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Diamond Online published an article calling out the “old-guy discrimination” behind the idea that “shorts are gross,” and it sparked a heated discussion on 5ch’s News Speed+ board. The thread saw defenders comparing shorts to Showa-era “steteko” long johns, pushback from younger users, and even comparisons to women’s miniskirts — turning what looked like a simple generational spat into something messier.
“Shorts Are Gross”: The Blatant “Old-Guy Discrimination” Nobody Calls Out ⟨A Bug in Society⟩ | Diamond Online
Tokushige Ryūtoku: Writer, editor, entertainment critic
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Source: diamond.jp / Original article here
What people said
Exactly, “old-guy shorts” means steteko. Like the balding middle-aged guys from 1950s-60s comedy acts — think Ueki Hitoshi and Katō Cha.
I wear jersey shorts at home, but committing the atrocity of wearing them outside? Can't do it.
Get bullied all you want.
You're gross, old man. And you stink.
Being against dyed brown hair these days is grandpa talk. Today's "old guys" were the ones who got criticized for it back then.
The "old guy" generation is the one who actually dyed their hair brown when they were young lol
Same with those toothpick-sucking threads — that's an old-man habit, but people keep pinning it on "middle-aged guys." Have you not lived in Japan for years or something? lol
Good luck living your whole life without ever becoming an old guy yourself.
Same thing, that's exactly why it gets criticized.
Nobody wants to see it.
Nobody's happy having some old person's fetish put on display either.
If sharp-tongued Peco (a famous TV fashion critic known for blunt style takedowns) were still doing his fashion checks, they'd have gotten torn to shreds. But these days…
There's also some mockery mixed in from younger people's ignorance.
Funny thing is, they'll all get old too and become old men, old women, grandpas, grandmas.
But they're not old men, old women, grandpas or grandmas yet. Everyone's done this at some point.
Can't be helped — both men and women expect men to have a big heart. If you think your own is too small, work on it.
We smile on the outside and cry on the inside, man.
Still, feels like way fewer people say it straight to your face these days.
They'll just say "a chubby naked guy has appeared" instead (´・ω・`)
Let's start saying the same thing about women too.
People wear them all over the world though.
Just shave it. You're overthinking this.
Isn't it just you who's gross?
Not gross at all.
Because of direct sunlight exposure, logically speaking, long pants are actually cooler than shorts.
There's pressure going the other way too — "how dare a guy get hair removal."
They'll just tell you "an old guy like you shouldn't bother with hair removal."
Background and Key Points
Diamond Online is one of Japan’s major business-media outlets, and its target here — the notion that “shorts are gross” — sits inside a long-standing Japanese menswear code. Outside sports or the beach, adult Japanese men have traditionally been expected to keep their legs covered in casual and especially work settings; even the government’s 2005 “Cool Biz” campaign, which relaxed jacket-and-tie rules to save energy in the heat, never extended to shorts. The alternative the thread reaches for, steteko, is a loose cotton undergarment that became a summer-lounging staple in the Shōwa era (1926–1989), associated in the popular imagination with balding, middle-aged comedians like Ueki Hitoshi and Katō Cha — which is why “old-guy fashion” in Japan means steteko, not shorts, complicating the article’s framing.
The thread doesn’t split on whether the “gross” label exists — everyone agrees it does — but on who deserves it and why. One camp treats it as straightforward age-based mockery, even revenge for a generation that once policed younger people’s dyed hair; another counters that the accused “old guys” are in fact the same cohort that popularized brown hair and Western casual dress in their own youth, making the generational math incoherent. A side debate over women’s miniskirts and body hair further muddies whether this is really about age or just ordinary appearance-shaming applied unevenly.
What outside readers likely miss is that this isn’t a fringe complaint: bare male legs carry a mild social stigma in Japan even during dangerously hot summers, a norm rooted in decades of formal dress convention that the posters take entirely for granted rather than explain.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “【🩳】“Shorts Are Gross”: The Blatant “Old-Guy Discrimination” Nobody Calls Out ⟨A Bug in Society⟩.”


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