A thread titled “Capitalism—when you really think about it, something’s off” appeared on 5ch’s “Whatever Live” board (なんでも実況G), sparking a debate that began with frustration over how the rich monopolize wealth.
The discussion wound through the historical background of neoliberalism and totalitarianism before eventually landing on the question of whether effort or luck determines success — with one counterargument citing Shohei Ohtani as an example.
If this were a video game, it'd be a certified trash game.
Can't be helped — humanity hasn't found a better system than capitalism yet.
A system where you can rake in insane amounts of money just from investing is broken.
If that were the case, no capitalists would bother creating jobs for people to work in. And if the government did that instead, that's just a planned economy.
Exactly that, basically.
Japan's already been neoliberal for quite a while now.
This is basically an ideology for manufacturing armies.
Fascism, a totalitarian ideology, was actually devised by an Italian communist.
Thanks (Kansai slang for "cheers").
Nazism is what you get when you add nationalism and xenophobia into the mix to tighten control — but the two get mixed up pretty easily.
As long as you've got the basics — food, clothing, shelter — plus some free time, who cares about the economy?
By that logic, 98% of people under capitalism only contribute to 2% of its growth, so it'd be "correct" for that 2% to monopolize the wealth.
The risk is way too big, so most people never even consider it.
Also, just having this space where I can post with everyone here is enough for me.
There's no system out there where you'd succeed.
You're basically talking to a mirror there lol
No need to spell it out in a reply lmao
It's a self-deprecating term used by workers exploited under harsh capitalist working conditions.
And the fact there's no decent alternative to it either — it's just garbage.
Is it really that much of a cliff, though?
I don't have any complaints.
Huh? Wasn't that comment directed at me?
Guess I misread it then.
My bad.
Just look at who I replied to…
Without investment, corporations wouldn't even exist in the first place.
Then workers wouldn't have companies to work for, right?
I don't think that proves investing counts as labor, though.
What you're saying is an extreme take.
I'm not denying that corporations should exist at all.
You're using your brain to pick where to invest, taking on risk, and putting your assets on the line — that's basically labor already.
Then what exactly is "unearned income" supposed to mean?
But you don't always get compensated for it, do you? Regular labor means getting paid for the time you put in and the work you do — and since investing doesn't guarantee that in the same way, investing isn't labor.
I don't get why everyone gets so bothered by things not being equal.
Being born into a rich family is just lucky.
What's wrong with that?
Of course people build up resentment when they lose out due to luck that no amount of skill could overcome.
That's what I don't get.
A huge part of Ohtani's success comes from being born with that physique — so does that mean you think Ohtani is "cheating" and it's unfair?
He's not cheating, but he did get lucky.
Sure, Ohtani got lucky with his physique, but nobody complains because he put in the effort to make the most of it.
Being born rich, though, means starting on easy mode with an advantage and zero effort involved.
Lumping those two together doesn't make sense.
The problem is that, as things stand, plenty of benefits also flow to people regardless of whether they actually worked for them.
There's a gap between someone who happened to be born in a rich country and someone born in a poor one.
There's also a gap between someone who job-hunted during a boom and someone who did it during a recession.
And a parent's financial power has a huge influence on their child too.
So what exactly is wrong with that?
"Equality is the ideal" is just a nice-sounding platitude — what are you, in elementary school?
That's exactly why Gandhi affirmed the caste system.
Society, in whatever form it takes, is fundamentally a mass of unfairness and inequality.
Saying "it's a status given by God" is the simplest explanation — after all, being God, it's beyond human comprehension.
Background and Key Points
5ch’s “Whatever Live” (なんでも実況G) is one of the platform’s high-traffic real-time chat boards, where threads move fast and drift far from their original topic — exactly what happened here, as a gripe about wealth hoarding spiraled into potted history of fascism and Gandhi within a hundred posts. The neoliberalism tangent has real weight in Japan: since the Koizumi-era reforms of the early 2000s, labor deregulation and the shift toward performance pay have been blamed for widening inequality and the rise of irregular (non-lifetime) employment, so “neoliberalism ruined Japan” is a stock grievance on boards like this one, not a one-off complaint.
The actual fault line in the thread isn’t capitalism versus communism — it’s whether unearned advantage is morally different depending on its source. Posters largely agreed that Ohtani’s genetic gifts don’t make his success illegitimate, because he still worked to convert that potential into results; the disagreement was over whether inherited wealth deserves the same pass, since it confers advantage without requiring any effort at all. That’s a narrower, more interesting argument than the “is capitalism broken” framing the thread opened with.
What’s likely to trip up outside readers is the fascism tangent: Mussolini did start as a socialist before founding fascism, but calling fascism a straightforward “extension of communism” collapses a much messier ideological break that the thread never untangles from Nazism’s separate ethnonationalist roots. Readers should also know Ohtani is invoked here purely as a shared cultural reference for “talent as luck” — the thread isn’t actually engaging with his career, just borrowing his name as shorthand.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Whatever Live) thread “Capitalism—when you really think about it, something’s off.”







