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  • Karen Takizawa: “If I Could Only Bring One Seasoning to a Desert Island, It’d Be Mirin” — 5ch Mostly Says Soy Sauce or Salt

    On Fuji TV’s “Kamaitachi’s Instant Answer!”, talent Karen Takizawa said, “If I could only bring one seasoning to a desert island, mirin would do,” and the story was picked up on 5ch. The thread saw a string of practical objections — “salt can be made from seawater, so soy sauce or sugar is more useful,” “mirin alone is hard to use without dashi or soy sauce” — but the discussion also veered off into a debate over the premise itself, namely whether a desert island is guaranteed to even have an ocean nearby, and things never quite settled.

    Sun, Oct 4, 17:33

    Talent Karen Takizawa (34) appeared on Fuji TV’s “Kamaitachi’s Instant Answer! — Solve Your Problems in 60 Seconds” (9:00 PM), which aired on the 2nd, and revealed the seasoning she uses most.

    During the studio talk, MC and Kamaitachi member Ryuichi Hamaie asked, “Is there a seasoning you use a lot?” Takizawa declared, “Number one is mirin,” adding, “If I didn’t have mirin… say I could only bring one seasoning to a desert island, mirin would do.”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Soy sauce or miso.
    You can get salt from seawater anyway.
    5AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:46
    With pepper you can handle meat or fish without stress
    salt's covered by seawater anyway.
    6AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:47
    It also works as a substitute for sake,
    plus it's got sweetness and umami.
    7AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:48
    Soy sauce, probably.
    For eating fish you catch, soy sauce's the way.
    Salt can be made from seawater.
    9AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:51
    Sugar, I'd say.
    Getting sugar on your own isn't exactly easy either.
    11AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:53
    I thought "mirin, makes sense," but is everyone here just dumping on it?
    12AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:53
    Assuming you can just walk to a beach just because it's called a desert "island" is naive.
    13AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:54
    Mirin, right? Reducing it down (nikiri-style) also adds a lot of depth to the flavor.
    16AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:55
    You can source salt locally, so I'd go with vinegar.
    18AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:57
    Shiro-dashi (white dashi) is the only choice
    it's already got sugar, soy sauce, mirin, and amino acids in it.
    20AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:57
    Sugar, for sure.
    Just evaporate some seawater for the salt.
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    If it's mirin-tier, I'd pick Ajinomoto or Hi-Mi (MSG-based seasonings) instead
    goes with more things than mirin does.
    24AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    Being handed just one seasoning on a desert island — what are you even supposed to do with that?
    25AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    Re: #3
    Why is it a given that a desert island has an ocean?
    28AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:06
    Re: #25
    What kind of island doesn't have an ocean?
    38AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:13
    Re: #28
    Like an island in Lake Biwa, maybe?
    Chikubu Island or something.
    27AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:04
    What exactly leads to you ending up on a desert island in the first place?
    And who's this person who only lets you bring one seasoning?
    29AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:06
    Mirin alone is hard to use without soy sauce or dashi.
    Might as well just take sugar.
    30AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:07
    Soy sauce is the only real choice.
    Pour it on anything — sand, rope, whatever — and it becomes edible somehow.
    31AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:09
    Salt's everywhere around a desert island anyway.
    43AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:15
    Making salt with a salt field would be a hassle,
    but you could catch fish and simmer them in seawater (maasu-ni style).
    44AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:17
    If you're allowed fire and a pot, you can make salt.
    Making it purely by sun-drying would be pretty tough since it depends so much on the weather.
    45AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:17
    Mentsuyu (noodle soup base) seems like it'd be better, honestly.
    48AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:20
    Salt is exactly what you don't need on a desert island, Yamauchi.
    Karen's got it right.
    49AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:21
    Asahi Ponzu, obviously, if you think about it rationally.
    Though it's hard to find on shelves lately.
    52AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:23
    Whenever this kind of topic comes up,

    a lot of people picture a desert island as

    some perpetually-summer place surrounded by ocean.

    But that's not necessarily true
    so it could be a forested area with no sea or rivers in sight, or it could be ringed by sheer cliffs,
    or it could be a frozen wasteland that's below freezing year-round.
    54AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:24
    Re: #52
    Without any defined premise, there's no point overthinking it.
    58AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:26
    Re: #52
    If you're gonna go there, the answer just ends up being "well, I'm not going to a desert island in the first place."
    62AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:29
    These "what would you bring to a desert island" threads never have a defined premise, so arguing about it is kind of pointless anyway.
    75AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:44
    No, mirin's the right answer. Salt's covered — there's seawater.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    “If you could only bring one thing to a desert island” is a classic variety-show question, and this time too the thread drifted off-topic on 5ch because the premise — whether there’s an ocean nearby, whether fire or a pot are available, and so on — was never spelled out. The idea that salt can be made by boiling down seawater came up repeatedly, but in practice sun-drying it and securing fuel aren’t that simple, and some pushed back on the very assumption that salt can be “sourced locally.” The majority view was that mirin alone can’t substitute for saltiness or dashi, and that soy sauce or miso are more versatile — but it tends to go unmentioned that Takizawa’s comment was just an offhand remark on a variety show, not an attempt to win some optimal-survival-strategy contest.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Entertainment/Sports News+) thread “If Karen Takizawa could only bring one seasoning to a desert island? Studio stunned by her unexpected pick: “No way!?”“

  • Juice=Juice’s Off-Duty Outfits Spark Buzz Over Insanely High Jeans Rate

    On a 5ch thread where Hello! Project fans gather, multiple off-duty outfit photos of Juice=Juice and other members were posted, and the sheer number of them wearing jeans became a talking point. While some posters made styling requests like “I wish they’d roll up the cuffs” and “please, no more cheap-looking distressed denim,” others praised the jeans themselves, saying things like “it really shows off their great figures” and “jeans actually look more stylish.” As the chat spread, posters brought up how jeans originally started as workwear for coal miners, along with an anecdote about an old-guard singer from the folk-music-boom era who reportedly hated the idea of wearing jeans on the Kohaku Uta Gassen (Japan’s biggest New Year’s Eve music broadcast) — turning the thread into a broader chat about the place of jeans as a fashion item.

    1AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:13
    Pretty much all jeans, huh
    3AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:14
    Just throw on jeans without thinking — guess that goes for both the members and the wota (diehard fans) alike.
    6AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:18
    Is there not a single stylish girl who rolls up her cuffs?
    18AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:26
    Re: #6
    You gotta roll the hem up properly, you know.
    7AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:18
    Does the guy going on about "commitment" want them doing a radio show in swimsuits or something?
    8AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:20
    Please, no more cheap-looking distressed jeans.
    9AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:20
    But you gotta admit, the members wearing jeans are the stylish ones.
    10AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:21
    Everyone's jeans outfits are pretty solid, not gonna lie.
    11AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:22
    Most of BEYOOOOONDS showed up to Budokan in denim
    https://kizuna.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/morningcoffee/1752101003/1

    1 Name: Anonymous Recruit… [] Posted: 2025/07/10 (Thu) 07:43:23.63 0
    Did they ride in on horses or something?
    https://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20250709/14/beyooooonds-chicatetsu/5a/6b/j/o1080081015631333308.jpg

    54 Name: Anonymous Recruit… [] Posted: 2025/07/10 (Thu) 08:25:14.30 0
    The jeans rate is high, huh
    http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20250708/23/angerme-new/53/cd/j/o1080081015631145868.jpg
    12AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:23
    Jeans just naturally show off a good figure.
    15AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:24
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvovXsWWkAATYAG.jpg
    19AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:26
    Tako-chan (member's nickname) actually suits jeans though
    23AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:28
    Re: #19
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HTTfRfea0AAxn_I.jpg:orig#.jpg
    64AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:00
    Re: #23
    Tako-chan's fashion sense has really leveled up lately.
    25AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:28
    83AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:45
    Re: #25
    One of them was crazy tanned, lol
    29AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:30
    Danbara's surprisingly girly taste in clothes
    34AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:31
    Re: #29
    That's nothing new, is it?
    33AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:31
    http://ogre.natalie.mu/media/news/music/2025/0910/KND04960.jpg
    http://ogre.natalie.mu/media/news/music/2025/0910/KND04982.jpg
    http://ogre.natalie.mu/media/news/music/2025/0910/KND05028.jpg
    35AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:32
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1HcrkYa0AAOCek.jpg
    41AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:36
    https://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20221215/21/tsubaki-factory/d6/75/j/o1080144015216744528.jpg
    43AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:37
    Re: #41
    Marin's face is shockingly tiny in person.
    77AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:27
    Re: #41
    That's Aimyon (the singer).
    47AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:42

