“Shorts Are Gross”: The Blatant “Old-Guy Discrimination” Nobody Calls Out ⟨A Bug in Society⟩

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Diamond Online published an article calling out the “old-guy discrimination” behind the idea that “shorts are gross,” and it sparked a heated discussion on 5ch’s News Speed+ board. The thread saw defenders comparing shorts to Showa-era “steteko” long johns, pushback from younger users, and even comparisons to women’s miniskirts — turning what looked like a simple generational spat into something messier.

“Shorts Are Gross”: The Blatant “Old-Guy Discrimination” Nobody Calls Out ⟨A Bug in Society⟩ | Diamond Online

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Source: diamond.jp / Original article here

What people said

2AnonymousAug 21, 2026 19:49
I just want to cool off in a tank top and steteko (baggy Showa-era long johns) like some old geezer.
149AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:50
Re: #2
Exactly, “old-guy shorts” means steteko. Like the balding middle-aged guys from 1950s-60s comedy acts — think Ueki Hitoshi and Katō Cha.
4AnonymousAug 21, 2026 19:52
I think they're gross too, and I've never worn a pair because of it lol
14AnonymousAug 21, 2026 19:58
Re: #4
I wear jersey shorts at home, but committing the atrocity of wearing them outside? Can't do it.
6AnonymousAug 21, 2026 19:52
This is karma for all the years you people trashed kids for dyeing their hair brown.
Get bullied all you want.
You're gross, old man. And you stink.
13AnonymousAug 21, 2026 19:58
Re: #6
Being against dyed brown hair these days is grandpa talk. Today's "old guys" were the ones who got criticized for it back then.
60AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:13
Re: #6
The "old guy" generation is the one who actually dyed their hair brown when they were young lol
Same with those toothpick-sucking threads — that's an old-man habit, but people keep pinning it on "middle-aged guys." Have you not lived in Japan for years or something? lol
106AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:28
Re: #6
Good luck living your whole life without ever becoming an old guy yourself.
11AnonymousAug 21, 2026 19:57
What about grannies in miniskirts?
23AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:03
Re: #11
Same thing, that's exactly why it gets criticized.
Nobody wants to see it.
Nobody's happy having some old person's fetish put on display either.
81AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:19
Re: #11
If sharp-tongued Peco (a famous TV fashion critic known for blunt style takedowns) were still doing his fashion checks, they'd have gotten torn to shreds. But these days…
15AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:00
The generation getting called "gross old guys" now is the same one that used to rate women, size them up, and sexually harass them — isn't this just payback?
There's also some mockery mixed in from younger people's ignorance.
Funny thing is, they'll all get old too and become old men, old women, grandpas, grandmas.
19AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:01
Re: #15
But they're not old men, old women, grandpas or grandmas yet. Everyone's done this at some point.
31AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:05
Calling someone "small-minded" is quietly discriminatory too, you know.
34AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:06
Re: #31
Can't be helped — both men and women expect men to have a big heart. If you think your own is too small, work on it.
47AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:10
Re: #34
We smile on the outside and cry on the inside, man.
Still, feels like way fewer people say it straight to your face these days.
36AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:07
(´・ω・`) Guess there's nothing left to do but walk around stark naked.
132AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:42
Re: #36
They'll just say "a chubby naked guy has appeared" instead (´・ω・`)
42AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:08
Who cares, honestly. I'm not wearing them for your sake — I wear them because they're comfortable. Got a problem? Call the cops, jackass.
46AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:10
They really are gross though, so what can you do?
Let's start saying the same thing about women too.
53AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:11
It's not even about "gross" — among developed countries, pretty much only Americans have grown men wearing shorts.
56AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:12
Re: #53
People wear them all over the world though.
59AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:13
Honestly, my leg hair is thick. Guess that really is gross then.
64AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:14
Re: #59
Just shave it. You're overthinking this.
67AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:15
Even teenage guys wearing shorts is gross.
75AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:18
Re: #67
Isn't it just you who's gross?
78AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:18
Re: #67
Not gross at all.
83AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:19
It's been over 35°C every single day — saying shorts are gross is the actual gross thing here.
95AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:23
Re: #83
Because of direct sunlight exposure, logically speaking, long pants are actually cooler than shorts.
92AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:22
If you're gonna wear shorts, get your leg hair removed.
96AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:23
Re: #92
There's pressure going the other way too — "how dare a guy get hair removal."
116AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:34
Re: #92
They'll just tell you "an old guy like you shouldn't bother with hair removal."
125AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:38
126AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:40
Re: #125
They're all skin and bones. You guys need to eat more, it's bad for your health.
131AnonymousAug 21, 2026 20:42

Background and Key Points

Diamond Online is one of Japan’s major business-media outlets, and its target here — the notion that “shorts are gross” — sits inside a long-standing Japanese menswear code. Outside sports or the beach, adult Japanese men have traditionally been expected to keep their legs covered in casual and especially work settings; even the government’s 2005 “Cool Biz” campaign, which relaxed jacket-and-tie rules to save energy in the heat, never extended to shorts. The alternative the thread reaches for, steteko, is a loose cotton undergarment that became a summer-lounging staple in the Shōwa era (1926–1989), associated in the popular imagination with balding, middle-aged comedians like Ueki Hitoshi and Katō Cha — which is why “old-guy fashion” in Japan means steteko, not shorts, complicating the article’s framing.

The thread doesn’t split on whether the “gross” label exists — everyone agrees it does — but on who deserves it and why. One camp treats it as straightforward age-based mockery, even revenge for a generation that once policed younger people’s dyed hair; another counters that the accused “old guys” are in fact the same cohort that popularized brown hair and Western casual dress in their own youth, making the generational math incoherent. A side debate over women’s miniskirts and body hair further muddies whether this is really about age or just ordinary appearance-shaming applied unevenly.

What outside readers likely miss is that this isn’t a fringe complaint: bare male legs carry a mild social stigma in Japan even during dangerously hot summers, a norm rooted in decades of formal dress convention that the posters take entirely for granted rather than explain.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “【🩳】“Shorts Are Gross”: The Blatant “Old-Guy Discrimination” Nobody Calls Out ⟨A Bug in Society⟩.”

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