Category: Lifestyle

  • 60% of Restaurants Expect Fewer Customers — 5ch: “Just Lower Prices, You’re Basically Admitting It’s Too Expensive”

    The Japan Foodservice Association released survey results on the 9th from 204 member companies regarding the consumption tax cut on food planned for next April. 57.8% of companies expect customer numbers to decline from April onward, with a third of those forecasting a steep drop of “around 10%” or “over 15%.” Two-thirds of respondents also said it would take more than six months for customer numbers to return to previous levels. Since the tax cut applies only to groceries and excludes dining out, the industry is worried the price gap with supermarket bento boxes and prepared foods will widen further. On 5ch, discussion ranged from explanations of how the consumption tax actually works (the input tax credit) to debate over whether the restaurant industry deserves government support.

    The Japan Foodservice Association, made up of restaurant companies, announced survey results on the 9th showing that roughly 60% of restaurant businesses expect customer numbers to decline if the consumption tax cut on food and beverages goes into effect next April.

    The industry is concerned that since dining out is excluded from the tax cut, the price gap with supermarket bento boxes and similar products will widen, and it is calling on the government for support measures.

    The survey covered association member companies and received responses from 204 of them. Of these, 57.8% expect customer numbers to fall from April onward. Those forecasting a decline of “around 10%” and “over 15%” together made up a third of respondents. Two-thirds said it would take more than six months for customer numbers to return to previous levels, reflecting strong anxiety that the drop in customers could drag on.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:42
    Japan just isn't a place where you can casually eat out anymore.
    5AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:43
    Re: #1
    They can't even agree on where the money for the consumption tax cut itself is coming from, so where exactly is the money for supporting the industry supposed to come from?
    Japan's probably headed toward the European model anyway, so I think the restaurant industry is going to shrink to some degree regardless.
    6AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:43
    There's precedent from Germany — just start offering takeout yourselves and make it work.
    9AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:46
    The tax cut lowers ingredient costs, so they should just lower their prices. Simple as that.
    102AnonymousOct 9, 2026 17:35
    Re: #9
    There's this thing called the input tax credit, see…
    It offsets against the consumption tax collected on sales,
    so effectively you were never really paying the tax on your purchases in the first place.
    Even if the tax on ingredient purchases goes down, it just means you owe more tax on sales — profit doesn't actually increase.
    12AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:47
    Why not, though?
    If there's no consumption tax on it, purchasing gets cheaper, right?

    That doesn't add up to me.
    26AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:50
    Re: #12
    Even if you pay less tax on purchases,
    once you make sales you just end up remitting more tax than before anyway.
    It's a meaningless tax cut.
    27AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:50
    Consumption tax rates:

    Denmark 25% (food 25%)
    Norway 25% (food 15%)
    Finland 24% (food 14%)
    Japan 10% (food 8%)

    Japan's consumption tax is already low, so there's no need to cut it further, let alone abolish it.
    166AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:36
    Re: #27
    The Nordic countries are high-welfare states — but Japan is cutting welfare. "No need for a tax cut or abolition"? That makes no sense to me.
    35AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:54
    Eating out is a luxury. No need to cut taxes on it.
    73AnonymousOct 9, 2026 17:15
    Re: #35
    Exactly.
    Taxing more heavily those who can afford to spend on luxuries is basic policy.
    Nobody's proposing to raise taxes on eating out, so quit complaining.
    39AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:58
    If that's what you think, then lower your prices. You're basically admitting it's overpriced.
    41AnonymousOct 9, 2026 16:58
    Re: #1
    ●A tax cut on food alone will have almost no effect.

    And reverting it after just 2 years is a terrible policy 💀

    🐻A consumption tax cut only matters if it's applied uniformly across the board
    (take-home pay would rise, and electricity, water, utility bills — everything — would drop)
    🐨Consumption tax isn't money a business holds in trust, so prices won't necessarily drop by the full 8% — prices are set by supply and demand
    🐼A uniform tax cut does more to boost wages than it does to fight inflation (since consumption tax is effectively levied on labor costs too)

    https://up.gc-img.net/post_img/2026/10/X3KyNco76MRwkyN_d3ldO_9.jpeg
    https://up.gc-img.net/post_img/2026/02/LY4YnHZKBenwTDm_NMIeO_42.png

    If the consumption tax is going to be cut at all, it needs to be a "uniform cut" paired with scrapping the invoice system — and ideally the rate should be brought down to 0% permanently.

    🐥What should actually be done:

    ●If small and midsize businesses stop owing tens of millions of yen in consumption tax a year, employees' take-home pay rises by over ¥200,000–300,000 annually.
    ●Cutting social insurance premiums raises take-home pay by several hundred thousand yen a year.
    ●Raising the income thresholds (the ¥1.78M/¥2M "wall") across the board raises take-home pay by over ¥100,000 a year.
    112AnonymousOct 9, 2026 17:44
    "Is the government trying to destroy the restaurant industry?" — restaurant owners' anguished cries as the consumption tax cut debate heats up; what would a 1% rate on food mean for restaurants? | News Runner (Kansai TV News)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqUkrupG04E

    And the Yahoo News version:

    "Is the government trying to destroy the restaurant industry?" — restaurant owners cry out as the consumption tax cut leaves "food at 1% but dining out at 10%," risking a customer exodus; already pushed to the limit by inflation, owners trying everything from "concept izakaya" gimmicks to get by, now calling for relief
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/8dd6526a1fb49f64abd4ad682784a2b5f849e968?page=1
    162AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:35
    Re: #112
    They should have let more of them go under during COVID.
    Japan's about the only country dumb enough to go around protecting the restaurant industry.
    This isn't the time to be burning through people, goods, and money on pointless cutthroat competition.
    In the end the only ones actually profiting from all this are the landlords.
    119AnonymousOct 9, 2026 17:51
    These guys made a killing off those COVID relief payments.
    120AnonymousOct 9, 2026 17:53
    Re: #119
    My hard-earned tax money going to shops I've never even set foot in.
    135AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:04
    During COVID too, they just poured money into the restaurant industry and nowhere else.
    139AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:08
    Re: #135
    Don't you mean the "Go To Travel" industry?
    142AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:12
    Worry about it once customer numbers actually drop. They'll probably barely decline at all — they might even go up.
    153AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:21
    Re: #142
    That's just indecisiveness — waiting to see the results and reacting after the fact.
    146AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:15
    Restaurants' tax on the food they buy is going down too, right? If they lower prices to match, wouldn't that create a sense of good value and bring in more customers? Surely they're not going to just keep charging the same prices as now?
    149AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:17
    Re: #146
    Whether a company pays consumption tax or gets it refunded, its books don't move one millimeter into the black or the red.
    It's not like purchasing suddenly got cheaper or anything like that.
    155AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:23
    Re: #146
    That would be true if the restaurant were a small tax-exempt business.
    But for the vast majority of restaurants, which are regular taxable businesses, this tax cut provides zero funding for any price cut.
    158AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:30
    Re: #155
    Oh, I see. I'm not well versed in tax law so I don't fully get it, but apparently big companies like chains get no benefit from the tax cut.
    Doesn't that mean big companies were already set up with tax advantages elsewhere? If they've been quietly enjoying that all along, it seems off for them to kick up a fuss only now that something's working against them.
    188AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:46
    Re: #158
    To begin with, in any industry, for any product, you don't actually bear the consumption tax charged on your purchases.
    When you buy meat for ¥1,080 (tax included), you're paying ¥1,080 and receiving ¥1,000 worth of meat plus an invoice worth ¥80.
    Think of the invoice as a voucher that's only usable when you yourself remit consumption tax.
    Even if the tax cut brings that down to ¥1,010 (tax included), you're paying ¥1,010 and receiving ¥1,000 worth of meat plus a ¥10 invoice.
    Since the invoice can be used as a voucher later, nothing actually changes in substance.

    Small tax-exempt businesses never remit consumption tax in the first place, so even when they receive an invoice, they have no occasion to use it as a voucher.
    182AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:40
    Surely people in the restaurant industry get some benefit from the tax cut too?
    200AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:54
    Re: #182
    Probably not — the drop will likely be noticeable.

    For reference, when the consumption tax was raised to 10%, demand for eating out fell 2–3%, which is actually a pretty big deal.
    At that time food (including takeout) was taxed at 8% — a gap of only "2%" — and even that caused this much of a drop.
    This time the tax gap is "10%." Of course the industry is demanding a response.

