to take money out of children’s smiles?” Other points raised included the suggestion that companies could prevent this by switching to made-to-order production, along with a counterargument comparing it to drink pricing at izakayas — and the pushback that comparison drew — showing the issue doesn’t break down into simple right and wrong.

    Trading cards, limited-edition goods… Is the resale that never stops actually wrong? Pro side: “Being blamed for earning within the bounds of personal morality is unfair.” Anti side: “Do you want to make money even if it means taking away children’s smiles?”

    Trouble over resale has piled up, including a collaboration campaign between major conveyor-belt sushi chain Kura Sushi and the popular character Chiikawa, which was cancelled after fraud involving the prizes came to light.

    At one point, prize sets were listed on flea-market sites for tens of thousands of yen each, with some going for as much as roughly ¥2 million, drawing a stream of criticism against resellers online.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:31
    Honestly I'd rather watch some Osaka night-skyline channel on YouTube than Peace-kun from Omiya Park (a local mascot) anyway.
    5AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:32
    Reselling is trash, but don't act all noble about "kids' smiles" — you just want it for yourself lol
    6AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:33
    Well, the people who buy at scalper prices aren't exactly innocent either.
    7AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:35
    Re: #1
    That's not a "pro-resale" opinion, that's literally asking a scalper.
    8AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:40
    No way these scalpers are actually filing tax returns on this.
    9AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:41
    Reselling daily necessities should be regulated to some extent, but
    for everything else, do whatever you want

    as long as you properly pay your taxes.
    11AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:41
    Why is Chiikawa the only one getting called out?
    Demon Slayer, One Piece, and Slam Dunk all had terrible resale problems too.
    It's not just the scalpers who are at fault — I'd say Demon Slayer is especially bad since they run bonus campaigns specifically to mobilize scalpers.
    21AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:58
    Re: #11
    Probably because the fanbase is different.
    Even regular housewives who aren't anime otaku jump in, so it spirals out of control.
    12AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:44
    One thing they're right about:
    "if companies don't want their stuff resold, they should just make it made-to-order from the start."
    In a way, you could argue companies are letting scalpers buy up stock to squeeze out extra profit themselves.
    16AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:47
    Re: #12
    They already do that kind of thing.
    It still gets resold anyway.

    An announcement like "We'll be making XX, please place your order" just doesn't spread very far.
    27AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:03
    Re: #12
    If a problem that would solve itself without scalpers ends up costing time, money, and effort — and prices go up anyway — it's the same result either way.
    Customers also end up with the extra hassle of pre-ordering and picking it up, which lowers their motivation to buy.
    A lot of the time, people don't even know if they want something until they actually see it in person.
    32AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:08
    Re: #12
    Honestly, the way JR East handled the commemorative Suica card for Tokyo Station was the best ever.
    Even if it takes a year, they sell to everyone who wants one.
    But then hardcore collectors slap a premium on the earliest version over some tiny difference,
    so that kind of thing is a pain too lol
    13AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:44
    Reselling, theft, and selling lottery tickets with the winning ones removed are three completely different things.
    14AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:45
    It's the company's fault for only producing an amount that can be bought up entirely.
    15AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:46
    Go ahead and dig freebies nobody wants out of the trash and sell them on Mercari lol
    19AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:56
    Chiikawa should just stop doing collabs already
    it's causing needless chaos in society.
    They should just make all the merch made-to-order.
    20AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:57
    Honestly, these guys probably work harder and more honestly than your average salaryman.
    22AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:59
    Not caring about Chiikawa at all makes me the real winner here.
    25AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:03
    People who want it end up paying inflated prices, so
    extra money is bleeding out of the system.
    It's basically a black market at this point.
    The whole idea is supposed to be selling stuff you don't need,
    but instead they're selling hoarded-up demand and even stolen goods.
    26AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:03
    Re: #1
    If you think it's "unfair" to be criticized, go live overseas.
    Japan doesn't need people like you.
    28AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:03
    It's flat-out wrong.
    Making money by just shuffling things from one hand to the other without creating anything — the Japanese spirit has really gotten poor.
    That's exactly what "shameless" (samashii) means, you idiots.
    29AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:03
    Re: #21
    Movie theater bonus giveaways have always mainly targeted moms with kids and students, now and in the past —
    ticket prices are too high and margins too thin to target middle-aged guys.

    There are even moms who drag their sick, coughing kid to the theater just for the bonus item.
    I once sat behind a kid coughing the whole movie and thought, what an awful mother.
    30AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:06
    I wanted a Switch 1,
    went to buy one, and they had the Switch 2
    but no Switch 1 in stock.
    Then on YouTube I saw piles and piles
    of unsold Switch 1 units stacked in the corner of someone's room
    and got furious.
    Apparently it was a scalper's room and they failed to sell them —
    said something about the condition being bad.
    34AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:13
    From the company's perspective, it's not really
    a problem since it clears their inventory
    — scalpers buy stuff that wouldn't sell otherwise.
    35AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:13
    Even without Mercari, people would just sell elsewhere — as long as the internet exists, nothing's going to change.
    36AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:16
    Wouldn't things change quite a bit if Mercari alone just disappeared?
    41AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:28
    This is supposed to be basically buying and selling stuff you don't need anymore, right?
    So why does it end up several times the retail price?
    79AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:46
    Re: #41
    That's simple —
    because there are people willing to buy it.
    44AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:35
    "Personal morality"

    what exactly does this guy's morality even look like?
    46AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:37
    Re: #44
    If he had any, he wouldn't be scalping in the first place lol
    51AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:48
    They're doing this to skim spare change off consumers, so of course they're going to get criticized for it.
    Did they seriously expect to be praised?
    55AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:51
    Re: #51
    "This is a legitimate job" (said with a totally straight face)
    well then go ahead and put your name and address out there…
    69AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:12
    It's a tricky issue, but
    take something like chuhai or beer at an izakaya — when you get down to it, that's reselling at a marked-up price too.
    They're basically just buying up cans from convenience stores or supermarkets and pouring the contents into a mug or glass.
    It's not like they're brewing that stuff themselves from scratch.