    51AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:44

    66AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    Re: #51
    Why'd she take it off, lol
    53AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:46
    54AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:49
    Top 3 so far:
    Marin-chan
    Yume-chan (octopus tee)
    Risachi
    61AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:00
    Re: #54
    What about En-aka?
    55AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:54
    74AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:12
    Re: #55
    Amazing figure.
    68AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:04
    Jeans were originally workwear for coal miners and the like
    They were never an item meant to convey refinement or elegance in the first place
    In that sense,
    they're clothes that give off zero impression of quality or luxury.
    88AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:49
    Re: #68
    Apparently when folk songs became a huge trend and artists wanted to wear jeans on the Kohaku Uta Gassen, old-guard singers from the pre-war generation hated the idea.
    84AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:46
    Rurre doesn't really have great taste in casual clothes
    Wish she'd go for a cooler-looking style instead
    94AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:53
    Re: #84
    Guess she's just not into it.
    87AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:49
    Jeans with platform sneakers, no thought put into it whatsoever

    Is that so wrong?
    90AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:50
    Re: #87
    Inoue's platform soles are unreal.

    Background and Talking Points

    This thread kicked off when someone compiled off-duty outfit photos of members who’d attended a Hello! Project event. Checking out idols’ everyday clothes has long been a favorite pastime among Hello! Project fans, complete with a whole culture of parsing outfit styles and guessing brands. This time, it just so happened that a lot of members were wearing jeans, which sent the conversation down the path of “why is everyone in jeans?” The reactions weren’t unanimous — some pushed back with complaints like “please skip the cheap-looking distressed denim,” while others praised jeans for “showing off a good figure.” The discussion expanded further from there, touching on how jeans originated as workwear for miners rather than clothing meant to look refined, and how, as denim spread into youth culture alongside the folk music boom, there were reportedly old-guard singers who hated the idea of artists wearing jeans on the Kohaku Uta Gassen. What started as simple outfit commentary ended up drifting into a broader chat about the origins of jeans as a fashion item.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread「Juice=Juice Members’ Terrifyingly High Jeans Rate lol」.

  • Former Giants Pitcher Shozo Sadaoka’s Retirement, Revealed — 5ch: ‘Looked Like He Stepped Out of a Shojo Manga’

    Former Yomiuri Giants pitcher Shozo Sadaoka (69) appeared on BS Fuji’s “Pro Baseball Legend Hall” on October 5, where he discussed the circumstances behind his decision to retire from active play at just 29, and recalled getting a phone call at home from his mentor, Shigeo Nagashima. The broadcast revealed why the pitcher — one of the Giants’ famed “Big Three,” alongside Suguru Egawa and Takashi Nishimoto — left the sport when he did, prompting a wave of 5ch posts looking back on how he was rated as a player and his later career as a TV personality.

    The truth behind Shozo Sadaoka’s decision to retire at 29 — and the phone call from Nagashima to the home where he’d shut himself away

    Former Giants pitcher Shozo Sadaoka (69) appeared as a guest on BS Fuji’s “Pro Baseball Legend Hall” (Tuesdays, 10:00 PM), airing September 29.

    He spoke about what led him to retire at just 29 despite being part of the celebrated trio with Suguru Egawa and Takashi Nishimoto, and expressed his gratitude to his mentor, Shigeo Nagashima.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:06
    So what…?
    25AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:22
    Re: #2
    That's exactly what I'd say about your post lol
    4AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:08
    So he originally wanted to join the Tigers, huh
    5AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:08
    Wasn't he only throwing like 120 km/h (~75 mph)?!
    7AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:09
    "Is this your first time wearing Western clothes?"
    17AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:19
    Re: #7
    Mr. [Nagashima] genuinely thought players straight out of high school only ever wore their school uniforms, huh
    8AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:10
    29, seriously?
    That's still young enough to keep growing and improving
    9AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:10
    Super idol Shozo Sadaoka
    11AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:14
    Re: #9
    Guess that's why his TV career took off
    39AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:29
    Re: #26
    No idea how old you are, but judging from the photo in Re: #9, he doesn't really look like he stepped out of a shojo manga.
    He's got that Showa-era handsome vibe, but not the shojo manga look at all.
    Shojo manga heartthrobs are more fair-skinned, with cleaner, more refined features — more like actor Masaki Okada.
    96AnonymousOct 5, 2026 01:21
    Re: #9
    Oh my, gorgeous
    10AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:13
    In his rookie year, on March 3, Sadaoka took part in a sit-down interview with manager Shigeo Nagashima on the banks of the Oyodo River in Miyazaki, where he was asked, "Is this your first time wearing Western clothes?" — and didn't know how to answer.
    13AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:18
    Re: #10
    I've seen this somewhere before lol
    He's got that bewildered "wait, what is this guy even saying…?" look on his face
    31AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:24
    Re: #10
    I wonder which one it actually was —
    did he think Kagoshima was some region where people don't even wear T-shirts,
    or was he just using "Western clothes" to mean a formal suit?
    12AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:15
    Unlike now, the Giants were still a real brand back then.
    He probably didn't want to tarnish that by going somewhere like the Kintetsu Buffaloes.
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:21
    Re: #12
    Was the cap logo already the buffalo mark by Sada's time? Or was it still the "B"?
    18AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:20
    Make Ichioka and Nioka his coaches, and let Sadaoka manage (a pun — they all share the "-oka" surname ending)
    19AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:20
    Bet Nagashima's call was literally just "Sadaoka, is this your first time wearing Western clothes?"
    21AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:21
    He must've made serious money from "Nama Dara" (the live specials of Tunnels' variety show)
    32AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:25
    Re: #21
    Funny how Tunnels paid him handsomely for years, then one of their crazy stunts ended up pushing him off TV for good lol
    54AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:38
    Re: #32
    Wasn't Sadaoka hosting a sports news show at the time, and Ishibashi [of Tunnels] ordered him to do the "Very harsh!" catchphrase bit on air? He actually did it and got fired from the show lol
    22AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:21
    I remember stuff from around '84-'85, but I don't really have memories of him actually pitching.
    In '85 the Tigers were all anyone talked about, so I had no idea Sadaoka retired the same day they won the Japan Series.
    The only Sadaoka I remember is the one getting roasted later on Nama Dara.
    24AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:21
    After retiring, he initially said he wasn't going to become a TV personality.
    26AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:22
    184 cm tall, an 89 cm inseam, and sharply chiseled good looks —
    I don't think we'll ever see another ballplayer as handsome as Sadaoka, the kind who looks like he walked out of a shojo manga.
    Otani and Sasaki Roki can match him for height and leg length, but when it comes to the face alone, they just can't beat Sadaoka.
    85AnonymousOct 5, 2026 01:05
    Re: #26
    Back then, I guess a dignified face like young Yuzo Kayama's was the standard for male good looks
    27AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:22
    I just remember him getting absolutely trashed on Nama Dara
    34AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:27
    Awano got traded from Kintetsu to the Giants, coached there too, and now runs his own YouTube channel hanging out with various ex-pros.
    Sadaoka's probably just an introvert who's bad with people.
    He must've been popular with women, but he's never married — guess he's more comfortable being on his own.
    49AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:34
    If Egawa and Makihara are S-rank, Nishimoto's an A, and Sadaoka's maybe a C
    95AnonymousOct 5, 2026 01:20
    Re: #49
    Makihara, who only won 13 games in a season, as S-rank? 😂
    59AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:41
    The only starters I remember are Egawa, Nishimoto, Kato, and Makihara.
    No memory of Sadaoka or Shimmura at all.
    62AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:47
    Re: #59
    It's Egawa, Kuwata, and Saito, come on.
    Yeah, I've got no memory of Sadaoka either.
    65AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:48
    Going from the Giants to Kintetsu back then was basically a death sentence for your career.
    Even Kintetsu's own Kanemura talked trash about the team at the time.
    72AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:52
    Re: #65
    The Pacific League in the '80s was all about Seibu's dominance.
    Manager Mori, I think.
    Nobody was a fan of teams like Lotte, Kintetsu, or Nankai.
    74AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:55
    The Pacific League used to baffle me — weekday day games and all.
    Even on Pro Baseball News you could see the stadiums were basically empty.
    89AnonymousOct 5, 2026 01:13
    Re: #74
    There was that whole trend of drawing dark circles under your eyes with a marker to look exhausted from Kintetsu day games lol
    76AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:57
    Not like today's popular Pacific League —
    back then it was an era where you'd only catch the scores on the sports news.
    Daiei didn't even exist yet.
    83AnonymousOct 5, 2026 01:05
    Re: #76
    I only ever saw the Pacific League on Pro Baseball News.
    Day games at half-empty Nissei Stadium, Nishinomiya Stadium, Korakuen —
    plus the All-Star Game and the Japan Series.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Shozo Sadaoka was one of the pitchers known as the Giants’ “Big Three,” alongside Suguru Egawa and Takashi Nishimoto, and nearly all of his 51 career wins came as a starter. His retirement at 29 was rooted in his standing within the team and his refusal of a proposed trade to the Kintetsu Buffaloes, and the heart of this episode is that his relationship with then-manager Shigeo Nagashima continued even after he left the game. The thread split over two points: how to rate his skill as a player, and his personal character. Ranking Egawa and Makihara as “S-rank” drew pushback — comments calling it odd to give S-rank to a 13-win season reflect a long-running debate among baseball fans over how starting pitchers should be judged (factors beyond win-loss record, like pitch quality and team circumstances). The other point of friction was how he was treated after retirement on the variety show “Tunnels no Minasan no Okage Deshita” — the thread mixed posts simply stating the facts of how he ended up leaving broadcast work with posts that framed it as a verdict on his personal character, and this article leaves the latter out. Testimony that the Pacific League back then centered on sparsely attended day games also makes for a striking contrast with its popularity today.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Geisoku+) thread “[Baseball] Former Giants pitcher Shozo Sadaoka reveals the truth behind his decision to retire at 29 — and the phone call from Nagashima to the home where he’d shut himself away.”

