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  • Schau Essen Sausages Cut From 6 to 5 Per Pack — Why Did ‘We Won’t Lose to the Times’ Spark Backlash?

    Ito Ham cutting the number of sausages in its “Schau Essen” packs from 6 to 5 — and announcing the change with the slogan “We won’t lose to the times” — sparked online discussion, with many suspecting the company had dressed up a de facto price hike in upbeat marketing language. The source article, by IT journalist Shuji Shinohara, argues the real problem wasn’t the price hike itself but how it was communicated. The 5ch thread kicked off with a tangent about why this story landed on the Entertainment/Sports Breaking News+ board, then moved into criticism of the gap between the slogan and reality, comments noting that price hikes are all but inevitable given the weak yen and rising costs, and speculation that other products like Jagarico might be quietly shrinking too.

    Schau Essen Goes From 6 to 5 — Why Did “We Won’t Lose to the Times” Spark Backlash? The Real Problem Was How the Price Hike Was Communicated (Shuji Shinohara) – Expert – Yahoo! News

    Shuji Shinohara, IT Journalist

    Wed, Oct 7, 5:05 AM

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:21
    What part of this is even 'Entertainment/Sports' news?
    26AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:24
    Re: #4
    Schau Essen 👉 sausage 👉 'Eat my sausage!' 👉 Johnny's talent agency 👉 Entertainment/Sports board (the chain of free-association that explains why this landed on the entertainment board)
    7AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:22
    Next thing you know Jagarico will be down to 6 sticks too.
    77AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:30
    Re: #7
    I'm pretty sure Jagarico already quietly got shorter without telling anyone.
    11AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:22
    Poor people should just buy the soft, mushy kind of sausage — the cheap stuff that comes packed with a ton in the bag. Schau Essen is for people who actually pay proper money.
    12AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:23
    When you factor in stealth price hikes like this, ordinary people are getting hit by the weak yen and rising prices even harder than the official numbers suggest.
    13AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:23
    Re: #1
    Is this really Entertainment/Sports news?
    Shouldn't this be on News Speed+ instead?
    15AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:23
    My Schau Essen downstairs is about to lose to the times too (yeah, that kind of joke).
    16AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:23
    Wouldn't it have been better to shrink the sausages instead of cutting the count?
    17AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:23
    Just never admit you lost!
    JAAAAAA lol
    19AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:23
    Having to raise the price at all means you already lost, right? So what exactly are they trying to 'win' against anyway?
    20AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:24
    There are people getting mad about this here too, apparently.
    21AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:24
    If my landlord raised the rent with this same energy, I'd want to punch someone.
    22AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:24
    Re: #1
    'We won't lose to the times!'

    And then… cut one sausage to boost the meaty texture.

    …makes zero sense.
    23AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:24
    I wish they'd release a long version of Schau Essen.
    They're too short for hot dogs,
    and stuffing two in there just kills the vibe.
    42AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:26
    Re: #23
    They already make one —
    there's also the extra-thick Big Schau Essen.
    25AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:24
    You won't die eating plain pasta with just salt on it.
    But pasta is imported from overseas using gasoline too, so it'd be weird if it didn't get pricier as well.
    27AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:24
    That's such a dumb slogan, as always.
    30AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:25
    They should've just raised the price normally.
    This lame marketing stunt tanked their stock.
    31AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:25
    Some ad agency (Dentsu or whoever) probably came up with this.
    32AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:25
    Schau Essen used to be the taste of the common people, and now it's become a luxury item.
    We've really gotten poorer.
    34AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:25
    Can someone explain the logic here?
    If you're not losing to the times, shouldn't you keep the price the same and add more, not less?
    45AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:26
    Re: #34
    Koukun is tasty though (a rival sausage brand by Marudai).
    35AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:25
    This doesn't even need a deep analysis.
    They actually lost, but slapped on a slogan pretending they hadn't, so people are mocking them.
    That's literally it.
    36AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:25
    Re: #1
    If only the times had gone a bit easier on them…
    38AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:25
    They're gonna get flamed no matter what they do, so who cares.
    39AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:26
    Re: #1
    They must've known this wouldn't land well with consumers.
    There's probably some other motive here — like wanting to boost brand awareness even if it means going viral for the wrong reasons.
    40AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:26
    Re: #1
    'Defeated by poverty~ no, defeated by the world~' (a riff on the lyrics of ZARD's 'Makenaide')
    41AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:26
    Advertising the fact that you're cutting the quantity is just dumb.
    Do it quietly.
    46AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:26
    If anything they should be increasing the quantity —
    this way, they're the ones losing to the times.
    49AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:27
    Six sausages used to split evenly between 2 or 3 siblings,
    and buying two packs covered a family of 4 or 6 too.
    55AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:27
    Cut the budget you're paying the ad agency that came up with this cringe slogan, and keep the actual contents the same instead 🥺
    64AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:28
    Re: #55
    Lol fair point, that's hilarious
    79AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:31
    We reduced the count for the sake of our valued customers.
    90AnonymousOct 7, 2026 13:32
    Re: #79
    Honestly, a slogan as blunt as 'Go on a diet, fatty' alongside the count cut might've gone over better.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    Schau Essen has been Ito Ham’s flagship sausage since the 1980s, with a six-link pack long established as the standard. Keeping the price the same while quietly cutting the actual quantity — as happened here — is known as a “stealth price hike” or “shrinkflation,” a tactic that’s become increasingly common across the food industry amid rising raw material and import costs. What divided opinion in the thread wasn’t the price increase itself, but the contradiction between the slogan “We won’t lose to the times” and the reality that cutting the count is, in effect, a step backward. While the mismatch between a “we haven’t lost” tagline and an actual reduction in quantity drew plenty of mockery, a smaller number of commenters pointed to the structural backdrop of a weak yen and rising prices, arguing the real issue lies with monetary and pricing policy rather than with the company itself. Read in isolation, the quoted replies might look like simple backlash against a price hike, but the core of Shinohara’s argument is about “how it was communicated” — it’s worth noting that the main driver of the backlash wasn’t the change in quantity or price itself, but the discomfort caused by dressing it up in upbeat PR language.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Entertainment/Sports Breaking News+) thread “Schau Essen Goes From 6 to 5 — Why Did “We Won’t Lose to the Times” Spark Backlash? The Real Problem Was How the Price Hike Was Communicated (Shuji Shinohara).”