    Selling goods is basically reselling at its core.
    As long as you report the income if you're doing it as a side business, isn't that within the realm of morality?
    77AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:37
    Re: #69
    >They're basically just buying up cans from convenience stores or supermarkets and pouring the contents into a mug or glass.
    Even an elementary schooler wouldn't come up with that one.
    80AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:48
    Re: #69
    If they want to, consumers can just buy that same chuhai or beer cheaply at the supermarket
    that's the difference.
    A scalper's profit comes from breaking the supply-demand balance through artificial supply restriction.
    Reselling as a business means snatching up supply meant to be offered at a fair service price, through methods the supplier never anticipated, and profiting by reselling it at a jacked-up price.
    71AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:15
    Re: #1
    Scalpers are a worldwide thing, after all.

    74AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:23
    Mercari should require linking to your My Number card
    more work for the tax office, but that's a good thing.
    81AnonymousSep 14, 2026 04:48
    Re: #74
    That's already been linked for ages lol

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    On the subject of resale, the unauthorized resale of concert tickets is regulated by law, but there is generally no law banning the resale of “goods” themselves, such as merchandise or trading cards. The line between legal and illegal is drawn by whether other crimes are involved — such as selling stolen goods or pulling only the winning tickets out of a lottery. In the thread, the phrase “within the bounds of morality” was often used to lump plain resale together with theft- or fraud-like behavior, which is one reason the discussion had trouble converging. Flea-market apps have already been rolling out identity-verification and tax-tracking measures, such as linking accounts to My Number cards, but as long as suppliers keep quantities limited at the fixed retail price, structural pressure means resale that exploits the supply-demand gap won’t disappear on its own. As for the opinion that companies should switch to made-to-order production, it’s easy to overlook that this isn’t such a simple fix, given the difficulty of forecasting demand and the fact that many consumers only decide they want something after seeing the actual product in a store.

    ※This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “Chiikawa, trading cards, limited-edition goods… Is the resale that never stops actually wrong? Pro side: “Being blamed for earning within the bounds of personal morality is unfair”“.

  • Nozomi Tsuji Reveals Massive Cockroach Infestation at Home — 5ch: “See One, Assume There Are 50”

    Talent Nozomi Tsuji (39) revealed on her YouTube channel that her home has been overrun by cockroaches. The confession came right after she talked about her fifth child, little Yumeku, turning one year old, with Tsuji sighing that there are “an insane number of them.” On 5ch, threads lit up with theories about entry points — air conditioner drain hoses and the soil in potted plants — plus heated debates over which pest-control product works better, Black Cap or Mu-ender, with some posters even weighing in on the differences between German cockroaches and smoky-brown/black cockroaches.

    Nozomi Tsuji wry-laughs over a “G” infestation at home: “There are so many of them… though thankfully not the huge kind” (“G” is a common Japanese euphemism for cockroach)

    Talent Nozomi Tsuji (39) updated her YouTube channel by the 13th, with a segment where she griped about a cockroach infestation at her home.