    So what if dining out were also taxed at 1%? That would definitely pile more inflation (price hikes) on top of what's already happening — because if demand for eating out rose, you'd get shortages of ingredients and price increases.
    The view is that dining out was excluded from the cut precisely out of fear of this.
    Since ingredients used for restaurants aren't cleanly separated from regular groceries, naturally, prices for ordinary groceries would end up rising too! What is this nonsense!
    197AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:52
    So the idea is that people who've been eating out instead of cooking for themselves will suddenly go "Whoa! Food got cheaper, I can buy vegetables for a few yen less! I'm gonna quit eating out and start cooking at home!!!"?
    Yeah right, as if.
    199AnonymousOct 9, 2026 18:54
    Re: #197
    "I'll skip eating out and just grab a bento to take home instead" — that's entirely plausible, though.
    207AnonymousOct 9, 2026 19:01
    The public was asking for a consumption tax cut, and somehow it turned into a tax cut only on food.
    Even just 2% would be fine — lower the consumption tax across the board.
    211AnonymousOct 9, 2026 19:09
    Re: #207
    That's only doable if you massively cut elderly healthcare, pensions, and long-term care.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    The consumption tax currently stands at 10%, but a reduced rate of 8% already applies to food (for takeout). The tax cut now under discussion would lower the rate on food even further while leaving dining out excluded, widening the price gap with supermarket bento boxes and prepared foods even beyond today’s levels. The industry’s wariness is grounded in past experience: when the consumption tax was raised to 10% in 2019, demand for eating out fell 2–3% even though the gap with food was only 2% at the time. This time the gap could reach as much as 10%, which is driving the strong sense of alarm. A point raised repeatedly in the thread was a rebuttal to the view that “if the tax on ingredients goes down, purchasing gets cheaper, so prices should come down” — since tax paid on purchases is already effectively offset through the input tax credit, the cut itself provides no funding for price reductions. Differing understandings of this tax mechanism were what split opinion over the forecast of falling customer numbers.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread ‘[Food Tax Cut] 60% of Restaurants Expect Fewer Customers — Industry Group Requests Support, “Very Worried About the Perception That Only Dining Out Got More Expensive”‘.

  • Even a ¥6 Million Household Income Can’t Afford Private Middle School Exams — 5ch Reacts: ‘This Isn’t a Household That Should Be Having Kids’

    An article that went viral on 5ch’s Breaking News+ board revealed that the median household income for families with children attending private middle schools exceeds ¥11 million a year, with only 13% of such households earning ¥6 million or less. The piece also noted that 44% of University of Tokyo students graduated from private combined junior-senior high schools, once again highlighting just how much a family’s financial power shapes educational outcomes. The thread saw a clash between those who argued “public school is fine” or “if you’re smart enough, you can get in without cram school,” and others who bluntly framed private middle school exams as “buying your child’s future with money.” Vivid firsthand accounts from graduates of Japan’s elite “Big Three” prep schools and the University of Tokyo flew back and forth.

    <The median annual household income for families sending their children to private middle schools is over ¥11 million, and only 13% of such households earn ¥6 million or less>

    The widening income gap between households is now casting a shadow over children’s education. (photoAC)

    Looking at the high schools University of Tokyo students graduated from, 44% attended private combined junior-senior high schools (from the 2023 University of Tokyo Student Life Survey). Since private school students make up only about 8% of all middle schoolers nationwide, it’s safe to estimate that students at private combined junior-senior high schools account for a somewhat smaller share — roughly 5%.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    6AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:34
    Why not just go to public school?
    108AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:20
    Re: #6
    Both sons of a family in the next village over went from the local public middle school to a public high school, and both ended up at the University of Tokyo.
    One rose through the ranks to become chairman of a major company, and the other is apparently a Nobel Prize contender.
    If a kid's got what it takes, a nearby public high school is plenty.
    137AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:34
    Re: #6
    These days that kind of path makes people worry about the future.
    16AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:40
    Is private middle school exam prep even necessary?
    20AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:42
    Re: #16
    Public schools these days are so rough that there's a risk your kid ends up committing a crime.
    64AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:59
    Re: #16
    Wealthy families like it because if you finish the exam before the rebellious teenage phase hits, you can coast with some peace of mind all the way to university entrance exams.
    Even with a low household income, public combined junior-senior high schools are a good option since they don't cost tuition.
    74AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:01
    Re: #16
    It's necessary.
    At the end of the day, people only grow through competition.
    Private schools are better because the competition is handpicked.

    Though apparently some rare geniuses grow just fine without any competition at all.
    22AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:42
    Going through private middle school exams only to end up at a MARCH-tier university (a group of mid-ranked private universities) must be living hell — it's basically proof you're a no-hoper with no room left to grow.
    40AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:49
    Re: #22
    Tons of MARCH students come straight from rural public schools, but if you're below average among private middle-school exam takers, you can't even make it into MARCH.
    The handful of genuinely sharp kids get funneled into the "Big Three" elite schools, and everyone else is just fertilizer.
    That's the private exam-prep industry for you.
    48AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:53
    Re: #22
    Plenty of kids who go through private middle school exams end up at Todai, Waseda, or Keio (the "Teisōkei" tier — imperial universities plus Waseda/Keio) though.
    31AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:46
    Re: #20
    Public schools were way rougher 30 years ago.
    These days, a lot of public school kids are just apathetic.
    When it comes to university, it doesn't make much difference whether you went private or public.
    I think there was data showing the average Sapix (a top cram school) student's future track ends up at "Nikko-Koma" tier schools (lower-ranked private universities) anyway.
    71AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:00
    Re: #31
    Depends on the municipality.

    Some areas are "public school kingdoms,"
    where private school has a strong image of being "where rich idiots go."
    33AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:47
    Re: #1
    Back in the day, people lived together with their parents' and grandparents' generations,

    sharing the fixed costs of childcare, housework, and running a household, which is exactly why so many young people could marry and have kids with peace of mind.

    The spread of individualism has split the parent/grandparent generation off from the younger generation, dumping all the responsibility and burden of child-rearing onto the younger generation alone,

    turning marriage and child-rearing into expensive luxuries.

    What Japan actually needs to fix its declining birthrate is to abandon individualism.
    59AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:57
    Re: #33
    There's data showing the unmarried rate started climbing noticeably right around the time arranged marriages and workplace marriages declined.
    Pretty much every country where free-choice dating became the norm ends up with a falling birthrate.
    Because once that becomes the mainstream, a certain chunk of the population simply can't find a spouse.
    34AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:47
    So if the kid's in middle school, the parents are probably in their late 30s.
    ¥6 million a year, huh.
    45AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:50
    Re: #34
    With marriages happening later these days, most parents are in their 40s now.
    Though in rural areas you still get a lot of younger parents.
    52AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:55
    Re: #34
    A household income of ¥6 million split between two earners would mean ¥3 million each, which just isn't realistic.
    That's not a household that should be having kids, honestly.
    38AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:48
    Even back in the Showa era, kids from ¥6 million households weren't doing private middle school exams.
    62AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:58
    Re: #38
    My family made over ¥30 million and we were still lower-middle in my class.
    Even in the Showa era, a household income in the hundreds of millions of yen was completely normal in that world.
    At my school, I don't think a single household made only ¥6 million.
    65AnonymousOct 8, 2026 19:59
    Re: #38
    ¥6 million in the Showa era was a pretty high income though.
    Wouldn't that be enough to go private?
    75AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:02
    Re: #66
    I'm a graduate of one of the "Big Three" elite schools, and literally everyone's parents were politicians, bureaucrats, executives, or doctors.
    No idea what the bottom-tier private schools are like though.
    80AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:04
    Re: #75
    Azabu, maybe?
    Now that you mention it, the Azabu crowd did seem kind of out of touch with reality — but isn't your final degree what actually matters?
    90AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:10
    Re: #80
    My final degree is from Hitotsubashi, but I never really crossed paths with kids from combined junior-senior high schools or rural public schools, so I couldn't tell you.
    Even the clubs and seminars I was in only let in graduates of prestigious schools.
    Even in college, I never heard of anyone around me whose household income was under ¥10 million.
    98AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:16
    Re: #90
    I went to the University of Tokyo, but the people I actually hung out with were all regular folks.
    Maybe people just naturally flock together with others like themselves no matter where they end up.
    184AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:58
    Re: #90
    People who actually bring up their household income like that are maybe one in ten million.
    122AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:25
    It's six years of getting a head start through a combined junior-senior high school curriculum,

    a battle where mediocre kids from Tokyo and Osaka try to out-cram raw provincial talent — the kind that comes roaring back during the three years of high school — by cheating with double the study hours.
    134AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:33
    Re: #122
    Exactly.
    Private middle school exams are how mediocre kids use money to boost their future prospects.
    Every family doing the exam prep thing knows this.
    Though these days, since so few kids are even being born in rural areas anymore, apparently almost everyone at Todai comes from the greater Tokyo area now.
    139AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:36
    Re: #122
    That's an intense battle lol
    The scary part is that even if you win,
    the expected payoff in life you actually get
    really doesn't add up to the effort.
    146AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:41
    Public school is fine.
    Don't fall for the education industry's scheme to make "private middle school is the norm" common sense.
    40% of Japanese people get by in life without even finishing college, let alone attending private middle school.
    148AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:42
    Re: #146
    The real question is what kind of life that 40% is actually living.
    149AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:42
    Re: #146
    There are prefectures where the public middle schools are so bad that people avoid them entirely.
    156AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:44
    There's also the option of taking the exam for a public combined junior-senior high school.
    Since it's a pure test of natural intelligence, if you're smart enough you can get in without heavy-duty prep.
    162AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:48
    Re: #156
    You basically can't pass those without cram-school prep specifically for public combined junior-senior high exams.
    To begin with, almost nobody applies to public combined schools as their only choice.
    The competition ratio is just too high.
    169AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:51
    Re: #162
    If you're smart enough, you'll pass.
    The essay section needs technique so that requires some prep, but everything else is basically pure brainpower.

