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  • Backlash Mounts Against “Dragon Ball Is the Greatest Manga” Claim — 5ch Erupts in One Piece Comparison Debate

    On 5ch’s News VIP board, a thread starter’s flat declaration that “Dragon Ball is the greatest manga” drew fierce pushback from One Piece fans.

    The debate expanded into a full comparison of the two series — foreshadowing, thematic depth, how each portrays its cast of companions — before spiraling into an unresolved argument over what “greatest manga” even means.

    1AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:03
    Has this freak never read anything besides Dragon Ball?
    15AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:10
    And Gundam or One Piece fans would never say something this arrogant
    26AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:14
    Re: #15
    It's not that One Piece fans won't say it — they can't say it.
    Chidori couldn't exactly say "we're the top" in front of Downtown, right? (comedy duo analogy: a junior act can't claim to outrank a legendary senior one)

    Gundam isn't even manga to begin with, plus it's a different category — those fans probably think they're already the top of the robot genre anyway.
    35AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:22
    Re: #26
    No, the point is: if you're gonna call it the greatest manga, back it up with an actual explanation.
    "It's popular" alone doesn't cut it — that's no different from Demon Slayer.
    You need substance to talk about, like people can with One Piece.
    38AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:26
    Re: #26
    For what it's worth, I can flatly say One Piece is better than Dragon Ball.
    And I can actually explain why.
    20AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:12
    It's lesser than Gundam or Pokémon, sure, but the sheer density of the content is real.
    You could talk for hours about nothing but the side-branch Carddass trading cards.
    21AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:12
    I'm an otaku so I've devoured all kinds of manga, and I still think Dragon Ball is supreme.
    Plus, even Tezuka praised it (Osamu Tezuka, the "god of manga").
    23AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:13
    Re: #21
    Weak, weak~ ♡ (a mocking taunt — "zako zako," meaning "weakling, weakling")
    24AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:13
    Re: #20
    Re: #21
    It's just people punching each other, isn't it?
    What do you even mean by "high density"?
    42AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:32
    Re: #38
    Oh! That's interesting! Go ahead and explain it!
    46AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:34
    Re: #42
    For one, it doesn't have random, aimless power inflation.
    And the worldbuilding never falls apart.
    49AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:35
    Re: #46
    Oh, okay then…
    54AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:38
    Re: #49
    It introduced real, proper foreshadowing for a shonen manga.
    Monkey D. Luffy
    Gold Roger
    ↓
    Gol D. Roger (Volume 17)
    55AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:40
    Re: #49
    What's that supposed to mean?
    "Oh, okay then" — that's no different from a Demon Slayer fan.
    59AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:44
    Re: #55
    I'm asking what's actually amazing about One Piece, and when you answer with stuff like Re: #46 or Re: #54 — things basically every manga does — of course all you get back is a reaction like Re: #49.
    67AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:49
    Also, it actually has real thematic depth.
    It's impressive that a top-tier hit shonen manga takes on the topic of discrimination and actually sees it through to a resolution.


    68AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:50
    Re: #59
    Dragon Ball doesn't do that, sure, but it's basically the textbook example of power inflation to begin with.
    73AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:55
    Re: #67
    Umm… could you try to understand Re: #68?
    Every manga develops its own original story — if it did the same thing as some other work, that would literally be called plagiarism.
    One Piece, like every other manga, develops its own unique story, so being told "that's amazing" about something every other manga does as a matter of course doesn't actually make One Piece amazing.
    139AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:05
    Re: #88
    Dragon Ball couldn't pull this off, could it?
    Same goes for Re: #67, too.
    82AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:03
    Does One Piece even have foreshadowing?
    Isn't it just stuff like "actually, this is what was really going on" or "actually, he had an older brother" — the same kind of thing Dragon Ball did with the Red Ribbon Army or the Gero father-son reveal?
    88AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:07
    Re: #82
    https://wakatake.zashiki.com/wj/wj506btaiyo.html
    Check this out — you can see it was tackling discrimination from quite early on.
    Side note:
    Arlong suddenly flying into a rage, shouting about it almost like he'd personally "been discriminated against."
    158AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:26
    Re: #154
    > But hey, as he got older, he probably got embarrassed about spending his life drawing childish shonen manga
    Look at Re: #88 and 89 — you can see it's been handled since volume 6.

    So? What about Dragon Ball?
    Did it just keep doing Anpanman-style slugfests all the way to the finale?
    Weren't you the one saying "One Piece is shallow"?
    Where's that "greatest manga" now?
    89AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:08
    Re: #82
    Buggy, Kuro, and Krieg all treated their own crews like garbage, yet Arlong has this bizarrely strong sense of loyalty to his crew (almost like he'd been on the receiving end of discrimination).
    90AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:09
    Re: #82
    The Arlong Pirates covering up their World Noble branding with a sun mark.
    And Nami, the one member of the Arlong crew, has a tattoo that looks like her path was completely different from the rest of them.

    94AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:12
    What's good about Dragon Ball is that it has no agenda and doesn't try to make you cry.

    No agenda means: an absolute evil shows up, everyone unconditionally agrees it's evil and has to be beaten — that's it.
    Not trying to make you cry is exactly what it sounds like.

    Now compare that to One Piece.

    A nation from 800 years ago, criticism of the World Government running the current world, gods, the World Nobles — are they running some kind of sketchy religion over there or what?
    98AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:21
    Re: #94
    It does the whole "kill a character for emotional impact" thing though.
    Total tearjerker bait.
    106AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:36
    Re: #98
    Dragon Ball takes that and throws in the thrilling Gohan-awakening attack — and when Gohan comes up short and looks like he's about to die, it keeps the thrill going with Goku's arrival.

    Meanwhile, One Piece, come on —

    Bell-mère dies and it's "BELL-MÈRE-SAAAAAN!!!"
    Vivi begs "please stop the war!" and Nami's on the verge of tears going "you all, stop this war!"
    120AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:47
    Re: #115
    Are you serious right now?
    Stuff like Re: #98, or Vegeta's "excess fat" line —
    I remember thinking "what a one-trick-pony writer!" at those.
    Where does One Piece even come into this?
    109AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:39
    It's a'ight, we can bring him back with the Dragon Balls (Goku's signature line, in his rustic accent)
    110AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:40
    Re: #109
    Piccolo's death was a thrilling development too, since it meant the Dragon Balls would disappear along with him.
    117AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:45
    Re: #110
    But in the end it just gets solved with the Dragon Balls anyway, right?

    I mean, I do think Dragon Ball is a fun manga, but if it were being serialized today, I don't think it would've gotten anywhere near this popular.
    118AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:46
    Re: #117
    Never mind that, eat up while you can!
    121AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:48
    Re: #117
    How the Dragon Balls get used is part of the appeal too, you know.
    113AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:42
    Re: #106
    So what's your point?
    "Thrilling development" is something literally any manga artist does.
    More importantly, "using someone's death as emotional fuel" —
    a manga that does that isn't the greatest manga.
    It's a one-trick pony to begin with, and honestly, kind of tasteless.
    115AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:44
    Re: #113
    What's gotten into you, suddenly trash-talking One Piece?
    119AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:47
    Re: #113
    Lol, that's a technique One Piece uses plenty too.
    123AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:49
    Re: #120
    Pell, was it? The bird that dies — using a death as emotional fuel, exactly like that.
    125AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:52
    Re: #123
    He's not even dead.
    And you call that "doing it plenty" lol
    126AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:53
    Re: #125
    Bell-mère, for one.
    127AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:53
    Re: #125
    Playing it up like a total death, then "actually he was alive after all!" — that's a total buzzkill lol
    143AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:08
    Re: #141
    This whole time you've been calling One Piece shallow, and now you're switching to "simple is best!"?
    Try seeing it from my side for once.
    168AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:39
    Take Naruto, for instance.

    It tackled the idea that revenge breeds more revenge, an endless chain with no real solution — and while it couldn't offer a clear answer, it was a work that posed that question to its readers.

    Now, how about One Piece by comparison?

    Is it even trying to tackle that kind of problem?
    No — One Piece only ever brushes the surface, leaves readers with some tidy platitude, and calls it done.