    That same day marked her fifth child, little Yumeku’s, first birthday. She expressed her surprise: “She’d been crying every single day for about the past week to ten days, but yesterday she didn’t cry! The moment she turned one, she just stopped crying!”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:10
    In a modern house they shouldn't be showing up unless you're leaving doors and windows wide open.
    15AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:20
    Maybe the place next door or upstairs/downstairs has turned into a hoarder house.
    16AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:21
    Apparently they get in through the AC unit's drain hose.
    17AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:21
    Black Cap is the best~ by the way, mine was left over from last year and it still worked fine this year.
    21AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:24
    Isn't Black Cap the kind where the roaches actually come and eat it? I switched to Mu-ender and haven't seen a single one since.
    22AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:24
    Got a pet lizard and it just eats them for me, lol
    24AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:30
    Hoping for a Creepshow-style ending here (the horror anthology film with the infamous roach-swarm segment)
    25AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:30
    Black Cap only works on the big ones.
    The small ones don't even give it a second look.
    27AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:32
    German cockroaches are no joke.
    Once they build a nest somewhere out of sight, it's completely out of your hands.
    29AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:33
    There really are a lot of big ones this year.
    31AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:34
    Re: #29
    Mine are all small ones.
    I've got Black Cap traps everywhere and it's doing absolutely nothing.
    30AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:34
    At my place, once my cat got old and stopped moving around much, they exploded in number.
    32AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:35
    Re: #23
    A roach that eats the Black Cap poison heads back to the nest and dies there.
    Then the other roaches eat that poisoned corpse and die too — it's a chain reaction.
    33AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:37
    They show up if you're not keeping things clean.
    Eventually you'll get a masked palm civet wandering in too (a raccoon-like animal common in Japan).
    34AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:39
    I've heard that eggs sometimes get mixed into the soil of potted plants or flowers.
    35AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:43
    It was brutally hot this year, so the German cockroaches outside came indoors for the comfortable temperature — it's been rough.
    I've dropped a ton of Black Cap but still haven't wiped them out.
    37AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:46
    Lately that spray-type one with the two AKB members in the commercial seems to work well.
    Also the one Koji Yamamoto advertises.
    38AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:47
    > Nozomi Tsuji (39)
    First time in my life I've ever heard that name. Stop starting self-promo threads for some talent.
    39AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:47
    If you spot one G, you should assume there are 50 more hiding somewhere.
    43AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:51
    Re: #39
    I've caught over 100 with roach traps this year alone…
    so does that mean there are over 5,000 of them?
    40AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:47
    Put boric acid balls in every corner of the room and you'll stop seeing them.
    Replacing them once every 3 years is plenty.
    44AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:54
    If there's a baby in the house, they've probably already settled in for the long haul.
    47AnonymousSep 14, 2026 01:59
    Just scatter some Mu-ender around and they'll be gone in no time.
    51AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:05
    The big black ones are actually the lesser evil.
    German cockroaches are the ones that show up wherever there's food lying around or it's unsanitary.
    52AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:09
    If they're not the big kind, you're done for.
    Once German cockroaches take hold, that's it — there are hundreds of them.
    Black cockroaches are basically solitary, so they look gross, but in most cases killing that one is the end of it.
    53AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:12
    Re: #41
    lol
    Why are you doing that in a park?
    55AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:21
    Mu-ender definitely works, but it feels hit-or-miss — like not every one of the 40 in the pack actually does the job.
    56AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:22
    Re: #36
    It's not even hot this year, is it?
    64AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:45
    Re: #56
    Don't underestimate how hot it gets south of the Tokai region.
    60AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:32
    Re: #1
    Just hire a renovation contractor and have them do a thorough extermination.
    62AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:38
    Having pets limits your cockroach countermeasures, but there's probably something out there if you look.
    63AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:40
    At my place too, three rice-grain-sized baby roaches showed up just yesterday.
    Guess it's just that time of year.
    70AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:55
    GACKT once said that after spotting a G in his room, he thought, "Ah, so this is your place," and moved out immediately.
    71AnonymousSep 14, 2026 02:56
    Re: #70
    He says it all cool and collected, but he was probably scared out of his mind, lol
    74AnonymousSep 14, 2026 03:02
    Hasn't Black Cap stopped working as well since around last year?
    Guess it's Mu-ender's time now.
    78AnonymousSep 14, 2026 03:29
    Re: #74
    If you're using boric-acid-ball type products, try rotating between different manufacturers' versions, and if that still doesn't work, switch to Mu-ender…
    79AnonymousSep 14, 2026 03:32
    Does Mu-ender work on fruit flies too? Those things are the one bug I truly can't forgive.
    80AnonymousSep 14, 2026 03:47
    Re: #79
    There's a product called Kobae Mu-ender made specifically for fruit flies.
    81AnonymousSep 14, 2026 03:49
    Re: #79
    For fruit flies, those electric zapper things work pretty well.
    Though they don't do anything against mosquitoes, lol

    Background and Talking Points

    Black Cap and Mu-ender are both bait-style products laced with insecticide: a roach that eats the bait returns to the nest and dies there, and other roaches that then feed on the poisoned corpse die too, letting the effect spread gradually through the colony — a mechanism some posters in the thread pointed out themselves. Opinions split over whether the products’ effectiveness is fading: some say they’ve used them for years and they still work, while others noted they’re effective on the larger black cockroaches but struggle against German cockroaches, which breed in large colonies. The disagreement over “it’s hot this year” versus “it’s not that hot” also came down to regional differences, like whether you live south of the Tokai region. Worth remembering: entry points like air conditioner drain hoses and the soil of potted plants are easy to overlook.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Entertainment/Sports News+) thread “[Celebrity] Nozomi Tsuji wry-laughs over a “G” infestation at home: “There are so many of them… though thankfully not the huge kind”.”

  • PSVR2 Gets a Massive ¥19,000 Price Cut — 5ch: ‘The Original Price Was Just Too High’

    Sony’s VR headset the “PlayStation VR2” is being sold at a ¥19,000 discount, and the news became a hot topic on 5ch’s Hardware/Industry (“Geha”) board. Even after the cut, it’s still a pricey ¥47,980, and the thread saw a string of complaints about issues beyond the price tag — the thin lineup of compatible games, experiences with first-gen PSVR units falling apart from hydrolysis, and frustration with the wired connection. Some replies did touch on leftover stock of the Horizon bundle, praise for VR as an arcade-style experience, and hopes for the next-gen headset, but overall the thread leaned more toward sober price-checking than genuine excitement.

