Comedy duo Ogiyahagi’s Kaneyari Yahagi brought up, on his radio show, the conflict between Hiroshi and a camping-gear manufacturer over an original fire pit. Hiroshi claims he’d secured a promise that the product wouldn’t be sold, while the manufacturer says it kept selling to recoup the costs of prototyping and production. On 5ch, opinions are split over whether a contract existed and how the design concept should be treated.
Comedy duo Ogiyahagi (Kaneyari Yahagi and Hiroaki Ogi) appeared on TBS Radio’s “Thursday JUNK: Ogiyahagi’s Megane Biiki” (Thursdays at 1am), aired on the 20th. While discussing recent controversies involving fellow comedians, they touched on the dispute between Hiroshi and a manufacturer over an original camping fire pit.
Yahagi opened with, “I’ve kind of lost interest in these lately — divorces and all that. There’s been a bit of an incident with a comedian recently too. But if you say anything about an incident, people accuse you of defending them, right?” His comment highlighted how tricky it is to weigh in on celebrity controversies without being misread.
Hiroshi had revealed on his own X account the trouble that arose when he commissioned an original fire pit.
Source: news.livedoor.com / Original article here
If they'd just make up already and sell this thing, wouldn't it rake in a ton of money?
Re: #6
No idea if it'd actually sell, but leaving it to the manufacturer is probably for the best.
No idea if it'd actually sell, but leaving it to the manufacturer is probably for the best.
Re: #6
The manufacturer's just selling it on their own. Apparently it sold out instantly.
The manufacturer's just selling it on their own. Apparently it sold out instantly.
Re: #6
You really don't understand anything, do you.
Fire pits aren't exactly the kind of thing that sells like crazy, and Hiroshi doesn't have that kind of draw or popularity anyway.
This type made from a cut-open oil can is a matter of taste, and there's a huge variety of fire pits out there.
It'll sell modestly at best.
Besides, if open fires are allowed you don't even need a fire pit like this,
and veteran campers just build their own anyway.
You really don't understand anything, do you.
Fire pits aren't exactly the kind of thing that sells like crazy, and Hiroshi doesn't have that kind of draw or popularity anyway.
This type made from a cut-open oil can is a matter of taste, and there's a huge variety of fire pits out there.
It'll sell modestly at best.
Besides, if open fires are allowed you don't even need a fire pit like this,
and veteran campers just build their own anyway.
Personally, more than the rights issue, what bugs me is this: they were supposedly moving ahead on the understanding that they wouldn't make the same product, but then once it was finished they turned around and said they'd make it after all — isn't that a breach of contract? Isn't there any penalty for that?
Re: #27
They're a manufacturer that specializes in fire pits — if they couldn't make anything similar ever again, they'd have nothing left to sell…
They're a manufacturer that specializes in fire pits — if they couldn't make anything similar ever again, they'd have nothing left to sell…
Re: #27
Can't really say without seeing how the exchange actually went, including how it started out.
Can't really say without seeing how the exchange actually went, including how it started out.
Re: #27
What's being sold doesn't really look like the same thing though — they toned it down (made it "low-impact").
What's being sold doesn't really look like the same thing though — they toned it down (made it "low-impact").
Re: #32
That's not a reason to void the contract. If they didn't like it, they should've just stopped it right then and there.
That's not a reason to void the contract. If they didn't like it, they should've just stopped it right then and there.
Re: #42
"Void the contract" — if there was no mutual agreement, there was no contract to begin with, was there?
"Void the contract" — if there was no mutual agreement, there was no contract to begin with, was there?
Unless Hiroshi releases the original design, there's no way to judge how similar the manufacturer's finished product actually is.
Re: #44
Hiroshi's original design was held together with wire and would break almost instantly.
Waraz (the manufacturer, 笑's) came up with a never-before-seen mechanism using an 8mm metal rod instead.
This blew up because Hiroshi tried to claim it all as his own — the blueprints, the IP, everything.
Hiroshi's original design was held together with wire and would break almost instantly.
Waraz (the manufacturer, 笑's) came up with a never-before-seen mechanism using an 8mm metal rod instead.
This blew up because Hiroshi tried to claim it all as his own — the blueprints, the IP, everything.
Re: #44
Also, Hiroshi's original concept would have seriously damaged the ground underneath, so the manufacturer changed the position of the ash tray and the grate too. It's basically a different product at this point.
Also, Hiroshi's original concept would have seriously damaged the ground underneath, so the manufacturer changed the position of the ash tray and the grate too. It's basically a different product at this point.
Sounds like amateur Hiroshi brought in a prototype — the shape he had in mind, roughly mocked up with sheet metal and wire — and asked, "Can you make something like this?" The engineer running the company apparently said "sure, I can" right on the spot and jumped straight into design work without ever signing a contract — which is how the mismatched expectations over who'd actually sell it ended up happening down the line.
Re: #60
Makes you wonder whether sales were even discussed at the point the prototype was brought in.
Makes you wonder whether sales were even discussed at the point the prototype was brought in.
Re: #64
Hiroshi says he was told it would be sold, said he'd refuse in that case, got a promise it wouldn't be sold — and then it got sold anyway. Says he's frustrated, frustrated, so frustrated (lol). The manufacturer hasn't been able to counter this point at all.
Hiroshi says he was told it would be sold, said he'd refuse in that case, got a promise it wouldn't be sold — and then it got sold anyway. Says he's frustrated, frustrated, so frustrated (lol). The manufacturer hasn't been able to counter this point at all.
Re: #67
There's no real need for the manufacturer to defend itself over drawing up plans, producing, and selling a fire pit in the first place — I mean, a fire pit maker selling fire pits is just… normal, lol.