  • Yuka Kageyama Stunned by Her First-Ever Commentary Booth — It Had a ‘Shoten’-Style Spinning Chair

    On October 5, Japan’s national team defeated New Zealand 2-1 in the Kirin Cup final, claiming their 12th title and first in 15 years. The live broadcast on TV Asahi became a hot topic when Yuka Kageyama, known for her love of soccer, sat in the commentary booth for the first time in her life — and revealed that her chair was designed like the spinning seats from the popular variety show ‘Shoten.’ On 5ch, opinions were divided: some praised her as ‘cute,’ while others voiced sharp criticism over a TV personality occupying a commentary slot and pointed out her past verbal slip-ups.

    Yuka Kageyama stunned during Japan’s national soccer match: “I thought it was a dream — in more ways than one.” Her first-ever commentary seat was a hilarious ‘Shoten-style’ setup — “What is even happening here?” “Yamada-kun, bring the cushion…!”

    On October 5, Japan’s national soccer team defeated New Zealand 2-1 in the Kirin Cup final at MUFG National Stadium, winning their 12th title and first in 15 years.

    In the live broadcast on the TV Asahi network, the soccer-loving actress who drew attention during the North/Central America World Cup shared exclusive behind-the-scenes footage.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:42
    https://up.gc-img.net/post_img/2026/06/5FzvyPlvaep5Kbk_sL3m6_60.jpeg
    28AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:52
    Re: #3
    Something scary about these two
    8AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:44
    Don't know much about her, but isn't she the one with an IQ high enough to join Mensa? Or am I thinking of someone else?
    69AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:41
    Re: #8
    Not sure about the IQ, but she graduated from a Tsukuba University affiliated school, so she's definitely top-tier smart.
    9AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:44
    I'm a baseball fan ('yakibuta' — soccer fans' derisive nickname for us), but I'll give credit where it's due: Kageyama Yuka really is cute.
    11AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:45
    Re: #1
    Aren't they hyping this girl up a bit too much?
    12AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:45
    Kageyama's probably after Tomiyasu, but
    thanks to 'Main' (her nickname), the bar for dating a national team player just got even higher.
    19AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:48
    Re: #12
    Look at it from another angle —
    thanks to 'Main', the value of being a national team player just went up even more,
    that's the take.
    21AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:49
    Re: #12
    Japanese people have only ever been fed restrictive, slave-like language since compulsory education onward,
    so they've picked up negative phrasing and end up strangling themselves with it.
    14AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:46
    As long as it's not a stacking chair with casters, it just barely passes.
    15AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:46
    She's basically taken over the entire 'female soccer talent' slot.
    16AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:46
    This dumb girl said stuff like this at halftime:
    'Their long-cherished opening goal~' (should be 'long-awaited')
    'It's a 0-0 draw so far' (should be 'tied' — the match wasn't over yet)
    17AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:47
    Thinking about how it'd look on TV from the outside,
    that's probably why they went with this kind of setup.
    18AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:48
    Okay, I think we're done with this girl
    the World Cup's over, so next she should go do baseball.
    23AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:50
    Re: #18
    Baseball's already covered by Nogizaka46 —
    they've got a member getting coached by Satozaki and Komiyama.
    25AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:50
    Re: #18
    For baseball, go with Makino Maria instead.
    22AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:50
    Isn't this woman going to marry a soccer player or something?
    55AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:28
    Re: #22
    Aren't they already dating or something? lol
    83AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:07
    Re: #22
    Why do soccer players always end up with celebrities?
    Japanese soccer won't get stronger unless the players marry athletes instead.
    30AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:53
    Well, I doubt the chair manufacturer wanted it used like this lol
    38AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:11
    Kageyama-chan really is cute
    https://soccerdigestweb.thedigestweb.com/v=1791207854/files/topics/198081_ext_01_1.jpg
    40AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:14
    I first found out about her from some show where she and Ucchi were walking around town together, just the two of them —
    she was all over Ucchi and seemed like exactly the type other women would hate.
    During the commentary, a lot of middle-aged guys seemed to be projecting themselves onto Ucchi and getting excited, so she'll probably go over well with men.
    45AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:15
    Re: #40
    Women's jealousy is way too scary, man.
    47AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:19
    Re: #40
    Being hated by middle-aged Uchida fangirls probably doesn't bother her one bit.
    92AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:51
    Re: #40
    'Her favorite reads are Josei Jishin and FLASH' (Japanese gossip tabloids) —
    okay, that's as far as I read. (internet meme for 'not reading further')
    76AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:49
    Honestly, her highlight commentary during halftime was pretty good.
    Wait, is she being bundled as a package deal with Uchida or something?
    These two have basically been a duo ever since the World Cup.
    89AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:31
    Re: #76
    They're business partners who've appeared together like 100 times, mostly on DAZN and TV Asahi.