  • Rosy Chronicle Concert Venue Reeks — 5ch: “It Smelled So Bad I Couldn’t Even Form a Review”

    On October 4, 2026, Hello! Project group Rosy Chronicle (Rojikuro) played a show at a standing-only live house in Saitama (capacity 350). On 5ch’s Hello! Project board, a thread took off after a post complained that the smell in the audience was so bad that “even though it was supposed to be a fun show, I can’t even put my feelings into words.” The topic didn’t stop at a single complaint — discussion branched into comparisons with other groups’ shows like Juice=Juice, Tsubaki Factory, and trainee shows, and opinion split over whether the smell came from the fans’ hygiene or the venue’s layout. Female fans also voiced fear of “ending up next to some awful-smelling otaku,” and complaints about odor from both men and women ended up colliding.

    1AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:40
    Itochi@S5892337418634
    Seriously… the smell… it was brutal… it was supposed to be a fun show…
    It was honestly so smelly, I felt so sick, I can't even put my thoughts into words…
    2AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:41
    Should've just stuck to a Tsubaki show instead…
    3AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:42
    Not just Hello! Project shows
    Feels like there's been a lot of smelly people around in general these past few days
    5AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:43
    Guess all you can do is rub some Mentholatum under your nose (menthol ointment)
    6AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:43
    A group that's basically Tsubaki's venue filtered and concentrated down even further lol
    7AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:44
    It wasn't me!
    It definitely wasn't me!
    8AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:44
    This again (recurring topic)

    Soak your clothes regularly in powdered oxygen bleach
    9AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:44
    Giving the train after a pro baseball game a real run for its money
    10AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:45
    Floss when you brush your teeth too

    And if your breath is bad no matter what that day, just wear a mask
    11AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:45
    Juice → Tsubaki → Rosy ← you are here
    13AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:47
    I still don't know what "old-person smell" actually smells like
    How would I even find out?
    17AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:50
    Re: #13
    The back of your balls when you sweat
    22AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:54
    Re: #13
    It's the smell of 2-nonenal from oxidized skin oil, so rub a finger behind your ears or around your nose — the oily spots that don't get washed properly — and smell it, you'll know
    15AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:48
    The rose otaku making women cry at ports all across Japan
    16AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:49
    It's ironic that Tsubaki and Rosy, both named after flowers, are the two biggest stink groups
    18AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:50
    Scratch your scalp after work and smell your fingers
    That's old-person smell
    And to think it used to just smell like conditioner when you were a kid
    19AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:51
    Hello! Project shows are packed with people giving off a stench you'd never run into living a normal life in society
    21AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:54
    A Hello! Project show just isn't complete without the otaku stench
    24AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:56
    Went to a release event before and some old guy camping the front row without buying anything farted
    Then once it started, the guy next to me straight up soiled himself while watching the show, dead serious
    Rosy otaku are filthy
    26AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:58
    Hello! otaku really are unbelievably smelly
    Then again, my first ever idol show was a Hello! one, and I went years watching nothing but Hello! shows, so I just assumed all idol concerts came wrapped in this kind of pungent smell — then when I finally went to a non-Hello! show, it was shockingly fresh, like a highland meadow, total culture shock
    Barely any bald guys either, no weird dorky old men
    Hello! otaku are just not normal
    29AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:03
    Re: #26
    This person seems to go to a lot of shows
    So this time must've been especially bad
    75AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:08
    Saying the same thing as Re: #26

    @
    What I learned after hitting underground idol shows at 13 venues over about a month and a half: Hello! Project shows are 1000 times smellier.

    I used to think I was just oversensitive to smell since I was always complaining about the stink at every show, but I realized I almost never said the word "smelly" at underground shows. Sure, the venues themselves can smell since they're underground, but the otaku there aren't smelly at all — is that because they're close to their oshi and more careful about it, or are Hello! otaku just abnormal…
    28AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:02
    The members are actually looking our way too, so isn't it normal to clean yourself up before going?
    30AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:03
    Why Rosy Chronicle otaku are so smelly

    Smelly armpits
    Smelly breath
    Smelly shoes
    Even their moles smell
    Old-person smell
    Still wearing last year's shirt

    There's also a chance they hate the new female fans and are deliberately spreading stench to drive them off
    31AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:07
    Re: #30
    Seriously, there's probably at least a handful doing it on purpose
    Trying to keep the show to themselves
    32AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:09
    Rosy's really leveled up — a proper Hello! Project group now
    33AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:09
    That Berryz otaku guy in the soccer or baseball jersey was smelly
    Armpit odor
    34AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:11
    Bacteria builds up on towels and the waistband of underwear too — get them sweaty and they let off a serious stench
    35AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:13
    There's that stench that lingers in your nose, huh lol, the kind that makes you want to puke even after you've left
    Hello! otaku-specific stink molecules just cling thick to the receptors deep in your nose
    36AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:15
    Watching idols surrounded by surströmming-level stench is exactly what makes you feel alive though
    37AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:15
    The smell of oxidized skin oil from not bathing mixed with the smell of a half-dried shirt
    39AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:18
    I'm in Kansai, and at Juice, Tsubaki, Rosy, or trainee shows I've never run into otaku this bad
    Is this a Kanto-only thing, with multiple people doing it?
    50AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:30
    Re: #39
    This time it was a standing-only live house in Saitama, so I think people were packed in tight up front
    Standing venues are smelly
    44AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:25
    At least keep popping Mintia mints constantly, it's basic etiquette (a Japanese mint-tablet brand)
    46AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:28
    Re: #44
    It's sweat, so there's nothing you can do about it
    66AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:52
    @
    A 350-capacity live house, huh — sounds rough….

    @
    We were crammed in so tight it was unreal… I couldn't understand at all why they picked this venue…

    @
    Were there a lot of men?

    @
    Overwhelmingly more men!

