A post on 5ch’s News VIP board — a woman in her early 30s declaring that “men earning under ¥6 million a year are off the marriage table” — kicked off a heated exchange between men and women over financial standing and marriageable age. Terms like “basement-dwelling uncle” (a jab at grown men still living with their parents) and “otaku uncle on ¥4.5 million” flew back and forth, and the thread spiraled into debates over the risks of late-life pregnancy and preferences for stay-at-home spouses.
Honestly, if a guy's over 30 and not pulling in ¥6 million a year, that's just not enough effort on his part. I don't make crazy money myself, but if I'm getting married, I want to keep a decent standard of living. When some guy at a matchmaking party comes up to me like "my hobby's anime, I make ¥4.5 million," it's an instant turn-off. I'm putting in the work to look young, so the least a guy could do is have his finances sorted. Why are men these days so lacking in backbone (kaishō — the traditional expectation that a man provide for his family)? Give me some advice here.
(´・ω・｀) Come on, "man-san"… (a mocking nickname for women)
>>16
Oh, basement-dwelling uncle…
You call that a comeback? lol
Go back and read my post from the start again.
Oh, basement-dwelling uncle…
You call that a comeback? lol
Go back and read my post from the start again.
>>18
>>16 really got hit where it hurts lol
>>16 really got hit where it hurts lol
>>16
This is genuinely hilarious
This is genuinely hilarious
Now that men and women are equal, I don't think women can ever win this fight.
If they say "under ¥6 million and you're off the marriage table,"
then men can say "under ¥6 million and you're off the table too, and working in the sex industry is a hard no" —
and 90% of women would have nothing left to say.
If they say "under ¥6 million and you're off the marriage table,"
then men can say "under ¥6 million and you're off the table too, and working in the sex industry is a hard no" —
and 90% of women would have nothing left to say.
>>26
leading into
>>28
and 90% of women get juggled by an aerial full combo,
ending with a giant "K.O." flashing across the screen.
leading into
>>28
and 90% of women get juggled by an aerial full combo,
ending with a giant "K.O." flashing across the screen.
And the finishing blow is:
"When we get married, we keep our finances separate."
"When we get married, we keep our finances separate."
>>18
I read your post, but
doesn't that just lead to the conclusion that men will pick younger women?
Also, 35 and up counts as a late-life pregnancy.
I keep seeing "my friend did it," "that celebrity did it," "plenty of people have kids past 35," but statistically it's still classified as high-risk.
I read your post, but
doesn't that just lead to the conclusion that men will pick younger women?
Also, 35 and up counts as a late-life pregnancy.
I keep seeing "my friend did it," "that celebrity did it," "plenty of people have kids past 35," but statistically it's still classified as high-risk.
>>29
And there it is — the classic move of scaring women with "late-life pregnancy" (lol). Well let me ask you this: isn't it because men in their 30s can only manage ¥4.5 million that women can't afford to give up their careers, which is what delays marriage in the first place? That's the real cause of the falling birthrate. If men could pull in around ¥10 million in their 20s, everyone would marry young and have kids in their 20s. Could you stop blaming women's age for your own lack of provider-ability? And no way is a young girl choosing some ¥4.5 million otaku uncle. Get real.
And there it is — the classic move of scaring women with "late-life pregnancy" (lol). Well let me ask you this: isn't it because men in their 30s can only manage ¥4.5 million that women can't afford to give up their careers, which is what delays marriage in the first place? That's the real cause of the falling birthrate. If men could pull in around ¥10 million in their 20s, everyone would marry young and have kids in their 20s. Could you stop blaming women's age for your own lack of provider-ability? And no way is a young girl choosing some ¥4.5 million otaku uncle. Get real.
>>32
First, 35-and-up being classified as late-life pregnancy is just statistics, not a threat.
Second, men only earning ¥4.5 million is delaying marriage because women can't give up their careers? Where's the data for that?
These days, in the Reiwa era, the default is working while doing marriage-hunting (konkatsu) and getting married.
Also, just like you fixate on men's income, men fixate on women's age because of childbirth and childcare considerations.
The source for all this is women like you — in their early 30s, still doing konkatsu and still not married.
