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Published 8/18 (Tue) 7:00 AM

withnews by The Asahi Shimbun

Every time I meet up with friends, investing comes up. Scroll through social media and you’ll see posts like “I’m putting away tens of thousands of yen a month.” Maybe I’m missing out by not doing it too — but then again, just getting through each month isn’t exactly easy either.

Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

What people said

53AnonymousAug 18, 2026 16:57
40 years from now — the odds Japan even still exists, let alone that you're sitting pretty thanks to NISA gains, aren't even 50%, are they?
61AnonymousAug 18, 2026 16:58
Re: #53
Sounds like the type who'd say 'I won't get my pension anyway so why bother paying into it'
67AnonymousAug 18, 2026 16:59
Re: #53
If you really think Japan's going under, all the more reason to get your capital flight going
71AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:00
Re: #53
Unlike iDeCo, you can withdraw from this anytime
79AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:01
Bottom line, NISA's a service for the wealthy — regular folks straining themselves to get in on it is the real mistake
90AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:03
Re: #79
It only caps out at 18 million yen. NISA's a system for poor people, honestly — the allowance is nothing much. Most of my holdings are in a regular taxable account anyway
95AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:04
Re: #79
18 million yen is way too small for the truly wealthy. It's really just an allowance sized for ordinary people redirecting a chunk of the tens of thousands of yen a month they used to save for retirement. And if you can't even manage a few tens of thousands a month in retirement savings to begin with, you should be on welfare
128AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:10
Come to think of it, you rarely hear about old-money landowners living comfortably off rental income investing in NISA… Guess they just don't need to?
147AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:13
Re: #128
Probably because 18 million yen is chump change to the seriously rich? NISA's a tax-saving investment scheme for ordinary people
152AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:14
Re: #128
Or it's such small change to them they just don't bother mentioning it — probably doing it as a matter of course
153AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:14
Re: #147
Horiemon (entrepreneur Takafumi Horie) said the same — a good system, but not one he personally needs
165AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:17
Re: #153
Can that guy even hold assets under his own name? Seems like they'd get seized instantly
175AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:18
Re: #153
Can you actually carry forward a capital-loss deduction for that many years?
155AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:15
Feels like a lot of people aren't doing it, but come on, it's not like it makes you poor. My new NISA holdings are sitting on 6 million yen in unrealized gains. Everyone's making about that much lol
168AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:17
Re: #155
Well, conservatively speaking, it's probably grown at least 1.5x by now
173AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:18
Re: #155
I'm up more than 10x that, but I always tell people around me I'm barely scraping by. That's pretty much how it goes — nobody admits in real life that they do NISA or invest
167AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:17
The pension system isn't going to collapse. As long as you're alive, it pays back what you put in, in installments — whether you can live on that alone is up to you. It was always meant to be a supplementary system, but somehow everyone got brainwashed into 'can't live on pension alone → the whole system's broken'
185AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:20
Re: #167
You can live on pension alone, though. Most people are on the employee pension (kosei nenkin). Can't speak for the future, though
209AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:23
Re: #167
Have you never even looked at your pension statement?
176AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:18
Say a NISA account holder dies and nobody knows the account details or PIN — can anyone besides them withdraw the money?
188AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:20
Re: #176
It can be withdrawn, but the moment the person dies it should convert to the heir's designated account or a regular taxable account — the NISA tax-free allowance itself can't be inherited
214AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:23
Re: #188
So if the heir withdraws it, it's no longer tax-free and they get hit hard with taxes instead?
239AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:28
Re: #214
Hey, withdraw it without authorization and you're no longer considered an heir — that meets the disqualification requirements for inheritance, so it all goes straight to the national treasury
255AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:30
Re: #214
If you get cancer, you sell off your stocks bit by bit and cash them out in advance — same with bank deposits. Because once you're dead, inheritance tax takes a massive cut. Makes you wonder how Mr. Kiriya (the famous shareholder-perks investor) handles this…
190AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:20
'NISA-poor' is such a weird term. Mutual funds can be cashed out quickly, so it's not like you're actually poor. I'd get it if they said 'NISA-frugal' or 'NISA-austere,' but poor means genuinely having no money, doesn't it? You clearly have money. The hatred this country has for anyone trying to build up assets is next-level 😅
202AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:22
Re: #190
The mass media ('masugomi,' i.e. media garbage) are idiots lol
207AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:23
Re: #190
There used to be a term 'savings-poor' too — someone who prioritizes saving above everything, so their food and clothes end up shabby. Basically someone who gives up a rich, full life just to save
210AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:23
Talked about NISA at the Obon family gathering — the younger ones were all investing seriously, while the older generation didn't look too pleased about it
218AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:24
Re: #210
A lot of old folks still think stocks equal gambling
228AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:26
Re: #210
I mean, what good is an 18-million-yen allowance to old geezers at this point lol
221AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:25
Lost quite a bit myself — loaded up on Nissan at 1,000 yen, bought some Russian stocks too. The forced liquidation after 5 years with no ability to offset gains and losses was brutal on top of that
236AnonymousAug 18, 2026 17:27
Re: #221
Nissan at 1,000 yen, lol. Back then Nissan was THE go-to high-dividend stock

Background and Key Points

The new NISA (Nippon Individual Savings Account) is Japan’s tax-exempt investing scheme, modeled on Britain’s ISA and first launched in 2014, then overhauled in January 2024 into a permanent program with a lifetime investment cap of 18 million yen (about $120,000) — up to 12 million yen of which can go into the “growth” tier, with combined annual limits of 3.6 million yen. It was the centerpiece of the Kishida government’s push to move household savings into investment, in a country where cash and bank deposits still dominate household assets far more than in the US or UK. iDeCo, mentioned in the thread, is a separate individual pension scheme locked until age 60, unlike NISA’s anytime withdrawals.

The thread’s real fault line wasn’t whether to invest, but whether NISA counts as a program “for the rich” or “for ordinary people.” Posters pointed out that 18 million yen is trivial to genuinely wealthy households, making NISA a middle-class tax break rather than an elite shelter — which cuts against the framing implied by the term “NISA-poor” itself.

What outsiders are likely to miss is that “NISA-poor” (NISA貧乏) doesn’t mean destitute — it describes people who funnel so much monthly cash into hitting the contribution cap that everyday spending gets squeezed, echoing an older term, “savings-poor” (貯金貧乏). Also unmentioned but relevant: NISA’s tax-free status doesn’t transfer to heirs — assets convert to a taxable account on the holder’s death, which is why several posters discussed selling off holdings before dying to dodge Japan’s steep inheritance tax.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Why Does ‘NISA-Poor’ Happen? Started It for ‘Future Peace of Mind,’ But… Rethinking Our Relationship with Investing.”

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