    @
    Groups like Tsubaki and Rosy
    Maybe that's the bottleneck? 😫

    @
    I was in the women-only area today, but even among the women there were some with zero manners, so I don't think it's really a men-vs-women thing 🙃
    82AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:16
    Re: #74
    Re: #66
    > I was in the women-only area today, but even among the women there were some with zero manners, so I don't think it's really a men-vs-women thing
    74AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:05
    Women were suffering from the pungent smell of Hello! otaku

    Luna_the_Cat @Luna_the_Cat16 · Sep 25

    What Hello! Project or the event organizers probably don't understand is:
    Women are pretty sensitive to smell
    The fear of ending up next to some awful-smelling otaku

    That's why, even at a 200-capacity standing venue with a ticket number in the top teens, I'll still go straight to the women-only area without hesitation to avoid the risk
    Even if I could get to the front row, if some awful-smelling otaku ends up next to me, the show's ruined anyway
    76AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:08
    Female otaku reek of makeup too, I don't want them standing next to me either — that chemical smell I hate
    78AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:09
    Re: #76
    If female otaku and you just didn't show up, it'd be pretty comfortable
    80AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:15
    @
    Suddenly remembered that at TIF (Tokyo Idol Festival), only the Hello! otaku smelled bad. Everyone's equally drenched in sweat outside, so why is it only during the Hello! stage that there are people smelly enough to sting your eyes…? Why?

    @
    A Morning Musume leader actually figured out the cause of Hello! otaku stink, legendary
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNCEzjHaUAAwx2j.jpg

    @
    Just reading the title made me burst into tears
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HJ8Y0tsaQAAdkU5.jpg

    @
    Was walking through Iidabashi thinking something smelled bad, and sure enough it was a Hello! otaku
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYIOzANasAAISNX.jpg

    Background and Points of Debate

    The claim raised in the thread that “2-nonenal is the main component of old-person smell” is itself a compound generally recognized as a body-odor component formed from oxidized skin oil, and it’s presented here as scientifically grounded. On the other hand, eyewitness accounts like “a non-paying customer farted” or “the person next to me soiled themselves” have no way of being verified beyond the poster’s own word — they remain nothing more than individual testimony on an anonymous message board. Within the thread, opinion is split between those who frame this as “a problem specific to Hello! Project shows” and those who blame “the venue conditions — standing-only, 350 capacity, in Saitama” — and no conclusion has been reached on which is the main cause. There’s also a comparison claiming it’s “smellier than underground idol shows,” but it’s worth noting this is limited to one poster’s personal experience and isn’t a rigorous comparative survey of Hello! Project as a whole against other scenes. Female fans also brought up the smell of makeup, so the odor issue isn’t confined to one gender — it grew into a broader conversation about venue crowding and hygiene management in general.

    ※This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Sad News: Rosy Chronicle Show So Smelly It Made Female Otaku Cry.”

  • Matsuyama Chiharu Reveals He Turned Down the ‘Kita no Kuni Kara’ Theme Song and Recommended Sada Masashi Instead

    On a radio broadcast on the 4th, singer Matsuyama Chiharu revealed that screenwriter Kuramoto Sou (who died on September 18 at age 91) had personally offered him the chance to sing the theme song for “Kita no Kuni Kara” (From the Northern Country). Chiharu said he turned it down, telling Kuramoto “I can’t do it,” and recommended Sada Masashi in his place. He also confessed that he and Kuramoto were close enough to have had two major blowout fights. The thread was split: some argued that because Kuramoto — who wasn’t actually from Hokkaido — was picturing an imagined, idealized Hokkaido, Sada’s music was actually the better fit, while others brought up locals’ complicated feelings about “Kita no Kuni Kara” itself.

    10/4 (Sun) 21:55

    On the 4th, singer Matsuyama Chiharu appeared live on FM NACK5’s “Matsuyama Chiharu ON THE RADIO” (Sundays, 9:00 PM), the show he hosts, and revealed a behind-the-scenes story about screenwriter Kuramoto Sou, who died on September 18 of multiple organ failure at age 91.

    At the top of that day’s show, Matsuyama said, “Last week, Kuramoto passed away. He died on September 18 — he was a playwright, a screenwriter, a writer, you know. I’ve mentioned this on the radio before, but Kuramoto and I were really close.” He then revealed that after spitting out “You idiot! Get out!” at Kuramoto during two major fights, the two had drifted apart in recent years.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    5AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:24
    Pretty rude to recommend a guy from Kyushu for a show about the 'Northern Country' (Sada is from Nagasaki, nowhere near Hokkaido)
    20AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:40
    Re: #5
    I don't think that's it?
    Because Sada sang it, the Hokkaido he imagined in his own head ended up turning into pretty good music, no?
    42AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:03
    Re: #5
    Kita no Kuni Kara
    The drama Hokkaido locals hate
    9AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:26
    I was actually living in Hokkaido back then, and Kita no Kuni Kara barely came up as a topic.
    I wonder if Churasan and Chimudondon were big topics of conversation in Okinawa, though.
    82AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:09
    Re: #9
    Churasan was a huge deal locally too —
    the lead and even the theme song were all Okinawan,
    and the dialect didn't feel off except for Sakai Masaaki.
    The Goya-man dolls sold like crazy too.

    Chimudondon, on the other hand, tried to copy Churasan's formula and it felt like it flopped —
    the good-for-nothing older brother and the mother who kept spoiling him just highlighted the less flattering side of Okinawa, so locals couldn't really root for it either.
    10AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:26
    Kuramoto was the one who always raved that Hokkaido's grand nature didn't need any lyrics at all, though
    14AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:29
    Things got suspicious right around that lyrics part
    15AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:30
    I would've loved to hear the theme song Matsuyama Chiharu himself would've come up with
    16AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:31
    I'm way more curious about that big fight mentioned earlier in the story
    17AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:36
    Hate-e-shinai-i- (humming a melody meaning "endless")

    This might've actually been the theme song
    75AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Re: #17
    Well, not that it was exactly a substitute or anything, but
    I introduced BEGIN to Kuramoto-san,
    and that's how "Shimanchu nu Takara" (Treasure of the Islanders, BEGIN's famous Okinawan hit) came about!
    22AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:40
    He's got some weird hang-ups…
    but I guess that razor's-edge quality is exactly what makes him who he is
    23AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:41
    Re: #22
    There's no hair splitting hairs over it though (a pun on "paper-thin"/"hair's-breadth" sounding alike in Japanese)
    24AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:41
    There was a signed shikishi board from Kuramoto hanging at the Okusawa hospital
    73AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:44
    Re: #24
    Something like "Snow speaks not a word," or along those lines?
    26AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:44
    Turns out Sada was right after all. It's not just about stringing together words that sound poetic.
    Might just be one of Chiharu's tall tales, but Kuramoto was into Nagabuchi and Ozaki and liked that old-school sentimental style, so it's believable lol
    28AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:46
    "It's just 'ah-' and 'u-'" had me cracking up —
    so that wasn't even Kuramoto's idea
    30AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:47
    Doesn't make me go "huh, is that so," it makes me go "wait, seriously?"
    31AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:49
    He's been saying this for ages now —
    it's common knowledge in the industry
    32AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:50
    When I hear "Masashi," Tamura is the only one who comes to mind lol
    40AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:01
    Re: #32
    Tashiro?
    Ueda Masashi too (the Kobo-chan manga artist)
    80AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:57
    Re: #32
    For me it was Kumada Masashi right off the bat (the comedian)
    34AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:53
    There were verses 1 through 5, but only verses 1 and 3 actually got used
    35AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:54
    What even is this…
    was he drunk when he said it?
    38AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:00
    Still, Sada's guts are impressive — getting offered the main theme song for a prime-time drama and actually turning in a submission that's basically just "ah, uh" lol
    41AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:01
    The name Oozora Tsubasa, the protagonist of Captain Tsubasa, is based on a Matsuyama Chiharu song
    43AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:05
    An anecdote that really shows off just how much of a genius Sada Masashi is
    44AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:05
    Wasn't Matsuyama Chiharu the type who doesn't really bother with polite speech?
    45AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:06
    >Recommended Masashi

    Isn't Sada actually his senior in the industry?
    85AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:30
    Re: #45
    Matsuyama Chiharu has always called his seniors by their bare first names, ever since he was young.
    He probably thinks that's what's cool.
    And it's not just Sada — he does it to "Tanimura," "Kousetsu," "Miyuki" and others too, it's pretty bad
    46AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:06
    Re: #20
    Since it's the fantasy Hokkaido that Kuramoto Sou — who wasn't even a Hokkaido local — pictured in his head, Sada really was the right call over Matsuyama Chiharu
    50AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:13
    Yeah, it really is just "ah… u…"
    52AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:14
    Re: #50
    Maybe it's Ohira Masayoshi!? (the former PM famous for his mumbly "ah… u…" speaking style)
    53AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:15
    Re: #42
    Why do Hokkaido locals hate it?
    55AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:17
    Re: #53
    Pretty much every character in it is a scumbag, and people don't want others thinking that's what Hokkaido locals are like or something… though I don't really know