    You're just falling for the cram schools' marketing that says you can't pass without them.
    171AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:52
    Re: #162
    Put the other way, if your natural intelligence isn't quite there, no amount of effort will get you into a public combined junior-senior high school.
    It's clearly the private middle school exam route where effort actually pays off.
    157AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:45
    Private middle school exams aren't even necessary, right?
    Nobel Prize winners are almost all public-school graduates.

    The only exception is maybe Mr. Noyori.
    I think there's some kind of causal link there.
    161AnonymousOct 8, 2026 20:47
    Re: #157
    Kids from wealthy families don't go into basic research — it's unglamorous work that doesn't pay.
    And to begin with, both Mr. Kyōgō and Mr. Yamanaka went to public high schools anyway.
    187AnonymousOct 8, 2026 21:01
    Re: #157
    The venue for the national exam was at one of those elite prep high schools, and the facilities were practically business-hotel level.
    I remember thinking, if I went to a place like this, my soul would rot.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    Nationally, only about 8% of middle schoolers attend private schools, yet the fact that 44% of University of Tokyo students come from private combined junior-senior high schools shows just how much household income shapes access to higher education. The original article’s figures — a median income over ¥11 million for private middle school households, with only 13% earning ¥6 million or less — are worth reading carefully: since ¥6 million a year is close to the national average rather than a poverty-level income, this isn’t fundamentally a story about absolute poverty. It’s a story about a relative gap that has opened up between those who can afford to compete in the exam race and those who can’t. In the thread, optimistic takes like “public school is enough” and “a smart enough kid can get into a public combined school without cram school” sat alongside more cynical ones like “private middle school exams are just mediocre people buying future potential with money” — notably, neither camp actually denied the value of the exam system itself. At the same time, comments that dismissed public schools as unsafe or academically weak were often just impressions without concrete evidence, and should be read with that caveat.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “Even a ¥6 Million Household Income Makes Private Middle School Exams Tough for Kids… The Reality That ‘Marriage and Childbirth Are Luxuries,’ as Revealed by the Income Distribution of Households with School-Age Children“.

  • Marunouchi OL Reina’s cozy photo-booth pics with Daisuke Hori spark 5ch reaction: “This industry would die without stunts”

    Influencer Marunouchi OL Reina has posted close-up photo-booth (purikura) pictures on X with businessman Daisuke Hori, who claims to have slept just 30 minutes a day for the past 17 years. Reina rose to fame this past May with a viral “human champagne tower” video, and this time she paired the photos with a message asking people to “stay out of other people’s love lives,” effectively confirming the relationship. Reactions on 5ch were split: some said there’s no issue since Hori is already divorced, while others suspected the two are simply using each other to boost their profiles. Deep skepticism about Hori’s “30-minute sleep” claim itself also ran strong.

    October 8, 2026

    Influencer Marunouchi OL Reina (age undisclosed), who drew attention this past May with a viral “human champagne tower” video on X, updated her account by the 7th. She posted photo-booth images with businessman Daisuke Hori (42), who has gained attention as a self-proclaimed short sleeper claiming to have kept up “30 minutes of sleep a day” for 17 years — and the post is generating buzz.

    That day, Reina wrote, “Thank you for choosing me despite everything that happened. I’d like people to stay out of other people’s love lives,” alongside two photo-booth images of her snuggled up with Hori, plus screenshots of their LINE messages and an roughly 8-second video. The photo-booth images are inscribed with sweet phrases like “Thanks as always, on our first date now” and “Love you,” and show Hori grinning broadly next to Reina, whose face is hidden behind a mask.

    Source: pinzuba.news / Original article here

    3AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:20
    Hori's already divorced, so there's no problem here.
    8AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:23
    If you go public with something like this, people are gonna talk trash about it — that's just how it goes.
    If this were a leaked candid shot I'd feel for her, but she clearly did this for the attention.
    13AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:25
    Who and who?

    Some professor out there: "Short sleepers like that don't exist, lol"
    16AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:26
    This guy's probably going to get all sorts of things exposed by this woman down the line.

    Listen up, everyone, take a good look —
    this is capitalism!
    25AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:30
    Must be one of those scenes where you die if you're not constantly stirring up buzz.
    26AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:30
    Wait, when did Hori even get divorced?
    28AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:30
    Guess two shady characters just click.
    31AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:32
    Net users sure love this kind of person, huh.
    34AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:32
    Seriously, what a walking mass of attention-seeking.
    Like, no method is off the table as long as it gets eyes on them.
    37AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:34
    ">Your personalities seem like such a perfect match, you two make a great couple"

    Yeah… that comment right there says it all.
    38AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:35
    And here we go again — people who can't think for themselves getting milked for engagement, lol
    61AnonymousOct 8, 2026 07:46
    This is the only industry Japan has left.
    The model adult for kids to aspire to be.
    89AnonymousOct 8, 2026 08:06
    Re: #61
    And to think this is a country with the brainpower to win Nobel Prizes…
    How did it fall this far?
    90AnonymousOct 8, 2026 08:07
    I only found out about Daisuke Hori from that livestream that went viral — what was he originally famous for?
    97AnonymousOct 8, 2026 08:11
    Re: #90
    Nadal with hair
    104AnonymousOct 8, 2026 08:13
    So the "30 minutes of sleep" thing was a lie after all?
    108AnonymousOct 8, 2026 08:15
    Re: #104
    Literally nobody in Japan believes that.

    Background and Key Points of This Story

    Daisuke Hori is a businessman known for claiming he has slept just 30 minutes a day for 17 years, and within the thread some pointed out that sleep science experts have questioned whether true short sleepers even exist. Extreme short-duration sleep is considered medically very rare, and Hori’s claim has never been independently verified. Meanwhile, Marunouchi OL Reina is an influencer who gained recognition from her viral “human champagne tower” video this past May, and she proactively announced this relationship herself on X. Opinions in the thread split between reactions to her plea of “stay out of other people’s love lives” and suspicions that “the two of them might just be using each other to generate buzz.” Several also pointed out that since Hori is already divorced, there’s no issue of infidelity involved. As for the truth of his sleep claims, many reactions showed little domestic trust in them — with the focus of the discussion centering less on the photo-booth pictures themselves and more on doubts about Hori’s background and claims.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Entertainment/Sports News+) thread “‘Human Champagne Tower’ Marunouchi OL Reina’s Intimate ‘Love You’ Photo-Booth Pics with Short-Sleeper Daisuke Hori Heat Up the Board — ‘Stay Out of Other People’s Love Lives’ [Ailuropoda melanoleuca★]“

  • Only 30% of Japanese Know Narazuke Pickles, But 60% of Those Who’ve Tried Them Say They’re Delicious — 5ch Is Split

    According to a survey by Maidona News, only about 30% of respondents said they “know narazuke well,” revealing that this pickle is surprisingly less well-known than you’d expect. On the other hand, among those who have actually eaten it, about 60% answered that it was “delicious” — meaning that despite its low name recognition, the reviews aren’t bad at all. This gap between awareness and appreciation became a hot topic on 5ch as well, with the discussion expanding to cover likes and dislikes of the distinctive sake-lees flavor, confusion with other types of pickles, and even its connection to breathalyzer tests.

    Survey period: September 8 – September 15, 2026

    [Do You Know Narazuke?] “I Know It Well” at 30%… About 60% of Those Who’ve Eaten It Say “It Was Delicious” | Maidona News

    2026.10.07 (Wed) Maidona News Editorial Desk

    Source: maidonanews.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:36
    How about some bubuzuke? (a classic Kyoto saying that's actually a polite hint it's time for guests to leave)
    95AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:03
    Pickled venison, huh…

    Re: #3
    Pickled Beelzebub, huh… (a pun — "bubuzuke" sounds like "Beelzebub" in Japanese)
    11AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:39
    Something I don't even remember eating.
    Seriously doubt it's actually that tasty.
    Just leave it on restaurant tables or in bento boxes.
    Unless you're trying to hide it, I guess…
    59AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:51
    Re: #11
    It's in high-end bento boxes, like makunouchi!
    16AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:40
    Wasn't this used as an excuse during breathalyzer tests? Though they always saw through it.
    192AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:09
    Re: #16
    Apparently the police ran human trials on that — testing people with high, low, and average alcohol tolerance to see what reading you get per amount eaten — so they already have the data, and that excuse doesn't fly.
    25AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:42
    Most of what's pickled is melon, but you'll also see cucumber, watermelon, and eggplant versions at souvenir shops. Specialty stores seem to have even more unusual varieties.
    210AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:24
    Re: #25
    Isn't it basically burdock root and Moriguchi daikon?
    34AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:46
    I like booze, but I don't like narazuke.
    139AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:21
    Re: #34
    Opposite for me — I don't like booze, but I do like narazuke.
    35AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:46
    People from Kanto only accept flavors they already know. No curiosity for unfamiliar tastes. That's why their food culture never developed.
    78AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:59
    Re: #35
    Narazuke actually feels more like a Kanto food to me, honestly — that eccentric, shallow vibe it has.
    38AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:47
    Do you have narazuke?

