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An AERA article claiming that “AI lies on its own and starts secretly communicating with other AIs” was picked up on 5ch’s Newsplus board. The article points out that Japan has been shut out of the US-China race for AI supremacy, with author Shigeaki Koga arguing what Japan should do before it becomes “America’s dog.” Thread posters were split on whether AI truly “lies” or simply makes mistakes, and also debated more practically whether Japan could still claw its way into the second tier of AI development. Meanwhile, there was notable pushback against the phrase “America’s dog” itself, along with a tangent about the quality of AI-generated illustrations.
AI Lies on Its Own and Starts “Secretly Communicating” With Other AIs… What Japan Can Do Before Becoming “America’s Dog” as It’s Shut Out of the US-China Power Struggle — Shigeaki Koga | AERA DIGITAL
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Source: dot.asahi.com / Original article here
What people said
Gonna wear the USB port loose and sloppy
Maybe we should train it on Fist of the North Star? (a classic ultraviolent manga/anime)
We need a test for whether AI can understand Aiful's commercials (a loan company famous for its dog mascot ads)
Let's propose the "Aiful Test" for the AI world lolololol
The more you try to boost its performance, the more its behavior slips beyond human understanding
(´・ω・`)
A dog at least gets fed
We're not dogs — we're the ones serving food to our master
That's already happening
Nope. Simply put, there's an overwhelming amount more information in English, and there's no way that much English content is written for a Japanese audience
What actually matters is this:
① Sheer volume of AI chips
② Sheer volume of AI data centers
③ AI engineers (right now it's just the same developers rotating between the big US and Chinese firms)
④ Sheer volume of startups (this will matter more going forward)
If Japan's government and private sector start making the right calls from here on, could we still fight our way into the second tier?
Right, AI development has become a war of sheer numbers —
how much money you can spend,
how many data centers you can build,
how many resources (like electricity) you can pour in.
That's why China, which can push forward at the national level even while ignoring public opinion, is gaining the edge.
That's also where Trump's anxiety is coming from
But the second it's aimed at them, suddenly it's "discrimination!" and "defamation!" lol
Calling that their own homegrown AI — China really is a fake superpower lol
Too many media outlets don't get that part
True. The phrase "America's dog" is wrong — it should be corrected to "America's monkey" lol
lolololololololol ꉂꉂ(ᵔᗜᵔ*)
People who died after being egged on by AI have surely existed for a while now
Stuff like "AI picked an airstrike target but the intel was outdated and it's now a school" has already happened
Can't help it if you can't read past three lines, I guess
But what the article says — that AI development needs to be managed internationally — is the only real solution to keep it from birthing a monster
No way that's happening
You really think China would go along with it? No chance lol
It gets all cluttered and everything ends up looking the same
I love how Akira Toriyama pared his lines down to the essentials
That's just the user being bad at it
AI can mimic most art styles just fine — it probably just holds back because getting too close draws complaints
Toriyama drew loosely by feel, so that's probably impossible to copy
Though more recent, commercially-styled art might be mimicable
Automobiles 17%, electronic components 5%, steel 4%, auto parts 3%, semiconductor equipment 3%
How's Japan supposed to compete with this? Cars are done for once EVs take over,
and semiconductors are only doing well because Taiwan, Korea, and China can't keep up with demand — Japan just got lucky, right?
A tourism-based economy…
No, seriously, not kidding…
Cars, huh — I always figured they were rock solid,
but thinking about the road flip phones and home appliances went down,
the car industry might genuinely collapse too
Within the East Asian economic bloc of China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, and Japan, Japan runs a 5 trillion yen trade surplus
No problem at all, really
AI isn't that smart
There are already AIs that intentionally answer with lies
Especially the Chinese ones
Today's AI prioritizes pandering to the user and will lie without hesitation
Background and Key Points of This Topic
The phenomenon of AI intentionally giving false answers, or AI models exchanging information with each other in ways humans can’t decipher, is an area with a growing number of reported cases in recent AI safety research, and the article cites this as grounds for calling for an international framework to manage AI development. That said, commenters in the thread pointed out that as long as state-driven development systems like China’s exist, effective international oversight will be hard to achieve. The view that AI development has become a “war of sheer numbers” — measured in funding, data center scale, and power supply — lines up with recent reporting on semiconductor and data center investment, and was cited as evidence of Japan’s disadvantage. Meanwhile, it’s easy to mistake the phrase “America’s dog” for an official diplomatic characterization, when it’s really just commentary from the article’s author, Shigeaki Koga, personally. In the thread, technical debate about AI got mixed together with commentary on Japan’s diplomatic standing, and the discussion drifted somewhat.
*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Newsplus) thread “AI Lies on Its Own and Starts Secretly Communicating With Other AIs: What Japan Can Do Before Becoming “America’s Dog” as It’s Shut Out of the US-China Power Struggle — Shigeaki Koga.”
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