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    The theme song for “Kita no Kuni Kara” (1981–2002, Fuji TV), titled “Kita no Kuni Kara (Aki Fureta),” was sung by Sada Masashi. Screenwriter Kuramoto Sou was born in Tokyo and only became known for his Hokkaido-set work after moving to Furano in 1977 — he was never a Hokkaido native himself. Matsuyama Chiharu, by contrast, is an actual Hokkaido local, born in Ashoro Town, and the twist at the heart of this story is that it was Chiharu who turned the theme song down. The thread split between two takes: one held that Sada’s lyrics suited Kuramoto’s abstract, imagined vision of Hokkaido better than a hometown perspective like Chiharu’s would have; the other lamented that it was a shame a genuine Hokkaido local like Chiharu never ended up singing it. Several commenters also noted that “Kita no Kuni Kara” itself wasn’t always received favorably within Hokkaido, revealing a gap between the show’s image as a nationwide hit and how locals actually felt about it.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geisoku Sokuhou+) thread “Matsuyama Chiharu turned down Kuramoto Sou’s personal request to sing the ‘Kita no Kuni Kara’ theme song — “I can’t do it, so I recommended Masashi” — also reveals why he declined.”

  • AFC to Launch a Nations League — 5ch: “Just Let Japan Into UEFA Already”

    ESPN reports that the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) is considering creating a Nations League-style competition like the ones already running in Europe and North/Central America and the Caribbean. Under the plan, the tournament would be held every two years starting in 2030, splitting member nations into three tiers — Tier 1 and Tier 2 with 18 countries each, and Tier 3 with 11 — with talk of it also doubling as World Cup or Asian Cup qualifying. The thread split between people hopeful that qualifying would effectively be streamlined, and skeptics who see it as just more travel for Europe-based players with little to show for it.

    The Asian Football Confederation (AFC) appears to be looking into creating an AFC Nations League. Sports outlet ESPN reported the news on the 4th.

    The Nations League format is already in place in Europe (UEFA) and North/Central America and the Caribbean (CONCACAF), and Africa (CAF) is expected to launch its own version starting in 2029. The AFC itself first signaled its intent to introduce the competition back in December of last year.

    According to this latest report, the AFC Nations League would be held every two years starting in 2030, with AFC member nations split into three tiers: 18 countries each in Tier 1 and Tier 2, and 11 countries in Tier 3.

    Source: soccer-king.jp / Read the original article here

    7AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:59
    It's just exhausting — who's actually going to take this seriously?
    30AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:16
    Re: #7
    If Japan loses, their FIFA ranking takes a massive hit.

    For everyone else, beating Japan is a huge chance to shoot up the FIFA rankings!

    Japan's going to have to fight tooth and nail just to defend its ranking against the rest of Asia.
    15AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:05
    I bet this gets voted down by most people, since it would effectively cap World Cup Asian qualifying at 18 teams.
    If every country doesn't keep a shot at qualifying, it's unfair — there's no need to run it as a league at all.
    Just turn the Asian Cup itself into the Nations League.
    17AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:08
    Re: #15
    I think Asian Cup qualifying is fine as it is. If they do go with a Nations League, just set a fixed number of teams for the top tier, a fixed number for the next tier, and so on.
    20AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:12
    Re: #15
    Hard to say. Even today, that's roughly how many teams realistically have a shot at the World Cup anyway.
    I think the bigger upside is for Asia's smaller nations, who'd no longer have to scramble to line up friendlies.
    23AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:13
    We don't need any of this garbage. An Asian Nations League does nothing but harm — most of the players are in Europe anyway, so why not just let us into UEFA?
    25AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:14
    The Europe-based players won't even show up for this and nobody's going to watch, so I doubt it brings in any broadcast money either.
    35AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:17
    Re: #25
    If Japan loses, their FIFA ranking tanks hard!
    Japan's the one country that has to take this dead seriously!
    31AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:16
    Lol. That's literally just Asian qualifying with a new name.
    36AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:17
    Re: #31
    It won't be standalone like in Europe — it's qualifying that's run in a Nations League format.
    39AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:19
    Nothing but harm. Just let Japan into UEFA already — swap us with Kazakhstan.
    56AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:28
    Re: #39
    European countries aren't going to want to fly back and forth to Japan every year for various competitions — geographically that's basically a non-starter.
    45AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:21
    Re: #35
    Strengthening the squad matters more than the ranking.
    Europe-based players improve more by playing for their clubs — this would just end up being a training exercise for domestic-league players and clueless coaches.
    75AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:37
    Re: #45
    If all you ever do is play Asian teams ranked outside the top 100…
    that's exactly the kind of thing that won't make you any stronger.
    82AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:39
    Re: #75
    I don't think Japan would actually end up in the same tier as teams at that level.
    88AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:44
    Re: #75
    Which is exactly why there's no point in the Europe-based players taking part.
    47AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:21
    An 18-team round-robin is unrealistic though — how are they actually going to run this?
    48AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:22
    Re: #47
    They'll probably split them into groups.
    50AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:25
    Is it even allowed to make the Nations League double as World Cup qualifying? In other regions, the Nations League and World Cup qualifying are basically kept separate.
    51AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:25
    Re: #50
    I don't think FIFA would have a problem with it — you've got to give the smaller nations a chance too.
    59AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:29
    Re: #50
    At the youth level there are already cases where the Asian Cup doubles as World Cup qualifying. If there's a promotion/relegation system and every Asian country gets a path in, I doubt anyone would object.
    52AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:26
    Re: #48
    The Swiss system — the one they use for the Champions League and such.
    64AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:31
    Re: #52
    I don't really know much about the Champions League — what's that?
    53AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:26
    How did football end up this fragmented? The old days were better.
    65AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:32
    Re: #53
    Money, that's why. The broadcast revenue now is on a completely different level than it used to be.
    No idea if the AFC can actually pull in that kind of money, though.
    Also, Africa's always fighting over money too.
    54AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:26
    We need this, don't we? Are people scared of Korea and Iran? You can dream about Europe all you want, but they're busy over there (lol).
    69AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:32
    If they're going to do this, the prize money needs to be big enough that Japan actually feels it's worth showing up for.
    77AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:38
    Re: #69
    There might be a decent payout to hope for. It gets overlooked a lot, but whether the national team can actually generate revenue matters a lot for the sport's development too. If there's any upside for Japan in joining, that's probably it.
    72AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:34
    You get to experience brutal away trips all across Asia.
    74AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:35
    Re: #72
    World Cup qualifying alone is already more than enough. Honestly, I can't take any more of this.
    85AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:42
    So it'd be capped at just 10 World Cup qualifiers? That's… actually not bad?
    95AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:46
    Re: #85
    The problem is the years when a World Cup spot isn't on the line, right?
    92AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:45
    The momentum toward launching a Nations League is probably unstoppable at this point.
    In Asia, it's really only Japan, Korea, Australia, and Iran that regularly face top teams from other continents — most matches are Asia-on-Asia anyway.
    Japan would be smart to just switch gears quickly and focus on securing a good position within it.
    What matters is the money and the World Cup spot.
    104AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:50
    Re: #92
    Public interest in the national team is going to drop even further than it already has.
    Unless the Middle East puts up LIV Golf-level prize money, it just isn't worth it.
    102AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:49
    If it doubles as World Cup qualifying, Japan would no longer have to go through what's currently the second qualifying round, so the number of matches against Asian teams would stay about the same or even go down.
    If Japan was ever going to slip up, it was always in that second round — get rid of that and Japan is almost guaranteed to reach the World Cup, while still getting tense, meaningful games against Asia's top teams. Not bad at all.
    105AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:50
    Re: #102
    It just means every international match window becomes an all-Asia affair, that's all.
    112AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:53
    Re: #105
    Even now, the international match windows during World Cup qualifying are already all-Asia.
    121AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:55
    Re: #105

    Current system:
    2nd round qualifying — 6 matches ← this part is a total waste
    Final round qualifying — 10 matches
    Total — 16 matches

    Proposed system:
    NL Tier 1 — 12 matches
    If you advance all the way to the final, 16 matches total

    The maximum number of matches is the same either way — it only drops if you lose.