    Sorry, we don't carry that here — this is Kyoto, after all.
    41AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:48
    I wonder if you could make ochazuke (tea poured over rice) out of it.
    52AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:50
    Seems like it'd go well with cream cheese.
    125AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:15
    No way 60% actually said it was delicious.
    40AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:48
    30% of Japanese people can barely drink at all — one cup (180ml) of sake and they feel sick.
    30% of Japanese people have low tolerance — one cup and they're flushed with a racing heart.
    30% of Japanese people have high tolerance — five beers or chuhai and they're still in good spirits.
    10% of Japanese people are bottomless pits — downing a full bottle of sake overnight or several bottles of wine.

    So roughly half finding narazuke delicious checks out.
    74AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:56
    Re: #40
    I can drink endlessly, but narazuke still tastes bad.

    It's a pickle nobody asked for — all that effort just to make something unpleasant. Chop it up for ochazuke or process it and it adds a nice accent, but eaten plain it's bad.
    42AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:48
    Thought it was gross when I was young, but surprisingly it's grown on me with age.
    77AnonymousOct 7, 2026 18:58
    It's strange that there's no narazuke-flavored onigiri.
    98AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:03
    Re: #77
    That's because it doesn't go with rice, lol
    86AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:01
    There's a knockoff of narazuke near my place called Konan-zuke.
    152AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:30
    Re: #86
    You must be from Nada Ward in Kobe.
    90AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:02
    The narazuke in keihan (Amami-style chicken and rice soup) is insanely good — it exists just for keihan.
    135AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:20
    Re: #90
    I figured nobody would know keihan so I didn't mention it, but there's someone else who gets it. The mainland doesn't have pickled papaya, so this is a substitute, but it's the best.
    93AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:03
    Kakinoha-zushi (persimmon-leaf sushi) isn't tasty either — Nara has no good food.
    104AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:05
    Re: #93
    Yeah, not tasty lol. Maybe because it's a preserved food? lol Eating it plain just feels like a waste of good salmon. And it's sour.
    119AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:12
    No way, narazuke is good. It's a flavor you come to appreciate as an adult.
    124AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:14
    Re: #119
    I've only eaten it as a kid, but I only remember it being delicious.
    138AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:20
    Re: #1
    If only 30% know it and 60% of those rate it highly, doesn't that mean under 20% overall think it's delicious?
    142AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:22
    Re: #138
    But the low ratings are only 10%.
    147AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:26
    149AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:28
    I once had someone buy me narazuke from a famous shop. It was recommended by a Tenri University student. It was incredibly delicious — I had no idea narazuke could taste this good. Completely different from any narazuke I'd had before. But I forgot the name of the shop — I was told 'you'll know it, it's famous.'
    173AnonymousOct 7, 2026 19:47
    Re: #149
    Maybe Imanishi Honten or Yamazakiya?
    198AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:12
    Could it be that gross white sticky stuff? Smells awful too, the worst.

    I feel like I saw it on a school trip to Kyoto and Nara.
    201AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:14
    Re: #198
    Are you talking about senmaizuke?
    205AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:20
    Re: #198
    Bettarazuke? Narazuke is brown.
    203AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:18
    To-ichi, to-ichi, eleven narazuke— (sounds like an old nonsense jingle/chant; meaning unclear)
    208AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:22
    Narazuke paired with cheese is the ultimate drinking snack. Bought a ton of it at a Nara shopping arcade decked out with monkey charms (the "migawari-zaru" talismans hung from eaves in Naramachi), but ate it all right away.

    Re: #203
    Brings back memories.
    213AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:27
    When you ask what narazuke actually is, I don't really get it. Why does it turn brown from being pickled in sake lees?
    219AnonymousOct 7, 2026 20:31
    Re: #213
    Maillard reaction.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Narazuke is a local pickle from Nara Prefecture, made by burying white melon, cucumber, Moriguchi daikon, and other vegetables in sake lees for a long period. Because the alcohol in the lees remains in the finished product, even a small amount can cause alcohol to register on a breathalyzer — a point raised in the thread as “it gets used as an excuse during drunk-driving checks,” though some pointed out that police reportedly have data linking the amount eaten to the resulting reading. Another point of discussion was how easily narazuke gets confused with similar-looking pickles made by comparable methods, such as senmaizuke, bettarazuke, and Konan-zuke, with several replies in the thread pointing out the differences. As for why opinions are so divided, multiple posters noted that the distinctive sake-lees flavor and deep color can be off-putting as a child but grow on you with age — and the gap between low awareness and high approval is likely due to narazuke being a preserved food that people simply don’t eat very often.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “[Do You Know Narazuke?] “I Know It Well” at 30%… About 60% of Those Who’ve Eaten It Say “It Was Delicious”.”

  • ‘Sekkaku Gourmet’ Location-Shoot Interruption Sparks Controversy — 5ch: ‘So Pushy’

    During a street interview filmed in Kochi City for the October 4 broadcast of TBS’s “Bananaman’s Sekkaku Gourmet!!”, a group of female middle and high schoolers was asked to recommend a local restaurant but couldn’t come up with an answer — so a separate group of passersby jumped in and suggested one instead. This “interruption” sparked controversy online, with 5ch users split between those who suspected “scripted staging” and those who saw it as simply “helping out the flustered schoolgirls.” Criticism also piled up calling the group that butted in “pushy,” fueling an even broader debate.

    Mon, Oct 5, 16:24

    Footage from a location shoot for the TBS variety show “Bananaman’s Sekkaku Gourmet!!,” aired on the 4th, is causing a stir online. During a street-interview segment, a separate group of ordinary people stepped in to “interrupt,” and viewers are now sharply divided over the scene.

    The scene in question happened during a shoot in Kochi City featuring Snow Man’s Tatsuya Fukasawa and the twin comedy duo “The Tucchi.” Fukasawa and the others approached a group that appeared to be female middle and high schoolers and asked them to recommend some local food, but the group was stumped and couldn’t answer.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:48
    They were enjoying watching the schoolgirls (JC/JK, slang for middle/high schoolers) squirm — don't go ruining that.
    4AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:49
    Bananaman themselves are unpleasant to begin with.
    5AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:49
    Don't get so worked up about it.
    It's all scripted anyway.
    86AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:53
    Re: #5
    Exactly that.
    6AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:50
    They're schoolgirls who came from the future.
    7AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:50
    This show did the same thing before too — I think it was the Akita episode — some old lady butted in and it was annoying.
    8AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:50
    Is it fake news that they were plugging their own restaurant?
    11AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:52
    Sekkaku Gourmet once came to a shop I used to work part-time at — Himura just showed up out of nowhere and told us directly, 'We'd like to film here.'
    12AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:53
    If they actually aired it, then it must've been fine by the show's own standards.
    13AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:53
    They're calling it an 'interruption,'
    but was it some kind of queue situation?
    Makes no sense.
    14AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:54
    Asking random passersby for restaurant recommendations and then having them whip out a phone to Google it on the spot defeats the whole point.
    15AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:54
    They probably just wanted to advertise some insider's restaurant on TV.
    16AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:55
    Nah, stuff like this is all arranged in advance.
    Though I didn't actually watch it, so take it with a grain of salt.
    17AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:55
    Okamura (comedian): 'If you don't like it, just don't watch it.'
    18AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:55
    Ah, I missed it, too bad.
    But that doesn't mean 'you have to watch or you'll miss stuff like this'… no.
    19AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:56
    Like during the pandemic, it might've been better to set up a monitor and ask remotely.
    Himura-bot, Gal Sone-bot (a famous competitive eater), and Mendy-bot…
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:58
    Re: #19
    Even with the robot/remote setup, interruptions happened a lot.
    Especially when a Johnny's (major idol agency) talent was on.
    20AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:56
    Last time too, they were asking some old guy and someone else jumped in partway through.
    22AnonymousOct 5, 2026 19:58
    Middle/high schoolers wouldn't know a good restaurant to recommend anyway — the staff just wanted an excuse to interact with them.
    26AnonymousOct 5, 2026 20:01
    Re: #22
    That reminds me — after Himura's underage-conduct scandal, he suddenly stopped approaching schoolgirls (JC/JK) at all, even though he used to do it constantly before. The segment itself stopped running for a while too.
    30AnonymousOct 5, 2026 20:03
    TV runs on a schedule timed to the second — there's no room for anything unplanned to slip in.
    This too is just part of the staging.
    Understanding that and still enjoying it is what watching TV is about.
    34AnonymousOct 5, 2026 20:08
    Re: #30
    No way that's true.
    It's just filler to pad out the broadcast slot.
    37AnonymousOct 5, 2026 20:15
    If they're just going to Google it on their phone anyway, having some lady butt in from the side actually makes more sense for the show.
    38AnonymousOct 5, 2026 20:15
    Whether an old lady's meddling is welcome depends on the time and place.
    39AnonymousOct 5, 2026 20:15
    When they came to my hometown, the restaurant pick felt off somehow.
    It reeked of being staged.
    58AnonymousOct 5, 2026 20:55
    Anyone complaining about this on TV can safely be written off as bottom-of-the-barrel trash.
    61AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:02
    Re: #58
    Remember that you and I — everyone on 5ch, really — rank even lower than that.
    63AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:07
    I thought Sekkaku Gourmet only worked when someone volunteered, like 'Oh, I know a place!'
    But here they put the first group on the spot, someone threw them a lifeline, and now people are saying 'poor first group!' I don't get it — were they supposed to just leave them hanging?
    66AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:14
    Re: #63
    That's adorably naive, I'm almost jealous.
    84AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:49
    Someone stepped in for the schoolgirls (JK) who couldn't answer — what's the problem?
    Do you have some twisted desire to watch them squirm instead?
    85AnonymousOct 5, 2026 21:50
    Re: #84
    Maybe it's because that particular restaurant just didn't feel right?
    The Kochi episode was a mess overall — they even revisited the same restaurant more than once.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    “Sekkaku Gourmet” is a variety show format in which cast members ask locals on the street to recommend a “hidden gem” restaurant, and some posters note that similar “poaching” reportedly happened on a previous episode too (the Akita one, by some accounts). Since viewers only ever see the edited broadcast, there’s no way to tell from the footage alone whether this scene was scripted or genuinely unplanned. The thread split between those who read it as “helping out the flustered schoolgirls” and those who saw it as “butting in just to grab the spotlight,” and little evidence exists to settle which reading is correct. Sympathy for the schoolgirls who couldn’t answer and one-sided criticism of the group that interrupted circulated side by side — and it’s easy to overlook that neither side actually knows what the producers intended.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geisokuho+) thread “‘So pushy,’ ‘Felt like they were throwing them a lifeline’ — ‘Sekkaku Gourmet’ location-shoot ‘interruption’ sparks controversy, snowballs into a major online debate.”