    Well, setting aside whether a socially-conscious work like Naruto is good or bad,
    it's nothing like One Piece.
    170AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:41
    Re: #168
    We're talking about Dragon Ball here.
    Don't go changing the subject.
    173AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:43
    Re: #170
    Nah, honestly I'm not really into it when an author starts playing "social commentator" and makes social issues the theme — if Dragon Ball had been that kind of work, I probably would've hated it.

    A manga for the poorly-educated, kids, and women trying to play social commentator, give me a break.
    175AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:46
    Re: #173
    And a copycat power-inflation slugfest manga isn't for poorly-educated kids?

    Just be honest and say "I like Dragon Ball and I don't like One Piece."
    176AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:49
    Re: #175
    It inflates the power levels with proper justification behind it, though.
    I just think it's well-crafted manga, that's all.

    Background and Key Points

    Dragon Ball (1984–1995) and One Piece (1997–present) are both Weekly Shonen Jump flagships, and comparing them is a recurring 5ch pastime, especially on News VIP, a board known for fast-moving, meme-heavy flame wars rather than considered criticism. The numbers matter here even though the thread never cites them: Dragon Ball has sold roughly 260 million copies worldwide, while One Piece is the best-selling manga series in history, with Guinness-certified sales north of 500 million — a gap posters gesture at (“if it were serialized today, it wouldn’t be this popular”) but never actually state.

    The thread doesn’t really split on “which is better” so much as on what “greatest” should even measure. One camp treats thematic ambition — One Piece’s early, sustained handling of discrimination through Arlong’s crew, or Naruto’s cycle-of-revenge arc — as evidence of a “greater” work. The other camp argues the opposite: that Dragon Ball’s refusal to moralize, its unembarrassed good-vs-evil simplicity, and its internally justified power escalation are the actual craft, and that “tackling social issues” is closer to a crutch than a virtue. Neither side ever agrees on which axis — sales, longevity, ambition, or economy of storytelling — should decide the argument, so it can’t resolve.

    What’s easy to miss is that Osamu Tezuka, invoked in the thread as having “praised” Dragon Ball, died in 1989 — eight years before One Piece even began serialization. His endorsement, often cited by Dragon Ball partisans as a trump card, says nothing about the later work it’s implicitly being weighed against.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News VIP) thread “Dragon Ball Uncle: “Dragon Ball Is the Greatest Manga”.”

  • Former TBS Announcer Rina Yamamoto Unveils Swimsuit Gravure, Announces First Photo Book

    Former TBS announcer Rina Yamamoto has unveiled swimsuit gravure photos and announced the release of her first photo book. The 5ch thread ran the gamut from harsh takes like “no sex appeal” to comparisons with the lineage of ex-announcer talents such as Minami Tanaka, Kasumi Mori, and Mariko Seyama, spiraling into a broader debate over the whole “post-graduation gravure” genre itself.

    1st Photo Book — Advance Shots

    Former TBS’s Rina Yamamoto Flaunts Her Gorgeous Figure Without Reserve — “My Heart Skipped a Beat,” “I Could Get Lost in It” — Fans Thrilled as Swimsuit Shots Drop

    Rina Yamamoto (32), a former TBS announcer now working freelance, updated her social media on the 27th.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:12
    Watching Showa-retro exploration videos on YouTube beats watching Omiya Park's Peace-kun (a park mascot statue) any day.
    4AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:14
    Re: #1
    Female announcers quitting their network just to put out what's basically an Akimoto-style casting-couch catalog (a nod to producer Yasushi Akimoto's idol-industry playbook) — there's zero novelty left in that move.
    9AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:16
    32, huh.
    Lately it's been nothing but ridiculous old hags (babaa) doing gravure, so this is kind of a relief.
    16AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:18
    Re: #9
    Honestly, with the falling birthrate shrinking the under-20s buyer base, and the biggest age bracket now being people in their 50s,
    I just figured
    that's why mature-woman gravure has been on the rise.
    10AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:17
    She's pretty, but this one doesn't really have much sex appeal, does she.
    22AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:22
    Re: #10
    Weird, right?
    I think she's beautiful, but I feel zero attraction.
    12AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:17
    I've started thinking it just means
    there's no real announcing work left for them
    whenever a freelancer puts out a photo book.
    13AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:17
    Why do announcers keep moving into swimsuit gravure?
    Does that mean they secretly wanted to be entertainers all along?
    136AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:54
    Re: #13
    Right? lol
    I've wondered about that for a while too.
    The idea that 'announcer to swimsuit gravure' is just the natural progression is weird if you think about it normally.
    14AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:18
    Some 'Cameraman: Tokyo' credit — guaranteed dud, total crap.
    19AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:20
    Why didn't she release this right after quitting?
    20AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:21
    Every single one of them, sexual exploitation,
    and once they get bored they just double-crop into something else (nimosaku, lit. "double-cropping" — working two income streams at once).
    It's exhausting.
    90AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:09
    Re: #20
    Wouldn't be surprised if she eventually drops a harassment exposé about her announcer days.
    24AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:22
    College → announcer → 'happy retirement' marriage exit → freelance → divorce → photo book
    26AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:23
    Her senpai Minami Tanaka also clawed her way up starting from a racy photo book, after all.
    51AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:33
    Re: #26
    But she wasn't playing the long game as calculatedly as Tanaka was back when she was still on air,
    so
    I don't think she can pull it off.
    27AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:23
    Turns out this is what she wanted to do all along.
    29AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:24
    Would've been better to just stay an announcer until retirement, honestly.
    34AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:25
    Feels like Minami Tanaka kicked the door open and Kasumi Mori gave it momentum.
    Female announcers stripping down is only going to keep happening from here.
    44AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:29
    Re: #34
    Mariko Seyama too.
    35AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:25
    I still think staying at TBS until retirement would've been the better move.
    Once you go freelance, only a handful of people actually make good money, right?
    37AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:26
    Every single pose is way too unnatural.
    40AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:28
    This one feels less like a Minami Tanaka successor and more like Mariko Seyama's heir, honestly.
    87AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:09
    I'm more into this one.
    88AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:09
    If she stripped down with way more impact than Tanaka or Mori, fine — but this is just half-hearted.
    114AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:27
    Re: #88
    Wasn't there someone else between Minami Tanaka and Kasumi Mori?
    A TBS announcer who left after being on Sunday Japon,
    the one who was always put in cosplay outfits.
    109AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:25
    Re: #1
    Wait, why did she even quit in the first place?
    Wasn't she the announcer caught making out in a Ferrari?
    113AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:27
    Re: #109
    At any network, maybe one or two female announcers past 30 actually get given a real position.
    If you lose that tournament, quitting is basically your only move.

    Background and Key Points

    Rina Yamamoto belongs to a very specific Japanese media role: the “joshi ana” (female announcer), a young, telegenic on-air employee hired directly by a network like TBS rather than a freelance talent agency. It’s a prestige track — heavy competition to get in, heavy attrition to stay, since only a small number of women at any network hold on-air posts past their early thirties (as poster 113 notes). Leaving is usually framed as either a “happy retirement” marriage exit or a quiet failure to win that internal competition; going freelance afterward, as Yamamoto did, is a well-worn but risky path where only a handful of ex-announcers actually thrive.

    The thread wasn’t split on whether the “announcer-to-gravure” pipeline exists — everyone agreed it’s now a recognizable pattern, name-checking predecessors Minami Tanaka, Kasumi Mori, and Mariko Seyama. The disagreement was over Yamamoto’s execution within that pattern: several posters called her beautiful but said the photos lacked actual sex appeal, and debated whether she’s following Tanaka’s calculated career-building model or Seyama’s more superficial cosplay-adjacent lane, with a general sense she’s failed to distinguish herself either way.

    What’s likely to get lost on non-Japanese readers is the demographic point raised in passing (#16): Japan’s shrinking youth population has pushed gravure’s core buyers into their 50s, which is a real, oft-cited industry explanation for why “mature” ex-announcer gravure has surged — not just individual women chasing attention, but publishers chasing a graying readership.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Entertainment] Former TBS’s Rina Yamamoto Announcer — Swimsuit Gravure Unveiled! Flaunting Her Gorgeous Figure Without Reserve, Announces Release of First Photo Book.”