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Yuka Kageyama is a soccer-loving TV personality who drew attention during coverage of the North/Central America World Cup, and this was her first time doing commentary for a Japan national team match. The ‘Shoten-style’ refers to the rotating cushion seats used by panelists on the popular variety show ‘Shoten,’ and because the commentary booth’s chair closely resembled it, jokes about the cushions spread throughout the thread. Opinions in the thread were split because comments praising her soccer knowledge and personality clashed with ones criticizing the practice of giving commentary slots to TV personalities and pointing to past verbal slip-ups (such as saying ‘draw’ instead of ‘tied’). Though not mentioned in the article itself, bringing celebrities onto sports broadcasts has become increasingly common in recent years, and this is one example of the recurring debate over how that role should be divided with professional commentators.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Geinou Sports Hayabusa+) thread ‘[Entertainment] Yuka Kageyama stunned — during Japan’s national soccer match: “I thought it was a dream, in more ways than one” — her first-ever commentary seat was a hilarious ‘Shoten’-style setup.’

  • World Oil Inventories Nearing Depletion — 5ch: ‘Heating Oil Is a Matter of Life and Death’

    According to Reuters, oil inventories around the world that act as a buffer against supply disruptions are nearly depleted, industry executives said at a conference in London. The report notes that market vulnerability is rising and putting upward pressure on prices. On 5ch, the thread discussed the underlying factors — the situations in Ukraine and Iran, rising transport costs around the Strait of Hormuz, and the slow pace of EV adoption. Residents of cold regions, who rely on heating oil for heat and hot water, voiced concerns about prices this winter.

    10/7 (Wed) 7:13 AM

    Reuters

    [LONDON, Oct 6 (Reuters)] – Oil inventories available to supply world markets are nearing depletion, increasing market vulnerability and putting upward pressure on prices, industry executives said at a conference in London this week.

    Source: topics.smt.docomo.ne.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:39
    Hey Trump, quit it already
    3AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:40
    Re: #2
    Putin too, right?
    Just end the war already…
    137AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:46
    Re: #2
    Feels like they'll blame Trump for everything
    6AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:41
    This was probably supposed to be a package deal with EVs
    But EVs turned out so disappointing that the whole plan's a mess
    101AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:27
    Re: #6
    Yeah, that sounds about right
    No way hybrids can win
    EVs themselves are still immature, but they rushed ahead chasing sales numbers
    109AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:32
    Re: #101
    Immature? It's a mature, well-established technology
    What fantasy are you living in?
    205AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:38
    Re: #101
    It was already concluded before the war that it's hopeless until roads can supply power directly like in F-Zero.
    The fact that no military vehicles use it proves the point.
    7AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:42
    Come to think of it, we can barely get through 'Hor-Hor' (5ch slang for the Strait of Hormuz) and yet there's no oil crisis?
    12AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:43
    Re: #7
    Apparently small ships pass through the Strait of Hormuz
    and transfer their cargo to large tankers once outside the strait
    They can still get through, but it costs more than before
    102AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:27
    Re: #7
    Restrictions on heating oil procurement look likely, and the price of naphtha (an oil-derived product) has roughly doubled, so costs are clearly up. The government's spending 200 billion yen a month just to hold gasoline at 170 yen — if you still want to insist that's not a crisis, be my guest
    17AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:44
    I wonder how much a liter of heating oil will cost this winter
    For people in cold regions, this is literally life or death
    153AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:59
    Re: #17
    Exactly
    I'm buying thick loungewear so I don't have to use heating oil
    18AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:45
    Europe, China, and Biden were pushing EVs anticipating exactly this situation
    27AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:51
    Re: #18
    Oil goes into all kinds of things, even tires and parts, so 'getting off oil' is a fantasy
    107AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:30
    Re: #18
    Don't talk nonsense, idiot
    34AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:54
    The moment Iran's done for, gas prices will crash
    Can't wait
    37AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:56
    Re: #34
    No way that's happening
    43AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:01
    US crude reserves plummeting

    Trump starts saying 'We're not selling to Japan anymore'

    Takaichi is done for
    55AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:07
    Re: #43
    Totally plausible
    Is Japan even invested in it? He'd probably just say 'who cares'
    47AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:03
    I live in Tohoku.
    What's going to happen with heating oil this winter?
    Heating, hot water, all of it runs on kerosene.
    54AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:07
    Re: #47
    Might be worth switching to a new heater
    An electric one
    49AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:05
    WTI crude futures trending down at $90
    53AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:06
    Re: #49
    Huh?

