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The story
A locked gun locker and safe were taken in their entirety from a home in Hanyu City, Saitama Prefecture, along with the 3 shotguns and 125 rounds of ammunition stored inside, as well as cash and jewelry. Police are investigating on suspicion of theft. On 5ch, the discussion ranged from basic questions about how an ordinary person can legally own a shotgun, to suspicions of an inside job given that only the locker and safe were targeted, to technical debates over whether the stolen guns could actually be fired.
3 shotguns, 125 rounds of ammunition and more stolen — Saitama’s Hanyu City home — still inside locked locker and safe — cash and jewelry also taken — Saitama Prefectural Police investigating theft case
Sat, Sep 19, 9:32 AM JST
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Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here
What people said
A yakuza house?
Probably a hunter — for bear culling.
Yakuza guys ('893,' slang for yakuza — read as 'ya-ku-za') don't get hunting rifle licenses approved…
What do you mean by that?
Some vested-interest, half-hobbyist hunter?
If anyone gets hurt because of this, the owner should be held jointly liable.
If they've got a hunting license, isn't that pretty normal?
Maybe they got their hands on a hunting club membership roster from somewhere and picked a target that way.
Even if it can't actually fire, it's plenty scary as a threat.
Fiberglass-reinforced duct tape is pretty tough too.
That politician meal-voucher scandal was a tough one to wrap your head around.
Without rounds, the gun itself is just scrap metal.
But flip it around — if you've got the rounds,
you can rig up a firing device out of almost anything.
Especially with shotgun shells, since you don't even need rifling.
But in this case they stored it properly by the book, even keeping the parts disassembled separately —
that's exactly why those parts weren't stolen. There's not much more they could've done…
Guess there's no follow-up coming?
There's also clay/skeet shooting.
Seems like every member of The Drifters (the veteran Japanese comedy troupe) used to own one.
A 'locked locker' (except the key was left sitting in it).
Tell me that's not the punchline here.
>>According to police, when the woman returned home from being out, the locker and safe she kept at home were gone entirely.
However you slice it, this was clearly locked properly…
This owner probably figured it'd never actually get stolen, and that's exactly why it did.
>>What are the installation standards for gun lockers? A gun shop clearly explains the points needed to pass inspection!
All steel panels (door, side panels, top panel, etc.) must be at least 1.0mm thick
The structure must prevent the door from being removed while locked (fixed via a bolt-type mechanism, etc.)
The locker must have an internal chain or similar device to secure the gun, with the chain lock available in 120+ key variations
The structure must prevent the door from coming off even if the hinges are broken
The door lock must not be easily opened by outside force (a hook-bolt lock)
The door lock must have an anti-forgetting feature (e.g., the key can't be removed unless it's locked)
The door lock must come in 120+ key variations
Basically it's a physical key, but electronic lock versions are also sold these days.
This is no ordinary locker…?
Could an amateur make one by building a mold and pouring in melted rebar to cool?
You could make one out of wood.
Like touring the country culling bears? lol
Re: #121
lol ("grass" — Japanese net slang for LOL)
They saw a big safe, grabbed it, and are probably sitting there right now going 'what the hell is this' after finding guns inside.
If they get caught, would this carry a heavier sentence than if the safe had just held cash and jewelry?
Well, you do go through rounds practicing and all.
They probably buy them in bulk boxes, so
isn't that about right?
It's Neo-Saitama now (a riff on 'Neo-Tokyo' from the anime Akira).
Background and Key Points of Debate
Under Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Law, owning a shotgun requires a hunting license and permission from the Public Safety Commission, and the law mandates that owners store the weapon at home in a lockable gun locker, with ammunition kept separately in a safe. The storage standards mentioned in the thread (steel panels at least 1mm thick, anti-forgetting lock mechanisms, etc.) are based on this law. In this case, the locker and safe were taken away whole, contents and all, splitting commenters between two theories: a random burglary, or a targeted job by a family member or associate who knew where they were kept. Reports say the part that locks the barrel in place was not stolen, but whether the guns could actually be fired without it can’t be determined from the original article alone — readers should note that the thread’s discussion on this point remains speculation.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News Plus) thread: “[Saitama] 3 shotguns, 125 rounds of ammunition and more stolen — Hanyu City home — still inside locked locker and safe — cash and jewelry also taken — investigating on suspicion of theft“
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