  • 5ch User Fires Off the Same Taunt 15 Times in a Row — Thread Mocks Him: ‘The ID-Changer Is Clearly Just Craving Attention’

    A 5ch thread that kicked off with the post “In online flame wars, isn’t it always the weaker side that insists on getting the last word?” ended up proving its own point: a poster with the ID xYWTtWiQ0 repeated the exact same line—”It’s hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention”—more than 15 times in a row. Other users traded theories like “this has to be manual” and “it’s manual, since they occasionally botch the copy-paste,” turning the thread into a live demonstration of its own title.

    1AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:52
    Watching someone dig in with replies that have zero brainpower behind them—it's unhinged, and I love it.
    2AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:54
    Lost again, huh?
    3AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:11
    Re: #2
    You sure do a lot of soul-searching, don't you.
    16AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:23
    Re: #15
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    18AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:23
    The second he broke out reply-anchors (>>), it was a desperate loss for ID:xYWTtWiQ0, lol
    19AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:24
    Re: #18
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    23AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:25
    Re: #21
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    30AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:26
    Re: #28
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    31AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:27
    Re: #30
    That's a lot of screwups, lmao
    97AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:05
    Re: #96
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    101AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:06
    Re: #96Re: #97
    You two are way too into each other.
    103AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:07
    Re: #101
    Right? Lololololol
    104AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:07
    Re: #103
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    115AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:10
    In online flame wars, isn't it always the weaker side that insists on getting the last word?
    https://mi.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1787850540/
    116AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:11
    Re: #115
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    160AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:32
    Re: #159
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    162AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:32
    Re: #160
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    166AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:34
    Re: #165
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    167AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:34
    Re: #166
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    198AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:50
    What is this guy even doing?
    208AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:52
    Isn't this just a script/bot?
    209AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:52
    Re: #208
    Definitely doing this by hand, lol
    210AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:53
    Re: #208
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    214AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:53
    However you look at it, an ID posting nonstop like that (flagged red for a huge post count) looks like a bot script to me.
    215AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:54
    Re: #214
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    216AnonymousAug 28, 2026 02:54
    Re: #214
    It's manual—they occasionally screw up the copy-paste, lol
    231AnonymousAug 28, 2026 03:05
    Re: #228
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.
    233AnonymousAug 28, 2026 03:06
    Re: #231
    It's hilarious how the ID-changer is clearly starved for attention.

    Background and Key Points

    This thread taken from 5ch’s News VIP board (a general anything-goes forum on Japan’s largest anonymous message board, roughly analogous to 4chan’s /b/ but with a broader, more conversational userbase) hinges on 5ch’s ID system, which is the whole reason the joke works. Unlike fully anonymous boards, 5ch assigns each poster a per-thread ID generated from their IP and the date, so anyone posting repeatedly in the same thread is instantly traceable even without a username — switching IDs mid-thread (via VPN, mobile data toggling, or a proxy) is a well-known tell of someone trying to dodge scrutiny or fake being multiple people, and old-guard users treat “ID conversion” (ID変換) as a small badge of shame. That context is what turns a person copy-pasting an insult into a public spectacle rather than just background noise.

    The disagreement in the thread isn’t really about whether the repeated poster “lost” the argument — everyone agrees on that — it’s about mechanism: some posters insisted the identical, 15-plus-times-repeated line had to be an automated script given the volume and speed, while others pointed to the occasional botched copy-paste (a stray reply-anchor, a misfire) as proof a human was doing this by hand, just unraveling in real time.

    What outside readers will likely miss is that 5ch’s ID resets daily and per-board, so “the ID-changer” accusation isn’t a vague insult — it specifically means the target burned through multiple mobile carriers or reconnected their router to shake off a fresh ID, a fairly deliberate and effortful move for an anonymous flame war. No one in the thread bothers explaining this mechanic because it’s assumed common knowledge among regulars, which is exactly the kind of local shorthand that gets lost on outsiders.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News VIP) thread “In online flame wars, isn’t it always the weaker side that insists on getting the last word?”.

  • What’s the Scariest Horror Movie? 5ch Says ‘REC Was a Hidden Gem’

    A casual chat about “the scariest horror movie” caught fire on 5ch’s “Anything Goes Live” board (Nandemo Jikkyou G). Opinions split over just how well-known REC (the 2007 Spanish POV horror film) really was, and the conversation spread to the appeal of mockumentary horror and terrifying scenes from Japanese films and game adaptations like Silent Hill, Kairo (Pulse), and Kuru (It Comes).

    1AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:21
    Noroi (The Curse), right? 😨
    31AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:33
    Random, but broadcast TV hasn't run a single paranormal special this year
    34AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:34
    Re: #31
    They just ran one recently
    Forget who it was, but it had some comedian in it
    33AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:34
    When I saw REC in theaters on release, I pumped my fist like 'what a hidden gem!'
    Then there was Part 3, though…
    37AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:36
    Re: #33
    It got that much buzz and still counts as a hidden gem?
    Well, even Terminator turns into a dud by part 3, so it can't be helped
    39AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:37
    Re: #37
    Come to think of it, a horror series that actually gets scarier by part 3 is genuinely impressive then
    46AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:38
    Re: #37
    Was it really that big a deal back then?
    43AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:37
    Western horror ghosts sure love turning things into a physical brawl
    96AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:03
    Re: #43
    It Follows: 'Yeah, fair'
    97AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:04
    Re: #43
    In Japanese horror, it's usually the protagonist who starts the brawl
    48AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:39
    I'm a total sucker for mockumentary horror 😣
    52AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:42
    Re: #48
    Mockumentaries are unfair – they're entertaining whether they're goofing around or playing it dead serious
    55AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:43
    Re: #48
    The Iinuma family (from Noroi) were pretty scary
    64AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:46
    Re: #46
    Pretty sure it was shot on a tiny budget with a home camera, but it got news coverage for being insanely scary and entertaining – didn't it pull a decent audience in Japan too?
    70AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:49
    Re: #64
    Huh, is that so… I only found out about it from a magazine ad back then
    so I had no idea how much coverage it got on TV or online
    75AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:50
    Re: #64
    Reminds me of The Blair Witch Project
    That one was scary
    74AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:50
    I looked up REC's box office – worldwide it was around 3.5 to 3.8 billion yen, but I couldn't find Japan-only figures, so maybe it really was under the radar after all
    I was deep into horror back then so I assumed it was famous, but maybe to the general public it actually was a hidden gem?
    76AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:52
    Re: #74
    Just going by personal experience, but nobody around me had heard of it, so I always figured it was in that category
    91AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:02
    Re: #74
    I thought REC got some buzz back then alongside Cloverfield as a POV-style film, but maybe that's just how it was
    77AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:53
    This one 😳
    81AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:55
    Re: #77
    Love the scene where they're like 'we're getting out of here!', break down the entrance, and it's not outside at all – just more hallway
    85AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:58
    I love this one too
    It's more unsettling/gross-out than scary, and there are a few things you could nitpick, but it was pretty solid overall

    93AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:03
    Re: #85
    Horror movies like this that work as a microcosm of society are great – Chirudo was good too
    88AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:59
    Has anyone seen the Japanese film Hyouketsu (lit. 'Ice Blood') or the Western film The Passenger?
    If so, I'd like a quick rundown of your thoughts
    102AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:05
    Re: #88
    The Passenger was pretty decent
    210AnonymousAug 28, 2026 03:11
    Re: #88
    Hyouketsu was garbage. I suspect the director shot it without really understanding the script…
    105AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:06
    It's always fun when the reliable psychic or medium character screws up
    111AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:09
    Re: #105
    The only cases I can think of where the go-to exorcist loses are Sadako vs. Kayako and The Medium (Megami no Keishou)
    In Kuru (It Comes) and Cult-type films, after the good side loses, something absurdly strong just shows up from behind anyway
    112AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:11
    Re: #111
    Kuru (It Comes) is pure despair
    Rie Shibata 😭
    117AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:13
    Re: #111
    Re: #112
    I'd forgotten the title, but that's the one I had in mind – so it's 'Kuru,' huh
    Feels like a bunch of masters/experts kept dying in it
    107AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:07
    At the end of the day, the first Silent Hill movie is the scary one
    Right at the start, when the creature comes shambling toward you from a distance, I let out a 'gah…'
    113AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:11
    Re: #107
    I love the original game too, and I was really satisfied [with the movie]
    But the sequel the same director recently put out was honestly disappointing 😔
    116AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:12
    Re: #107
    Silent Hill is scary and fun, but it feels like it's a bit different in flavor from your typical creature-horror adventure somehow
    124AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:17
    Anyone know Kairo (Pulse)?
    This scene was crazy scary
    168AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:45
    Re: #124
    This is the only scene I know, but apparently they deliberately avoided walking like a normal person or something
    Makes me wonder if the almost-stumbling part was intentional or genuine
    160AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:39
    The Wolf House – the kind of movie that makes you go 'whoa, amazing' but isn't actually scary
    166AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:44
    There really aren't many road-movie horror films, huh
    169AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:46
    Re: #166
    The Western film 'Less-' might come kind of close
    170AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:46
    Re: #166
    I feel like It Follows kind of ends up being that inevitably
    since it just keeps following you the whole way
    177AnonymousAug 28, 2026 01:52
    Re: #166
    A Journey Through the Night