    2AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:17

    3AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:18
    I wouldn't want this thing even if you paid me.
    4AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:19
    The Horizon bundle is still sitting on shelves… not even funny at this point.
    8AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:22
    'Year One of VR' — please hurry up and get here already!! (a running joke phrase for VR's long-promised breakthrough year)
    9AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:22
    They still have stock? They basically stopped manufacturing these right after launch.
    10AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:22
    It's been about 10 years since VR's 'Year One' and it still hasn't caught on.
    12AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:22
    What would you even buy it for? There's seriously nothing to play on it.
    14AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:22
    There were people out there actually claiming this thing had value.
    15AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:23
    Sony itself dropped VR almost instantly, exactly like everyone predicted.
    16AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:23
    Can you play real mahjong with this thing?
    48AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:47
    Re: #16
    Apparently you can.
    But you also need a separately-sold adapter.
    18AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:24
    These have been collecting dust forever, so when you buy one, make sure to check the box isn't yellowed, sun-faded, or dirty. 😎
    20AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:25
    This is part of retailers' campaign to clear out PlayStation stock.
    They must really want it gone.
    21AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:25
    VR will get its real 'Year One' with the PS6. 😉
    22AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:25
    Maybe this is meant to steal some thunder from a rival VR headset announcement around TGS.
    Though you still need a separately-sold adapter to use it on PC.
    23AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:26
    I wish they'd discount the PlayStation Portal instead.
    24AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:27
    Even with a discount this big… the fact that literally nobody's buying it says it all, huh…
    25AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:27
    PSVR lol
    Oh right, that existed too.
    28AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:29
    I think they're both junk, but the Portal probably sold because it's cheap.
    You're better off just buying whatever they both ripped off in the first place.
    29AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:29
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA🤣🌱 lolololololol

    So even as clearance stock, nobody wants it, huh 😂 FAAAAAAAAH lolololol
    34AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:34
    They're not even making these anymore, right?
    It's basically a worse version of the Meta Quest — no idea why they even bothered making it.
    37AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:36
    Re: #34
    Yeah, they pulled the plug on production really early 😭 c'mon, Sony ('Chony,' a mocking nickname for Sony used in these threads)…

    Way too fast a retreat 😂
    36AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:35
    It sells decently whenever there's a sale, or rather…
    at this point it only sells during sales.
    45AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:45
    Re: #36
    So basically it's the same situation as the Spla Raiders bundle? 🤔
    52AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:50
    Wait, this thing is wired?
    That's just dumb.
    89AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:07
    Re: #52
    Because Sony doesn't have the technical chops for it.
    58AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:52
    A lot of the used PSVR1 units on the market these days are falling apart from hydrolysis,
    so it's scary to buy unless they've actually fixed that.
    65AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:54
    Re: #58
    I took apart the padding that gets gross and sticky
    and peeled off all the adhesive tape.
    Do that and it's still clean and usable.
    70AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:56
    Even with the ¥19,000 discount it's still ¥47,980.
    The original price was just too high.
    82AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:02
    Re: #70
    Lol, it's pricier than I expected.
    If they're really trying to clear out inventory, it'll probably drop further.
    72AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:57
    By the way, didn't D3 have a game in development with a name like 'Dokudami-sou'? Did that ever actually come out?
    105AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:15
    Re: #72
    If you mean 'Shiawase-sou,' it did come out, but it was made for the original PSVR, so you can't play it on this one.
    And since you can't play Summer Lesson either — probably the best-selling game exclusive to the original PSVR — that kind of demand just isn't there for this.
    94AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:09
    Quest 4 or Steam Frame, huh.
    97AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:11
    Re: #94
    Steam Frame doesn't support color passthrough either, so it's just as much junk as this thing.
    96AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:10
    Can you use it for, you know, 'adult purposes'?
    103AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:13
    Re: #96
    Probably if you hook it up to a PC, but I think the dedicated adapter needed for that was priced like a total rip-off.
    100AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:12
    Even with VR, being stuck sitting in one spot really kills the immersion.
    And when you move your character around, the sensory mismatch is awful and makes you motion sick.
    Honestly, I don't think VR is actually that well-suited to home console games.
    108AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:17
    Re: #100
    Well, on home hardware it's less 'reality' and more just stereoscopic 3D.
    It's pretty fun at VR arcades/experience centers though.
    VR messes up your hair and makeup and limits what shoes you can wear, so I think it should be treated more like a sports/amusement activity than anything else.
    101AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:13
    Lately the original PSVR has become a regular in the junk bin at Hard Off. (a used-electronics store chain)
    106AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:16
    Re: #101
    Actually I own one, and the hydrolysis damage is so bad it looks like it's falling apart…

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    The PlayStation VR2 is a PS5-exclusive VR headset released in 2023, and production is reported to have been scaled back early on, so this discount looks less like resumed manufacturing and more like inventory clearance. Opinions on VR itself were split in the thread. Skeptics argued that “staying seated in one spot kills the immersion” and that “it doesn’t really mesh well with home console games,” while others held out hope that “the PS6 will bring VR’s real Year One.” One point that’s easy to overlook is the compatibility wall: using it on a PC requires a separately-sold adapter, and because of the thin software lineup, popular titles made for the original PSVR can’t be played on this one as-is. Experience with the original headset degrading from hydrolysis was also cited as a reason to hesitate before buying. While the size of the discount tends to grab all the attention, it’s worth noting that commenters pointed to the high original price and the shortage of playable games as the underlying problems.

    *This article was compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hardware/Industry, “Geha”) board thread “[Good News] PSVR2 Gets a Massive ¥19,000 Fire-Sale Discount”.

