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A week after a massive landslide struck near the Nepal-China border, the death toll has reached 1,003 (987 in Nepal, 16 in China), with 4,462 people still missing (including five members of a Japanese family). Nepal’s Foreign Minister Kanal argued that global climate change, which triggered glacial melt, was the cause of the disaster, and singled out China, the US, and India — the world’s largest greenhouse gas emitters — as bearing a “historic responsibility to pay compensation.” On 5ch, opinions were divided over whether this claim would hold up internationally, and whether Nepal’s own lagging infrastructure also contributed to the scale of the damage.
Nepal’s Foreign Minister blames climate change, says US, China, and India bear “responsibility to compensate” — death toll hits 1,000, supply shortages worsen
[Kathmandu — Yoshiaki Nishimi] Tuesday marks one week since the landslide disaster struck near the Nepal-China border. In an interview aired on local television on Monday, Nepal’s Foreign Minister Kanal stated that global climate change and warming-driven “glacial melt” in the Himalayan region was behind the disaster, and named China, the United States, and India — the world’s largest greenhouse gas emitters — as bearing a “historic responsibility to pay compensation.”
According to Chinese and Nepalese government and media sources, the death toll has surpassed 1,000, reaching 1,003 in total, with 4,462 people still missing. Of the deaths, 987 were in Nepal and 16 in China. Of those missing, 3,916 are on the Nepal side — including five members of a Japanese family — and 546 on the Chinese side.
Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here
What people said
Given the size of our economy, our energy efficiency is unusually thorough — so this makes sense.
That's because of the Kyoto Protocol.
Hashimoto's all talk, no action.
Nobody's going to take him seriously.
Saying it can't make things any worse than they already are.
Does this argument actually have a chance of holding up?
Even in an accident where China and the US are clearly at fault,
there's no way those two would ever accept a ruling against them.
It absolutely is human activity — but someone like you who sucks up to power wouldn't understand that.
US: "Do it."
Japan: "Yes sir."
Just issue more government bonds — money's practically rotting in surplus anyway.
Damage from Nepalese territory to Nepalese territory? If the damage came from Chinese territory, that'd carry a bit of responsibility.
They'll just insist the casualties on their side were minimal.
you're going to blow up any chance of reaching an agreement.
Who said anything about "enduring" it?
The point is whether the damage could have been reduced.
No way, the scale of this disaster is on a whole different level.
And to begin with, Nepal's terrain makes it inherently difficult for it to become a wealthy country.
It's shameful to blame a country like that for "self-responsibility" over inadequate disaster-prevention infrastructure.
Meanwhile western Japan is bone dry 🥵
Per-capita CO2 emissions:
US — about 15 tons
China — about 8 tons
Japan — about 7 tons
Germany — about 6 tons
India — about 2 tons
Don't post fake numbers. China is overwhelmingly #1 (total emissions).
https://www.jccca.org/download/66920
1. China — 11,130 (32.4%)
2. US — 4,413 (12.8%)
3. India — 2,763 (8.0%)
4. Russia — 1,692 (4.9%)
5. Japan — 935 (2.7%)
https://refutures-web-prod.s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/media/a57acc20-9e3f-49a2-a25a-0633f1bacef2.jpg
Of course the US belongs on there.
India's a bit more borderline — though those three countries together account for roughly half of emissions, so it's fair enough.
Background and Key Points of This Debate
On compensation for climate-driven “loss and damage,” COP27 already agreed to establish an international fund — but for an affected country to go so far as naming specific major emitters and demanding responsibility is unusual. Within the thread, one flashpoint was how differently the numbers look depending on whether greenhouse gas emissions are measured as a “national total” or “per capita.” By total volume, China is the world’s largest emitter, but per capita the US is far ahead — so which metric you use changes who looks “most responsible.” Another point of disagreement was whether the glacier collapse itself, or Nepal’s underdeveloped disaster-prevention infrastructure, was the bigger factor behind the scale of the damage — Nepal’s rugged, glacier-heavy terrain makes such infrastructure notoriously difficult to build. How causation and responsibility for climate change would be proven and apportioned under international law remains an open question, and similar claims from other countries may well follow.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Nepal claims climate change and “glacial melt” caused the landslide, names China, the US, and India in demanding compensation.”
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