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A thread titled “The Pachinko Industry Is Facing Its Real, No-Joke End…” went up on 5ch’s “Anything Goes Live” (なんでも実況G) board, sparking a wide-ranging debate about the industry’s future. Some posters explained that the prize-exchange system (the so-called “three-shop method”) is perfectly legal, while others reported that half the parlors in their neighborhood have shut down — and still others said none near them have closed at all, revealing a huge gap in people’s day-to-day experience. There were also comments pointing out that shrinking player numbers mean less tax revenue from the industry, plus plenty of grumbling that the increasingly complicated effects after a “right-strike” bonus have made it impossible to just zone out and play.
What people said
The government should be the one providing public restrooms and trash cans around town in the first place
It's completely legal.
Some people get this wrong, but the 'three-shop method' (the separate-company scheme used to cash out prizes) isn't even the crucial part.
The real special treatment is that they're allowed to hand out prizes at all.
Current machines are above 50%, so it's not even that thin
The shops near me are down by half
That's just about getting into ST (Stock Time, a bonus continuation mode)
the hard part is what comes after that
Is it really that bad?
Not much different from the old days.
The 'border' (the break-even payout line) is still mostly around 16, so it's not like things have gotten harsher.
Does it actually pay out well?
Even at random shops, the original Hana no Keiji (a classic pachinko title) would easily get you 20-plus spins per 1,000 yen — you could just relax and play.
Back then most shops still had a gap in their cash-exchange rates, so it was an era where you could grind it out and win.
Plenty of Keiji machines ran hot too.
Once you've tasted the good stuff, you really can't go back down a level.
Manufacturers competing over how extreme they can make the right-side payout split is, to put it mildly, a dead end.
No wonder it's dying.
The mode systems really have gone overboard
Different degree, but it's the same story as the 'evolution' series machines back in the day
repeating the same mistake of assuming players will chase small wins and read lamp indicators.
But it sounds less like people are turning away from pachinko and more like they simply don't have the money to go anymore.
Well, money flowing into the amusement industry is still money moving through the economy.
There's the factories that make machine parts, the distribution networks for regular prizes, the cleaning subcontractors for the shops
a lot of related industries depend on it.
The drop in players also means less consumption tax coming out of the pachinko industry, and that's quietly a big deal too
Probably died because the parlors hated it.
The 'fixed-start' rule (kote-suta, short for fixed start) is the replacement for it.
Is it any good?
Was it fun?
That's your answer right there.
Honestly, does it even matter if the 'return' setting is 1 or 3?
At the end of the day you only get however many spins the shop wants you to get.
The ball-intake speed is completely different
If you launch 100 balls and get back 100 versus 300, that's a huge difference, obviously
None near me have closed. There are still a ton of them.
the shops that used to gouge players with absurdly stingy nail settings below that won't be able to squeeze people anymore
Won't we just see a comeback of 3-yen or 2.5-yen pricing instead of equal-rate exchange? (the 'equal rate' means 1 ball = 1 yen; a lower yen-per-ball rate favors the house)
I had a bunch of leftover tokens and they handed me a can of potato chips, lol
My local place gives me 490 yen.
First time I've ever gotten a 10-yen coin at a pachinko parlor.
I want to see the bonus hit, but staring at the reels the whole time is boring
They're just impatient brats (lit. 'total pachinko kids')
they can't stand any downtime
Background and Key Points of This Discussion
Cashing out prizes at pachinko parlors relies on a long-standing business custom called the “three-shop method,” which splits the parlor, the prize-exchange counter, and the wholesale buyer into separate companies so the whole setup doesn’t count as gambling. That’s the system posters in the thread are referring to when they say “the three-point method is legal.” The industry is widely described as facing an ongoing decline in the number of players, and some posts pointed to the resulting drop in tax revenue the industry generates. Meanwhile, opinions on how many local shops have closed were split — some said “half of them are gone,” others said “not a single one near me has closed” — showing just how much the experience varies by area. That’s likely because how quickly parlors get weeded out differs a lot depending on location. Complaints like “it’s become too complicated with the focus on right-strike play” and “you can’t just zone out and play anymore” also seem to trace back to spec changes driven by regulatory revisions to the machines, though the thread doesn’t get into the details of those regulations. Readers unfamiliar with how the prize-exchange system actually works, or with the history of these rule changes, may come away thinking the industry’s outlook is uniformly bleak — but in reality, the picture varies sharply from shop to shop.
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Anything Goes Live board) thread “[Sad News] The Pachinko Industry Is Facing Its Real, No-Joke End….”
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