A pitching WAR ranking posted on a 5ch live-discussion board sparked buzz after it showed Shohei Ohtani sitting at 26th (3.0) — trailing not only league-leading Misiorowski (5.5) but also fellow DH-only player Alvarez.
The thread split over whether continuing the two-way career still makes sense, given Ohtani currently falls short of the qualifying threshold in both hitting and pitching, with talk spilling over into his run of consecutive 30-homer seasons alongside players like Schwarber, and the state of his knee.
Pitcher WAR
1st: Misiorowski 5.5
26th: Ohtani 3.0
1st: Misiorowski 5.5
26th: Ohtani 3.0
Guess he's lost to Alvarez in WAR too, even though they're both DH-only guys
What's so great about this 'Pika' guy anyway? (nickname, apparently for the player just mentioned)
>>8
Hits more home runs than Ohtani, runs better than Ohtani, and fields better than Ohtani
Hits more home runs than Ohtani, runs better than Ohtani, and fields better than Ohtani
>>8
Honestly, pretty much everything, no joke
Honestly, pretty much everything, no joke
So what does it even take to hit 30 homers with a 9.300 OPS and still end up with a WAR only in the 4s?
>>19
He folds in clutch situations
He folds in clutch situations
See? This proves it once and for all.
Going two-way lowers your WAR.
Even back in 2022, when he qualified in both hitting and pitching, his WAR was lower than usual that year.
His career high also came in a DH-only season.
Two-way baseball is completely worthless and pointless — it just racks up injuries
Going two-way lowers your WAR.
Even back in 2022, when he qualified in both hitting and pitching, his WAR was lower than usual that year.
His career high also came in a DH-only season.
Two-way baseball is completely worthless and pointless — it just racks up injuries
>>21
The faithful love to fantasize and just add the numbers together, but two-way play really just debuffs both sides
The faithful love to fantasize and just add the numbers together, but two-way play really just debuffs both sides
>>21
Babe Ruth proved that a hundred years ago
Babe Ruth proved that a hundred years ago
Why did he suddenly wash up like this?
It happened all at once
It happened all at once
>>32
It's the knee… he ran too much during his 50-50 season
It's the knee… he ran too much during his 50-50 season
If the WAR's the same either way, doing it as a two-way player is still more impressive, right?
Even a bit lower, two-way is still amazing
Even a bit lower, two-way is still amazing
>>36
He's just doing something absurdly roundabout to achieve what he could do the normal way — it's wasted effort
It's like taking a 100 km/h detour to arrive in the same 10 minutes you'd get just driving straight there at 60 km/h. Pointless
He's just doing something absurdly roundabout to achieve what he could do the normal way — it's wasted effort
It's like taking a 100 km/h detour to arrive in the same 10 minutes you'd get just driving straight there at 60 km/h. Pointless
>>48
lol, that's a surprisingly clear analogy
lol, that's a surprisingly clear analogy
>>48
So you don't rate utility players either then?
So you don't rate utility players either then?
And he's still got 8 wins on the mound
>>40
Say that to Yamamoto's face
Say that to Yamamoto's face
Let's take a moment here to check in on Aaron Judge — the guy people used to bash Ohtani with — and his stats this season
AVG .248 17 HR 38 RBI OPS .907 (hasn't reached the qualifying threshold)
AVG .248 17 HR 38 RBI OPS .907 (hasn't reached the qualifying threshold)
>>41
He's just been out hurt for like 3 months now, newbie (ニワカ, i.e. a casual/bandwagon fan)
He's just been out hurt for like 3 months now, newbie (ニワカ, i.e. a casual/bandwagon fan)
He's so weak against scrubs (雑魚専, i.e. padding stats against weak competition) that it's almost sad watching people desperately push the fact his OPS is only a hair higher than PCA's
>>53
PCA (Pete Crow-Armstrong) has played a full season and still has the higher wRC+, so Ohtani's flat-out losing on offense too
PCA's defense — historically great, even though some call it overrated — grades out about even with roughly 80 innings of Ohtani's pitching by the metrics
And on the bases, PCA blows him away completely
PCA (Pete Crow-Armstrong) has played a full season and still has the higher wRC+, so Ohtani's flat-out losing on offense too
PCA's defense — historically great, even though some call it overrated — grades out about even with roughly 80 innings of Ohtani's pitching by the metrics
And on the bases, PCA blows him away completely
MLB: 'Six straight 30-homer seasons — among active players, only Shohei Ohtani and Schwarber have done it.'
Is this guy a god or something?
Is this guy a god or something?
>>59
There's about to be a third
There's about to be a third
By the way, here's Cal Raleigh's line this season (as of 8/22)
AVG: .157
HR: 14
RBI: 47
OPS: .577
AVG: .157
HR: 14
RBI: 47
OPS: .577
>>60
Unlike Judge, who's just hurt, this is genuinely brutal
Unlike Judge, who's just hurt, this is genuinely brutal
His batting-only WAR in 2024 was 9.2, and even that might lose to PCA's this year, no?
>>77
Well, getting that while playing DH is basically a miracle in itself
Well, getting that while playing DH is basically a miracle in itself
Does Ohtani's DH defensive penalty get offset by his pitching value?
>>78
Whether he's pitching or not, he's standing in as the DH at the plate, so there's no way it would be offset
Whether he's pitching or not, he's standing in as the DH at the plate, so there's no way it would be offset
If he steps up in the postseason this year and becomes the key man in a three-peat, that's worth more than an MVP, right?
>>79
After watching how last year went, only the true believers are still expecting that — plus he doesn't look like he'll even be able to pitch, and I can't picture him hitting any better than he has all season either
After watching how last year went, only the true believers are still expecting that — plus he doesn't look like he'll even be able to pitch, and I can't picture him hitting any better than he has all season either
It's kind of sad how he's been desperately padding his stats with stolen bases lately
>>96
He's desperate enough to just ignore his own 'bad knee' storyline
He's desperate enough to just ignore his own 'bad knee' storyline
I want someone willing to risk getting banned to just ask Ohtani straight up, 'Why don't you just play position player full-time?'
>>100
You don't even need to ask that — it's just because he can't
You don't even need to ask that — it's just because he can't
*This article is compiled as excerpts and a summary from the 5ch (Live Coverage G) thread “[Sad News] Shohei Ohtani Now Completely Out of the Running for Both the Cy Young and MVP lolololololololololololololololololol.”
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