A thread on 5ch’s “Nandemo Jikkyo” board started from frustration with the “watch and learn” style of job training. It began as griping about workplaces that never read manuals, and at times turned into a debate over whether “watch and learn” even counts as proper on-the-job training. One post that drew a lot of responses recalled being told to just “watch” while filleting fish at a seafood izakaya job, and argued it would have been much easier to understand if they’d been talked through the knife technique step by step.
They're probably just bad at putting things into words.
Even when there's a manual, nobody reads it anyway.
>>2
If you have time to read the manual, use it to learn the job instead.
If you have time to read the manual, use it to learn the job instead.
Isn't IT, full of people who struggle socially, actually pretty bad at putting things into words?
>>3
Downstream workers have a lot of poor communicators who are bad at verbalizing things.
Once you get up to the design level, there are fewer poor communicators.
Downstream workers have a lot of poor communicators who are bad at verbalizing things.
Once you get up to the design level, there are fewer poor communicators.
Jobs that can actually be put into words are just simple tasks,
like assembly line work.
So the moment someone demands everything be verbalized, it's clear they're in some cheap job anyone could do.
like assembly line work.
So the moment someone demands everything be verbalized, it's clear they're in some cheap job anyone could do.
They get mad when you ask questions.
Ask something like "so this, this, and this share the same part, right?" and you just get "how should I know, idiot?"
Ask something like "so this, this, and this share the same part, right?" and you just get "how should I know, idiot?"
Even in construction work (dokata, a blunt/slangy term for manual laborers), the bigger companies seem to have solid on-the-job training.
Outside of construction too, crappy small companies just don't have a proper training environment to begin with — no time or staff to teach anyone.
Outside of construction too, crappy small companies just don't have a proper training environment to begin with — no time or staff to teach anyone.
>>14
Isn't it precisely because the OJT is solid that it becomes "watch and learn"?
Isn't it precisely because the OJT is solid that it becomes "watch and learn"?
Guys like that get all competitive even when someone like me
picks things up fast,
which is incredibly annoying.
picks things up fast,
which is incredibly annoying.
>>15
They fight back with some mysterious "spirit and willpower" argument, right?
Like stories about how hard things were back in their day.
They fight back with some mysterious "spirit and willpower" argument, right?
Like stories about how hard things were back in their day.
Back when I was working part-time at a seafood izakaya, they told me to just "watch" when filleting fish, but honestly it would've been way easier to understand if they'd explained it in words — like where to start the knife cut, how to follow along the bone.
"Watch and learn" works fine for someone who can already mentally replay and reproduce what they see, but if it's your first time, you don't even know what you're supposed to be looking at.
"Watch and learn" works fine for someone who can already mentally replay and reproduce what they see, but if it's your first time, you don't even know what you're supposed to be looking at.
>>110
If you can't learn a skill like that just by watching, you're probably not cut out for it.
If you can't learn a skill like that just by watching, you're probably not cut out for it.
>>110
And normal people can understand it just by watching — plus, how to handle something irregular can't really be put into words anyway.
In the end, the ones whining about wanting everything verbalized are just low-level guys who can't think for themselves.
And normal people can understand it just by watching — plus, how to handle something irregular can't really be put into words anyway.
In the end, the ones whining about wanting everything verbalized are just low-level guys who can't think for themselves.
*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo board) thread “Construction worker: “Watch and learn the job”.”
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