  • PS5 Has No ‘Signature New IP,’ Say 5ch Users: ‘We Even Invented the Unit “One Concord”‘

    PS5 will enter its sixth year since launch in 2026, but gaming media have pointed out that, unlike previous PlayStation hardware, there’s no new title that can be called “the game synonymous with this console” — and the topic blew up on 5ch’s console-war (geha) board. The original article cites titles like PS1’s Ape Escape and Crash Bandicoot, and PS4’s Horizon Zero Dawn, and notes that in the PS5 generation there’s even a case of a game that took 8 years to develop only to shut down its service two weeks after launch. In the thread, discussion centered on how Astro Bot, which won Game of the Year, is actually the third entry in its series rather than a new IP; how the disastrous flop of the big multiplayer title Concord kept getting joked about as “the face of PS5”; counterarguments that Nintendo similarly has few new IPs; and pointers that gacha games like Genshin Impact are effectively what’s propping up the PS5 install base.

    2026 marks a full six years since the PS5 launched.

    Every past PlayStation console had a new IP you could point to and say “this is the game that defines this hardware.”

    For the PS1 it was Ape Escape and Crash Bandicoot; for the PS4 it was Horizon Zero Dawn.

    Source: hashout.jp / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:37
    Astro Bot, the GOTY winner, isn't a new IP
    That's the third entry in the series
    17AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:52
    Re: #2
    And on top of that it's trash that bombed at only 1.5 million copies
    4AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:40
    Naughty Dog: "Just wait and see."
    5AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:42
    PS1: Ape Escape (series ended)
    PS2: God of War
    PS3: Uncharted (series ended)
    PS4: Horizon
    PS5: Marathon
    8AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:43
    Re: #5
    Marathon is actually an IP with quite a bit of history
    I still think Concord is the true face of PS5
    7AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:43
    Concord was supposed to become Sony's flagship — that's literally what they officially said. Which means Sony is finished.
    9AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:44
    Honestly, I kind of seriously think it's Concord
    10AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:45
    Concord is unprecedented trash — on a level where you could genuinely call it "the face of PS5," right?
    We even ended up with a console-war unit of measurement called "one Concord"
    12AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:47
    In a way, Concord did carve itself into memory and history
    13AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:50
    Re: #8
    Yeah, I feel like Marathon doesn't really fit
    15AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:51
    Astro Bot actually came out the year before last
    Seriously nobody's playing it, so it never comes up in conversation
    16AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:52
    Eight years in development and it's over in two weeks — what is it, a cicada? (a jab referencing how cicadas spend years underground only to live a couple of weeks once they emerge)
    18AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:53
    The free pack-in title ('Da-man'?) apparently 'sold' 20 million copies since it ships with every console, so cut it some slack
    20AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:53
    Wait, is this actually a 'please recommend me a fun PS5 game' thread lol
    21AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:53
    Wild that it won GOTY and Astro still has zero buzz
    22AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:53
    Nintendo's lineup is also nothing but sequels, remakes, and remasters —
    they don't have some amazing signature new IP either
    So is it 'only Sony sucks, only Sony's the villain' again?
    29AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:57
    Re: #22
    Ring Fit Adventure, 15 million copies♥
    A social phenomenon♥
    23AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:54
    Ghost of Yōtei is apparently the only one that sold pretty well
    24AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:54
    It pioneered a whole new genre called 'Concordian,' didn't it?!
    43AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:02
    Re: #24
    How would you even know, how would you even know — Cordian, Cordian
    25AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:55
    Re: #1
    It was already gone back in the PS2/PS3 era, so that's just how PlayStation is (´・ω・`)
    37AnonymousSep 13, 2026 13:59
    HD-2D keeps cranking out hit after hit in the 3-million-unit class,
    and it's fast and cheap to make too

    Sony, stuck obsessing over high-end graphics games, isn't reading where the industry is heading
    46AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:06
    Re: #37
    So you're saying only cheap, quick-to-make, profitable games should get made,
    and everything should just turn into that kind of game?
    Is that really what people on the player side want?
    That's a weird take
    54AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:10
    Concord's already a hall-of-famer, and Tokon (Marvel Tokon: Fighting Souls) looks like a pretty promising rookie too
    60AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:14
    Re: #54
    MARVEL: "I'll wreck you"

    For what it's worth, here's the stream of the tournament final for an EVO France 2026 qualifying spot

    57AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:11
    What are you talking about?
    Sony has plenty of powerful IPs
    58AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:11
    Speaking of PS5, Genshin Impact
    People say that all the time lol
    59AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:13
    Up until now third parties made up for first party's shortcomings, but all those third parties have been snatched away by the Switch 2 (´・ω・`)
    62AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:16
    Re: #59
    It's really just mid-size-or-smaller Japanese games that only sell domestically, plus Capcom and Square Enix
    It's far from the 'every game is flocking to it' situation people were predicting before the Switch 2 launched
    Let's look at reality
    63AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:17
    Re: #1
    What's strong about PS5 is that it can coast entirely on gacha/live-service games
    Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail, Zenless Zone Zero, NTE, Wuthering Waves, Infinity Nikki, Hoshi no Tsubasa, Seven Deadly Sins
    eFootball, EA Sports FC, Sakatsuku, Phantasy Star Online 2, Dragon Quest X, Gundam Battle Operation 2, Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel, Dead or Alive 6 (free version)
    GTA Online, Apex Legends, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch, Roblox, Delta Force, Rainbow Six Siege, Once Human, Minecraft, Monster Hunter Wilds, Street Fighter 6, Gran Turismo 7
    Coming later:
    GTA6, Ananta (Mugendai Ananta), Animo, Hakugin no Shiro, Unmei no Trigger, Bringer, Mongiru, Lili's World, Yume no Compass, Loco Kingdom
    67AnonymousSep 13, 2026 14:29
    Re: #63
    Seriously, at that point it's just a giant smartphone
    78AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:07
    There's Genshin Impact, isn't there
    91AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:44
    Re: #78
    That's pathetically weak lol
    Looks like something a PS2 could run lol
    80AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:11
    There's Concord 1 through 5, isn't there
    The great Age of Concord
    88AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:34
    Re: #80
    What's wild is that all of it happened in the PS5 era
    94AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:52
    Ask any regular person and for the original PS it's FF7
    For PS2 it'd be FF10 or something
    From PS3 onward nothing else comes to mind
    The history of PlayStation is the history of Final Fantasy
    And once FF fell from grace, PlayStation stopped being everyone's console
    100AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:10
    Re: #94
    Way overrated
    To regular people FF is just seen as some creepy host-club-looking game (a jab likening FF's pretty-boy character designs to Japanese host-club hosts)