  • Is Piling Rice on the Back of the Fork Really Proper Manners? 5ch Says: ‘Fake Showa-Era Urban Legend’

    A personal story went viral on social media after a stranger told a woman at a restaurant that “proper manners require eating rice balanced on the back of your fork.” On 5ch, many commenters argued this eating style is actually a myth that spread during Japan’s Showa era and isn’t standard practice in the West at all — while others pointed to real regional differences, noting that “the British style puts food on the back of the fork, while the American style uses the front.” The discussion expanded into other “correct way to eat” debates, like whether to twirl pasta on a fork or the quirks of eating fried rice with a Chinese soup spoon, with opinions split down the middle.

    Is Balancing Rice on the Back of Your Fork Proper Manners? A Stranger’s Comment at a Restaurant Sparks Debate Over Table Manners — “I Eat That Way Too” vs. “Eat However You Like” | Maidona News

    Oct 5, 2026 (Mon) — Yuko Minakami

    A personal account of being corrected on table manners by a stranger at a restaurant has drawn major attention on social media.

    Source: maidonanews.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:20
    This was a thing back in the day, but
    nobody does it now, right?
    7AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:21
    Still pushing that dubious Showa-era urban legend, huh?

    That way of eating is awkward as hell, and nobody does it in other countries either, you idiot.
    11AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:22
    Re: #7
    Right?
    I think it's just a nasty piece of misinformation.
    103AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:32
    Re: #4 Re: #7
    There are still plenty of older people out there who mistakenly believe this is the correct manner.
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:23
    Re: #11
    With all the video sites out there,
    I've never once seen footage of people abroad actually eating that way —
    not even at the kind of upscale restaurant the article's talking about.

    It's seriously just a bogus Showa-era urban legend.
    40AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:25
    Re: #23
    If this isn't just a lazy rehash article, that lady's a victim too.
    There really was a time, way back when, that this was taught as proper manners —
    the Showa era.
    61AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:28
    Re: #40
    Like others are saying,
    it's probably the same deal as the pasta-twirling thing.

    Nobody in actual Italy does that either —
    they just scoop it up with the fork and eat it as is.
    That said, slurping too loudly is a no-go,
    so if a noodle's too long, you bite it off and let it drop.
    169AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:40
    Re: #61
    Only tourists bite their noodles off in Italy.
    The reason short noodle bits are left over at the end is BECAUSE people bite them off.
    212AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:44
    Re: #61
    I lived in America, and everyone twirled their pasta, though?
    35AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:25
    Fried rice with a Chinese soup spoon is kind of awkward to eat too.
    Is there some trick to it?
    176AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:41
    Re: #35
    Some restaurants give you a ramen spoon instead of a proper fried-rice spoon, you know.
    595AnonymousOct 5, 2026 14:20
    Re: #35
    Eating fried rice with a Chinese soup spoon is a Japan-only thing to begin with lol
    111AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:32
    Still, why the back of the fork though? Shape-wise, the other side is obviously easier to pile food onto.
    134AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:37
    Re: #111
    Probably because that's just the orientation you're already holding it in when eating meat.
    320AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:54
    Re: #111
    I actually tried it, and the back is easier to eat off of.
    191AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:42
    Re: #169
    This is about public manners.
    Rather than slurping loudly and making an unpleasant noise,
    biting it off between your lower lip and upper teeth and letting it drop
    is the normal thing to do.
    253AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:47
    Re: #191
    Only little kids use a spoon — plenty of adults twirl it normally too.
    Biting it off basically never happens.
    264AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:48
    Re: #253
    Just because something's easier to eat doesn't mean it's established as a manner.

    Re: #255
    Same goes for you.
    278AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:50
    Re: #264
    Maybe think about what "manners" actually means lol
    229AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:45
    Re: #212
    That's just about ease of eating, isn't it?
    Was it ever actually a manner?
    Was just scooping it up without twirling ever called a violation?
    236AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:45
    Re: #229
    It's a manner when you're out in public.
    At home I eat it without twirling, though.
    248AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:46
    Re: #236
    No it isn't —
    there's nothing wrong with eating it without twirling.
    271AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:49
    I always figured eating off the back of the fork was just normal table manners.

    Wait… now that I think about it, where did I even learn that?
    276AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:49
    Re: #271
    That itself is misinformation that spread during the Showa era.
    281AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:50
    Re: #271
    I was taught in elementary school that it was the correct manner.
    Looking back now, it was absolute nonsense.
    286AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:51
    Re: #271
    It's about as big a lie as the one claiming you're supposed to drink all the water in a finger bowl right away.
    397AnonymousOct 5, 2026 13:59
    Foreigners don't even eat rice with their steak to begin with.
    410AnonymousOct 5, 2026 14:00
    Re: #397
    What you eat with steak is mashed potatoes.
    At home I use Idahoan instant mashed potatoes, though.
    419AnonymousOct 5, 2026 14:01
    Re: #397
    Americans: "Rice is a vegetable. Of course you eat it as a side dish."
    423AnonymousOct 5, 2026 14:02
    Re: #397
    But I'm eating the steak just so I can eat the rice with it.
    501AnonymousOct 5, 2026 14:10
    Putting it on the back of the fork is the British style,
    putting it on the front of the fork is the American style.
    In a formal setting, going with the back is the safe choice, so this comment wasn't entirely off the mark.
    507AnonymousOct 5, 2026 14:11
    Re: #501
    France uses the front too.
    512AnonymousOct 5, 2026 14:11
    Re: #501
    Both America and Britain just eat it with a spoon, or a Chinese soup spoon.
    529AnonymousOct 5, 2026 14:13
    Re: #501
    And serving rice with chopsticks stuck straight up in it — that's the Chinese style.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    The practice of “piling rice on the back of the fork” is said to have been widely taught in Japanese school education and etiquette books during the Showa era, but actual Western dining customs vary considerably by region. Within the thread, commenters themselves pointed out that “the British style uses the back, the American style uses the front” and “France uses the front too,” showing there’s no single, unified “overseas manner.” The same goes for whether or not to twirl pasta — tourist-facing performances and locals’ everyday eating habits are easily confused on this point. What readers can easily get wrong is assuming “the manners I was taught growing up” equal a universally correct standard, when customs actually vary by country, region, and the formality of the setting. The disagreement in the thread largely stemmed from differing firsthand accounts of “what I personally saw abroad.”

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (News Flash+) thread “Is Putting Rice on the Back of the Fork Proper Manners? A Stranger’s Comment to a Woman at a Restaurant Sparks Mixed Reactions.”

  • The Shinkansen Curry-Smell Debate: 5ch Asks ‘If Ekiben Are Allowed, Why Not Curry?’

