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The story
A video showing a bear that kept charging even after being shot with a 9mm pistol — and was only stopped by a shotgun loaded with less-lethal rounds — sparked a debate on 5ch’s “Nandemo Jikkyo G” board over whether the common wisdom that “guns can’t stop a bear” is actually true. Posters were split on whether caliber/penetration or raw damage is more effective at stopping a large animal like a bear, and the discussion even expanded to the stopping power of AK-47s used by elephant poachers in Africa.
What people said
Aren't you getting that mixed up with the tranquilizer-gun story — like it didn't penetrate because of molting fur or something lol (also, nice one turning "mix-up" into a "condom" pun there)
What are you supposed to do if the gun doesn't stop it?
There was a video before where a bear kept lunging even after taking a full mag from a handgun.
It's probably a size issue.
A hit to the torso gets blocked by the thick fur and fat.
But a direct hit to the eyes, ears, or brow will drop it in one shot.
If it's an adult bear, it'll keep coming even after a shotgun blast takes its head off.
since it barely even kills humans.
No chance.
A gun with that short a barrel and that tiny a round wouldn't even kill a rabbit.
Because it's a shotgun loaded with less-lethal rounds. In the original video you can see "less-lethal" printed right on the shotgun.
Probably because it's a pump-action, right? Can't fire rapidly with that.
It's got enough power to stop a charge, though.
That looks like it worked great, though.
There are still cops out there who believe the .45 myth and carry one, so I guess it gives them a sense of security.
Guess it comes down to the round.
Placement matters too.
.38 Special and 9mm Parabellum pack pretty different amounts of power.
Well, the AK's round alone packs seriously high power, so you probably shouldn't lump it in with your average gun. That's exactly why it's still in service today.
which one's actually better, I wonder?
Are you dumb? Penetration, obviously. Leaving the bullet inside doesn't kill it (５６す is leetspeak for "kill," used to dodge word filters), it just makes treatment harder.
W-w-wait, an assault wwwwwwwww rifle wwwwwwwwww?!
Using an assault wwwwwwwww rifle wwwwwwwwww to cull bears?! wwwwwwwww?!?! wwwwwwwwwwww ("www" is Japanese internet laughter, like a string of "lol"s)
I think it was about the skull being so hard and thick that bullets ricochet off it.
Even with humans, there are cases where a bad hit sends the bullet skating around the skull and out the other side instead of penetrating, so it's not that unusual.
Background and key points of this debate
Less-lethal rounds are designed not to kill but to stop an animal’s movement through pain and blunt impact; because they spread their impact over a wider area and concentrate kinetic energy at the surface, they can be more effective at halting a large animal’s charge than a penetrating pistol round. Pistol rounds, by contrast, tend to disperse their impact even when they do penetrate, often making them insufficient to stop the charging force of a bear weighing over 100kg. The idea that “.45 caliber hits harder than 9mm” was long believed within the U.S. military and police organizations, but recent ballistic research mostly holds that there’s no significant difference in stopping power between the two — meaning the thread’s claim that “the .45 caliber myth is just a fantasy” is close to the truth. This difference in energy transfer is also why shotguns and bear spray, rather than handguns, are generally recommended for bear defense.
*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Bear-san vs. 9mm Handgun wwwwwwwww wwwwwwwww wwwwwwwww wwwwwwwww.”
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