Instead of rambling on here, maybe reassess Reiwa-era common sense and your own market value?
First, 35-and-up being classified as late-life pregnancy is just statistics, not a threat.
Second, men only earning ¥4.5 million is delaying marriage because women can't give up their careers? Where's the data for that?
These days, in the Reiwa era, the default is working while doing marriage-hunting (konkatsu) and getting married.
Also, just like you fixate on men's income, men fixate on women's age because of childbirth and childcare considerations.
The source for all this is women like you — in their early 30s, still doing konkatsu and still not married.
Instead of rambling on here, maybe reassess Reiwa-era common sense and your own market value?
>>42
Sorry, but no matter how desperately you cite statistics, every decent man I've met has just naturally told me "don't worry about money." So this "Reiwa-era common sense" you keep talking about looks like it's from a completely different world to me. What you're describing is basically "two low earners compromising into a cash-strapped dual-income marriage," right? I was never aiming for that kind of bottom-tier life to begin with. No wonder we're talking past each other.
Sorry, but no matter how desperately you cite statistics, every decent man I've met has just naturally told me "don't worry about money." So this "Reiwa-era common sense" you keep talking about looks like it's from a completely different world to me. What you're describing is basically "two low earners compromising into a cash-strapped dual-income marriage," right? I was never aiming for that kind of bottom-tier life to begin with. No wonder we're talking past each other.
Men should just throw the counter back at them.
If she says under ¥6 million is off the table for marriage,
men should just as flatly say under ¥6 million women are off the table too.
Add "absolutely no night-work/sex-industry history" and "we keep finances separate after marriage,"
and it's K.O. lololol
Then spit out the winning line: "Guess you just didn't try hard enough?"
If she says under ¥6 million is off the table for marriage,
men should just as flatly say under ¥6 million women are off the table too.
Add "absolutely no night-work/sex-industry history" and "we keep finances separate after marriage,"
and it's K.O. lololol
Then spit out the winning line: "Guess you just didn't try hard enough?"
>>34
You think that's a counter, but you're fundamentally missing the point, lol. Women carry the biggest role and risk of all — risking their lives to get pregnant and give birth, and putting their careers on hold. Men can't do that, right? So a man securing financial stability isn't a "condition," it's simply an "obligation." A man who ignores his own risk and just says "women should earn ¥6 million too! Separate finances!" has zero qualifications to be a father. What woman out there is desperate enough to marry a cheapskate like that and have his kids? Enjoy spitting out your "winning lines" (lol) alone for the rest of your life.
You think that's a counter, but you're fundamentally missing the point, lol. Women carry the biggest role and risk of all — risking their lives to get pregnant and give birth, and putting their careers on hold. Men can't do that, right? So a man securing financial stability isn't a "condition," it's simply an "obligation." A man who ignores his own risk and just says "women should earn ¥6 million too! Separate finances!" has zero qualifications to be a father. What woman out there is desperate enough to marry a cheapskate like that and have his kids? Enjoy spitting out your "winning lines" (lol) alone for the rest of your life.
>>34
Higher-earning women actually do get married more easily too —
though if they earn too much, they stop getting married at all.
Higher-earning women actually do get married more easily too —
though if they earn too much, they stop getting married at all.
Man, the era of male dominance was great, lol.
Back then a woman earning ¥2 million could still say she wanted to marry a man making over ¥10 million, lol.
Now that we've got gender equality…
why exactly does a man have to marry a woman who earns less than him?
Back then a woman earning ¥2 million could still say she wanted to marry a man making over ¥10 million, lol.
Now that we've got gender equality…
why exactly does a man have to marry a woman who earns less than him?
>>36
You're desperately listing conditions and celebrating "K.O. lol," but all you're doing is piling up more reasons you'll never get married. Notice that? (lol) Why would some conveniently perfect high-spec woman — young, in her 20s, earning over ¥6 million, no sex-work history, fine with dual income and separate wallets — ever pick a ¥4.5 million anime otaku uncle? You seem to think you've owned me, but you're the one who's actually cornered in the real world.