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Concord, the title that symbolically keeps coming up in the “PS5 has no new IP” debate, was a large-scale online multiplayer game reported to have taken roughly 8 years from the start of development to release — and it met an unusual fate, shutting down its service and issuing full refunds just two weeks after its August 2024 launch. The unit of measurement repeatedly joked about in the thread, “one Concord,” and the phrase “the great Age of Concord,” are both riffs on this incident. Meanwhile, Astro Bot, which won Game of the Year (The Game Awards), is actually the third entry in its series overall and isn’t a completely new IP in the strict sense — that’s the starting point for the criticism. Within the thread, a counterargument that Nintendo, too, mostly relies on sequels and remakes with few new IPs clashed with the rebuttal that third parties are nonetheless flocking to the Switch 2, and neither side reached a resolution. There’s also the observation that Chinese-made gacha games like Genshin Impact are effectively what’s sustaining the PS5’s active player base — a comment that reflects how the nature of home consoles is shifting, and reads as more than just wishful thinking about new releases; it points to a deeper shift in industry structure.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hardware/Industry (Geha)) thread “[Sad News] Media: ‘No “This Is the IP for PS5!” Title in 6 Years — Even a Case Where a New IP Took 8 Years to Develop and Ended in Two Weeks’.”

  • Hello! Project Graduates’ “I Never Wanted a Showbiz Career” Remarks Spark Debate — Post-Graduation Paths Become Hot Topic

    A Hello! Project member’s comment — “I didn’t want to break into showbiz, I just wanted to be active in Hello! Project, so I’m retiring from the entertainment industry the moment I graduate” — became a hot topic on 5ch. The thread was full of views like “no offers coming in, so it can’t be helped” and “staying in the industry is tough,” alongside candid takes on members leaving the "Hello! Project village," plus comments suggesting marriage is the best post-graduation path. Opinions split over whether it’s wiser to return to ordinary life early or stick it out in the industry.

    1AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:45
    What do you think?
    4AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:47
    Hope you stay happy and healthy even after quitting the idol life
    5AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:48
    She's just retiring because she can't hack it in showbiz
    7AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:49
    Surviving in the entertainment industry long-term really is tough, huh
    8AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:50
    Hm? Is this about Yamaki-san?
    9AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:50
    Graduating and retiring is the move for a girl who's thinking ahead —
    she knows sticking with a going-nowhere entertainment career is a bad play
    14AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:54
    It's not that I can't forgive it exactly, but
    a path like Ogata's just feels kind of off to me
    15AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:55
    They all just end up getting stripped down for gravure after graduating anyway (a cynical jab at ex-idols turning to gravure/adult work)
    16AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:56
    Fine by me, but don't go getting jealous if Juice=Juice blows up because of it, lol
    You were raised nice and cozy in the Hello! Project village after all
    so don't drag down the girls leaving the village
    17AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:57
    I mean, what's wrong with that?
    Whether she clings to showbiz forever or retires is fine either way
    it's her own call
    18AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:58
    Still comes off better than Yamaki, who didn't even want to join Hello! Project in the first place
    20AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:59
    "No work outside the village, so I'm quitting"
    — that's probably the most common reason
    21AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:59
    Better to quit while you're ahead and start your second life
    23AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:00
    Girls who fully retire young and stay out of the public eye probably just have a realistic head on their shoulders
    30AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:03
    That's a pretty standard Hello! Project storyline, isn't it
    — say you admire someone and get hyped up as the popular one
    31AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:05
    This is exactly how a Hello! Project member should be
    The agency should also lean harder into second-life support and openly position itself as an elite finishing school for future employment
    32AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:05
    Just my own guess, but I bet the number of members retiring keeps climbing from here
    There are just too many Hello! Project members now, so it's probably hard to even picture a career after graduating
    34AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:06
    I think it's fine for people like that to exist too
    especially girls who aren't great singers — continuing would be tough for them
    36AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:06
    The village's solo-act slots are about to hit their cap too
    37AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:07
    M-line's full up too
    46AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:11
    Ma-chan thought of Morning Musume as basically just an extracurricular hobby up until 2016
    51AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:13
    Re: #46
    Kago-chan used to call it a practice hall, as I recall
    54AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:15
    Is it not okay to say "I'll take what I learned in Hello! Project and put it to work in other entertainment jobs"?
    57AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:16
    Re: #54
    Probably not, I'd guess
    58AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:16
    Re: #54
    Probably just not enough time
    Anyone who manages to pull that off must just be talented
    63AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:18
    How'd it go for Akiyama again?
    76AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:22
    Re: #63
    No word on a hiatus or her stopping activities
    75AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:21
    Pretty much none of the current Hello! Project members could actually survive in the entertainment industry
    Even the village's money-making gigs get rough once you're past 30, so going back to normal life is the more realistic call
    86AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:27
    Re: #75
    Not just Hello! Project members — some people just can't handle it once the fawning attention disappears after even a taste of showbiz
    Like the senpai before them, the best path is probably small-scale work on the side while getting married
    80AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:23
    After doing this for years you'd figure out exactly where you stand
    and realize that even staying in the industry after graduating wouldn't bring much work anyway
    85AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:27
    Re: #80
    It's the Sakamichi groups' golden age right now
    Competition is already brutal just within the Sakamichi groups, so if you're in one of Hello! Project's lower-tier groups, you'd give up
    88AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:29
    It's different for members who live at home in the Kanto area versus members from the countryside
    89AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:29
    Re: #88
    Members from the countryside should just head back home
    A retreat from the capital (a classic case of falling from the big city)

