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On December 17, Sun Denshi announced “SUNSOFT is Back! Retro Game Selection 2,” a compilation of four early Sunsoft titles including *Ikki* and *The Mystery of Atlantis*, launching for PS5, Switch, and Steam. Pricing is set at 5,478 yen for the physical package, 4,378 yen for the digital download, and 2,970 yen for the Steam-only version. The announcement sparked a debate on 5ch over the very definition of a “kusoge” (crap game). Opinions on *Ikki* split right down the middle between its arcade original and its Famicom port, while many defended *The Mystery of Atlantis* and *Star Luster* as merely difficult, not broken.
The original “crap game” rises again! Sunsoft’s “Retro Game Selection 2,” featuring *Ikki* and three other titles, announced for release
Sun Denshi will release “SUNSOFT is Back! Retro Game Selection 2” for PlayStation 5/Nintendo Switch/Steam on December 17, under the company’s “SUNSOFT” game brand.
The standard physical edition is priced at 5,478 yen, and the standard digital edition at 4,378 yen. The Steam version alone runs 2,970 yen.
Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here
What people said
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The arcade version, sure
The Famicom version's a crap game
Ikki
Kiki Kaikai
Sensou no Ookami (Commando)
Stuff like that was fun
the Famicom's pretty much all crap games, right?
Compared to modern games, none of them are remotely fun
Are there even any real classics on the Famicom?
Tons, like Akumajou Densetsu (Castlevania III) (´・ω・｀) Sounds like you've hit the age where you just don't care about games anymore
What copypasta is that from?
The Famicom's graphics may be rough, but it runs at 60fps, so it's plenty playable
Even when it chugs it just slows down — it doesn't turn choppy
the actual system underneath is a full RPG,
so it ends up as this bizarre "adventure RPG" genre lol
"Convoy no Nazo" (The Mystery of the Convoy, aka MUSHA)
Real crap games are things like
– Karateka
– Star Luster
– Drakkhen
Games like that
Star Luster is so hard it's fundamentally unfriendly, but…
it's not a crap game
Yeah, Karateka.
Never really got Star Luster.
Don't know Drakkhen.
I don't think Karateka's a crap game either, honestly
Like, the Famicom version of Ghosts 'n Goblins is a completely botched port, but nobody calls that a crap game
Man, I played the hell out of Kiki Kaikai at the arcade
nowadays "crap game" is what someone says when they're genuinely pissed off
Ikki, though, with how enemies suddenly ambush you right at the edge just before the screen transitions — that part's a legit crap game
People who just can't clear it call it a crap game — they don't understand what an actual crap game is
Takeshi's Challenge
Bungeling Bay
The Mystery of Atlantis
Spelunker
Atlantis is a genuinely good game though
Gundam is fun though!
Drakkhen was on the Super Famicom, not the Famicom
The field music's great, at least…
I actually like it a fair bit, but the first time you play it you're just like "wait, seriously?" lol
That's Jaleco, right (likely means "ジャレコ," the game company behind those titles)
It used to be: play it a bit, go "what IS this, crap game lolol" — that was a crap game
Now "not fun" = "crap game," full stop
I think even with today's online options and virtual console releases, playing together with friends at home back then made it feel different, so that's probably part of it lol
Background and Talking Points
The term “kusoge” (crap game) took hold in the late Famicom era, originally describing titles that were clearly broken — games that glitched out or were unreasonably unfair. But in this thread, that very definition is what’s up for debate. Opinions on *Ikki* split between its arcade version and its Famicom port, while *The Mystery of Atlantis* and *Star Luster* drew a wave of pushback along the lines of “just difficult, not broken.” This reflects how, over the years, the label “crap game” broadened to lump together genuinely high-difficulty or unfair design with actual technical flaws like bugs and slowdown — and the thread’s arguments read as pushback against that conflation. There’s also a recurring point that “people who can’t clear a game just brand it a bad game,” highlighting how a player’s own lack of skill sometimes gets reframed as the game’s fault. One thing readers might miss: this release is a promotional product where Sunsoft itself is leaning into the “crap game” label for its own titles — the opinions on each game’s quality in this piece are strictly 5ch users’ personal takes, not an official admission that these are “crap games.”
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Games] The original “crap game” returns! “Retro Game Selection 2,” featuring 4 titles including *Ikki* and *The Mystery of Atlantis*, announced for release.”
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