You're desperately listing conditions and celebrating "K.O. lol," but all you're doing is piling up more reasons you'll never get married. Notice that? (lol) Why would some conveniently perfect high-spec woman — young, in her 20s, earning over ¥6 million, no sex-work history, fine with dual income and separate wallets — ever pick a ¥4.5 million anime otaku uncle? You seem to think you've owned me, but you're the one who's actually cornered in the real world.
Nothing's uglier than a bunch of childless people with too much time on their hands arguing with each other.
>>38
Honestly, if these two just married each other it'd probably work out great.
Such a waste.
Honestly, if these two just married each other it'd probably work out great.
Such a waste.
That's right, women have an expiration date at 35, lol.
And since it's gender equality, obviously she should earn the same income too, right? lol
Just use the counter, lol.
If she says ¥6 million,
men should just say "I'll only marry a woman earning ¥6 million too."
Then say "absolute no on night work/sex industry."
And finish with "we'll keep finances separate after marriage, right?" lololol
Ladies: K.O., you lose. lol
And since it's gender equality, obviously she should earn the same income too, right? lol
Just use the counter, lol.
If she says ¥6 million,
men should just say "I'll only marry a woman earning ¥6 million too."
Then say "absolute no on night work/sex industry."
And finish with "we'll keep finances separate after marriage, right?" lololol
Ladies: K.O., you lose. lol
>>44
Oof… you've completely lost it and can only type "lolololol" now. Guess it really stung, huh. Sorry for breaking you a little? Picturing you red-faced on the other side of the screen, furiously mashing your keyboard yelling "K.O., you lose lol" — honestly, it's starting to feel kind of sad. Close the browser and go have some tea until you calm down.
Oof… you've completely lost it and can only type "lolololol" now. Guess it really stung, huh. Sorry for breaking you a little? Picturing you red-faced on the other side of the screen, furiously mashing your keyboard yelling "K.O., you lose lol" — honestly, it's starting to feel kind of sad. Close the browser and go have some tea until you calm down.
>>44
Yeah, sure, totally. I think men should go ahead and pick "a woman in her 20s, earning over ¥6 million, no sex-work history, fine with separate wallets" too. So, what percentage chance do you think that high-spec woman has of actually picking you? (lol) No matter how many perfect counters (lol) you invent in your online fantasies, as long as you're a real-life "¥4.5 million anime otaku," you won't be chosen by that high-spec woman, or by me, or by anyone. Glad you can win in your imagination at least. Congrats.
Yeah, sure, totally. I think men should go ahead and pick "a woman in her 20s, earning over ¥6 million, no sex-work history, fine with separate wallets" too. So, what percentage chance do you think that high-spec woman has of actually picking you? (lol) No matter how many perfect counters (lol) you invent in your online fantasies, as long as you're a real-life "¥4.5 million anime otaku," you won't be chosen by that high-spec woman, or by me, or by anyone. Glad you can win in your imagination at least. Congrats.
>>42
Whoa… it's kind of off-putting how red-faced and worked up you are, writing a whole essay. Did the phrase "¥4.5 million" really cut that deep? Sorry about that (lol). You can cite all the data and "Reiwa common sense" (lol) you want, but at the end of the day, the fact that you're desperately lecturing a random woman in her 30s on an anonymous forum says everything about your real-world market value (lol). Are you really this fixated on my age and marriage prospects? Maybe you actually like me?
Whoa… it's kind of off-putting how red-faced and worked up you are, writing a whole essay. Did the phrase "¥4.5 million" really cut that deep? Sorry about that (lol). You can cite all the data and "Reiwa common sense" (lol) you want, but at the end of the day, the fact that you're desperately lecturing a random woman in her 30s on an anonymous forum says everything about your real-world market value (lol). Are you really this fixated on my age and marriage prospects? Maybe you actually like me?
>>45
Sorry, but I'm married with two kids, so I can't see you as a romantic prospect.
What else… income, was it?
My personal income is about ¥8 million, and household income is over ¥10 million.
Though ¥10 million is treated as a kind of benchmark, once you actually get there, life isn't quite the dream you pictured, so I do wonder why it's held up as the bar.
Sorry, but I'm married with two kids, so I can't see you as a romantic prospect.
What else… income, was it?
My personal income is about ¥8 million, and household income is over ¥10 million.