    Background and Key Points

    REC (2007) is a Spanish found-footage horror film – a Barcelona news crew trapped in a quarantined apartment building with a demonic-infection outbreak – shot on a low budget with handheld cameras, echoing the shoestring approach of The Blair Witch Project years earlier. It spawned sequels of diminishing regard (poster 33 name-drops “Part 3” as the point where the series lost its footing) and inspired the American remake Quarantine. Worldwide it grossed roughly 3.5-3.8 billion yen, a number one poster (74) actually looked up mid-thread, but nobody could pin down its Japan-specific box office. That gap is the crux of the disagreement: was REC genuinely a cult “hidden gem” in Japan, or did it get real news and magazine coverage that just didn’t reach everyone? Posters split along personal exposure lines – some recall TV/net buzz and comparisons to Cloverfield’s contemporaneous POV wave, others recall zero word-of-mouth among peers and only a magazine ad.

    Readers unfamiliar with Japan’s horror-fandom landscape should note that “hidden gem” (穴場/知る人ぞ知る) claims here are anecdotal, not box-office fact – nobody in the thread produces actual Japan distribution figures, ticket sales, or DVD rental data, so the “was it famous or not” debate never actually resolves. It’s easy to assume a film’s international reputation among horror devotees maps onto general-audience awareness in a specific market, but that’s exactly the assumption the thread exposes as untested. The tangent into Japanese titles like Noroi, Kairo, and Kuru also shouldn’t be read as evidence about REC’s popularity – it’s a separate, parallel discussion about what makes Japanese-style horror scary (creeping dread and psychic mediums) versus Western horror’s tendency toward physical confrontation, not a comparison of box office reach.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyou G) thread “What’s the scariest horror movie, huh 😨”.

  • Japanese Actress Asks: “Why Do Japanese Films Keep Losing to Anime…?”

    5ch users discussed why Japanese live-action films keep falling short of anime films at the box office, citing concrete examples. They pointed to manga-based live-action adaptations like Sakamoto Days and Kingdom, an industry too dependent on sequels to generate new IP, and the box-office landscape that shifted after Demon Slayer — sparking a mix of defense and criticism.

    3AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:07
    Lol, she's naturally not even counting anime films as real movies.
    4AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:08
    Because anime studios make what sells, while you guys just try to sell whatever you made.
    5AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:09
    All I know about this actress is that she was in Howl's Moving Castle.
    9AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:09
    Re: #5
    She's the one who became a household name playing Sakura.
    13AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:11

    As long as you keep churning out Jump live-action "cosplay movies" like Sakamoto Days, you'll never win.
    19AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:13
    Re: #13
    If we're talking cosplay live-action, there's also Kingdom —
    that one's actually doing decent numbers though.
    40AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:26
    Re: #13
    Lol, the only live-action films outdoing this one are Very Soon, It Will Be Goodbye and Kingdom.
    81AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:46
    Re: #13
    Make school-play-tier movies like this and of course people avoid them.
    21AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:14
    Kingdom
    Sakamoto Days

    Pathetic that you can't make money unless it's a Jump live-action adaptation… lol
    32AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:22
    Live-action's actually been fairly popular lately.
    33AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:23
    Re: #32
    If you exclude Kokuho — which is basically a jackpot fluke ("kakuhen," pachinko slang for an unexpected hot streak) — isn't it kind of mediocre?
    36AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:24
    Bayside Shakedown ← sequel
    Godzilla Minus One ← sequel

    Can you guys only remake existing stuff now, just like Hollywood? lol
    42AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:27
    Re: #36
    They used up all their strength to make one strong new IP on Kokuho.
    46AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:29
    Guess all they can do is pander to nostalgia, like Michael does for Hollywood movies.
    71AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:40
    Re: #46
    If Japan made that kind of nostalgia movie, it'd star people like Yujiro Ishihara, Saburo Kitajima, or Akiko Wada — but who'd actually watch that?
    48AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:29
    The film industry's lack of talent has gone too far.
    They keep failing at live-action adaptations of popular manga and anime, yet the industry is overrun with garbage people incapable of reflection or self-criticism.
    Because the whole industry is hopeless, they let Yamazaki "dye" every manga adaptation in his own style and don't even feel ashamed.
    Japanese live-action film needs to accept it ranks below manga and anime.
    50AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:30
    Re: #48
    What does "Yamazaki-dyed" even mean?
    52AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:32

    Lol, other than Kuranosuke Sasaki, I don't recognize a single one of the new Bayside Shakedown cast.
    Even 5 billion yen looks shaky at this rate.
    68AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:38
    Hasn't there been no Japanese live-action film beating anime at the box office since Code Blue in 2018? And even that was a TV drama spinoff.
    72AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:40
    Re: #68
    That's before Demon Slayer even showed up.
    Guess Demon Slayer really was a game changer.
    74AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:41
    Re: #68
    Well, the all-time box office #1 was already Spirited Away, so live-action's been losing all century.
    70AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:39
    It's not "wow, anime's amazing, we can't lose to them!" — the problem is you can see right through her naturally looking down on anime.
    73AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:41
    Re: #70
    It was pretty off-putting how Japanese film industry people, unable to attack Miyazaki because he's too big a legend, went after Shinkai's anime instead.
    And they went after Anno's live-action films too.
    76AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:43
    They're still living in the world of Ozu, Kurosawa, and Mizoguchi. Among active directors, only Kitano really has any renown.
    77AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:44
    Re: #76
    Ryusuke Hamaguchi: "…"
    78AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:45
    Takashi Yamazaki: "I made Godzilla Minus One…!" ← fine so far
    "Sequel, more sequels!" ← this is exactly why you keep losing to anime lol
    84AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:47
    Re: #78
    He's a coward with no guts to make anything new — like Muzan (the Demon Slayer villain) hiding behind his power.
    93AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:52
    Well, when you see Detective Conan pulling in 13.6 billion yen, I guess you'd want to ask "why…?" too.
    104AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:59
    Re: #93
    Honestly Kokuho gives off even more of a "why is this boring thing doing so well?" vibe than Conan.
    97AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:55
    For popular young Japanese actresses, it's really just Hashikan (Kanna Hashimoto) and Minami Hamabe, right? I don't recognize anyone else — is Japan turning into Hollywood?
    117AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:06
    Re: #97
    It bugs me that Nanoka Hara, who played the lead in Suzume, hasn't broken out at all.
    118AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:07
    Re: #97
    There's also Riho Yoshioka! Though she's basically a commercial-only actress.
    100AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:56
    Western movies are pretty much the same though — impossible to surprise anyone anymore.
    103AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:58
    Re: #100
    Only Disney movies break 10 billion yen anymore.
    Even Michael couldn't hit 9 billion — that's THE END.
    125AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:14
    She's not even criticizing anime, you're all overreacting.
    128AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:16
    Re: #125
    The fact that she doesn't even consider anime as "movies" says it all…
    127AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:16

    Lol, this turned out exactly as predicted.

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s box office has favored anime over live-action for most of this century — Spirited Away has held the all-time domestic record since 2001, and posters noted no live-action film has topped an anime release since the 2018 Code Blue movie (itself a TV drama spinoff). Demon Slayer: Mugen Train’s 2020 run, which became the highest-grossing film in Japanese history, is widely cited as the real turning point that entrenched anime’s dominance. On the live-action side, manga/anime adaptations like Sakamoto Days and Kingdom are part of a long-running industry practice of turning serialized Shonen Jump and manga properties into films, while directors like Takashi Yamazaki (Godzilla Minus One) and franchises like Bayside Shakedown represent the sequel-and-remake-heavy strategy posters say has replaced original filmmaking.