    It's going up though
    50AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:05
    It's Iran, basically — just go ahead and use nukes already, end this
    187AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:23
    Re: #50
    Even if you win with nukes, you can't rebuild afterward, so oil production would crash
    51AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:05
    They said Ukraine would end quickly too
    Still no end in sight
    56AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:08
    Re: #51
    It's really dragging on, dunno what they're even doing
    Maybe both sides are too worn down to push forward?
    52AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:06
    Saudi Arabia's stoking fears of a crisis
    but the market's staying calm
    62AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:11
    Re: #52
    The pipeline they repaired got attacked again and is shut down.
    The media isn't reporting it though.
    That's why they're quietly expanding exports by shipping oil out via the Hormuz side instead.
    For now it's fine because Iran's letting it slide.
    144AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:52
    It's a crisis threatening the nation's survival, yet the SDF won't go to the Strait of Hormuz
    146AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:53
    Re: #144
    We're still living normally though?
    163AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:06
    Re: #144
    >It's a crisis threatening the nation's survival, yet the SDF won't go to the Strait of Hormuz
    Go to Hormuz and do what, exactly?
    If a US carrier fleet can't even make a dent, what could the SDF possibly do?
    Though I guess they could ally with Iran and wipe out the US military… maybe
    189AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:23
    Iran's oil tanks are about to fill up and explode
    204AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:38
    Meanwhile, Japan:

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Oil “inventories” refer to the volume actually circulating on the market, separate from producer countries’ spare production capacity or consumer nations’ strategic petroleum reserves — the thinner these inventories get, the more easily prices spike from even a temporary supply disruption. This report comes against a backdrop of overlapping supply risks: restricted flows of Russian crude due to the Ukraine war, tensions around the Strait of Hormuz tied to the Iran situation, and attacks on pipelines. In the thread, opinions clashed between those who thought the shift to EVs was supposed to reduce oil dependence, and those who argued that getting off oil is a fantasy as long as oil-derived parts like tires remain. In Japan, many cold regions rely on heating oil for heat and hot water, so it’s easy to overlook how rising crude prices hit daily infrastructure even more directly than they hit transport fuel.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “[Energy] World oil inventories nearly depleted as buffer against supply disruptions.”

  • Who Coined It First? The Debate Over the Origins of ‘Dasai’ (Lame) and ‘Ecchi’ (Naughty)

    It starts with the claim that “boin” (slang for big breasts) was popularized by Kyosen Ohashi and “Tabasco” by Antonio Inoki, while “dasai” (uncool/lame) is famously said to have been coined by Tamori when he mocked Saitama — though some pointed out the word existed even earlier. “Ecchi” (naughty/lewd) is said to have originated in the 1950s as schoolgirl slang, spreading into common use after appearing in Seiichi Funahashi’s newspaper serial novel. In the 5ch thread “Who made this word popular,” users nominated “originators” for various buzzwords — dasai, chuunibyou (delusions of grandeur typical of middle schoolers), oshi (one’s favorite idol/character), hinnyuu (small breasts), and more — sparking an ongoing debate over where folklore ends and historical fact begins.