Though ¥10 million is treated as a kind of benchmark, once you actually get there, life isn't quite the dream you pictured, so I do wonder why it's held up as the bar.
>>52
Lying like that is just embarrassing, quit it.
Lying like that is just embarrassing, quit it.
>>52
Oh wow, household income over ¥10 million, so impressive (deadpan). But with all that money and two kids, you're clearly still completely unfulfilled inside. That's why you're glued to this board, desperately trying to "K.O. (lol) some random woman in her 30s." You may have cleared the financial bar, but spiritually you're still bottom-tier — genuinely sad. Thanks for being a cautionary tale of what not to become, even with money.
Oh wow, household income over ¥10 million, so impressive (deadpan). But with all that money and two kids, you're clearly still completely unfulfilled inside. That's why you're glued to this board, desperately trying to "K.O. (lol) some random woman in her 30s." You may have cleared the financial bar, but spiritually you're still bottom-tier — genuinely sad. Thanks for being a cautionary tale of what not to become, even with money.
Woman: "When I get married I want to be a stay-at-home wife lol"
Well, since it's gender equality, lol—
Man: "When I get married I want to be a stay-at-home husband lolololol"
Counter unleashed lolololololololol
K.O. lolololololololololololololol
Well, since it's gender equality, lol—
Man: "When I get married I want to be a stay-at-home husband lolololol"
Counter unleashed lolololololololol
K.O. lolololololololololololololol
>>51
Yeah, I mean…
honestly I'm getting too tired to even keep arguing back at this point 😅
Yeah, I mean…
honestly I'm getting too tired to even keep arguing back at this point 😅
It's baffling how someone fully planning to live off a man's income for the rest of their life still talks down to men like they're the ones doing the choosing.
>>78
I already said it's not dependence, it's "division of labor." Do you understand what words mean? Women risk their lives to give birth and carry humanity's future forward — a monumental job men could never do no matter how hard they tried. So a man supporting that with his financial power isn't optional, it's an "obligation" for survival, basically "infrastructure" for society. Nobody gets mad at tap water or electricity yelling "you depend on me!" — and it's genuinely bizarre, lol, for infrastructure (men) to get mad and shout "don't depend on me!" Of course the user (women) has every right to carefully vet and rank the performance of the infrastructure (men) from a position of judgment.
I already said it's not dependence, it's "division of labor." Do you understand what words mean? Women risk their lives to give birth and carry humanity's future forward — a monumental job men could never do no matter how hard they tried. So a man supporting that with his financial power isn't optional, it's an "obligation" for survival, basically "infrastructure" for society. Nobody gets mad at tap water or electricity yelling "you depend on me!" — and it's genuinely bizarre, lol, for infrastructure (men) to get mad and shout "don't depend on me!" Of course the user (women) has every right to carefully vet and rank the performance of the infrastructure (men) from a position of judgment.
>>78
It's not baffling at all. Look at biology. In every corner of the animal kingdom, it's the female — the one who risks her life to bear and raise offspring — who evaluates and chooses the male. The male is the one desperately putting on a display to get chosen. That's the natural order. It's only in the human world that men get all puffed up about "earning it for you" (lol), but a man who never gets chosen by a woman is just a "loser" who fails to pass on his genes and gets weeded out. So me judging from above and declaring "under ¥6 million, no chance" is simply me acting like a perfectly normal biological creature. If you want to be chosen, quit complaining and go earn like your life depends on it.
It's not baffling at all. Look at biology. In every corner of the animal kingdom, it's the female — the one who risks her life to bear and raise offspring — who evaluates and chooses the male. The male is the one desperately putting on a display to get chosen. That's the natural order. It's only in the human world that men get all puffed up about "earning it for you" (lol), but a man who never gets chosen by a woman is just a "loser" who fails to pass on his genes and gets weeded out. So me judging from above and declaring "under ¥6 million, no chance" is simply me acting like a perfectly normal biological creature. If you want to be chosen, quit complaining and go earn like your life depends on it.
>>131
I'm not asking for a youthful look.
I'm asking for actual youth.
I'm not asking for a youthful look.
I'm asking for actual youth.
>>134
Same thing.
Same thing.