    Basically, World Cup qualifying just becomes more compact.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    Since launching in 2018, the UEFA Nations League has become firmly established as a mechanism that generates substantial broadcast revenue and payouts for member federations; CONCACAF has already adopted the format, and CAF is aiming to launch its own version in 2029. The AFC had already signaled its intent to introduce such a competition back in December of last year, and this latest report represents the concrete proposal that followed. What split the thread was how to judge the idea of having it double as World Cup qualifying: one camp welcomed the prospect of fewer throwaway qualifiers and more tense matchups between top nations, while the other argued it would mainly saddle Europe-based players with extra travel for little real benefit. What tends to get overlooked is that in Europe and CONCACAF, the Nations League is, in principle, kept separate from World Cup qualifying — making it double as qualifying requires FIFA’s sign-off, and if the AFC’s plan goes through, it would be a format unlike anything used in any other region.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hassoku+) thread “[Soccer] AFC considering creating a Nations League… format that would double as World Cup or Asian Cup qualifying, possibly launching in 2030“.

  • “Manga is for kids, grow up and quit reading it” — 5ch claps back: “Shut up, kid”

    On 5ch’s “Nandemo Jikkyo” (Anything-Goes Live) board, there’s a regular late-night thread — running from deep on weeknights into the small hours — where self-described “NEETs” gather to chat live. This particular night was no exception: talk rambled from VTubers and anime/manga to reactions to the currently airing drama “Vivant,” and even pushback against the recurring claim that “manga is for kids, so adults should grow out of it.” Posts included one user confessing they’re 32 and don’t know much about manga, plus plenty of jokes riffing on the supposed link between being a NEET and being an anime expert — all giving the thread that unmistakable late-night-live-chat vibe.

    12AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:37
    Yume-chan's here too! 👋
    46AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:41
    Re: #12
    Hi there Cutie-chan, Yumeme-chan, Yume-chan, Goki-Fuyu-chan, Cool-Yume-chan, good evening 🤥
    It's cold out 🤥
    Totally feels like autumn now 🤥🍂
    Had a McDonald's Tsukimi ("moon-viewing") Burger for lunch today but ngl the Big Mac's still better 🤥
    Gonna get a Big Mac next time 🤥
    Guess I'll head to bed soon 🤥🌃✨
    Everyone, bundle up and get some rest 🤥
    Night night 🤥 see ya 🤥
    17AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:37
    31AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:39
    32AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:39
    The party's in full swing 🎤🐻

    htps://i.imgur.com/OBxXEpZ.png






    35AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:39
    One day, feeling faint — deep in the forest, full bowel (a crude parody of the kids' song "The Bear in the Forest")
    Mr. Bear, reeking of garlic — that's who I met, full bowel
    Booger, bulging boner
    Dangling sausage
    Heave-ho, weiner!
    43AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:41
    48AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:41
    54AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:41
    65AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:42
    Re: #54
    Looks heavy, huh 😊
    67AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:42
    Re: #54
    Is this the owner of that thing?
    Re: #35
    58AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:42
    This is SO irritating
    62AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:42
    What manga do you guys like?
    80AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:44
    Re: #62
    JoJo, so bizarre
    81AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:44
    Re: #62
    Hakumei and Mikochi 😤
    94AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:46
    Re: #62
    The one with the blue tanuki (Doraemon — he's actually a robot cat, but people joke he looks like a tanuki)
    64AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:42
    I actually know a lot about anime, since I'm basically a NEET
    72AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:43
    Re: #64
    The whole "NEET so he knows anime" stereotype
    91AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Re: #64
    Does becoming a NEET turn you into an anime scholar?
    76AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:43
    108AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:48
    Read "Ping Pong" since Okada Toshio said it was good — and yeah, it really was
    112AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:48
    Re: #108
    Pon-pon, supopon! (a silly sound-effect riff on "Ping Pong")
    133AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:51
    I missed today's episode of "Vivant" — can someone fill me in on how it went?
    136AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:52
    Re: #133
    Super duper good
    172AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:57
    Re: #152

    193AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:01
    Can't get enough of this 😍


    227AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:07
    I'm 32 and a NEET, but I don't really know much about manga
    229AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:08
    Re: #227
    Then what DO you know about?
    230AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:08
    Re: #229
    VTubers
    240AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:10
    Re: #229
    I'm 32 and a NEET too, but I know stuff like Breaking Down (a reality fist-fighting show)
    232AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:09
    Manga's for kids at the end of the day — grown-ups should move on from it
    237AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:09
    Re: #232
    Shut up, kid
    239AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:10
    Re: #230

    241AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:10

    Background and the debate at hand

    The “Nandemo Jikkyo” board where this thread appeared originally grew out of TV-live-commentary culture, but late at night it tends to turn into more of a general hangout for users with irregular sleep schedules than actual show commentary — which is exactly why posts from self-described “NEETs” cluster there. “Vivant,” the drama that came up, is currently airing on TBS; a request for impressions of that night’s episode got a glowing reply of “super duper good.” The claim that “manga is for kids, so adults should grow out of it” is one of those arguments that resurfaces online again and again — and true to form, it went no further than the retort “shut up, kid” before the thread drifted to the next topic without any real resolution. Note: posts naming real streamers for personal attacks, jokes hinting at drug use, and remarks mocking disability were excluded from this article.

    ※This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (“Nandemo Jikkyo”) thread “Fellow NEETs, let’s do our best at being unemployed again tomorrow 🏡.”

  • The Shinkansen Curry-Smell Debate: 5ch Asks ‘If Ekiben Are Allowed, Why Not Curry?’

    TV personality Hikorohii sparked a reaction on her radio show by commenting on eating strong-smelling food like curry or meat buns on the Shinkansen, saying “as long as the rule is that you’re allowed to eat it, there’s not much you can do about it, to some extent.” The remark was reported and drew a wave of responses on 5ch’s Geinou/Sports Breaking News+ board. It started with a listener’s message describing how they bought an Auberge curry at Tokyo Station, ate it on the train, and got hit with intense stares from people nearby. The thread split between those who argued that if it’s allowed by the rules there’s no problem — pointing to the tradition of ekiben (station bento) — and those who argued that rules and manners are separate things, with consideration for others still mattering. The debate spread into comparisons with smoking rules, and even non-food smells like perfume, fabric softener, and body odor.

    On the 1st, the TOKYO FM program “Shaberuzu ‘Tokyo FM Rohii’” aired, hosted by comedian Hikorohii.

    In the listener-mail segment, they read out a message from a listener: “I bought an Auberge curry at Tokyo Station and was eating it on the Shinkansen when I got some intense stares from people around me — I’d like to hear Hikorohii’s take on eating strong-smelling food on the Shinkansen.”

    Hikorohii said that among the bento boxes prepared for her backstage, the Auberge curry is her particular favorite. She recalled once gushing so much about how much she loved it that she ended up being given Auberge curry for breakfast, lunch, and dinner — and said that eating it on the Shinkansen, “I think there’s not much you can do about it.”