    1AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:21
    Boin (slang for big breasts) — Kyosen Ohashi
    Tabasco — Antonio Inoki
    Oolong tea — Pink Lady
    3AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:22
    Isn't Kyosen Ohashi more famous for his catchphrase "Nanchuka Honchuka" (his trademark nonsense line)?
    5AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:28
    And people seem to have completely forgotten that "boin" was originally about actress Yukiji Asaoka.
    6AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:30
    Who actually started saying "dasai"? Whoever it was deserves some real credit.
    8AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:34
    The "chuunibyou" term Ijiin coined is huge — it's so internationally known that even foreign anime otaku get it.
    85AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:49
    Re: #8
    Doesn't the "chuunibyou" Hikaru Ijiin used on the radio some 30 years ago have a different nuance from the "chuunibyou" that's everywhere now?
    10AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:36
    "Dasai" is Tamori — it started when he coined "Dasaitama" for Saitama.
    27AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:27
    Re: #10
    You think the etymology of "dasai" is "Dasaitama"? That word's been around since before that.
    13AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:41
    There are tons of words that were only used in Kansai comedy circles that Matsumoto popularized nationwide, but something he actually originated himself from scratch would have to be like "sakagire" (flying into a counter-rage when called out).
    14AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:43
    Young Tamori used to just talk trash about everyone.
    15AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:47
    Tamori didn't debut until he was past 30, so during his actual "young" years he was still a nobody.
    16AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:56
    Saw the thread title, went to post "boin," and someone already beat me to it.
    18AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:58
    The usage "ecchi suru" (to have sex) is said to date from the 1980s onward, and on variety shows it's believed Sanma Akashiya or Shinsuke Shimada said it first.
    19AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:03
    [Deep-rooted grudge] Why my 88-year-old grandfather still hasn't forgiven Tamori → because about 35 years ago he dissed Saitama as "Da-Saitama" (Lame-tama)
    https://rocketnews24.com/2017/06/15/914005/
    23AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:14
    "Kannin-bukuro no o ga kireru" (one's patience-bag string snapping) is an old set phrase — "kireru" isn't new.
    28AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:33
    "Nice desu ne~" — that guy's an alum of my old school.
    29AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:34
    Re: #25
    "Ecchi da naa" (how naughty) — I wonder if young people even say that anymore.
    30AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:36
    Doesn't the comedy duo Unchan Nanchan have something they coined too?
    32AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:37
    I'm 48 years old and this is the first time I've ever heard the name Seiichi Funahashi — is he actually famous?
    33AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:37
    "Dasai" existed before, but Tamori is the one who got it to spread through society at large.
    35AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:39
    "Oshi" (one's favorite idol) is an AKB thing, right?
    38AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:42
    Re: #35
    Hello! Project fans didn't use that term back then.
    77AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:39
    Re: #35
    Gen Z: "Is it true the word 'oshi' didn't exist back in the day? What did people call it instead?"
    Showa-era guy: "(…what DID we call it again?)"
    https://kizuna.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/morningcoffee/1702067320/
    36AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:39
    I heard "dasai" has been around since the Edo period — but who's this "Maehara" guy?
    37AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:42
    Around 1952, taking the "H" from "hentai" (meaning perverted), it came into use among Japanese schoolgirls as slang to (disparagingly) refer to someone lewd or indecent.
    It's said to have caught on with the general public after appearing in Seiichi Funahashi's newspaper serial novel "Shiroi Magyo" (The White Demon Fish), published in the Asahi Shimbun from 1955 to 1956.
    40AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:47
    Jun Miura is the one who started calling virgins "DT" (an abbreviation of doutei, meaning virgin).
    41AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:48
    I wonder who gets credit for popularizing "Acchi Muite Hoi" (a rock-paper-scissors-plus-point-and-dodge game).
    43AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:50
    Apparently it originally came from Sanshi and got big in Kansai before spreading from there.
    44AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:51
    The word "hin-nyuu" (small breasts) was first used in reference to actress Rio Hazuki.
    48AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:10
    Hold on a second — "Dasaitama" presupposes the word "dasai" already existing, right? So it can't actually have originated with Tamori.
    58AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:25
    Re: #48
    "Dasai" itself is tied to Saitama — it's short for "datte Saitama" (well, you're from Saitama).
    59AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:26
    Re: #48
    Sure, that's true, but since the etymology of "dasai" isn't clear-cut, that's probably why some people just assume that's it.
    49AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:11
    "Suberu" (bombing a joke), "itai" (cringe), "kuuki yome" (read the room) — I'd guess those are Downtown's doing.
    50AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:11
    "Tataite Kabutte Janken Pon" (the kids' hit-it-or-cover-it game) is Sanshi's.
    51AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:14
    "Itai" (cringe) has been around since way before that — guys like Tamio Kageyama were already using it.
    63AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:28
    Re: #58
    That theory is about as credible as the "inakai" (country-bumpkin) theory.
    67AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:30
    Re: #63
    When the Saikyo Line opened, Ikebukuro got flooded with people from Saitama, so it started as "you're from Saitama too" aimed at folks pretending to be real Tokyoites.
    76AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:39
    Re: #67
    That's a just-so explanation tacked on after the fact. Besides, that's not even an adjective form.
    80AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:42
    Re: #67
    That word existed before the Saikyo Line even opened, though.
    73AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:36
    I wonder who started saying "byou de" (in a split second) — everyone uses it now, kids and adults alike, so it'll probably end up in the dictionary eventually.
    75AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:38
    Re: #73
    I've never once used that one.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    Hunting down “who made this word popular” is a classic 5ch pastime, but it’s also a topic where folk theories spread easily since the actual first usage is rarely confirmed with any certainty. In this thread, theories about the origin of “dasai” ran side by side — the theory that Tamori coined it while mocking Saitama, the theory that it’s short for “datte Saitama,” and even the theory that the word predates both — and no consensus was ever reached. The same goes for “ecchi”: the thread recounts how it originated in the 1950s as schoolgirl slang before spreading into common use via Seiichi Funahashi’s newspaper serial novel, but this is a textbook case of conflating one person’s individual contribution with a word’s natural spread due to the era’s circumstances. What readers should watch out for is that most of these “who said it first” claims aren’t verified historical fact — they’re folk etymologies repeated online again and again. Posters in the thread kept offering conflicting theories, and no one ever settled which one was actually correct.

    ※This article is an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Who Made It Popular: “Gu” (rock) first by Ken Shimura, “batsuichi” (divorced once) by Sanma Akashiya, “chomechome” (censored risqué talk) by Shingo Yamashiro, “ecchi suru” by Seiichi Funahashi, “kireru” (snapping/losing it) by Hitoshi Matsumoto“.

  • Western Whisky Giants’ Market Cap Cut in Half — 5ch: “Macallan 18 Now Costs ¥80,000”

    Nikkei reports that the combined market capitalization of four major Western whisky makers — including France’s Pernod Ricard and Britain’s Diageo — has been cut in half over the past three years. The report points to a broader decline in alcohol consumption, especially in the US, with companies scrambling to survive through production cuts, restructuring, and asset sales. But on 5ch, the thread’s attention drifted away from the “struggles of Western giants” and toward how much Japanese favorites like Yamazaki, Hibiki, Hakushu, and Macallan have shot up in price, with posters trading stories like “Macallan 18 went from ¥7,000 to ¥80,000.” The decline in Western consumption and the shortage-driven price surge of popular Japanese labels are actually unrelated phenomena, but the thread tended to blend the two together.

    [NEW YORK — Hiroko Nishimura; LONDON — Takako Fujiu] As alcohol consumption declines, particularly in the US, major Western whisky makers are facing hard times. The combined market cap of four Western companies, including France’s Pernod Ricard and Britain’s Diageo, has halved over three years. Each company is searching for a path to survival through production cuts, restructuring, and the sale of business units.

    “The wind has changed.” So says Colin Spoelman, co-founder and master distiller of Kings County Distillery, which makes whisky in New York City… (Continues in the paid edition — 1,654 characters remain)

    Nikkei, October 7, 2026, 4:59 AM

    Source: nikkei.com / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:03
    So many Japanese whisky distilleries have popped up lately — wonder what's gonna happen to them all
    9AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:04
    Re: #4
    Yoichi, Miyagikyo, and Taketsuru can all be had at or below retail now without any trouble, so if a distillery doesn't have something distinctive going for it, it's gonna be rough.
    78AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:48
    Re: #4
    More than half of them are probably going under.
    178AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:29
    Re: #4
    Whisky fans all over the world are watching the new distilleries.
    China's desperately catching up right now too.
    The popularity isn't going to fade.