    TV personality Hikorohii sparked a reaction on her radio show by commenting on eating strong-smelling food like curry or meat buns on the Shinkansen, saying “as long as the rule is that you’re allowed to eat it, there’s not much you can do about it, to some extent.” The remark was reported and drew a wave of responses on 5ch’s Geinou/Sports Breaking News+ board. It started with a listener’s message describing how they bought an Auberge curry at Tokyo Station, ate it on the train, and got hit with intense stares from people nearby. The thread split between those who argued that if it’s allowed by the rules there’s no problem — pointing to the tradition of ekiben (station bento) — and those who argued that rules and manners are separate things, with consideration for others still mattering. The debate spread into comparisons with smoking rules, and even non-food smells like perfume, fabric softener, and body odor.

    On the 1st, the TOKYO FM program “Shaberuzu ‘Tokyo FM Rohii’” aired, hosted by comedian Hikorohii.

    In the listener-mail segment, they read out a message from a listener: “I bought an Auberge curry at Tokyo Station and was eating it on the Shinkansen when I got some intense stares from people around me — I’d like to hear Hikorohii’s take on eating strong-smelling food on the Shinkansen.”

    Hikorohii said that among the bento boxes prepared for her backstage, the Auberge curry is her particular favorite. She recalled once gushing so much about how much she loved it that she ended up being given Auberge curry for breakfast, lunch, and dinner — and said that eating it on the Shinkansen, “I think there’s not much you can do about it.”

    Source: sirabee.com / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:27
    Whoa, people actually eat curry on there????
    No way.
    9AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:28
    Re: #4
    If ekiben (station bento) are allowed, why not curry too? Is that not okay?
    6AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:28
    Just keep eating without complaining, even if the smell makes you puke.
    12AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:29
    Re: #6
    You're gonna puke right there on the spot?
    29AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:34
    Food smells vs. strong perfume, fabric softener, mothballs, that damp-laundry stink —
    which would you rather deal with?
    I can put up with food smells more.
    Even B.O. is manageable if you just convince yourself it's cumin.
    46AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:38
    Re: #29
    Food smell goes away once you're done eating.
    Though it gets reissued every time you burp.
    36AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:36
    Does other people's food smell really bother you that much?
    By that logic you could never eat out at all.
    58AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:39
    Re: #36
    That's a stretch, honestly — everyone there is eating roughly the same kind of stuff lol
    49AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:38
    What even counts as a smell-free food?
    69AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:42
    Re: #49
    Sandwiches, onigiri, I guess
    maybe something like Calorie Mate (a bland meal-replacement bar)
    though it's pretty flavorless.
    71AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:43
    Re: #49
    Cold food is probably relatively odorless.
    Onigiri, sweet bread, that kind of thing?
    Though chocolate's actually pretty smelly too.
    60AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:40
    62AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:40
    Why does bento smell so bad sometimes?
    At a restaurant the same food smells totally normal — is it because it's gone cold?
    When I'm the one eating it I don't notice at all,
    but someone else's bento has this weird raw-garbage vibe to it.
    74AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:43
    Re: #62
    I can't really relate to being that bothered by it.
    63AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:40
    Some people complain even about the smell of medicated patches — I've actually had it happen to me.
    81AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Re: #63
    Wait, patches I will complain about, that's no joke.
    They smell way worse than food, by a long shot.
    Sitting next to someone reeking of menthol patches for hours is torture.
    79AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Ekiben are products the railway company officially approves for sale at the station.
    There's nothing wrong with eating them on board.
    82AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Re: #79
    If it were something stolen from someone else, that'd be a huge problem.
    83AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:46
    Exactly.
    It's the same as a smoking-permitted area.
    You can smoke, or you can not smoke.
    But there are idiots out there yelling 'don't smoke!' regardless.
    95AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:50
    People who complain about this are just so unfulfilled from failing at life that they blow up over something this tiny, right?
    It's not really about the smell of meat buns or curry.
    I mean, that's supposed to be a smell that makes you hungry.
    The real problem is the bitterness in the hearts of the people complaining — and that can't be fixed. There's no way to save an unhappy person; they have to pull themselves up on their own.
    They'll stay miserable their whole life. It's those pitiful people who are doing the complaining.
    116AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:54
    Re: #95
    So true.
    It's just displaced stress relief instead of facing their real problems.
    Like picking a fight because you got dumped, or being irritable because you're broke — that level of thing.
    103AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:52
    So because talking is allowed, that means blasting at the top of your lungs is fine too?
    108AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:53
    This isn't just about the Shinkansen,
    but there are idiots out there who somehow think their own 'manners' (really just personal rules in disguise) should automatically take priority over the operator's official rules.
    Makes you wonder what their life at work or school even looks like.
    118AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:54
    Re: #108
    Some weekly magazine's made-up 'train rules'
    have nothing to do with anyone else.

    That's exactly what a personal rule is.
    111AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:53
    There was apparently someone on the Shinkansen trying to eat a shumai bento, and the moment that shumai smell started drifting through the car,
    some perfectly average-looking salaryman shouted 'Ugh, that reeks!' at the top of his voice — honestly scarier than the smell itself.
    123AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:55
    Re: #111
    Someone needs to tell that shouting salaryman, 'Dude, it's probably your own feet that stink.'
    131AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:57
    If you're going to eat on the Shinkansen,
    manners dictate finishing within 10 minutes of sitting down and sealing up the trash completely so no smell escapes.
    135AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:58
    Re: #131
    Before that, old man —
    do something about your body odor…
    138AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:59
    Re: #135
    Who even are you?
    You're probably the one people call gross all the time.
    141AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:01
    Re: #138
    No, seriously, you stink, so do something about it.
    You're the gross one here — at least take a shower and brush your teeth in the morning.
    Once you're on the Shinkansen, sanitize that filthy body and brush your teeth every 30 minutes.
    Old man, seriously, do at least that much. It's basic manners — be aware that you stink.
    153AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:04
    Re: #138
    If we're going there, a bald head spilling out over the seat isn't exactly pleasant to look at either.
    Everyone's putting up with something.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    Eating and drinking isn’t restricted on the Shinkansen, and JR officially permits the sale of ekiben (station bento) — meaning that eating curry or meat buns is, by the rules, not a problem at all, and Hikorohii’s “there’s not much you can do about it” answer is premised on exactly that. Where the thread split was over where to draw the line between rules and manners: one camp held that “if it’s allowed, the people complaining are the ones in the wrong,” while the other held that “even within the rules, consideration for the people around you is a separate issue” — the two sides clashed throughout, even bringing up comparisons to smoking rules. Another axis was how much sensitivity to smell varies from person to person, with plenty of comparisons made to non-food smells like perfume, fabric softener, body odor, and medicated patches. Since there’s no objective standard for “where complaining becomes justified,” this is the kind of topic where the same argument is likely to keep repeating.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports Breaking News+) thread “Hikorohii on the issue of eating strong-smelling food like curry or meat buns on the Shinkansen: “As long as the rule says you’re allowed to eat it, there’s not much you can do about it, right?”“

  • Foreign Convenience Store Staff Top 80,000 at Japan’s Big Three Chains — Ex-7-Eleven Employee Reveals What’s Really Happening

    Foreign staff working the registers at convenience stores are no longer an unusual sight. Reports say that in 2024, foreign part-time workers topped 80,000 at Japan’s three major chains alone, and a former employee who spent 30 years at 7-Eleven explains the background in a new book. On 5ch, a thread debating why fewer Japanese people are applying split into two camps: some pointed to low hourly wages and the sheer amount of chores like utility bill payments, while others blamed applicants themselves for being inflexible about shifts. The discussion got even more tangled as opinions praising foreign staff for working across the language barrier collided with complaints about poor Japanese and a refusal to apologize — turning into a debate too complicated for simple good-guy/bad-guy framing.

    Foreign staff behind convenience store registers are now an everyday sight. Reports say that in 2024, foreign part-timers topped 80,000 at the three major chains alone.

    But this shift can’t be explained simply by saying “there are more foreigners in Japan now.” Fewer Japanese people are applying to work at these stores, while international students have their own motivation to learn Japanese and Japanese-style work culture.