There's no real need for the manufacturer to defend itself over drawing up plans, producing, and selling a fire pit in the first place — I mean, a fire pit maker selling fire pits is just… normal, lol.
Re: #67
But the manufacturer is countering that they did tell him it would be sold.
But the manufacturer is countering that they did tell him it would be sold.
Re: #84
Hiroshi surely never agreed to that.
He wrote that he asked them to stop a total of four times,
and that in the end he clearly got a promise it wouldn't be sold — Hiroshi states this outright.
On that specific point — whether such a promise was made — the manufacturer hasn't offered any real rebuttal.
The manufacturer's version of events isn't automatically all correct.
Hiroshi surely never agreed to that.
He wrote that he asked them to stop a total of four times,
and that in the end he clearly got a promise it wouldn't be sold — Hiroshi states this outright.
On that specific point — whether such a promise was made — the manufacturer hasn't offered any real rebuttal.
The manufacturer's version of events isn't automatically all correct.
Re: #94
Wasn't it three times?
Wasn't it three times?
Re: #94
Then Hiroshi should've just drawn up the plans himself.
Then Hiroshi should've just drawn up the plans himself.
Honestly, a manufacturer that starts production before any contract is signed isn't too bright either —
just a shoddy operation from a tiny, small-time company, in the end.
just a shoddy operation from a tiny, small-time company, in the end.
Re: #106
Hiroshi's the one at fault here — going silent and cutting off contact without hashing out the details.
Hiroshi's the one at fault here — going silent and cutting off contact without hashing out the details.
Re: #106
This fire pit maker just made… a fire pit.
A perfectly ordinary one.
The fire pit maker drew up plans and produced it — that's all.
What exactly is the problem here, lol?
This fire pit maker just made… a fire pit.
A perfectly ordinary one.
The fire pit maker drew up plans and produced it — that's all.
What exactly is the problem here, lol?
Re: #106
Hiroshi's the one who never brought up the contract.
Hiroshi's the one who never brought up the contract.
Re: #116
Hiroshi's concept is baked into it though.
Hiroshi's concept is baked into it though.
Re: #121
There's no such thing.
Are you talking about some mold shaped like the name "Hiroshi" or something, lol?
This manufacturer doesn't sell anything that embarrassing.
There's no such thing.
Are you talking about some mold shaped like the name "Hiroshi" or something, lol?
This manufacturer doesn't sell anything that embarrassing.
Re: #121
Please spell out that "concept" specifically.
Please spell out that "concept" specifically.
There's no great idea or design here to speak of.
So why did the manufacturer insist on selling it anyway?
So why did the manufacturer insist on selling it anyway?
Re: #161
The fact that they spent over three months developing the product together is probably exactly why they're insisting on selling it. If they didn't sell it, that three-plus months of effort would just go to waste.
The fact that they spent over three months developing the product together is probably exactly why they're insisting on selling it. If they didn't sell it, that three-plus months of effort would just go to waste.
Re: #161
They drew up the plans, built the prototype, and after Hiroshi signed the order form, they ordered stock as a result — so now they've got inventory sitting there.
They drew up the plans, built the prototype, and after Hiroshi signed the order form, they ordered stock as a result — so now they've got inventory sitting there.
Re: #161
No matter how lame the design might be, engineering it and turning it into an actual product costs money — so of course they'd sell it to recoup that.
No matter how lame the design might be, engineering it and turning it into an actual product costs money — so of course they'd sell it to recoup that.
Re: #121
A "concept" carries no legal rights whatsoever, you know.
A "concept" carries no legal rights whatsoever, you know.
Re: #163
Even calling it "legal," it's still a rip-off, and that alone tanks their image.
Even calling it "legal," it's still a rip-off, and that alone tanks their image.
Re: #165
There wasn't even enough substance there to "rip off" in the first place.
If there were, he could just file a lawsuit.
He'd still lose, but sure, if it makes him feel better.
There wasn't even enough substance there to "rip off" in the first place.
If there were, he could just file a lawsuit.
He'd still lose, but sure, if it makes him feel better.
Re: #165
Speaking of image, honestly this whole thing seems to have won the manufacturer a lot of sympathy while Hiroshi's image has basically hit rock bottom…
Speaking of image, honestly this whole thing seems to have won the manufacturer a lot of sympathy while Hiroshi's image has basically hit rock bottom…
Well, it's kind of six of one, half a dozen of the other, but —
if what the manufacturer sold to recoup costs actually uses Hiroshi's idea,
then even if it's legally fine, it's only fair that Hiroshi calls them out on it.
If it doesn't use Hiroshi's idea at all, then Hiroshi's the one in the wrong.
if what the manufacturer sold to recoup costs actually uses Hiroshi's idea,
then even if it's legally fine, it's only fair that Hiroshi calls them out on it.
If it doesn't use Hiroshi's idea at all, then Hiroshi's the one in the wrong.
Re: #212
If it's legally fine, then it's fine.
If it's legally fine, then it's fine.
Re: #212
It's the concept. The manufacturer handled everything from the design onward — Hiroshi didn't put in a single word.
They probably just saw the sample, took a liking to it, and wanted to sell it.
It's the concept. The manufacturer handled everything from the design onward — Hiroshi didn't put in a single word.
They probably just saw the sample, took a liking to it, and wanted to sell it.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread 「Ogiyahagi’s Kaneyari Yahagi on the SNS firestorm over Hiroshi and the fire pit manufacturer’s dispute: “Who’s actually in the right here? I need at least one more back-and-forth to know.”」.
