Why Buy on Debt? Savers Get Swarmed With Rebuttals on 5ch’s VIP Board

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A post arguing that “you should just work and save up before taking out a student loan or a mortgage” set off a wave of pushback on 5ch’s News VIP board. Some argued it’s “inefficient,” pointing to the hidden cost of delaying school or a home purchase and to the logic of inflation and leverage, while others countered that “taking on debt is a personal choice” or that “borrowing for something you don’t need is just dumb.” The thread eventually spiraled into a fight over what “cost-performance” even means when it comes to buying a car.

What people said

1AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:55
Why take out a loan when you don't have the money in the first place?
2AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:56
Same goes for student loans, right?
Just graduate high school, work, save up 5 million yen, then go to college.
Same with a mortgage.
Save up 20 million yen and buy a used place instead.
7AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:03
Re: #2
Burning your precious years from 18 to 22 working a low-wage high-school-grad job instead of going the new-grad route is clearly not worth it.
And if you don't have the money, just get into a public university or take out a low-income grant-type scholarship.
Though sure, there's no upside to using a life-wrecking, exploitative loan just to attend a private school.
6AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:00
Though once inflation really takes off, people just end up leasing or renting instead.
131AnonymousSep 21, 2026 09:46
Re: #6
In that case interest gets added to your savings too, so it piles up faster.
22AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:18
Normally you save up money and then buy things or services, right?
I genuinely don't get why you'd go into debt to buy something now.
23AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:19
Re: #22
Why are you trying to force your idea of "normal" onto everyone else?
Nobody asked for your personal standard of normal.
24AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:21
Re: #23
So why go into debt instead of saving up first?
Can't you just be patient?
25AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:24
Re: #24
Why would I owe you an explanation for that?
Ever heard the phrase "mind your own business"?
26AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:25
Some people literally can't graduate college without a student loan.
Being able to save up in the first place is partly just having rich parents.
28AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:26
Re: #26
Then just save up the money first and go to college after.
27AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:26
Re: #25
Sounds like you just can't justify your own debt.
29AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:27
Re: #27
There's nothing to "justify" — it's already legitimate as is.
Taking out a loan is a personal choice, isn't it?
31AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:28
Re: #28
I agree going into debt is dumb in general,
but I can't agree with that take.
Going to college is exactly the kind of thing you should borrow to do sooner rather than later.
37AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:31
Re: #31
Is there really any point taking out a student loan to go to a voice-actor trade school?
35AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:30
It's people (and companies) like that who keep the economy running, y'know.
42AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:32
Re: #35
Even if you borrow, you still have to pay it back, so it's the same thing in the end.
36AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:30
Re: #30
If we're talking about going to med school or a national university,
sure, I think it's fine to take out a loan because your family's broke.
But borrowing money just to get into a trade school or some run-of-the-mill private university? That's just dumb.
40AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:32
Re: #36
> "sure, I think it's fine to take out a loan"
Nobody needs your permission to take out a student loan.
Who do you think you are?

> "borrowing money to get into a trade school or private university is just dumb"
Do you have some kind of disease where you die if you don't get people to nod along and agree with your "right?" at the end of every opinion?
41AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:32
Re: #36
I'd say it's exactly people going to private universities or trade schools who should borrow.
Ending up there after repeating a year of exam prep (a "ronin") is no laughing matter.
"I was working instead" doesn't fly in the real world.
62AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:43
"Cospa" (cost-performance) means cost-effectiveness.
"As long as it drives" isn't cost-effectiveness, that's just low cost, plain and simple!
More and more idiots calling cheap junk "cospa" without even understanding what the word means.
66AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:45
Re: #62
Does a 5-million-yen car have 5 times or more the performance of a 1-million-yen car?
That's what cost-performance actually means.
71AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:48
Re: #66
Why does "performance" have to be the only thing that counts as the "pa" in cospa?
There are plenty of other kinds of value in a car besides raw performance — equipment, features, convenience, quietness, and so on.
74AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:49
Re: #66
As someone who's all for small government, that's how I see it too.
98AnonymousSep 21, 2026 09:02
There are plenty of people out there who want to gamble for more than what their savings allow.
Business works the same way.
Well, I think what Re: #1 is really getting at is that borrowing to buy something you don't need is just dumb — and I agree with that much.
99AnonymousSep 21, 2026 09:03
Re: #98
Whether you need it or not has nothing to do with it.
103AnonymousSep 21, 2026 09:05
Re: #98
Whether it's business or government,
I think you should save up money and keep things small.
100AnonymousSep 21, 2026 09:03
I feel like there are plenty of people out there who flex with their cars,
but it'd be hilarious if you had the power to see how much debt they're carrying lol.
Then you'd know who can actually flex and who can't.
101AnonymousSep 21, 2026 09:04
Re: #100
What's so fun about that?
That's information that's completely useless to your own life.
106AnonymousSep 21, 2026 09:06
Re: #100
Porsche, Benz, Lexus —
I bet they're all financed idiots up to their necks in debt.
135AnonymousSep 21, 2026 09:59
So what, are you supposed to sleep on the street until you've saved enough to build a house?
138AnonymousSep 21, 2026 10:01
Re: #135
Rent an apartment and save up your money.
145AnonymousSep 21, 2026 10:11
Re: #138
Rent isn't free though.
141AnonymousSep 21, 2026 10:02
Re: #138
If you're just going to waste money on rent, wouldn't it be better to save up and build the house from the start?
142AnonymousSep 21, 2026 10:07
Re: #141
Why take on debt at all?
Why not just save up, buy a used house in your old age, renovate it, and live there?
144AnonymousSep 21, 2026 10:10
Re: #142
This person clearly doesn't understand inflation or leverage at all.
146AnonymousSep 21, 2026 10:11
Re: #142
And conversely, why would you have to buy a used house and renovate it in the first place?

Background and Key Points of the Debate

Mortgages and student loans work by borrowing a lump sum upfront and paying it back out of future income — a fundamentally different premise from saving up the full amount before spending. The “inflation” argument raised in the thread points to the idea that inflation erodes the real value of savings while the amount you borrow stays fixed in nominal terms, meaning that when asset prices and wages are rising, borrowing and acting early tends to work in your favor. “Leverage” is an extension of this same logic — moving more money than you actually have on hand in order to avoid missing out on opportunities. At the same time, given how loan defaults on student debt and mortgage foreclosures have become recognized social problems, there’s also a strongly held view that the risk of borrowing simply “because you can” shouldn’t be brushed aside. Throughout the thread, posters never quite agreed on where to draw the line around necessity or the prestige of one’s school, and the argument ultimately morphed into a fight over the very definition of “cost-performance” — laying bare just how differently people’s baseline assumptions about money can be.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News VIP) thread “People who go into debt don’t make sense to me — just save up money first and then buy it, right?

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