    The thread didn’t split over whether Japanese live-action is struggling — that was broadly accepted — but over why, and how much blame lands on the actress herself. Some read her comment as implicitly dismissing anime as not “real” cinema, a framing several posters found condescending; others insisted she wasn’t attacking anime at all and that the reaction was overblown. A separate disagreement centered on whether recent hits like Kokuho signal genuine health in live-action or are, as one poster put it, a lucky “kakuhen” fluke masking an otherwise mediocre run.

    What the thread leaves unaddressed is the production-economics side: anime films are typically greenlit only after a manga or series has already proven its fanbase, letting studios like ufotable pour resources into a built-in audience, whereas original or adapted live-action projects carry far more financial risk without that pre-validation — a structural asymmetry the posters gesture at through casting and sequel complaints but never name directly.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Japanese Actress Asks: “Why Do Japanese Films Keep Losing to Anime…?””.

  • HoYoverse’s New Game ‘Nodusfall’ Is Free-to-Play — No Gacha for Characters

    HoYoverse announced its new co-op action RPG “Nodusfall” at gamescom. The game is free-to-play, with characters unlocked through continued play rather than gacha pulls. On 5ch, this sparked a flurry of speculation about the revenue model, with comments like “So how are they gonna make money then?” and “It’s gotta be skin purchases in the end.” Users also debated which platforms it will support and how this departs from HoYoverse’s previous titles, which relied heavily on big-spending gacha systems.

    1AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:05
    World's First Hands-On with HoYoverse's New Game "Nodusfall"! Co-op Action Where You Take On Monstrous Beasts and Dragons with Divine Skills [gamescom]
    www.4gamer.net/games/036/G103635/20260827010/
    3AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:06
    Guess PS5's about to pop off again
    4AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:09
    I can guess it's skin purchases, but…
    gear changes your look, though regular equipment doesn't have any sexy or stylish options, so maybe it's like layering paid skins over your gear or something?
    22AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:20
    Re: #4
    Skin purchases (where you can't unlock the full performance of new weapons/characters unless you pull a specific skin)

    Classic move for Chinese gacha games
    5AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:10
    Japan's already got Monster Hunter Wilds anyway
    13AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:16
    Re: #5
    This is probably targeting Japanese/Chinese/Korean players who've moved on from Wilds
    6AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:11
    Their games have always been built around massive gacha spending — can they actually sustain this?
    8AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:13
    A lot of battle royale PvP games have taken over the market, but who knows how this one will do
    9AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:14
    Who needs another washed-up game for creepy otaku (キモオタ = "gross otaku") anyway
    16AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:18
    — Aside from boss fights like the one shown here, what other kinds of gameplay will there be?

    Dev team:
    Instanced co-op content tackled with your party will be the core gameplay. Beyond that, we're preparing large RPG-style maps for progressing the story, along with various types of missions. We're also planning some small-scale PvP content.
    17AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:19
    Bet every character's useless unless you gacha for their exclusive gear anyway
    18AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:19
    — This title is free-to-play, but how will players obtain characters?

    Dev team:
    Rather than getting characters through gacha, we've designed it so they're unlocked by continuing to play the game. As for monetization, we're considering appearance-changing items as a key element. We'll share more details on this later.
    19AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:19
    Lol, the second it came out that it's free-to-play, Western fans started ripping into it
    20AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:19
    So then how are they gonna squeeze money out of us, I wonder?
    29AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:26
    Re: #1
    Hands-on footage
    x.com/4GamerNews/status/2092897413359092146

    x.com/4GamerNews/status/2092915026164384252
    37AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:32
    Re: #29
    These animations look like I've seen them somewhere before lol 😅
    30AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:28
    I'd consider playing if the monetization doesn't affect gameplay, but it probably will
    Whether it's gacha or unlocking performance through skins, any system where you can pay your way to power is trash
    34AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:29
    Re: #30
    It's gonna be stamina/energy purchases, guaranteed (行動力 = the "action points" system common in mobile games)
    32AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:28
    Free-to-play with no gacha — how are they even gonna turn a profit?
    42AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:35
    Re: #32
    Maybe it'll end up something like this

    [Genshin Impact] "Starlit Illusion" Gacha (Star Wish) Summary | Pity System and Prices
    https://gamewith.jp/genshin/article/show/526543
    70AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:15
    Re: #32
    There's no character gacha, sure, but there'll definitely still be skin purchases or other gacha
    40AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:35
    I really wish HoYoverse would seriously make a premium buy-once game, but I guess that's a pipe dream
    Charge for DLC if you have to, just make an anime-style action game already
    50AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:44
    Re: #40
    No way HoYoverse ever makes a premium one-time-purchase game
    53AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:45
    They could just say they like HoYoverse like a normal person, but people who only use it as a bludgeon to bash other games are giving it the worst reputation
    At that point you're basically just an anti
    67AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:03
    Re: #53
    Are you new to console-war threads or something?
    69AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:13
    Apparently there's a platform that doesn't even get to play this lol
    71AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:16
    Re: #69
    Switch: "Did someone call me?"
    Xbox: "Did someone call me?"
    Steam: "Did someone call me?"
    74AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:21
    It's only confirmed for PC so far though
    83AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:28
    Re: #74
    PC doesn't count as a platform
    It'll probably only support Chinese platforms and PlayStation
    75AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:22
    I bet it'll be centered on skin purchases, designed so paying doesn't create a power gap
    Pay-to-win is hated in the West after all

    Also, even if the base game is free, paid expansion content down the line is possible too
    78AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:25
    Re: #75
    That's the style a lot of recent Chinese games go for
    They've probably learned that P2W doesn't last
    93AnonymousAug 28, 2026 00:40
    So they're gonna make bank off skins and battle passes?

    Doesn't look like there's enough content for that to actually work

    If they roll out any "you can't win without paying" content, they'll get slammed and lose the playerbase instantly

    Background and Key Points

    HoYoverse is the entity behind Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail, and Zenless Zone Zero — titles whose revenue model rests on gacha pulls for playable characters, a system that has generated billions of dollars globally and drawn regulatory scrutiny in places like Japan, where gacha-style “kompu gacha” mechanics were partially banned by the Consumer Affairs Agency back in 2012. Nodusfall, unveiled at gamescom as a co-op action RPG about fighting beasts and dragons, breaks from that pattern: characters are earned through play rather than paid pulls, with the studio saying appearance-changing (skin) items will instead anchor monetization. For a company whose entire business has been built on character gacha, that’s a notable pivot, and it’s why posters reacted with open disbelief rather than celebration.

    The thread’s actual fault line wasn’t whether the change is good — nearly everyone agreed pay-to-win systems are worth avoiding — but whether “no character gacha” actually means anything once skin purchases enter the picture. Commenters repeatedly guessed that performance could still be gated behind cosmetic-locked gear, or that “action point” (stamina) purchases, a staple of Japanese mobile gacha design, would quietly reintroduce a spending treadmill. That skepticism, not optimism about a fairer model, dominated.

    What the thread never addressed is that “skin gacha” itself is a common workaround in Chinese live-service games — skins distributed via randomized pulls rather than direct purchase — so a system billed as gacha-free for characters could still contain gacha mechanics elsewhere. Readers unfamiliar with that industry pattern might assume “free-to-play, no gacha” implies a conventional cosmetics shop, when HoYoverse’s own precedent suggests otherwise.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hardware/Industry (Console Wars)) thread “HoYoverse’s New Game Nodusfall Is Free-to-Play with No Character Gacha!“.

  • No “sure thing” souvenir for Osaka? 5ch: “Even Shiroi Koibito is a ripoff”

    On 5ch’s “Nandemo Jikkyo” (Anything Live) board, a thread about how Osaka has no go-to souvenir the way Tokyo has Tokyo Banana spiraled into a full-blown debate. Ginza-dako versus real takoyaki, whether 551’s infamous lines are actually worth it, and the Shiroi Koibito vs. Omoshiroi Koibito copycat wars — clashing opinions poured in from every direction.

