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In a thread posted to 5ch’s “Nanndemo Jikkyo” (anything-goes live-commentary) board, a poster shared a story about getting into an argument after a friend announced he’d “bought a sports car” — a brand-new Toyota GR86 — and the poster shot back that “the 86 isn’t a sports car.” The poster offered his own definition: a sports car is one that lets you push a vehicle’s performance to its limits through spirited driving. But other users pointed out that, by that definition, the track-capable GR86 would qualify as a sports car after all, and the exchange devolved into a circular argument that never quite connected. Things escalated further when posters noted that Toyota itself markets the GR86 as a sports car, and someone threw out the extreme counterexample that even a kei truck (Japan’s tiny mini pickup) can be driven on a circuit. The thread spiraled into a broader debate over just what actually defines a “sports car.”
What people said
A sports car is a car built for sport driving, right?
And sport driving basically means driving in a way that pushes the car to the limits of its performance, chasing lap times and driving pleasure, right?
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
Also, by your own definition — whether you can chase lap times — the 86 can run a circuit, so it's a sports car.
I mean, even a kei truck can run a circuit, lol
It's literally a sports car.
You lost, lmao
No, I wouldn't.
Right?
So Toyota calling it a sports car just gets laughed off too.
But by your own definition of "sports car," the 86 ends up qualifying as one.
So what about that?
Are you gonna admit defeat?
My definition:
Sport driving basically means driving in a way that pushes a car's performance to its limit, chasing lap times and driving pleasure.
So by that, the 86 isn't a sports car.
Plenty of people do time attacks on the 86 at circuits though — what about that?
Then by that logic, any car that can run a circuit is a sports car, right?
That's the sport trim.
That's just people enjoying the 86 — it doesn't make the 86 itself a sports car.
Plenty of people race Mini Coopers too, you know.
What happened to this whole "driving pleasure" thing you were going on about, lol
Even with the Mini Cooper, the JCW trim should count as a sports car, no?
Saying that is just straight-up dumb, come on.
But that's exactly what YOU'RE saying.
Because that's literally your own definition of "sports car."
Sorry, I'm still laughing my stomach off at this part:
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"Oh? It can run a circuit, so this car's a sports car too!"
You're the one embarrassing yourself by contradicting your own argument.
Not a single thing I said is contradictory.
So what do you drive, anyway?
Go ahead and explain exactly how it's not contradictory.
You yourself said the 86 can run a circuit, do time attacks, and be enjoyed.
That means it fits your own definition.
What about the GR Yaris?
The GR Yaris is a rally-bred car to begin with — though apparently it can't actually go off-road.
Anyway, in the end it just comes down to needing tuning.
Same as how there are tons of people doing race driving in the 86.
Nice job misreading my Japanese and self-destructing on your own, lol
You're the one who self-destructed right out of the gate in Re: #1.
I honestly have no idea what you're even saying anymore.
You're the one who doesn't know what he's saying.
If this is an act, it's a damn good one.
Try googling the thread title, why don't you.
Alright, let me ask you again — what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
Do you want me to admit the 86 is a sports car?
Then go ahead and actually convince me.
I don't care whether you admit it or not — I'm just saying that by YOUR definition, it becomes a sports car.
And yet you keep insisting the 86 isn't one, so your definition is flawed.
If you want to keep saying the 86 isn't a sports car, go fix your definition.
Oh, so "Hachi-Roku" is better than writing "86"?
Noted.
Background and Key Points of This Debate
The GR86 is a rear-wheel-drive coupe that Toyota co-developed with Subaru and released in 2021, and Toyota officially markets it as a “sports car” under its GR performance sub-brand. At the same time, there’s no single, unified definition of “sports car” in automotive classification — where you draw the line depends on what criteria you use: body shape, drivetrain, driving performance, or simply how the manufacturer brands it. What split the thread was the poster’s own definition — a car that lets you push its performance limits in pursuit of lap times and driving pleasure — which backfired when other users pointed out that, by that standard, any car capable of running a circuit would count as a sports car, leaving the argument talking past itself. The real interest here isn’t a judgment on the car itself but the circular argument over how to define the term, which also touches on a common misconception: that a manufacturer’s official branding doesn’t necessarily line up with real-world driving performance.
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (“Nanndemo Jikkyo” board) thread “My friend: ‘I bought a sports car — a brand-new GR86!’ Me: ‘Huh? The 86 isn’t a sports car.’ — Am I wrong here?“.
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