    Source: sirabee.com / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:27
    Whoa, people actually eat curry on there????
    No way.
    9AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:28
    Re: #4
    If ekiben (station bento) are allowed, why not curry too? Is that not okay?
    6AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:28
    Just keep eating without complaining, even if the smell makes you puke.
    12AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:29
    Re: #6
    You're gonna puke right there on the spot?
    29AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:34
    Food smells vs. strong perfume, fabric softener, mothballs, that damp-laundry stink —
    which would you rather deal with?
    I can put up with food smells more.
    Even B.O. is manageable if you just convince yourself it's cumin.
    46AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:38
    Re: #29
    Food smell goes away once you're done eating.
    Though it gets reissued every time you burp.
    36AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:36
    Does other people's food smell really bother you that much?
    By that logic you could never eat out at all.
    58AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:39
    Re: #36
    That's a stretch, honestly — everyone there is eating roughly the same kind of stuff lol
    49AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:38
    What even counts as a smell-free food?
    69AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:42
    Re: #49
    Sandwiches, onigiri, I guess
    maybe something like Calorie Mate (a bland meal-replacement bar)
    though it's pretty flavorless.
    71AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:43
    Re: #49
    Cold food is probably relatively odorless.
    Onigiri, sweet bread, that kind of thing?
    Though chocolate's actually pretty smelly too.
    60AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:40
    62AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:40
    Why does bento smell so bad sometimes?
    At a restaurant the same food smells totally normal — is it because it's gone cold?
    When I'm the one eating it I don't notice at all,
    but someone else's bento has this weird raw-garbage vibe to it.
    74AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:43
    Re: #62
    I can't really relate to being that bothered by it.
    63AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:40
    Some people complain even about the smell of medicated patches — I've actually had it happen to me.
    81AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Re: #63
    Wait, patches I will complain about, that's no joke.
    They smell way worse than food, by a long shot.
    Sitting next to someone reeking of menthol patches for hours is torture.
    79AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Ekiben are products the railway company officially approves for sale at the station.
    There's nothing wrong with eating them on board.
    82AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    Re: #79
    If it were something stolen from someone else, that'd be a huge problem.
    83AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:46
    Exactly.
    It's the same as a smoking-permitted area.
    You can smoke, or you can not smoke.
    But there are idiots out there yelling 'don't smoke!' regardless.
    95AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:50
    People who complain about this are just so unfulfilled from failing at life that they blow up over something this tiny, right?
    It's not really about the smell of meat buns or curry.
    I mean, that's supposed to be a smell that makes you hungry.
    The real problem is the bitterness in the hearts of the people complaining — and that can't be fixed. There's no way to save an unhappy person; they have to pull themselves up on their own.
    They'll stay miserable their whole life. It's those pitiful people who are doing the complaining.
    116AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:54
    Re: #95
    So true.
    It's just displaced stress relief instead of facing their real problems.
    Like picking a fight because you got dumped, or being irritable because you're broke — that level of thing.
    103AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:52
    So because talking is allowed, that means blasting at the top of your lungs is fine too?
    108AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:53
    This isn't just about the Shinkansen,
    but there are idiots out there who somehow think their own 'manners' (really just personal rules in disguise) should automatically take priority over the operator's official rules.
    Makes you wonder what their life at work or school even looks like.
    118AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:54
    Re: #108
    Some weekly magazine's made-up 'train rules'
    have nothing to do with anyone else.

    That's exactly what a personal rule is.
    111AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:53
    There was apparently someone on the Shinkansen trying to eat a shumai bento, and the moment that shumai smell started drifting through the car,
    some perfectly average-looking salaryman shouted 'Ugh, that reeks!' at the top of his voice — honestly scarier than the smell itself.
    123AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:55
    Re: #111
    Someone needs to tell that shouting salaryman, 'Dude, it's probably your own feet that stink.'
    131AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:57
    If you're going to eat on the Shinkansen,
    manners dictate finishing within 10 minutes of sitting down and sealing up the trash completely so no smell escapes.
    135AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:58
    Re: #131
    Before that, old man —
    do something about your body odor…
    138AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:59
    Re: #135
    Who even are you?
    You're probably the one people call gross all the time.
    141AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:01
    Re: #138
    No, seriously, you stink, so do something about it.
    You're the gross one here — at least take a shower and brush your teeth in the morning.
    Once you're on the Shinkansen, sanitize that filthy body and brush your teeth every 30 minutes.
    Old man, seriously, do at least that much. It's basic manners — be aware that you stink.
    153AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:04
    Re: #138
    If we're going there, a bald head spilling out over the seat isn't exactly pleasant to look at either.
    Everyone's putting up with something.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    Eating and drinking isn’t restricted on the Shinkansen, and JR officially permits the sale of ekiben (station bento) — meaning that eating curry or meat buns is, by the rules, not a problem at all, and Hikorohii’s “there’s not much you can do about it” answer is premised on exactly that. Where the thread split was over where to draw the line between rules and manners: one camp held that “if it’s allowed, the people complaining are the ones in the wrong,” while the other held that “even within the rules, consideration for the people around you is a separate issue” — the two sides clashed throughout, even bringing up comparisons to smoking rules. Another axis was how much sensitivity to smell varies from person to person, with plenty of comparisons made to non-food smells like perfume, fabric softener, body odor, and medicated patches. Since there’s no objective standard for “where complaining becomes justified,” this is the kind of topic where the same argument is likely to keep repeating.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports Breaking News+) thread “Hikorohii on the issue of eating strong-smelling food like curry or meat buns on the Shinkansen: “As long as the rule says you’re allowed to eat it, there’s not much you can do about it, right?”“

  • Arc de Triomphe: Daryz Repeats as Champion, Japanese Horses Fall Short Again — 5ch: ‘My Trifecta Ticket Went From ¥100 to ¥5,000’

    On the 4th, Europe’s premier Group 1 race, the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe (turf, 2,400 meters), held at Longchamp Racecourse in Paris, saw last year’s winner Daryz repeat as champion. Meishou Tabaru, ridden boldly from the front by Yutaka Take, finished 14th, while Admire Tera finished 11th — meaning Japan’s long-held dream of a first Arc victory will have to wait until next year or beyond. On 5ch, discussion flared between posters recalling the near-misses of Orfevre and Nakayama Festa (both runners-up in years past) who asked “Is there any point keeping at it when the track doesn’t suit Japanese horses?” and others arguing “You only get stronger by challenging yourself.”

    Europe’s top race, the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe (Group 1, turf 2,400 meters, 16 runners), was held on the 4th at Longchamp Racecourse in Paris, France.

    Two Japanese horses took part, but the long-sought breakthrough didn’t come. The first Japanese win will have to wait until next year or later.

    Meishou Tabaru (Kuri stable, trainer Ishibashi, 5-year-old colt), ridden by Yutaka Take (57, Kuri/freelance), boldly dashed to the front and set the pace for the field at his own speed.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:37
    I hit the trifecta — my ¥100 ticket turned into ¥5,000!
    5AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:38
    Doesn't Yutaka Take always push his horse too far forward in the Arc?
    10AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:40
    Japan's being stubborn about chasing the Arc, but the turf doesn't even suit them — is there any point going?
    22AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:44
    Re: #10
    These days it's entries driven by betting sales. The racing association is basically begging the top stables to send their horses. The Arc has a good race time slot, so it sells a ton of tickets no matter what.
    42AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:50
    Re: #10
    Doesn't it multiply the horse's stud value once it retires?
    48AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:51
    Re: #10
    If you keep making excuses about the track not suiting you instead of ever winning, you'll never improve.
    Japanese racing has risen to a world-class level precisely because they kept challenging themselves.
    Looking down on the Arc and European racing for some 'moral victory' without ever actually winning is what washed-up losers do.
    13AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:41
    Daryz is 8-for-9 at Longchamp, so Croix — who's beaten Daryz there — looks even better now.
    81AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:59
    Re: #13
    He only won because of interference from that veering.
    24AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:45
    I wish Forever Young had run the Arc without a prep race.
    89AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:00
    Re: #24
    The difference in finishing speed is just too big lol
    98AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:01
    Re: #24
    Forever Young probably would've won the Arc outright, but if a dirt horse actually won it, that would be a massive embarrassment for the JRA — so they'd never let that happen.
    27AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:46
    Orfevre's probably still the best result Japan's ever had, right?
    31AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:47
    Re: #27
    Nakayama Festa (too)
    59AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:53
    Re: #27
    Orfevre finished second twice.
    28AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:46
    If Juryoku Piero had gone… there might've been a real shot — like with Orfevre as a 3-year-old filly.
    40AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:49
    Re: #28
    No way it survives air transport.
    33AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:48
    Bring a horse that actually suits the Arc's track for once.
    36AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:48
    Re: #33
    Recently, Through Seven Seas was well-suited to it.
    41AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:49
    Isn't it true lately they're not even running to win, just running to sell betting tickets?
    55AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:53
    Re: #41
    That's exactly why horses that have run the Arc recently can still perform decently in their next race. Back in the day they went there to actually win, so there was all this talk about the toll of overseas travel — but now it's just a lap around Europe, basically an overseas vacation.
    44AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:51
    Honestly, I think if they'd taken Oju Chosan there in his prime, he would've won.
    53AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:52
    Re: #44
    No chance — he doesn't have the finishing speed.
    62AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:54
    So bring a dirt horse already.
    97AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:01
    Re: #62
    I get that, but then American dirt horses — from the home of dirt racing — don't even show up there, so maybe Longchamp just doesn't work that way. Still, I do wonder how Forever Young ("Eva-Yan") would've done.
    110AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:03
    Re: #97
    If a horse with JRA earnings of just 7.2 million yen won the Arc, it'd get ripped apart even worse than El Condor Pasa did. Nobody wants that.
    71AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:56
    Re: #48
    I don't think continuing to challenge European racing counts as 'progress' anymore — it's basically a different sport at this point. It's like making Ohtani drill soccer to win the World Cup, or having Kubo take a thousand fungoes (baseball infield practice) to win the WBC.
    106AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    Re: #71
    That analogy is way off lol
    77AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:57
    El Condor Pasa really had the best shot of all. It's annoying that Ebina ended up winning it instead — if only he'd just won it clean back then.
    83AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:59
    Re: #77
    You mean Festa (Nakayama Festa).
    93AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:00
    This Croix horse that beat Daryz
    102AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    Re: #93
    It only survived by veering into others while running on fumes.
    103AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    If Orfevre had had Ikezoe aboard, he would've won back-to-back.
    105AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    Re: #103
    Even being generous, there's no way he wins the second one.
    107AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:02
    Re: #103
    He'd get thrown off if he won twice in a row.
    109AnonymousOct 5, 2026 00:03
    Re: #103
    Wasn't he torn apart by Treve anyway?