    Shinichi Murao, who spent 30 years at 7-Eleven Japan and recently published the book “Manager, a Customer Got Furious When I Picked Up Pasta With Chopsticks: 23 Years of Foreign Workers and a Convenience Store Owner’s Family,” explains what’s happening on the ground from both the hiring side and the working side.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 4, 2026 17:58
    Honestly I want more convenience stores to go under.
    Wouldn't bother me if there were fewer — I only use them a few times a year anyway.
    18AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:02
    Re: #4
    What are you gonna do for a bathroom then?
    123AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:13
    Re: #4
    That's no different from someone who doesn't care about pro baseball screaming that domed stadiums are unnecessary.
    290AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:28
    Re: #4
    Just because a total homebody like you doesn't use them doesn't mean they'll disappear — there's real demand, and they support students and workers on the ground.
    16AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:02
    – Low hourly wage
    – On top of that, there's all this extra busywork

    They should just stop handling utility bill payments or something.
    221AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:22
    Re: #16
    You can just scan the barcode at an ATM to pay, you know.
    420AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:38
    Re: #16
    Utility bill payments are just scanning a barcode and stamping it — it's no burden on part-timers at all
    Headquarters only complains because there's no profit in it for them

    Package pickup and in-store delivery handling are way more of a hassle

    But whenever you interview someone from headquarters, utility bills are always the first thing they bring up
    22AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:02
    They should just end 24-hour operations already
    Or carve up the area and have just one store per zone — regardless of chain — rotate through staying open 24 hours
    40AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:05
    Re: #22
    Convenience stores also function as infrastructure and help with public safety
    25AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:03
    I could never work in a service job — too scared of someone shoving a camera in my face and posting it online
    44AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:05
    Re: #25
    The truly scary camera is the one hidden in the back room that only the owner can view
    50AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:06
    Re: #25
    The truly scary camera is the one hidden in the back room that only the owner can view
    29AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:03
    In really rural areas with no foreigners at all, both the staff and the customers are just old folks
    240AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:24
    Re: #29
    Convenience stores out in the countryside have a low percentage of foreign staff, but I think their attitude is terrible
    Foreign staff in Tokyo are way better
    250AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:25
    Re: #240
    At rural convenience stores, the Japanese staff have bad attitudes too
    You'll get rung up while they're chatting with each other
    288AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:28
    Re: #240
    It's also pretty noticeable that Japanese doesn't always get through to them
    34AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:04
    Come on, don't hire people who can't even properly understand Japanese…

    Like, why do I have to order by pointing and gesturing when I'm in Japan?
    179AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:18
    Re: #34
    Pointing — is this about cigarettes (ID-checked tobacco sales)?
    They should just get rid of cigarette sales already
    82AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:09
    Foreign staff working at convenience stores are honestly more capable than a lot of mediocre Japanese part-timers
    101AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:11
    Re: #82
    That used to be true
    These days there are tons of them who can't understand Japanese
    And even when they mess up, they never apologize
    154AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:15
    Re: #82
    The fact that they're doing customer service in Japanese — a language that isn't their native tongue — already puts them ahead of most Japanese people.
    Could a Japanese person even work a customer-facing part-time job abroad (in a non-English-speaking country)?
    97AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:10
    There's a 7-Eleven near me run solely by foreign staff overnight, and they "occasionally" just slap up a sign and close the entrance on their own

    Is that even allowed?
    Wouldn't that cause a problem if someone reported it to headquarters?
    104AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:12
    Re: #97
    What does the sign say? "On break" or something?
    138AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:14
    Re: #104
    I once saw a FamilyMart with a sign in broken Japanese that said,

    "Is not enough people. Today is closed finished." lol
    150AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:15
    Re: #138
    Feel bad for the owner. Being a convenience store owner really isn't a job you should take on.
    153AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:15
    The quality of Japanese staff is so bad that the foreign ones are actually better
    171AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:17
    Re: #153
    I know someone who got into it with a rude part-timer at a convenience store and
    ended up banned from the place.
    204AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:20
    Re: #153
    When I imagine myself working at a convenience store in a foreign country,
    it makes me think foreign staff here are actually pretty high-caliber
    224AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:22
    My Japanese friend keeps failing to get hired for convenience store part-time jobs though
    247AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:24
    Re: #224
    "Can't do weekends, can't do mornings,
    I'd only like to work a little on weekday evenings"
    — with that vibe you're gonna get rejected from any part-time job
    269AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:27
    Re: #224
    Probably just a lower caliber than the talent coming from overseas
    Stores have the right to choose too
    282AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:27
    Re: #224
    It's probably just because they're less competent than the foreign workers
    245AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:24
    From a foreigner's perspective, they probably think Japan has a noble class called "NEETs" (Not in Education, Employment, or Training)
    249AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:25
    Re: #245
    Did you know the US and EU actually have more NEETs than Japan?
    256AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:26
    Re: #249
    Didn't know that
    Because there's no basis for it
    You can't back that up either, can you?
    318AnonymousOct 4, 2026 18:30
    Re: #249
    Japan has an incredibly low unemployment rate by global standards
    There are a lot of elderly people, sure, but many of them work part-time jobs too, and roughly 80% of the working-age population is employed — Japan is one of the hardest-working countries in the world

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    The surge in foreign convenience store staff isn’t simply the flip side of a labor shortage. Beyond the sheer scale implied by the 80,000-plus figure at the three major chains alone, many of these workers are international students, who under the Immigration Control Act’s “activities outside the scope of permitted status” provision are limited to working no more than 28 hours a week. This restriction wasn’t mentioned in the original article or the thread, but it’s a structural factor that directly contributes to difficulty filling shifts and thinly spread staffing. The thread split over whether foreign staff are actually capable: some praised them simply for handling customer service across the language barrier, while others pushed back with complaints about poor Japanese and a refusal to apologize. Opinions were likewise divided on why fewer Japanese people are applying — some pointed to low wages and heavy chore loads like utility bill payments, others blamed applicants’ own inflexibility about shifts — with no consensus on which was the bigger factor. Anecdotes about overnight stores closing without authorization and debates over whether 24-hour operation still makes sense also highlighted the operational strain stores are under.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Why Have Convenience Stores Become Full of “Foreign Staff”? Over 80,000 at the Big Three… Ex-7-Eleven Employee Reveals the Reality Behind “Japanese People No Longer Applying”.”

  • Shabu-yo’s “meat theft” problem flares up again — robot waiters to get voice alerts when someone takes another customer’s order

    At the all-you-can-eat shabu-shabu chain “Shabu-yo,” complaints resurfaced in October 2026 that other customers were snatching meat being carried by the restaurant’s serving robots. A similar issue made headlines back in February 2025, and this time operator Skylark Holdings announced it will roll out a voice-alert feature across all stores to flag it when someone tries to take another customer’s order. On 5channel threads, people weighed in from all angles — questioning the whole idea of robots doing rounds to multiple tables at once, worrying the same opening used to steal food could be used to contaminate it, and griping that the quality of all-you-can-eat meat seems to drop with every plate.

    At the all-you-can-eat shabu-shabu chain “Shabu-yo,” posts claiming that meat carried by serving robots was being taken by other customers have once again been piling up on social media. A similar wave of reports drew attention in late February 2025 too, and at the time, the PR office of operator Skylark Holdings (HD) explained the steps it was taking to prevent a recurrence.

    Responding to an inquiry from J-CAST News on October 2, 2026, the PR office apologized, saying, “We sincerely and deeply apologize to the customers we have inconvenienced or made feel uncomfortable.” According to the company, explanations of how the system works hadn’t been fully conveyed despite the introduction of entry-guidance terminals.

    Going forward, the company says it plans to strengthen countermeasures, including adding a feature that gives a voice notification when someone tries to take another customer’s order.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:28
    Guess this is just what you get
    with the Japanese public's level of decency.
    167AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:47
    Re: #2
    Turns out all that "Japanese people are honest and sincere" stuff was a lie.
    Japanese people pull this kind of thing the moment nobody's watching.
    19AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:32
    Ugh, so it only arrives after doing the rounds of other people's tables first?
    That alone is gross.
    47AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:35
    Re: #19
    People probably snatch it while it's passing by.
    55AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:36
    Re: #47
    Some robots even drop off two plates at a stop.
    60AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:36
    Re: #47
    It does multiple tables in a single loop.

    There's supposedly a display somewhere telling you which tier/shelf to take from.
    24AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:33
    If people can snatch food off it, that means they could just as easily dump something nasty on it too.
    62AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:37
    Re: #24
    That's a little scary…
    88AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:39
    Re: #24
    That's the part that gets me.
    It'd literally turn into a "shabu" hot pot in the bad sense (シャブ is slang for meth — a pun on the dish's name).
    43AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:34
    It's basically conveyor-belt sushi at this point, so there's inherent risk either way.
    Wouldn't be shocking if some customers these days are out there licking the food too (a nod to the "sushi terrorism" licking incidents).
    51AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:35
    Re: #43
    Sounds like a lot of places now have a "dedicated lane"?
    54AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:36
    Re: #43
    Then why not just change the plate color?
    You'd be able to tell when the plates get collected.
    94AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:40
    All of Japan's serving robots run on Chinese tech anyway.
    110AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:41
    Re: #94
    They can make them cheap precisely because they skimp on safety mechanisms and security.
    111AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:41
    Re: #94
    The cat robot is made in China, you know.
    The fact that Japan can't even build something at that level anymore is honestly pathetic.
    107AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:41
    If what you ordered gets stolen by someone else,
    does the person who ordered it still have to pay,
    while the one who stole and ate it gets off scot-free?
    128AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:42
    Re: #107
    Most of it's on the all-you-can-eat plan anyway.
    130AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:42
    Re: #107
    Whoever took it, that's theft.
    The person who got robbed can just order again —
    it's all-you-can-eat anyway.
    142AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:43
    Re: #107
    People on the cheapest all-you-can-eat plan stealing meat meant for the premium plan.
    115AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:41
    Open season until they actually fix it.
    Is there really no way to protect yourself?
    125AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:42
    Re: #115
    Just have a human staff member carry it to the table.
    148AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:44
    Re: #115
    Order the cheapest course.
    The cheapest meat is safe because nobody bothers eyeing it.
    131AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:42
    With all-you-can-eat, the meat quality suddenly nosedives from the second plate on — freezer-burned stuff and everything — and eventually they just stop delivering what you ordered at all.
    179AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:49
    Re: #131
    Wait, is THAT what was going on…? If so, I'm never going back.
    203AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:52
    Re: #131
    If the meat keeps getting worse plate after plate, and that first plate actually looked like the pricier cut, you'd probably start thinking "hold on, they gave me the wrong meat earlier!" lol
    224AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:54
    Re: #131
    Or the pattern where it never arrives because the part-timers ate it as their staff meal.
    172AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:47
    With an actual dish you could tell, but with just plain meat, it's hard to recognize at a glance which one is yours.
    190AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:50
    Re: #172
    Honestly, you can't tell lol