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    Hello! Project leaves post-graduation career choices up to each member’s own wishes, and many members — Morning Musume。included — have continued their entertainment careers within a fixed fan base known as the “Hello! Project village.” In recent years, competition across the entertainment industry has intensified with the rise of groups like the Sakamichi series, and it’s said to be difficult to land offers from outside the village. The thread split between the view that “she’s retiring simply because there are no offers” and the view that “it’s wiser to draw a line early and return to ordinary life.” Increasingly, though, choosing to leave the entertainment industry right after graduating is framed not as a negative outcome, but as a forward-looking decision to lock in a stable life early.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Hello! Project member: “I never wanted to break into showbiz, I just wanted to be part of Hello! Project, so I’m retiring from the industry the moment I graduate” ← lolololol.”

  • Why Did Juice=Juice Break Out? Debate Rages Over Whether ‘Moré Mi’ Was Just the Spark

    Juice=Juice, a group under Hello! Project, saw its profile shoot up in 2024 thanks to the hit song “Moré! Mi Amore.” On the relevant 5ch thread, posters took it as a given that this song was the “spark” behind the group’s breakout, but debated what the real “reason” was for the support that followed. Opinions split between arguments centered on the group’s own strength — high-level singing, persuasive live performances, and a stable lineup lining up with the right song — and arguments pointing to external factors, like an industry atmosphere that had grown tired of the cutesy-idol formula.

    1AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:36
    Spark = "the event that led to something happening or becoming the case"
    Reason = "the underlying grounds or circumstances for why something happens or is the case"
    3AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:39
    Isn't it just the skill they'd already built up? Juice was already known as one of the best singing groups in Hello! Project to begin with.
    4AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:41
    Momoko Tsuganai: "Show business is all luck. But whether you can deliver results when your luck comes around depends on the effort you've put in up to that point."
    12AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:48
    Re: #4
    Tsuganai was talking about this on the radio even before her TV work picked up — like what her counter-strategy would be if she ever got called onto a variety show.
    5AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:42
    Talent met effort, met practice, met a stroke of luck, and it all clicked.
    6AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:42
    Goebbels: "Tell a lie a hundred times and it becomes the truth."
    7AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:43
    It's almost like an antithesis to the whole "look how cute I am" idol scene — I think it was the powerful vocals, led by Danbara, that really landed.
    8AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:45
    Given that cute, wholesome songs and idols are what's trending right now, maybe that's exactly why a totally different lane like Juice's was able to muscle in.
    9AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:46
    People started thinking, "This isn't idol-tier — this is the real deal."
    10AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:46
    What happens to Morning Musume fans once Juice locks down a Kohaku spot (NHK's big New Year's Eve music special)?
    https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm38400982
    13AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:50
    There just wasn't another notable full-on dance-vocal group around this year, so they ended up filling that slot. This used to be Avex's specialty too, you know.
    15AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:52
    The good song genuinely landed right when the group was at its absolute peak. In the past, even when a promising song came along, it'd get undercut by "the ace is about to graduate" or "half the lineup is still little kids" — but Juice had 11 members who could stand anywhere without embarrassment.
    16AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:52
    Unlike a group like HANA that leans into a "we're not really idols" image, Juice stuck to being idols while still pushing a skilled-performer angle — maybe that's the differentiation that worked.
    19AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:55
    It's having Rei and Ruru. Both of them bring a compelling personal story and performances persuasive enough to back it up.
    20AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:56
    There aren't many idols you can actually enjoy sung live. Might stir things up to say it, but even within Hello! Project there are a few groups that are shaky live.
    21AnonymousSep 13, 2026 15:58
    They slotted into a position nobody else was occupying.
    24AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:00
    Probably because people got sick of the AKB-descended idol formula where it's fine to be a bad singer as long as you're cute. TV always wants impact and novelty, and the timing lined up perfectly for Juice. Look at the reactions from outside the fandom — it's mostly the vocal skill and the live performances that left a strong impression.
    53AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:26
    Re: #24
    But if you actually listen closely, Furuppa and Kyusuto (other idol groups) can all sing solidly too — it's not like Juice is THAT far ahead of everyone else.
    36AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:07
    The single biggest reason Juice=Juice took off is that their fans are down-to-earth — even the so-called "wolves" (a nickname for a certain breed of overzealous fan) don't stoop to spamming copypasta to derail the thread.
    45AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:14
    Summer 2024 — by this point they were in a state where it was fine for the wider world to discover them. Basically, they were ready to be handed off to new fans as a finished "product," so to speak. I think they'd already reached a level where they could hold their own against anyone else — the only thing left was how to actually get people to notice them.
    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1845779363280957440/pu/vid/avc1/1920×1080/284AXb2QU2PpAeGe.mp4?tag=14

    Every group has a window like that, and it lasts around two years, but then the cycle of graduations tends to start up again. So it really comes down to how much luck is on your side during those two years — whether you get blessed with good material and the agency actually puts its weight behind pushing you. If that all lines up, any group has a shot.