    1AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:14
    So what am I even supposed to buy?
    2AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:14
    Real takoyaki beats Ginza-dako any day
    that's Osaka for you
    6AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:15
    Re: #2
    Koga-ryu was genuinely amazing — I finished mine and went straight back for more
    12AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:16
    Re: #2
    Maybe it's because I was born and raised in Osaka, but I still don't get the appeal of Ginza-dako
    13AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:16
    Re: #2
    Maybe it's because I was born and raised in Osaka, but I still don't get the appeal of Ginza-dako
    9AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:15
    Don't bother bringing back 551 buns
    they're only good fresh, not after they've sat around
    14AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:16
    Wait, do Osakans actually think Ginza-dako is "fake" takoyaki lol
    15AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:17
    Re: #14
    lol the Ginza-dako faithful are seething
    20AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:18
    Rikuro's cheesecake
    551 buns
    Tenten-yu's frozen gyoza
    you can grab all of that right at Shin-Osaka station
    22AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:19
    Re: #20
    Pretty sure none of that actually works as a souvenir though
    36AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:21
    Re: #20
    I'd be thrilled if my family brought that home for me, but it doesn't really scream "souvenir," does it?
    Not enough Osaka in it
    30AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:20
    The point is there's nothing as iconic as Tokyo Banana
    33AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:21
    Re: #30
    Wait, Tokyo Banana? Isn't that the one that tastes awful?
    48AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:28
    Stuff like Omoshiroi Koibito ("Funny Lover") or Kuroi Koibito ("Black Lover") — both spin-offs riffing on the Shiroi Koibito cookie brand
    49AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:29
    Re: #48
    And I hate the copycats that piled on after that too — "Dotonbori no Koibito," "Tsutenkaku no Koibito," that whole crowd with no clever twist, just shameless imitations
    55AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:32
    There's Ajari Mochi though
    56AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:34
    Re: #55
    That's from Kyoto
    so is Yatsuhashi
    60AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:39
    Tokyo doesn't really have one either
    I live in Tokyo so I struggle whenever I have to send souvenirs to people elsewhere
    63AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:41
    Re: #60
    Hiyoko is fine
    quit overthinking it
    64AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:41
    Re: #63
    That thing isn't even tasty though
    66AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:41
    Re: #64
    Your taste buds are just broken
    everybody loves Hiyoko
    70AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:43
    Re: #66
    It's dry and bland
    67AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:42
    Don't confuse "something I personally can't stand" with "something other people would love to receive"!!!
    71AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:43
    Re: #67
    You wouldn't give someone something you yourself wouldn't be happy to get, right?
    73AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:44
    Re: #71
    That's just your opinion so far though, no?
    81AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:46
    Re: #73
    I'm saying I'm not gonna hand my friends something I wouldn't want myself
    why should I have to approve of it just because you happen to like it
    and apparently it's a knockoff of a Fukuoka snack to begin with, so knowing that makes me even less inclined to buy it
    72AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:44
    If you want an Osaka souvenir, I recommend this
    it's ridiculously good

    https://kishibura.jp/blog/realize/files/2013/03/DSC_1042.jpg
    77AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:45
    Re: #72
    Looks delicious

    I hate how the lesser-known souvenir sweets are often weirdly over-sweet
    Kyoto, Nagoya, and Hokkaido are the real heavyweights for gift sweets
    I'm so over chinsuko (Okinawan shortbread cookies) at this point
    78AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:45
    Forget the lame stuff — Osaka's fine with Omoshiroi Koibito. Sure it's a Shiroi Koibito knockoff, but it's actually good!!!!!!
    91AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:49
    Rikuro's and 551 aren't even that special but people line up forever for them lol
    standing in a line that long, there's no way it lives up to the hype
    93AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:50
    Re: #91
    551's sold at basically every station anyway, doesn't matter which one
    95AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:50
    Omoshiroi Koibito (so cringe)
    99AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:53
    Re: #95
    By the way, Shiroi Koibito itself is named after a French film called "The White Lovers"
    a lot of people don't know that
    106AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:57
    551's fine I guess, though I don't even think it's that tasty
    112AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:01
    Re: #106
    The filling is very meat-forward, so it feels richer than your average meat bun, but taste-wise it's nothing special
    110AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:59
    The souvenir shop at Osaka Castle was straight-up trash
    wall-to-wall cheap, random ninja merch
    plus a bunch of Naruto and Detective Conan stuff
    113AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:04
    Re: #110
    Well, the castle itself is basically a concrete reconstruction anyway…

    Background and Key Points

    Osaka’s souvenir problem is a real structural quirk of Japanese omiyage culture, not just internet grumbling. Since the 1980s, Japan’s domestic tourism economy has run on the idea that every region needs one instantly recognizable “meibutsu” (famous product) sold almost exclusively at its home train station or airport — Tokyo Banana (Grapestone, launched 1991) is the textbook case, a soft banana-cream cake sold almost nowhere but Tokyo hubs. Hokkaido has Shiroi Koibito, a langue-de-chat cookie made by the Sapporo company Ishiya since 1976 and named after a French film, “Les Amants” (“The Lovers”), released in Japan as Shiroi Koibito-tachi. Osaka, despite being Japan’s second city and a food capital, has never produced a single item with that nationwide instant-recognition — instead it has 551 Horai’s pork buns (best eaten fresh, not shipped), Rikuro’s soufflé cheesecake, and takoyaki, none of which travel or brand as cleanly.

    The thread’s actual fault line wasn’t “does Osaka have a souvenir” — everyone agreed it doesn’t — but whether the existing candidates even qualify as authentic Osaka products at all: posters split hard over Ginza-dako, a takoyaki chain some called fake and others defended, and over Omoshiroi Koibito, which nobody disputed was a direct pun-riff on Shiroi Koibito.

    What’s easy to miss is that Shiroi Koibito is a Hokkaido brand with zero Osaka connection, so Omoshiroi Koibito isn’t a rival original — it’s Osaka gift shops openly cashing in on another region’s trademark cookie. Hiyoko, mentioned as sold at Tokyo Station, likewise originated in Fukuoka. Much of Japan’s “iconic regional souvenir” landscape is built on borrowed branding rather than strict local origin.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo) thread ““Osaka souvenirs” — seriously, there’s genuinely none lol.”

  • Pa League: Marines 2-4 Hawks (8/27) — Hawks’ Kamichitani goes 6 with 2 runs allowed, Shoji/Shuto/Kurihara deliver timely hits, Marines’ Mori surrenders 4 in 5

    In Pacific League action on August 27, SoftBank edged out Lotte 4-2. The thread buzzed over Lotte rookie pitcher Mori, who showed real fire leaving the mound despite allowing 4 runs in 5 innings, and over complaints aimed at manager Saburo for fielding young players in the middle of a pennant race.

    SoftBank  0 4 0  0 0 0  0 0 0|4

    Lotte    0 1 1  0 0 0  0 0 0|2

    [Battery]

    Source: nikkansports.com / Original article here

    40AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:38
    Lotte, please stop trying out rookies against teams in a pennant race.
    We're busting our asses over here, and if you pull losing moves against our rivals, it could cost us the title.
    Seriously, Saburo, think about that.
    Act with the whole league in mind.
    51AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:42
    Re: #40
    Is that really a post worth copy-pasting?
    41AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:39
    Me, a BayStars fan, staring wistfully at the Kamichitani–Yamamoto battery (both are ex-BayStars)
    62AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:07
    Re: #41
    Soto was on the other team today too, lol (another ex-BayStars player)
    69AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:23
    This month it's win, lose, win, lose — back and forth.
    81AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:47
    Re: #69
    Lately they've been more like a .500 team, but overall this month they're 13-8-1 so far — five wins banked above .500.
    83AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:51
    Mori was so fired up leaving the mound after 5 innings
    I figured they must be winning, but they were actually losing
    91AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:18
    Re: #83
    Nah, I'd say he did well
    He's a rookie, after all

    Background and Key Points

    For readers unfamiliar with Nippon Professional Baseball’s structure, the Pacific League (Pa League) is one of NPB’s two six-team circuits, and late August is when the pennant race tightens as teams jockey for the postseason Climax Series spots. SoftBank Hawks and Chiba Lotte Marines are longtime rivals in that hunt, and the “battery” mentioned in the recap is simply the pitcher-catcher pairing — notable here because both Hawks starter Kamichitani and his catcher Yamamoto came up through the Yokohama DeNA BayStars organization, which is why a self-identified BayStars fan chimed in wistfully, and why a third ex-BayStars player, Soto, appearing on the field drew a follow-up comment. Player movement between NPB’s twelve teams via trades and waivers is common enough that fans track these lineages closely.