    The real question is what the big makers who jacked prices up to rip-off levels are going to do.
    5AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:03
    I wanna ask someone who's seriously in the know — if you compared it to Yamazaki, what stage are we at exactly???
    97AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:01
    Re: #5
    About the point where Nakagawa Kiyohide and Takayama Ukon seized Mt. Tenno — the decisive turning point (a pun: "Tenozan" is idiomatic for "the crucial turning point," from the 1582 Battle of Yamazaki)
    153AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:18
    Re: #5
    About when Chono showed up (pro wrestler Masahiro Chono — a non-sequitur joke answer)
    8AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:04
    Now that it's come out that booze is the "king of a hundred poisons" instead of the "king of a hundred medicines," it's over.
    17AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:10
    Re: #8
    Back in the day they said drinking a little now and then was healthy, but current research says even small amounts are toxic.
    13AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:06
    Isn't there a highball boom going on though?
    16AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:10
    Re: #13
    Whisky for highballs can just be the cheap stuff.
    Squeeze some lemon in and you can't tell the taste anyway, and the people drinking it aren't paying attention to the taste either.
    19AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:11
    Re: #16
    Honestly a shochu highball would do just fine lol
    181AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:30
    Re: #16
    Put another way, cheap whisky is only drinkable if you turn it into a highball.
    18AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:10
    From a Japanese perspective, prices have gone up like crazy.
    What's Macallan even going for now?
    And honestly, whisky should never be allowed to become a boom product.
    That's exactly what wrecked Taketsuru and Yamazaki.

    The only things that should be allowed to boom are "cheap stuff anyone can mass-produce."
    The genuinely good stuff can't keep up with a sudden spike in demand, and it collapses.
    24AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:13
    Re: #18
    Macallan 18 used to go for about ¥7,000, and now it's running around ¥80,000.
    99AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:03
    Re: #18
    The NHK morning drama "Massan" — credit and blame in equal measure (the 2014 series about Nikka's founder that sparked the Japanese whisky boom)
    20AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:11
    Whisky isn't even that tasty to begin with.
    Well, it's a distilled spirit so it has no carbs — guess that's why people on low-carb diets drink it like crazy.
    73AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:46
    Re: #20
    Who's out here worrying about carbs in their booze, a severe diabetic?
    42AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:25
    Good news for whisky lovers, I guess.
    Prices have just gone up way too much though.
    54AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:33
    Re: #42
    Even so, I doubt they'll cut prices that drastically for branding reasons.
    Once you start discounting, there's no end to it.
    They'll probably just quietly dump the excess stock into blended whisky or sell it off to bottlers instead.
    43AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:27
    Yamazaki, Hibiki, Hakushu — forget about buying those now.
    Even if you did buy one, you'd probably just end up displaying it instead of drinking it.
    76AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:47
    Re: #43
    Up until about 20 years ago you could get the 12-year for ¥5,000-6,000, but at today's prices it kills any desire to buy.
    183AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:33
    Re: #43
    That's the part to watch going forward.
    49AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:32
    Isn't whisky just straight-up gross no matter how you slice it?
    People who say it's delicious are just putting on airs.
    185AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:37
    Re: #49
    That's just because you only know the cheap stuff.
    If you start out with the cheap stuff they sell at convenience stores, you're guaranteed to hate whisky.
    Cheap whisky is for people who don't care if it tastes bad, they just want something to drink (basically for alcoholics).

    If you actually want to know what whisky tastes like, 12 years aged minimum.
    Price-wise, that means at least ¥4,000.
    196AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:21
    Re: #49
    I thought the same thing when I was young.
    Once you get older, you start to appreciate how good whisky actually is.
    51AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:32
    Honestly I'd just rather prices came back down.
    Hakushu, Yamazaki — please drop, get back down to like ¥4,000.
    92AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:56
    Re: #51
    Most Japanese whiskies don't even have much distinctive character anyway.
    You're better off drinking Scotch — cheaper and tastier.
    100AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:05
    Muslims don't drink alcohol, after all.
    Of course the volume of booze being sold is shrinking.
    105AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:15
    Re: #100
    Plenty of them do drink.
    There are a lot of secular Muslims out there, not just the fundamentalist ones.
    111AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:27
    Re: #100
    Apparently in Iran, which people assume is super strict, bootleg liquor is a serious social problem.
    116AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:30
    Highballs are massively popular in Japan though — don't Americans drink highballs?
    They're great made strong.
    159AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:33
    Re: #116
    You're saying it's delicious, but the moment you're diluting it with soda water…
    176AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:19
    Re: #116
    Americans who come to Japan tend to love chu-hai (a canned shochu-and-soda cocktail), especially the lemon kind.
    140AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:52
    Lately gin's the bigger boom compared to whisky, especially all the craft gin popping up around Japan.
    149AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:04
    Re: #140
    Most of that stuff is just expensive without really delivering yet.
    Better to wait until the reviews are in before buying.
    160AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:34
    Re: #140
    Though honestly a lot of places are just selling gin as a stopgap until their whisky is ready to sell.
    It doesn't need barrel aging, after all.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    The Nikkei article at the center of this thread reports that the market capitalization of major Western spirits makers like Pernod Ricard and Diageo has been cut in half over three years, driven largely by a decline in alcohol consumption centered on the US. With health consciousness and declining drinking among younger generations often cited as factors, these companies have been forced into production cuts and divestitures. What actually got the thread fired up, though, was a different issue entirely: Japanese whisky getting too expensive. Many posters shared stories of Yamazaki, Hibiki, Hakushu, and Macallan prices multiplying several times over in just a few years — but that’s a distinctly Japan-specific problem of supply failing to keep up with surging demand, not the same cause as the consumption slump hitting Western majors. It’s worth being careful not to read both stories as a single “whisky industry downturn,” since doing so misses what’s actually going on in each.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Whisky Consumption Slump: Market Cap of Pernod and Other Western Majors Halved, Spurring Industry Realignment.”

