Did America Ever Have a World-Class Rock Band? 5ch Debates: ‘It’s Like Comparing Everyone to Shohei Ohtani’

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A provocative thread title — “UK: ‘The Beatles! The Stones! Zeppelin! Zeppelin! Deep Purple!’ America: ‘Uh… um…’” — sparked a US-vs-UK rock debate in 5ch’s Nandemo Jikkyo (Live Commentary) discussion group. Names like Bon Jovi, Metallica, and the Eagles got floated, only to be shot down over their Billboard track records or musical style. The talk expanded to cover the roots of American music — blues, country, and 1950s rock pioneers like Chuck Berry — with the central question becoming “Did America really ever have anyone on the Beatles’ level?” Things eventually veered off course near the end into a tangent about global IP revenue rankings.

What people said

1AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:17
America acts all high and mighty now, but wasn't it basically a musical backwater until Michael Jackson came along? 🤔
12AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:24
For that era, the UK feels like the rock scene while America feels more like the soul and pop scene.
America had rock in the '50s too, but from the '60s on it doesn't really give off a 'rock' vibe.
13AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:25
Re: #12
What's the deal with country and folk, though?
15AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:26
Hold on, the Stones are Japanese, lol
16AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:27
Re: #15
Can Americans and Brits even read that well, though?
17AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:27
Re: #13
Oh right, country and folk were around back then too — I don't really know much about those genres, though.
33AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:39
Re: #17
It always ends up turning into some whole Vietnam War discussion…
18AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:29
The Ramones: "Fair enough."
20AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:30
Re: #18
Punk actually started from the Ramones and Television, you know — two bands with totally different sounds.
22AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:32
So is Bon Jovi the most globally famous American band, huh?
28AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:36
Re: #22
Cheesy pop-ballad rock doesn't count (歌謡ロック, a Japanese term for schmaltzy, hit-single-style arena rock).
23AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:32
Isn't country basically just farmer music?
26AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:34
Re: #23
It's basically Japan's version of enka (traditional Japanese ballads).
31AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:38
The Eagles
The Beach Boys
37AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:41
Re: #31
The Beach Boys never actually hit #1 on Billboard.
48AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:49
Re: #37
What a fake fan, lol
36AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:39
America's #1 rock band is Metallica, no arguments accepted.
91AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:36
Re: #36
Nope, the bullying within the band is too gross to overlook.
39AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:43
Frank Zappa — a genius the times never quite caught up to.
59AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:59
Re: #39
That awful Japanese localized title, "Hae Hae Kakaka Zappappa," lol
40AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:43
Top 15 Global IP Rankings

#1 Pokémon (Japan) — Total revenue: $92.1 billion (approx. ¥13.5 trillion)

#2 Hello Kitty (Japan) — Total revenue: $80 billion (approx. ¥11.8 trillion)

#5 Star Wars (USA) — Total revenue: $65.6 billion (approx. ¥9.7 trillion)

#6 Anpanman (Japan) — Total revenue: $60.3 billion (approx. ¥8.9 trillion)

#8 Super Mario (Japan) — Total revenue: $36.1 billion (approx. ¥5.3 trillion)

#9 Shonen Jump (Japan) — Total revenue: $34.1 billion (approx. ¥5.02 trillion)

#10 Harry Potter (UK) — Total revenue: $30.9 billion (approx. ¥4.6 trillion)

#12 Spider-Man (USA) — Total revenue: $27.1 billion (approx. ¥4.007 trillion)

#13 Gundam (Japan) — Total revenue: $26.5 billion (approx. ¥3.9 trillion)

#14 Batman (USA) — Total revenue: $26.4 billion (approx. ¥3.9 trillion)

#15 Dragon Ball (Japan) — Total revenue: $24 billion (approx. ¥3.5 trillion)
43AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:45
Re: #40
Did 'Gyudon' (lit. 'beef bowl,' apparently a poster's nickname) only know anime theme songs and still want to join the conversation?
49AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:50
I mean, a lot of us 'g-boys' (likely slang for guys of this generation) probably grew up listening to Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Green Day, Linkin Park, The Offspring, Zebrahead, Smashing Pumpkins, Manson, Limp Bizkit, My Chemical Romance, and the like.
If I had to pick one, I'd choose America over the UK.
53AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:55
Re: #49
More like The Carpenters, surely…
55AnonymousOct 4, 2026 08:56
Re: #49
That's kid stuff, lol
81AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:22
Re: #49
Yeah, that's the lineup you don't keep listening to for long.
63AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:03
Come to think of it, nobody's even mentioned the blues yet.
What even is the blues?
66AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:07
Re: #63
Speaking of blues, there's Bruce Springsteen.
68AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:08
Re: #63
It's the guitar music that both jazz and rock grew out of — known for its use of triplets.
69AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:10
Not the guys who popped up in the '80s — before that.
Was there anyone in the '60s or '70s who was on the Beatles' level?
72AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:13
Re: #69
Why's the Beatles the benchmark anyway?

Isn't that like judging every baseball player against MLB's Shohei Ohtani?
75AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:15
Re: #72
It's not just about the Beatles.
The question is whether America had musicians with the kind of worldwide influence the thread title's talking about.
78AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:17
Re: #75
Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly were American musicians, and literally everyone you listed in post 1 was influenced by those two.
80AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:21
Re: #75
'Blues legend B.B. King dies at 89'

Dunno much about him, but I googled it and found this guy.
73AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:15
He didn't live long either — kind of like Ohtani, huh.
84AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:24
Re: #73
Don't go killing off Ohtani on your own, lol
100AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:45
The reality that France, Europe's other powerhouse alongside the UK, hasn't produced a single world-famous band.
101AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:46
Re: #100
Magma, Gong…
102AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:46
Re: #100
The French are so attached to singing in French that I doubt they could ever sell worldwide.
110AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:57
First of all, it's crazy that David Bowie isn't even mentioned in the thread title 😡
112AnonymousOct 4, 2026 09:59
Re: #110
Bowie came along later chronologically, and his era overlaps with when American music started getting more aggressive/dominant, so he just doesn't leave as strong an impression.

Background and Key Points of This Topic

In response to the provocative thread title “The UK churned out world-famous rock bands, but what about America?”, replies pointed out that this isn’t a simple comparison — it’s more a mismatch of eras and genres. The gist: in the ’60s and ’70s, the UK led the rock scene with the Beatles and the Stones, while America at the same time leaned more toward soul, country, and folk, giving it a less distinctly “rock” face. It was also noted that 1950s American rock pioneers like Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly directly influenced the later British bands, so the story isn’t simply “America had nobody.” The late tangent into global IP revenue rankings is a side conversation that drifts from the main topic — the figures are claims made within the 5ch thread and haven’t been independently verified. A point readers might easily misread: the thread isn’t concluding that “America lacks talent,” but rather discussing a mismatch in genre timing.

*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “UK: ‘The Beatles! The Stones! Zeppelin! Deep Purple!’ America: ‘Uh…’ ← this one.”

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