    The thread’s actual disagreement centers on Lotte’s roster strategy: one poster argued manager Saburo shouldn’t be blooding rookie pitchers like Mori against contenders this late in the race, framing it as unfair to teams still fighting for the pennant, but the reply immediately mocked that take as not worth reposting, showing the board split on whether the complaint had merit. A smaller disagreement follows over Mori himself — one poster found it odd he left the mound fired up after a loss, another defended it as normal rookie spirit.

    What the thread never states is Lotte’s actual month-to-date form: 13-8-1, five games over .500, not the struggling squad the “stop developing rookies” complaint implies — worth knowing before taking that gripe at face value.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Entertainment & Sports News+) thread “[Baseball] Pa League: Marines 2-4 Hawks (8/27) — Hawks’ Kamichitani goes 6 with 2 runs allowed, Shoji/Shuto/Kurihara deliver timely hits, Marines’ Mori surrenders 4 in 5.”

  • Ex-Fuji TV Announcer Nagisa Watanabe’s Job-Hunting Video ‘Industry Criticism’ Sparks Controversy — 5ch: ‘Applies to Literally Everything’

    Former Fuji TV announcer Nagisa Watanabe sparked debate on 5ch’s Geinou/Sports Breaking News+ board after saying, in a YouTube video offering job-hunting advice, that “people with a strong sense of justice aren’t suited to TV stations” and “there’s all kinds of power harassment and sexual harassment.” Commenters also pointed out her past admission of “20-hour workdays,” and the sense of unease around her now speaking as a kind of job-hunting advisor after leaving the company.

    While some in the thread sympathized with the working conditions she described, others questioned her stance, with comments like “she’s talking with criticism as the whole premise” and “she’s going to stop getting booked.”

    “People with a strong sense of justice aren’t suited to TV stations” — Ex-Fuji announcer Nagisa Watanabe’s “industry criticism” in job-hunting video sparks controversy… Previously admitted to “20-hour workdays,” now unease over her turning into a “job-hunting advisor”

    2026.08.27 20:30

    Nagisa Watanabe, a former announcer who left Fuji TV in August 2024 and now works as a freelancer, has never been short of buzz since her departure — and now comments from her YouTube channel about job hunting are stirring up social media.

    Source: smart-flash.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:44
    Yeah, if you've seen the people inside Fuji TV or TBS, that tracks.
    3AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:45
    Justice won, so why…?
    5AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:46
    Watanabe seems suited for TV, though.
    6AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:46
    Trash media is trash media (a common jab: masu-gomi, "mass media" + "garbage").
    One fake report and they should lose their broadcast license, no questions asked.
    9AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:47
    >>Coming in to work at 2am, then tied up until 10pm for other show recordings, only to come back in the middle of the night again the next day — 20-hour workdays were the norm<<

    Super black company, lol ("black company" = Japanese slang for an exploitative employer).
    13AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:50
    Re: #9
    Yasuzumi: "What kind of soft talk is that — you shouldn't have become an announcer in the first place."
    56AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:33
    Re: #9
    There's probably a break somewhere in there.
    Also, if it's 2am-10pm then back on shift late the next night, that's basically a 20-hour shift followed by 26 hours off — a one-day-on-one-day-off pattern.
    62AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:36
    Re: #9
    The popular ones are probably busy, but isn't losing work the scarier option?
    Plenty of jobs have long hours too, like medical workers.
    18AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:51
    "When people wield their own sense of justice, they can become crueler than anyone." — Takayuki Yagami
    22AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:54
    People like this shouldn't be brought onto job-hunting platforms —
    it feels like she's talking with criticism as the starting point.
    26AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:57
    A decent person wouldn't end up on the side broadcasting biased news.
    It's the ones who want to be famous and rake in money who join the TV crowd.
    30AnonymousAug 27, 2026 21:59
    "Strongly principled types aren't suited to being police officers."
    "Strongly principled types aren't suited to organized crime."
    "Strongly principled types aren't suited to showbiz."

    Applies to literally everything.
    34AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:02
    Re: #30
    Any job, you end up quitting partway through, huh.
    60AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:34
    Re: #1
    What happened with her being listed in the track record of two announcer schools while saying she never attended one?
    69AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:39
    Re: #60
    Her job hunt for Fuji TV started in the summer of her third year of university, so "at that point" she probably hadn't attended one yet.
    In the follow-up part of the video, it sounds like she was told "you should do this" and ended up joining some "something" aimed at aspiring announcers partway through.
    Not sure about an informal offer, but the official offer came in her fourth year, so I guess the announcer exam process itself just runs long.
    64AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:38
    I don't know of a single field where the strongly principled type made it big.
    Isn't that true even in the religious world?
    74AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:42
    Re: #64
    Even in Christianity, saints are rare characters.
    Most people give in to the devil's temptations, drown in pleasure, and end up on the side wiped out by the flood, right?
    92AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:51
    Re: #69
    Then she should just explain that, you'd think.
    Letting people believe she was still hospitalized when she'd already been discharged, without clarifying — that kind of thing is where I don't feel any sincerity.
    99AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:57
    Re: #92
    You'd get the nuance better by actually watching the video — not pushing you to, though.
    What gets you with "this is exactly her problem" is that, to begin with, it slowly sinks in from the latter half of part two that Fuji TV itself is "that kind of company."
    As for the third-party committee's report, the premise is that you shouldn't swallow any of it whole —
    but the more you listen to her rattle on, the more you think "she cozied up and pandered to a bunch of unhinged people, and it just made her more unhinged in the process."

    That's where I landed, lol.
    100AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:59
    Yeah, I think this is true.
    And with the police too, strongly principled types
    just end up feeling suppressed, so it's better not to join
    the police — it's an organization that's a parade
    of unreasonableness.
    103AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:02
    Re: #100
    Since there's so much sexual and power harassment, if you're not strongly principled, the police and Self-Defense Force become a total free-for-all.
    There's data showing that the more of a jock/meathead type someone is, the more they tend to love bullying.
    104AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:04
    "You're inflexible."
    "You can't take a joke."
    "You're so serious."
    "You can't improvise."
    That's what people say.

    Well, I'm talking about myself, but.
    107AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:04
    Re: #104
    In two kanji, that's just called "incompetent" (無能, munou).
    111AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:09
    Honestly, where's a good workplace for someone who doesn't care about other people at all and sees work as punishment?
    112AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:10
    Re: #111
    "Real Value," "On Mute," "News Post Seven," "Yoga Journal"
    122AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:17
    Re: #111
    Don't people like that usually turn pessimistic about the world and leave secular life behind? Like a sadhu in India. Though you can't survive without giving up vanity and desire. It's tough.
    120AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:14
    Strongly principled people are, without exception, small-minded, aren't they.
    134AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:34
    Re: #120
    People who go around calling others small-minded are basically the bully type, I think.
    127AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:26
    No, back when she was a rookie, she gave off way more of an "I get variety shows" vibe than her fellow new hire Minami Sakuma.

    On Nep League, she'd call out to the senior announcer doing the voice-over in a cutesy voice, like "○○-san~"
    136AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:35
    Re: #127
    She was Fuji TV's top pick as a variety-ready rookie female announcer —
    the type with a cute face who's also pretty blunt and says what she thinks.
    131AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:31
    It's less about a "strong sense of justice" — announcers are mostly fresh grads from good families, so there tend to be a lot of relatively serious, naive people among them.
    If they don't properly keep them separate from entertainers who've clawed their way up on talent and connections and have seen it all, the same kind of incident is just going to happen again.

    Background and Key Points

    Nagisa Watanabe belongs to a very specific Japanese career track: the “announcer” (anaunsā), a generalist broadcaster hired straight out of university through an intensely competitive in-house exam, distinct from freelance TV person850alities. Fuji TV is one of Japan’s five major commercial networks, and in the past two years it has been under unusual scrutiny — the “third-party committee’s report” one poster references is part of the network’s own scandal-driven internal investigation, which has made any former Fuji announcer’s public comments about the company read very differently than they would have a few years ago. The “20-hour workday” claim also taps into “black company” (burakku kigyō) discourse, the widely used shorthand for employers who flout Japan’s work-hour norms — a live social issue since labor-reform laws capped overtime in 2019.