  • Nobel Prize in Literature announcement looms — 5ch: “Isn’t this hype only happening here?”

    The Nobel Prize in Literature will be announced at 8 p.m. on October 8. Once again this year, names like Haruki Murakami and Yoko Tawada have been floated as “likely winners,” and the usual thread lit up on 5ch over it. But under Nobel Foundation rules, the list of nominees stays sealed for 50 years after the announcement, so no one outside the committee actually knows who’s really in the running. Rather than excitement, the thread leaned cynical, with comments like “same story every year, I’m sick of it” and “isn’t this hype only happening here?” alongside speculation about how nominees are chosen and whether regional balance plays into the selection.

    The Nobel Prize in Literature will be announced at 8 p.m. on October 8. Based on Alfred Nobel’s will, the prize has long honored literary works with an idealistic bent — so which country’s writer will it spotlight this time? Here’s a look at the authors the world is watching as potential winners.

    ◼ Haruki Murakami

    [Profile] He lived through the student movement era of the 1960s. Early on, he kept society at arm’s length, portraying love, loss, and urban isolation in works like “Norwegian Wood,” which earned him a reputation as a writer of “detachment” (indifference). Later, after experiencing the Great Hanshin Earthquake and the Aum Shinrikyo affair, he wrote nonfiction works such as “Underground,” deepening his “commitment” (engagement) with society. In 2023 he published “The City and Its Uncertain Walls,” a rewrite of a novella he originally wrote in 1980.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:18
    Has Murakami even put out a new book recently?
    59AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:31
    Re: #4
    Kaho (the actress) literally just put one out, though…
    6AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:18
    Why does this guy get hyped as a contender every single year?
    Is this prize some kind of queue you wait your turn for?
    20AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:22
    Re: #6
    Isn't he basically just being mocked at this point?
    Dunno though.
    9AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:19
    Guess it's that time of year again — Nobel season, right alongside Beaujolais Nouveau.
    14AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:21
    Re: #9
    And next up, the Kohaku Uta Gassen lineup announcement (NHK's year-end song contest).
    12AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:20
    Same thing every single year — "will Murakami finally win?" — impressive that people never get tired of it.
    39AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:25
    Re: #12
    It's the trash media's bread and butter.
    They're better off if he never actually wins.
    180AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:22
    Re: #12
    Isn't this hype only happening here (on this board) anymore?
    18AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:21
    Kind of amazing he's been nominated every single year, too.
    41AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:26
    Re: #18
    Whether he's actually a nominee or not is technically supposed to be secret.
    Though sometimes it comes out later — like how Mishima Yukio turned out to have been a nominee after he died.
    72AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:34
    Re: #18
    The records stay sealed for 50 years, so starting around 2056 we'll find out, year by year, who was really nominated back then.
    202AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:40
    Re: #18
    Honestly, he's probably not even nominated.
    It's just the so-called "Harukists" (Murakami fanatics) and the media hyping it up.
    42AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:26
    > Haruki Murakami, Yoko Tawada
    Never read either one, and I've got no plans to.
    46AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:26
    What happens if Ryu Murakami wins by mistake instead?
    126AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:02
    Re: #46
    Stuff like "Topaz" feels more like real Japanese literature to me honestly.
    That prose is incredible.
    Way better than long-winded Haruki.
    47AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:27
    A Japanese writer wins the Nobel Prize in Literature!

    "Finally, Murakami?! …wait, who the hell is Kazuo Ishiguro lol. Even telling me his work was already made into a drama starring Haruka Ayase doesn't ring a bell."
    196AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:38
    Re: #47
    Kazuo Ishiguro is genuinely good.
    Give him a read.

    Re: #185
    Have you read Ishiguro's more avant-garde novels?
    The characters and timeline are a total mess, but you blow through them anyway.
    That's its own kind of talent, I guess.
    51AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:28
    Ah, so he's one of those Harukists (Murakami fanatics) after all.
    89AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:44
    Reading Murakami makes me crave coffee like crazy.
    94AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:47
    Re: #89
    It makes me feel like I'm abroad, even though the setting is Japan.
    93AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:46
    Murakami always throws a sex scene in there, though.
    97AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:48
    Re: #93
    If we're counting that, "The Dancing Girl of Izu" does the same thing.
    139AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:07
    The Harukists gathering again?
    Isn't this basically turning into a retirement home at this point?
    145AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:09
    Re: #139
    Last year too, they gathered at a few spots and it made the news.
    141AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:07
    Murakami's sold plenty already — does he even need a Nobel at this point?
    Also, I honestly think the Nobel should just stick to the natural sciences.
    165AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:15
    Re: #141
    The last thing anyone craves is honor.
    He's dying to get his hands on the Nobel Prize and the Order of Culture.
    144AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:09
    An erotic novelist winning the Nobel Prize in Literature?!
    148AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:10
    Re: #144
    Kawabata Yasunari's "House of the Sleeping Beauties" is about an old man who frequents a cuddle-sleep brothel.
    158AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:13
    The Nobel Peace Prize and Literature Prize are so political and opaque in how they pick winners, there's zero prestige in them lmaooo
    173AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:17
    Re: #158
    For the Literature Prize specifically, it loses its prestige because winners are basically decided by regional rotation.
    That said, lately even within Asia, China and Korea are seen as considerably weaker contenders, so they don't win.
    In fact, even though it's supposedly regional rotation, there was a case where a Japanese-British writer won instead of an actual Japanese national.
    185AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:26
    Does Ishiguro really
    have that much literary value?
    He's a textbook conservative, traditionalist writer.