    Even back when humans delivered it, the meat quality would sometimes shift partway through lol
    "Whoa, check out this meat!"
    "Looks way better than the last batch!"

    that kind of thing lol
    223AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:54
    Re: #172
    I think the cat robot has a display somewhere showing which shelf to take from.
    178AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:48
    What did we lose in the Lost 30 Years?
    Our pride.
    183AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:49
    Re: #178
    There was no self-respect to begin with.
    That's exactly why we're America's client state.
    226AnonymousOct 3, 2026 10:55
    Re: #178
    I'd say the quality of people started dropping around the Bubble era —
    back when Fuji TV and Tonneruzu were on top, and humanities-major girls had their "Ashi-kun, Meshi-kun, Mitsugu-kun" (bubble-era slang for guys kept around to chauffeur them, treat them to meals, and shower them with gifts).

    Background and talking points on this story

    This problem first made news back in February 2025, and Skylark HD had already explained its preventive measures at that time. Even so, the same kind of trouble kept recurring, so in October 2026 the company acknowledged that its entry-guidance terminals hadn’t adequately explained the system and announced it would add a feature that gives a voice notification when someone tries to take another customer’s order. That feature, however, has not yet been rolled out to all stores, and as of now there’s no mechanical safeguard actually stopping the theft. Opinions on the thread split mainly two ways: those taking issue with the robots’ table-rounds system itself, and those complaining about declining meat quality in all-you-can-eat dining in general — with the latter drifting into topics not directly tied to the serving robots. Some pointed out that many serving robots are Chinese-made, but that’s worth flagging as speculation within the thread, not an officially stated cause of this particular trouble.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5channel (News Express+) thread “[Shabu-yo / All-You-Can-Eat] Serving-robot “premium-course meat theft” problem flares up again — operator to roll out voice alerts for taking another customer’s order chainwide.”

  • Couple Cancels Wedding 344 Days Early—Tokyo Court Tosses Venue’s ¥1.28 Million Fee

    In a lawsuit over a couple who canceled their wedding 344 days before the ceremony date, the venue operator sought a ¥1.28 million cancellation fee as stipulated in the contract — but the Tokyo District Court rejected the claim in a ruling dated September 29. The court held that, with cancellation nearly a year in advance, the venue would normally be able to resell the date to another booking. On 5ch, opinions split over whether any amount written into a contract is automatically valid, or whether excessive penalty fees can be legally voided, alongside complaints about typical wedding costs and the industry’s business practices.

    Published 10/3 (Sat) 10:40

    Bengo4.com News

    In a lawsuit in which a venue operator sought roughly ¥1.28 million in cancellation fees from a couple who canceled their booking about a year before their wedding, the Tokyo District Court rejected the venue’s claim. The ruling is dated September 29.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:24
    Why'd they even cancel?
    5AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:25
    Re: #3
    Take a hint, duh (it's a pun — 'sasshiro' [take a hint] sounds like 'sasshi-ya' [sash shop])
    119AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:05
    Re: #3
    Probably an engagement high.
    Then reality hit once they saw the actual bill.
    246AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:49
    Re: #3
    A year and a half out…
    that's way too far in advance.
    4AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:25
    They signed a contract, though — isn't the fee whatever it says?
    106AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:01
    Re: #4
    What if it said '500 million yen' in print too tiny to read? That'd be a problem 🥺
    183AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:30
    Re: #4
    Even a rip-off bar can't just say 'this is our price, deal with it' and get away with it.
    23AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:33
    Demand's already shrinking in this industry, and now there's more bad press.
    234AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:46
    Re: #23
    Actually it's booming right now because it's Instagrammable.
    Multiple pre-wedding photo shoots, profile books, decorative panels for the big day —
    more vendors have piled in, and more trouble has come with them.
    248AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:50
    Re: #23
    Broke young people are just going to avoid it even more now.
    26AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:33
    Over 4 million yen in the first place? What kind of wedding is that lol
    218AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:39
    Re: #26
    That's pretty normal, actually.
    219AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:39
    Re: #26
    Do it at a Disney-affiliated hotel and bring in Mickey, and you're looking at 8 million yen and up.
    237AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:47
    Re: #26
    4 million is actually on the cheap side.
    29AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:34
    A year out is admittedly too far in advance, but it's still 30%, and they agreed to that when they signed.
    36AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:36
    Re: #29
    True, but if you're not happy with it, you've got the right to sue too.
    45AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:40
    Re: #29
    There's a law that lets you void excessive penalty fees.
    30AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:34
    They probably broke up, but it's kind of sad they had to go through a lawsuit together afterward.
    58AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:46
    Re: #30
    'I never knew you were this dependable when money was on the line!'

    — and boom, there's a chance they get back together.
    230AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:45
    Re: #30
    No telling if they were splitting the cost 50/50.
    76AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:52
    My engagement got called off 2 weeks before the wedding
    and I had to cancel too,
    but they didn't charge me a thing…
    79AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:54
    Re: #76
    So canceling last-minute actually gets you more sympathy?
    90AnonymousOct 3, 2026 17:58
    Re: #76
    Maybe if it's just the ceremony.
    If a reception's booked too, it won't go that smoothly.
    155AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:20
    Do all wedding venues have cancellation fee setups like this?
    159AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:22
    Re: #155
    No way.
    Cancel up to about 6 months out and you'd usually just lose a deposit of a few hundred thousand yen.
    Either this place is crazy popular or they're just shady, who knows.
    160AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:23
    Re: #155
    This is the same greedy industry that took full payment even during COVID, when nobody could hold a wedding at all.
    172AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:27
    Why even have a wedding ceremony these days anyway?
    None of the young people around me do it.
    177AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:28
    Re: #172
    No one's going to admit the real reason to the people they don't want to invite, lol (i.e., some couples skip the ceremony just to dodge inviting people they'd rather not)
    180AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:29
    Re: #172
    Even when the couple says they don't want one, it's pretty common for parents to push back with 'it's once in a lifetime.'
    That's how you end up with a small, family-only ceremony.
    192AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:32
    It's chilling how many people are out there saying 'a contract's a contract, even if it's illegal.'
    194AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:33
    Re: #192
    People like that are exactly why exploitative companies never go away.
    195AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:33
    Such easy marks. Arrange everything yourself and it won't even cost a million yen — same deal as booking an overseas trip without an agency.
    198AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:34
    Re: #195
    That's exactly why the pay-your-own-way party style is trending — just book a venue, order some food, that kind of thing.
    207AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:35
    Re: #195
    Arranging all that is a hassle, so people pay the fee to have someone else handle it for them.
    238AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:47
    Re: #234
    Photo-only weddings are the popular choice now.

    Fewer and fewer people are throwing 4-million-yen ceremonies like this.
    244AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:49
    Re: #238
    That's outdated.
    Wedding fever is back up post-COVID —
    popular hotels in Tokyo are already almost fully booked through 2027.
    253AnonymousOct 3, 2026 18:51
    Re: #244
    'Photo Weddings,' 'No-Ceremony Weddings': Shifting Values Keep Wedding Venues Struggling — Post-COVID Market Recovery Stuck at 80%
    December 15, 2025, 5:00 AM


    Even after the pandemic-era aversion to crowded gatherings faded, wedding venues are still struggling. Compounded by shifting values — including the spread of 'no-ceremony weddings,' where couples skip the ceremony altogether — the market has only recovered to 80% of its former size. With a string of major bankruptcies hitting the industry, operators have begun scrambling to survive.

    Background and Talking Points

    In disputes over cancellation fees, Article 9 of Japan’s Consumer Contract Act voids any portion of a penalty fee that exceeds the ‘average amount of damage’ actually incurred. This ruling appears to have rejected the ¥1.28 million claim on the grounds that, since the cancellation came 344 days before the ceremony, the venue could normally refill the date with another booking. The thread split between those arguing ‘if it’s written in the contract, it’s valid’ and those arguing ‘excessive penalty fees can be legally voided’ — the latter view is actually closer to how this plays out in practice. The article doesn’t specify the couple’s exact reason for canceling or the full details of the venue’s contract terms.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (News Flash+) thread “Wedding Canceled ‘344 Days Before’ → Couple Billed ¥1.28 Million, Tokyo Court Rejects It: ‘Venue Can Normally Resell the Date’.”