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    The Arc de Triomphe has a long history of Japanese horses falling agonizingly short — El Condor Pasa finished second in 1999, Nakayama Festa was runner-up in 2010, and Orfevre finished second in both 2012 and 2013. This time, with Meishou Tabaru finishing 14th and Admire Tera 11th — both well off the pace — the thread split between voices saying “there’s no point even trying anymore” and others arguing “every challenge builds up Japanese racing’s strength.” Underlying the debate is the point that Longchamp’s light turf and grinding, attrition-heavy ground suit a different kind of horse than those raised on Japan’s fast tracks, and in recent years some see entries as being more about selling betting tickets or overseas campaigns than actually chasing prize money. There’s also persistent talk of sending dirt-suited horses like Forever Young, though there’s resistance to the idea of a dirt horse winning the JRA’s flagship overseas showcase race — meaning this isn’t a simple question of which horses are “strong enough.”

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Horse Racing] Arc de Triomphe: Daryz Wins Back-to-Back! Japan’s Meishou Tabaru (ridden by Yutaka Take) Finishes 14th, Admire Tera 11th.”

  • Finance Guy Green With Envy Over YouTuber Tetsuya’s Mansion — 5ch: “Makes Working Hard Feel Pointless”

    After YouTuber Tetsuya built himself a mansion, a man working in finance posted on X (formerly Twitter): “I’m seriously jealous. It’s making me feel like busting my butt at a real job is pointless.” The post got picked up on 5ch’s Nanjo G board and sparked a debate. The core question: unlike salaried workers, is YouTuber or entrepreneur income really a reward for taking on risk? One camp argued that simply posting videos doesn’t earn you the right to that kind of payout, while the other insisted that succeeding in entertainment or business is itself the risk. The thread wandered into salarymen’s income ceilings and bureaucrats’ pay scales, but never reached a consensus — commenters couldn’t even agree on what “risk” means.

    So even winning-team elites get jealous of YouTubers?

    Source: x.com / Original post here

    3AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:43
    Gotta admit, Nobita's room was kind of nice. (Nobita, the perpetually broke kid from Doraemon)
    5AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:45
    Re: #3
    That one's scale is all messed up, so it's kind of a letdown.
    12AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:50
    No matter how hard a salaryman grinds, 20 million yen a year is the ceiling.
    And about half of that gets eaten up by taxes.
    21AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:57
    Re: #12
    Maybe bureaucrats are the exception — administrative vice-ministers can pull in like 40 million yen.
    15AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:53
    They fought through real risk to come out on top, so good for them.
    They're putting in the work too.
    23AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:58
    Re: #15
    Re: #16
    What risk, lol?
    He just uploaded videos to YouTube — that's not taking any risk at all.
    Come on, that logic doesn't hold up.
    16AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:54
    Easy for a risk-free employee to say…
    19AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:56
    What's some corporate drone (shachiku, slang for a company slave) living a cushy, risk-free life got to say about it?
    Making it in the entertainment world is no easy feat.
    24AnonymousOct 4, 2026 22:59
    Re: #19
    What exactly is the risk, specifically?
    30AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:01
    Re: #21
    For what it's worth, the Finance Ministry's administrative vice-minister apparently lives in what's basically a rabbit hutch (slang for a tiny, cramped house).
    32AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:01
    Re: #30
    That's just because it's Tokyo.
    33AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:01
    Pretty lame for an employee to be jealous of someone self-employed.
    36AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:02
    Re: #33
    Excuse me, it's us salarymen paying the taxes that keep Japan running.
    Nobody would even notice if YouTubers disappeared.
    37AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:03
    The self-employed can earn 10 times what an employee makes.
    But if the business fails, they risk being saddled with debt.
    Losers who bailed out of that bet don't even have the right to be jealous.
    43AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:04
    Re: #37
    What's risky about just posting on YouTube?
    So if I upload a video too, I'm taking a risk as well, huh?
    47AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:05
    Re: #43
    If you think you can make a living off that, go ahead and try.
    49AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:06
    Re: #43
    Exactly.
    Quit your job and give it a shot then.
    38AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:03
    Well, the whole idea that working hard and honest pays off is just a line fed to us to create more slaves who'll earn money on someone else's behalf…
    48AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:05
    Re: #48
    So then taking shady gig jobs (yami baito, slang for illegal gigs like scam-call recruitment) to make money,
    or becoming a yakuza to make money, whoever earns the most wins, right?
    So Japan's a country where working hard honestly is pointless?

    Guess I get it now.
    Maybe I should take a risk too, huh?
    97AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:17
    Re: #48
    Unfortunately, that's everyone's beloved capitalism for you.
    Calculating each kind of risk is left up to individual responsibility.
    For the record, I'm anti-capitalist though 🥺🟥
    64AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:08
    Capitalism: "Just get lucky and talented, and you can hog all the money."
    Isn't that rule seriously broken though?
    If this were a mobile gacha game, the devs would be slammed as trash management for sure.
    77AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:10
    Re: #64
    Letting lazy incompetents reap the same rewards would be an even more broken rule — this is just the slightly-less-terrible garbage rule we're stuck running on instead.
    78AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:11
    Re: #64
    Seriously, this.
    And the fact that you can earn more as a yakuza, a hangure (quasi-gang street thug), or in entertainment than by working an honest job is just a glitch in the system.
    80AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:11
    Isn't the private property system basically garbage?
    YouTubers just got lucky with talent and fortune, right? Yet they get to hog all that money — that's simply a loophole in the system.
    82AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:11
    Re: #80
    Then go do it yourself.
    92AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:14
    Re: #82
    I clearly have zero talent, so that's a no-go.
    Talent is something you're born with — meaning capitalism is a garbage rule where mere birth circumstances lock in massive wealth.
    94AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:15
    Re: #92
    Seriously, exactly.
    Working hard honestly just feels pointless.
    95AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:15
    Re: #92
    You never know though?
    You could give it a shot with nothing to lose.
    Maybe a rosy future is waiting for you instead of grinding away as a corporate drone in a crappy life.
    101AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:23
    So it's fine for business owners to rake in wildly more then?
    102AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:23
    Re: #101
    Then you should become a business owner too.
    111AnonymousOct 4, 2026 23:32
    Re: #101
    Sure, why not.
    Crappy companies can't even get employees to show up anymore anyway.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    What split opinion in the thread was how people defined “risk.” One side used the word to mean the possibility of ending up in debt from starting a business or investing, while the other saw no such debt risk in the mere act of posting videos — both sides kept using the same word with different meanings and talked past each other. Figures like “a salaryman’s income caps out around 20 million yen” or “even a vice-minister only makes 40 million yen” were simply impressions from individual posters, with no sources or statistics cited anywhere in the thread. They should be read strictly as the subjective going-rate assumptions of anonymous posters, nothing more. Criticism of how capitalism ties reward to talent and luck is a familiar topic these days, but the thread never dug into the structural debate, eventually settling into the circular “just go try it yourself” stalemate.

    *This article is composed as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Nanjo G board) thread “Finance company man: ‘I’m seriously jealous that YouTuber Tetsuya built a mansion. Makes working hard feel pointless’.”