Hello! Project composer Shō Hoshibe splits fans — 5ch: ‘He’s got no talent for lyrics’

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A thread has popped up on 5ch’s “Hello! Project” board about songwriter-composer Shō Hoshibe, who has written numerous Hello! Project songs for groups like Morning Musume。’23 and Angerme.

Harsh takes like “he always hits a passing grade but has no signature hit” and “he has no talent for lyrics” clashed with defenders saying “he’s genuinely talented” and “‘Taikibansei’ was a crucial song that opened the post-Tsunku era” — the debate even spiraled into comparing view counts between songs.

What people said

1AnonymousAug 22, 2026 12:49
Hello! Project songs Shō Hoshibe has written lyrics for since 2022
Wake-up Call ~Mezameru Toki~ (Morning Musume。'23)
Piece of Peace ~Shiawase no Puzzle~ (Angerme)
3AnonymousAug 22, 2026 12:53
Love Misery and Positive Program (suko = net slang for 'I love this')
5AnonymousAug 22, 2026 12:56
Re: #2
HANAKIN isn't on there!
6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 12:56
He always delivers a passing grade, but he's got no signature hit.
7AnonymousAug 22, 2026 12:57
Re: #6
The girl with glasses
15AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:08
Re: #6
That "passing grade" rating is way too generous. I'm not saying everything he's made is trash, but because of this guy, Hello! Project was in serious decline before 'Misery.'
9AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:00
I loved it when he used to do music theory videos on YouTube, but he stopped.
10AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:01
If anything, most of his best-known work is from before 2022.
11AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:02
I wish they'd make him exclusive to BEYOOOOONDS.
An earnest wish from Hello! Project fans.
12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:05
It's from 2018, but 'Do Dance' really stands out.
Glad Hikaruu performed it at Maa's live show.
13AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:06
He has no talent for lyrics.
But he's written plenty of good songs.
14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:07
Calling it 'music theory,' but what Hoshibe actually talks about is about the level of a beginner's chord-composition book.
Made me realize he barely understands arrangement theory.
20AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:10
Re: #14
Feels like one of those self-proclaimed musicians desperately talking down to him just because they're older.
22AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:12
That's just some old guy losing it because he can't bring himself to admit it.
27AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:19
Hoshibe can't even write basic two-voice counterpoint well — he genuinely lacks arrangement skill.
You can see it if you compare it with Noimii's 'Ai wo Kudasaimase,' which is in the same gothic style as 'Misery.'
In Noimii's song, the vocal melody and the string line differ but stay well balanced together.
In Hoshibe's, only the vocal melody stands out,
which makes it feel cheap as gothic music.
30AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:22
Re: #27
That Noimii song flopped hard, it's a garbage track.
32AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:24
Re: #30
A song with 10 million views isn't what I'd call a flop.
34AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:24
Re: #32
On THE FIRST TAKE it's only a tenth of that, though.
33AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:24
He's got more talent than Takui, at least.
As a melody-maker, if he just had some more individuality, the possibilities would really open up.
38AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:27
Re: #33
Takui's still landed more hits than him, though.
36AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:26
Re: #34
Even so,
it hit a million views in three weeks.
That's not a flop.
43AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:29
Re: #36
If you're going to bill it as a bigger hit than 'Misery,' I'd want to see it hit 5 million views on THE FIRST TAKE.
39AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:28
I'd say the ones who carried Hello! Project through the post-Tsunku era were Hoshibe, Shusui, Kouga, and Yusuke Kato.
42AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:29
Re: #39
I think he deserves credit for using 'Taikibansei' to head off the backlash.
46AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:30
My take is that 'Taikibansei' is the worst piece of garbage among all their debut/re-debut songs.
50AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:33
Re: #46
It was the opening of the post-Tsunku era.
If it had gotten a total thumbs-down from the fans,
today's Hello! Project might not exist.
In that sense, 'Taikibansei' really mattered.
48AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:32
Re: #43
At its current growth rate, given the same amount of time as Misery's THE FIRST TAKE version, it'd easily clear 5 million too.
51AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:33
Re: #48
Misery was growing faster right from the start, so that's not happening.
49AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:32
Hits and song quality aren't really related anyway.
I mean, 'Love Machine' is trash among trash.
52AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:33
Re: #49
They're not completely unrelated, and it's still better than the others.
54AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:35
Re: #51
Noimii did 1.5 million in three weeks.
Misery did just under 5 million in nine months.
If you can do basic math,
the outcome is already obvious.
56AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:37
Re: #54
Funny that you think it'll just keep growing like simple math.
58AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:42
Re: #56
Even if growth slows down over time,
that applies to both equally.
It'd be weirder to assume Noimii's growth rate drops off harder than Misery's.
62AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:50
Re: #58
If you're comparing it within Hello! Project's THE FIRST TAKE lineup, Noimii is closer to 'Koi Revolution' than to 'Misery' or 'Hatsukoi Cider.'
59AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:46
Hoshibe's songs have a mechanical feel to them.
Maybe it's just how he works, but it's like — pretty, but the outer structure is always the same.
63AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:53
Takui is just being hyped up desperately by Angerme fans.
66AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:56
Re: #63
Isn't it more like there are maybe two Takui fans among the 'wolves' (Morning Musume's fan nickname)?

Background and Key Points

Hello! Project is Up-Front Group’s family of idol acts — Morning Musume。, Angerme, BEYOOOOONDS and others — that for two decades was defined almost entirely by producer Tsunku, who wrote and composed nearly every hit himself. After throat cancer surgery in 2014 cost him his singing voice, he stepped back from active songwriting, forcing the agency to lean on a rotating bench of outside composers — Shō Hoshibe among them — to fill the gap. “Taikibansei,” the 2015 single that relaunched Morning Musume with several new members, is generally treated as the symbolic first release of that “post-Tsunku” period, which is why posters keep returning to it as a make-or-break moment for the franchise’s survival rather than judging it purely as a song.

The thread doesn’t actually split on whether Hoshibe is good or bad in the abstract — nearly everyone grants he’s “passing grade.” It splits on whether raw output (his string of average, dependable songs) or the two or three highlights (“Taikibansei,” “Koi Misery ,” “Do Dance”) should define his legacy, and on whether YouTube view counts on THE FIRST TAKE are a legitimate stand-in for songwriting quality at all.

What outside readers will likely miss is that THE FIRST TAKE numbers aren’t a neutral chart — placement, timing, and the channel’s own promotional push swing view totals independently of the song itself, yet posters here treat them like Oricon sales figures and extrapolate future growth from early weeks as if it were simple arithmetic. That’s less a music-criticism debate than wota culture’s habit of relitigating fandom stats as objective proof.

*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “What do you think of ‘Shō Hoshibe’?“

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