A thread titled “I think material desire is what drives people out of NEET life” took off on 5ch’s “Nandemo Jikkyo G” (Anything-Goes Live) board. Some posters said they started working because they wanted games or other things, while others pointed to the need for approval, the drive to reach FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) for peace of mind, or simply the desire to become somebody — the takeaway being that everyone’s motivation to work is different.
There were also some tough takes: a sense of crisis alone won’t change a person — without desire welling up from inside, there’s no escaping NEET life.
Same here.
Companies that don't do interviews.
>>4
You look for ways to make your own wishes come true.
You look for ways to make your own wishes come true.
>>4
A company with no interviews is scary, if anything. Without any screening you just end up surrounded by weirdos and nothing gets done — nothing but stress.
A company with no interviews is scary, if anything. Without any screening you just end up surrounded by weirdos and nothing gets done — nothing but stress.
>>4
If you can't even get through an interview, you're not cut out to be an employee.
If you can't even get through an interview, you're not cut out to be an employee.
If you want to escape NEET life
I think the trick is to make it impossible to stay a NEET
like not feeding them.
I think the trick is to make it impossible to stay a NEET
like not feeding them.
>>6
I don't think that really works.
It's a completely different kind of drive from desire that comes from within.
I don't think that really works.
It's a completely different kind of drive from desire that comes from within.
>>6
Plenty of people end up kicked out of the house that way and then arrested for dine-and-dash instead.
Plenty of people end up kicked out of the house that way and then arrested for dine-and-dash instead.
Isn't it people with too much material desire who end up doing "yami baito" (shady, often illegal gig-work scams)?
>>10
Those people aren't even on the same level as NEETs.
Those people aren't even on the same level as NEETs.
Once you get into fashion as a student and start caring about your appearance,
you realize it costs way more than you'd think, and you understand you have to work just to keep it up.
you realize it costs way more than you'd think, and you understand you have to work just to keep it up.
>>11
Whether you actually went out and had fun as a student makes a big difference.
Wanting to do this and that tends to require a lot of money.
Whether you actually went out and had fun as a student makes a big difference.
Wanting to do this and that tends to require a lot of money.
I don't have material desire, but I had a strong desire to become somebody, and that's what got me out.
>>22
That's a form of desire too.
That's a form of desire too.
There are shut-ins who wasted away and died after their parents passed, and shut-ins who ended up homeless and were taken into protective custody after their parents died.
The idea that a life-threatening crisis automatically makes the power to work spring up inside you is pure fantasy.
The idea that a life-threatening crisis automatically makes the power to work spring up inside you is pure fantasy.
>>25
Exactly.
At the end of the day, a NEET is someone who's already fallen once — without something coming from inside themselves, nothing's going to change.
Exactly.
At the end of the day, a NEET is someone who's already fallen once — without something coming from inside themselves, nothing's going to change.
>>25
Sounds to me like the parents just spoiled them too much.
You can't do a job without ever having experienced one —
you push through the hard parts and it gradually gets easier.
It's the environment's fault for spoiling them so much that quitting became an easy way out.
There's no paradise waiting at the end of running away forever.
Sounds to me like the parents just spoiled them too much.
You can't do a job without ever having experienced one —
you push through the hard parts and it gradually gets easier.
It's the environment's fault for spoiling them so much that quitting became an easy way out.
There's no paradise waiting at the end of running away forever.
Come to think of it, manga, anime, games, and streaming are basically the root of all evil churning out NEETs.
These days even the official versions are often free to try.
These days even the official versions are often free to try.
>>26
I think that's real.
More and more idiots these days are satisfied just killing time without spending any money.
I think that's real.
More and more idiots these days are satisfied just killing time without spending any money.
I've got so little material desire I could live on 100,000 yen a month, but I work anyway because I want to hit Lean FIRE.
>>30
That's a form of desire too.
Working now so you can take it easy sooner — isn't that admirable?
That's a form of desire too.
Working now so you can take it easy sooner — isn't that admirable?
NEETs have a low need for approval, so they don't have much material desire either.
>>31
I don't have a need for approval either, but I love gadgets, so I want to work, earn money, and buy all kinds of stuff.
That's why I go out, work, and buy things with the money I earn.
I don't have a need for approval either, but I love gadgets, so I want to work, earn money, and buy all kinds of stuff.
That's why I go out, work, and buy things with the money I earn.