>>137
Then you'd be fine with a guy who earns ¥1 million but looks like he earns ¥10 million, right?
Same thing, isn't it?
Then you'd be fine with a guy who earns ¥1 million but looks like he earns ¥10 million, right?
Same thing, isn't it?
>>141
No, no, lol, that analogy is so bad it's basically broadcasting how dumb you are. You okay? (lol) A "man who earns ¥1 million but looks like ¥10 million" is just a show-off deadbeat one step from bankruptcy. But a "beauty in her 30s who looks like she's in her 20s" can actually use her looks and youth — real assets — to snag and get supported by an actual high-spec man earning ¥10 million or ¥30 million. In other words, just looking like she's in her 20s is worth tens of millions of yen to a woman in practice. You can't tell the difference between a man's cardboard facade (lol) and a woman's actual asset value, which is exactly why you're capped out at ¥4.5 million. Maybe go study up a bit more?
No, no, lol, that analogy is so bad it's basically broadcasting how dumb you are. You okay? (lol) A "man who earns ¥1 million but looks like ¥10 million" is just a show-off deadbeat one step from bankruptcy. But a "beauty in her 30s who looks like she's in her 20s" can actually use her looks and youth — real assets — to snag and get supported by an actual high-spec man earning ¥10 million or ¥30 million. In other words, just looking like she's in her 20s is worth tens of millions of yen to a woman in practice. You can't tell the difference between a man's cardboard facade (lol) and a woman's actual asset value, which is exactly why you're capped out at ¥4.5 million. Maybe go study up a bit more?
>>141
You just really wanted to brand me as "low-spec" (lol), so you cooked up that whole extreme, twisted logic and posted it. Cute. You can say "same thing, right? (smugly)" all you want, but it doesn't change one bit of the reality that I actually get mistaken for early-20s and get plenty of male attention. While you're off in a corner of the internet chanting your little curse of "she's the same as a ¥1 million earner!", I'm out here getting treated to nice dinners by high-spec men I've charmed. Good luck keeping up that hollow mental gymnastics. (lol)
You just really wanted to brand me as "low-spec" (lol), so you cooked up that whole extreme, twisted logic and posted it. Cute. You can say "same thing, right? (smugly)" all you want, but it doesn't change one bit of the reality that I actually get mistaken for early-20s and get plenty of male attention. While you're off in a corner of the internet chanting your little curse of "she's the same as a ¥1 million earner!", I'm out here getting treated to nice dinners by high-spec men I've charmed. Good luck keeping up that hollow mental gymnastics. (lol)
Hold on… did the VIP rule of "everyone's assumed to be a middle-aged guy until proven otherwise" stop being a thing?
>>136
Bringing up some ancient, nobody-cares-anymore 2ch "unwritten rule of VIP" (lol) — a genuine fossil of an old man (50s) must have wandered in. You got so thoroughly demolished by me in reality that you've now retreated into telling yourself "she must be some middle-aged guy! My pride depends on it!" as an escape from reality. Whether I'm a middle-aged guy or a beauty doesn't change the cruel fact, not one bit, that you're a "¥4.5 million basement-dwelling uncle" who nobody picks. The fact that you haven't noticed that is the funniest part of all. (lol)
Bringing up some ancient, nobody-cares-anymore 2ch "unwritten rule of VIP" (lol) — a genuine fossil of an old man (50s) must have wandered in. You got so thoroughly demolished by me in reality that you've now retreated into telling yourself "she must be some middle-aged guy! My pride depends on it!" as an escape from reality. Whether I'm a middle-aged guy or a beauty doesn't change the cruel fact, not one bit, that you're a "¥4.5 million basement-dwelling uncle" who nobody picks. The fact that you haven't noticed that is the funniest part of all. (lol)
>>136
Idiot, taking the bait full-force is what being a VIPPER (regular of the VIP board) is all about — why are you acting all too-cool-for-this?
Idiot, taking the bait full-force is what being a VIPPER (regular of the VIP board) is all about — why are you acting all too-cool-for-this?
*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (News VIP) thread “[Sad News] Woman in her 30s: “How do men earning under ¥6 million even survive? They’re off the marriage table for me”.”
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