    The thread didn’t split over whether TV stations are dysfunctional; almost everyone agreed harassment and brutal hours are real. It split over Watanabe herself: whether her framing counts as legitimate whistleblowing on an industry that deserves it, or whether a former employee turned YouTuber packaging “industry criticism” as job-hunting content is just monetizing grievance — several posters bluntly predicted it would cost her future bookings.

    What’s easy to misread from outside Japan is the “20-hour” detail: posters familiar with broadcast schedules noted it likely describes an every-other-day rotation (one long shift, one day off), not a nightly occurrence — a distinction the original video apparently glossed over and casual readers would miss entirely. The unresolved side controversy over her denying attending an announcer prep school, despite being listed by two such schools, went unexplained by anyone in the thread beyond speculation about timing.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Geinou/Sports Breaking News+) thread ““People with a strong sense of justice aren’t suited to TV stations” “There’s all kinds of power harassment and sexual harassment” — Nagisa Watanabe’s job-hunting video “TV industry criticism” sparks controversy… [Ailuropoda melanoleuca★].”

  • Switch 2 Weekly Sales Drop to Half of the Original Switch’s — 5ch: “It’s Below Everything”

    On 5ch’s Hardware/Industry (Geha) board, a thread noting that Switch 2’s weekly sales have fallen to roughly half of the original Switch’s peak sparked a heated, occasionally testy discussion.

    The talk spiraled into comparisons of PS5’s worldwide cumulative sales and Nintendo vs. Sony earnings, with opinions clashing — “it’s hopeless unless they cut the price,” “does Nintendo even plan to do anything about this?”

    1AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:21
    202 Anonymous (Desperate) 2026/08/27 (Thu) 22:19:18.38 ID:70fRnfCI0
    The original Switch's weekly sales record:
    apparently it never dropped below 40,000+ units even during its 2nd-year summer break (July-Aug).
    15AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:40
    Re: #1
    Forget July-August — it's below every single week's sales.
    16AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:41
    Re: #15
    Oof 🤦
    17AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:43
    PS5's at 100 million worldwide, after all.

    Meanwhile Switch 2 is completely dead in Europe.
    Japan's starting to look shaky too.
    18AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:46
    Re: #17
    The real PS5 number is 40 million.
    30AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:08
    Re: #17
    So what was PS5's worldwide cumulative total at that same roughly 1-year-2-month mark?
    Don't tell me it's below the now-slumping Switch 2…
    Launched Nov. 2020, and as of March 2021 it was at about 7.8 million worldwide… that's barely selling at all lol
    27AnonymousAug 27, 2026 22:57
    Nobody needs consoles anymore, just pull out of the business already.
    Nintendo and Sony should both go all-in on PC and mobile.
    28AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:00
    Re: #27
    Not gonna happen 🤦
    37AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:14
    For some reason everyone's assuming Nintendo won't do anything about this at all.

    Do people really think they'll just sit there twiddling their thumbs going "ugh, it's not selling" forever lol
    62AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:24
    Re: #37
    Wasn't "Raiders" supposed to be their countermeasure?
    It just barely moved any hardware, that's all…
    40AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:15
    Re: #38
    Nice.
    That's peak echo-chamber energy right there.
    43AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:18
    Re: #40
    Put more bluntly, nothing will work unless they revise the price.
    That's the "Ambassador effect" for you (a nod to the 3DS's early price-cut compensation program).
    45AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:19
    Re: #43
    Price isn't really the issue though?
    PS5, which is cheaper than Switch 2, isn't selling either.
    46AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:19
    Re: #45
    Already sold.

    100 million worldwide.
    49AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:20
    Sony's saying PS5 has already hit its adoption ceiling, so from here on they'll only set "rational" pricing.
    50AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:21
    Re: #47
    Gave up.

    Per Re: #49.
    51AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:21
    Re: #49
    Software's not selling though, is it?
    52AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:21
    Re: #50
    Ah, that's a shame.
    54AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:22
    Re: #52
    Can't refute that, huh!!
    55AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:23
    Re: #54
    Why would "I gave up" need a rebuttal lol
    60AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:24
    Re: #55
    Huh? Wasn't your whole point "Nintendo's obviously going to break out of this slump!"?
    53AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:21
    So basically, the one who's cornered right now is Nintendo!!
    57AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:23
    Re: #53
    Isn't it distribution that's cornered? They've been screwing up nonstop ever since the bomb threat.
    59AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:23
    Re: #51
    Sony's given up on selling software and switched to a slash-and-burn model — making money off online fees and PS Plus instead.
    It's profitable now, but there's no future in it.
    65AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:25
    Re: #59
    Meanwhile Nintendo can't even pull off the slash-and-burn model, because the hardware isn't selling lol
    66AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:26
    Re: #60
    So the premise here is that Nintendo will never make any more software and will never touch pricing except to raise it, right?

    And you replied "yep, that's right" to that — so isn't this conversation already over?
    68AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:27
    Re: #63
    Even counting Nintendo's low-overhead, high-margin income like movies, USJ, and Pokémon Centers, they're still losing to Sony's gaming division alone lol
    69AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:28
    Re: #68
    So why does that mean giving up on Japan lol
    Use those profits to make Japanese users happy instead lol
    76AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:30
    Re: #69
    They're using that money to make stuff like Concord lolol
    Or so I hear lolol
    79AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:32
    Re: #76
    I'd get it on some other country's board, but seeing people cheerlead Sony's earnings on a Japanese forum just looks ridiculous.
    92AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:38
    Re: #90
    That's correct.
    This is happening because you're running away from the argument.
    95AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:40
    Re: #92
    Isn't that for everyone else to judge, not you?
    98AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:41
    Re: #95
    Re: #97

    Just booted up my PC, so I'll take as many rebuttals as you've got.
    99AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:42
    Re: #98
    The conclusion's already been reached lol
    I didn't reply because I wanted to argue.

    I haven't even denied anything, to begin with.
    100AnonymousAug 27, 2026 23:42
    Re: #98

    91: Anonymous (Desperate) 2026/08/27 (Thu) 23:38:24.30 ID:EcZv56b50
    Re: #1
    W-H-A-T I-S "Kobon"???

    Background and Key Points

    Switch 2’s launch price was ¥49,980, and Nintendo positioned it as a premium successor to the original Switch, which shipped in March 2017 at ¥29,980 and went on to sell over 150 million units worldwide, making it one of the best-selling consoles in history. The original Switch’s weekly sales famously never dipped below roughly 40,000 units even during its second summer, a low-demand season for Japan (many households defer big purchases to year-end and new-fiscal-year gift cycles). “Kobon” in the thread title is shorthand for a “small box” bundle/discount promotion Nintendo ran to try to reinvigorate sales — the original poster’s joke is that even that bump wasn’t enough to keep Switch 2 above the old console’s worst weeks.

    The thread’s real fault line isn’t whether Switch 2 sales have slowed — everyone agrees they have — but whether that decline is a crisis unique to Nintendo or simply the industry-wide new normal for console hardware. One camp treats PS5’s 100 million cumulative figure as proof Sony is thriving and Nintendo is uniquely struggling; others push back by pointing out PS5 had barely sold 7.8 million units at the same point in its lifecycle, which undercuts any apples-to-apples comparison. A second dispute is over what “fixing” the problem would even look like: price cuts, more software, or accepting a Sony-style pivot to service revenue.

    What’s likely to confuse outside readers is that PS5’s 100 million figure spans nearly six years globally, while Switch 2 is barely a year old — comparing raw cumulative totals across such different console ages is misleading, and no one in the thread actually adjusts for that. Also uncorrected: Nintendo’s hardware margins and revenue mix (Pokémon, theme parks, movies) differ structurally from Sony’s software/services-driven model, so “losing” to Sony’s gaming division on paper doesn’t necessarily mean Nintendo’s console strategy has failed.

    *This article is compiled as excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hardware/Industry [Geha]) thread “[Sad News] Switch 2’s trend in Japan: despite the “Subura Kobon Effect,” it’s back down to half of the original Switch 😭“.