>>34
You end up realizing you just like this or that feature of a gadget — you don't actually need the gadget itself.
You end up realizing you just like this or that feature of a gadget — you don't actually need the gadget itself.
>>34
Take it further and you start abstracting into questions like "what is functional beauty" or "what is consciousness," and the gadget itself stops mattering at all.
Take it further and you start abstracting into questions like "what is functional beauty" or "what is consciousness," and the gadget itself stops mattering at all.
Also, when your life is idle and low on stimulation, your thinking gets more abstract and you stop caring about material things.
>>35
I wanted stimulation so badly that I craved new things —
that's part of why I'm working.
I wanted stimulation so badly that I craved new things —
that's part of why I'm working.
What do people who work regular jobs think of those who earn more for less effort than them?
>>54
There are just people like that, that's all.
That's the difference between me and NEETs who justify not working by constantly comparing themselves to others.
There are just people like that, that's all.
That's the difference between me and NEETs who justify not working by constantly comparing themselves to others.
>>54
Just because someone else earns more with less effort than me doesn't mean I get to skip working.
Higher-paying jobs come with heavier responsibility to match, so I think it matters more whether you've found an environment that suits you.
Just because someone else earns more with less effort than me doesn't mean I get to skip working.
Higher-paying jobs come with heavier responsibility to match, so I think it matters more whether you've found an environment that suits you.
>>54
You're working for the things you want — what does it have to do with anyone else?
You're working for the things you want — what does it have to do with anyone else?
From there I start thinking I have no talent for earning money, so I should live with less material desire — but if you can still believe in your own money-earning talent even after comparing yourself to others, why is that?
>>72
What are you even saying?
What are you even saying?
>>73
No, like — you've seen cases where someone with lower academic ability tries hard but their grades don't improve, so they lose motivation to study, right?
I sometimes wonder whether people who aren't cut out for earning money should even have material desire in the first place.
Something like — it's better not to make what you're not good at your own measure of value.
No, like — you've seen cases where someone with lower academic ability tries hard but their grades don't improve, so they lose motivation to study, right?
I sometimes wonder whether people who aren't cut out for earning money should even have material desire in the first place.
Something like — it's better not to make what you're not good at your own measure of value.
>>82
So what even is "talent for earning money" in the first place?
You can just work a normal job as an employee.
Nobody said you have to satisfy material desires beyond your means.
So what even is "talent for earning money" in the first place?
You can just work a normal job as an employee.
Nobody said you have to satisfy material desires beyond your means.
By >>82's standard, how much would you need to make a month to count as having talent for earning money?
I've got no material desire and don't want to work,
so I'm putting almost my entire paycheck into investments and aiming for FIRE.
so I'm putting almost my entire paycheck into investments and aiming for FIRE.
>>84
Earning enough through investing right now to get through the rest of your life without working —
that's a move steeped in material desire, backed by solid calculations of what the rest of your life will cost.
Earning enough through investing right now to get through the rest of your life without working —
that's a move steeped in material desire, backed by solid calculations of what the rest of your life will cost.
>>92
Would you really call that material desire? I feel like material desire is specifically about wanting things.
What >>84 has is more like a desire to take it easy, maybe.
Would you really call that material desire? I feel like material desire is specifically about wanting things.
What >>84 has is more like a desire to take it easy, maybe.
>>86
I don't really get what "material desire that fits your means" means,
but if that means just a bare-minimum standard of living,
then in some cases the motivation to work disappears too.
>>88
It's not a hard number I have in mind, but for me —
something like earning 100,000 yen a month through struggle so intense you can't focus on anything else, never getting used to the job, and that situation never changing —
that's when I'd say someone has no talent for earning money.
I don't really get what "material desire that fits your means" means,
but if that means just a bare-minimum standard of living,
then in some cases the motivation to work disappears too.
>>88
It's not a hard number I have in mind, but for me —
something like earning 100,000 yen a month through struggle so intense you can't focus on anything else, never getting used to the job, and that situation never changing —
that's when I'd say someone has no talent for earning money.
>>96
Isn't that just a sign the job itself isn't a good fit?
Isn't that just a sign the job itself isn't a good fit?
>>96
Same opinion as >>97.
There are a huge number of different jobs just among employee positions, so it'd be better to switch jobs.
Same opinion as >>97.
There are a huge number of different jobs just among employee positions, so it'd be better to switch jobs.
*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “I Think Material Desire Is What Drives People Out of NEET Life.”
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