    Personally, I think Angerme also had a window to break out when Kamiko, Sasaki, and Take were all in the lineup together, and for Morning Musume, there was a window while Sato was still around. Luck, timing, how things line up — it really is tricky to pin down.
    49AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:16
    Re: #49
    Angerme actually dropped big swing songs like "Ai no Kedamono" and "Bibitaru Ichigeki" right around that time, but they never took off.
    52AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:25
    Re: #49
    Speaking of recent eras, I think Angerme around this period was ready, even though it was during COVID. Timing-wise, it really was an "it's happening!" moment.
    https://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20220617/22/angerme-ss-shin/fc/cc/j/o1080081015134406554.jpg

    With clip videos from that time, you'd often see people who had no idea who the group was asking things like, "who's this, that three-way vocal break with Rika, Miko, and Take is so cool" — you don't really see that kind of reaction anymore…

    Every group has that "it's happening right now!" moment, and all you can do is hope a great song comes along during that fleeting window.
    68AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:32
    Isn't Moré Mi both the spark AND the reason?
    79AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:37
    Re: #68
    The song landing was also the moment people got to see the group's actual skill — it made the CDTV staff want more people to know about this group.
    71AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:33
    At the end of the day, even with an opportunity, if people don't walk away thinking "that was good, I'm curious now," it doesn't lead anywhere and the fanbase doesn't grow. Moré Mi was the spark, but Juice's real win was having already built up the substance to carry that momentum forward.
    86AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:42
    Re: #71
    Hear buzz about Moré Mi
    ↓
    Watch the MV ("huh, so it's like this")
    ↓
    Watch the Budokan live too since it's right there ("wait, isn't this actually amazing?")
    ↓
    Watch the Fiesta Budokan live ("this group is insaneee")
    ↓
    Fully hooked

    That's the pipeline for me, a Moré Mi newcomer.
    73AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:34
    Visuals approved by a top-tier beauty magazine



    76AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:36
    They weren't trending upward at all before Moré Mi. Back during "Bourei" people were saying they were done for.
    82AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:41
    Re: #76
    But if you actually watched their lives, the group was doing perfectly fine.

    That final "Babyboon" was fantastic.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSsRK088f3E

    Basically, if they'd been blessed with the right song and the promotion and timing had lined up, the group itself was already in good shape. So I think a lot of people were kind of let down by the agency's approach around that time — betting everything on a cover song.
    81AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:39
    I think the biggest factor is that Moré Mi got people's "interest" pointed their way. What the group does hasn't really changed, but how it comes across flips 180 degrees depending on how favorably viewers are already disposed. Honestly, I'm not even sure why Moré Mi struck a chord — musically it's pretty average, run-of-the-mill stuff. Maybe viewers who'd grown tired of the whole "cute, cute" thing with bleepy-bloopy melodies and arrangements got drawn in by a slightly more kayokyoku-style melody paired with the Latin arrangement that Japanese audiences love so much.
    84AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:41
    Re: #81
    In the end I guess a Latin-style song just happened to suit the current Juice lineup well. The city pop direction they'd been milking for so long was a miss.
    92AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:46
    Re: #82
    As for the live performances, like people keep saying, Juice hasn't really changed from the old days — if anything, they sang better back when the original members were still around.
    102AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:54
    Re: #92
    That's true, but it also matters that the cycle of losing a member every year finally stopped. Without a stable stretch of two or three years without departures, it's hard to really push the group — you can't properly hand out your "business card," because then people go, "wait, that's not who was on the card." From Yanamin's graduation in 2019 all the way up through Uemura, Juice lost someone almost every single year.

    A graduation isn't just losing one member — it means losing someone with nine or ten years of accumulated skill and experience. If the group's lineup and new additions aren't properly balanced, the group's overall strength takes a real hit.
    100AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:53
    For Angerme, there was a stretch when Take, Rikako, Kamiko, Kawamura, Funaki, and Kasahara were all in the lineup together. That's genuinely strong — they really had enough momentum to close in on Morning Musume.
    107AnonymousSep 13, 2026 16:55
    Re: #100
    Well, Angerme from that era probably had better vocals and performances than JJ (Juice=Juice) does now.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Juice=Juice is a Hello! Project group formed in 2013 that has been known for its strong vocals from the start. Their 2024 song “Moré! Mi Amore” is considered the track that spread thanks to exposure on shows like CDTV and boosted the group’s overall profile. Where the thread split was on whether to treat the “spark” that triggered the hit separately from the “reason” support has continued since — some pointed to substance, like vocal skill and a stable member lineup, while others pointed to external circumstances, like other groups stalling out and viewers growing tired of the “cute” idol formula. That said, this kind of after-the-fact popularity analysis tends to lean on impression rather than proof, and nothing in the thread actually verifies how much each factor really contributed.

    ※This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Juice=Juice’s hit was sparked by “Moré! Mi Amore” blowing up — but what’s the actual “reason” Juice=Juice got popular?“