    In terms of being avant-garde and adventurous,
    I'd say Murakami
    is basically top-tier.

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Under Nobel Foundation rules, the selection process for the Literature Prize stays sealed for 50 years, so there’s generally no way to confirm who was actually nominated. The recurring reports that Murakami is “nominated every year” are mostly based on media speculation and bookmakers’ odds, not information officially confirmed by the Swedish Academy. The thread picked up on this, with some dismissing it as “just the Harukists and the media making noise” while others said they just enjoy it as an annual seasonal tradition — a real split in tone. There was also talk of a “regional rotation” theory, suggesting the committee balances winners by region, but that too is just speculation from the thread, not anything verified. Because the nominee list is kept secret, readers can easily blur the line between being “expected to win” in media coverage and actually being under consideration — that’s the part most prone to misunderstanding.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (News Flash+) thread “Will Murakami or Tawada Win? Nobel Prize in Literature Announcement Nears — The World’s Most-Watched Contenders“.

  • Yoshinori Sato confident he can fix Fujinami’s control problems — 5ch: ‘He’s the next victim’

    Shuntaro Fujinami, recently informed he’s been cut from the roster, is the subject of fresh comments from Yoshinori Sato — known as the “mentor” who developed the command of pitchers like Masahiro Tanaka and Yu Darvish. In a Yahoo News article, Sato said he’s “confident he can fix [Fujinami’s] control issues” and suggested that “his previous coaches probably just couldn’t coach him properly.” The remarks split a 5ch thread between posters debating the technical root causes and those arguing the real problem is Fujinami’s own refusal to take advice. Some pointed out his control was already shaky back in high school, while others suggested he switch from a three-quarter arm slot to a full overhand delivery — the debate never settled on one answer.

    Fujinami Shuntaro, cut from the roster — Yoshinori Sato, “mentor” to Tanaka and Darvish: “There’s a prescription for overcoming his control problems”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    13AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:50
    Apparently he's not even willing to listen to advice, so it doesn't matter how good the coach is — it's hopeless. Unless he genuinely respects the guy, like 'brainwash'-level respect where he'll actually listen, nothing changes.
    22AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:52
    Re: #13
    He'd probably listen now, though.
    14AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:50
    This is the classic 'I alone can tame and control the monster,' says the smug scientist — right before getting eaten first.
    134AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:48
    Re: #14
    Sounds like the plot of some American movie lol
    25AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:53
    What would've happened in the timeline where nobody tried to fix his in-step delivery? (stepping across his body toward home plate)
    57AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:08
    Re: #25
    Fujinami hasn't changed at all since he joined the team, honestly. The in-step thing and Kanemoto's '160' remark have nothing to do with each other.
    30AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:54
    He doesn't listen to anybody, so it's hopeless lol
    59AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:08
    Re: #30
    Nah, Fujinami does listen — he just drops it again almost immediately.
    32AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:54
    Fujinami's ideal self is stuck in his high school days — back then he could control the ball even swinging his arm freely.
    34AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:55
    Re: #32
    Your body changes as you age, and most guys change through getting hurt along the way — but this guy's needlessly durable, so he never even gets that kind of wake-up call.
    33AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:54
    His velocity doesn't even top 155 km/h anymore, so he's turning into a pitcher with zero selling points.
    38AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:56
    Re: #33
    If no control is acceptable, there are guys throwing 160 km/h in the independent leagues too.
    41AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:57
    Until Kuroda chewed him out, I don't recall him being treated as that much of a 'no control' case.
    56AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:08
    The Athletics probably used him best, honestly.
    68AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:11
    Re: #56
    The Athletics just set the mitt dead center and had him throw right down the pipe. When Fujinami throws comfortably like that, even a hittable pitch down the middle doesn't get hit much. I think that's genuinely the right approach for him.
    60AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:08
    Whenever he gets coached into prioritizing control, he gets pounded even by farm-team hitters, so he ends up back to his usual wild pitching — that's been Fuji's pattern for years, right? And he probably figures getting hit all over the place is worse than being erratic-but-fast with the occasional wild pitch.
    69AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:12
    Re: #60
    Not just the last few years — it's been like that since his Hanshin days.
    61AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:08
    Isn't it hopeless unless he drops that three-quarter, 'kamikaze-against-right-handers' delivery?
    70AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:12
    Re: #61
    Exactly. He should switch to a full overhand delivery. That way, even if a pitch slips out, it won't sail into the batter, so he can cut loose at full effort.
    62AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:09
    Why does everyone convince themselves 'I'm the one who can fix Fujinami'? He's the next victim.
    74AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:13
    Re: #62
    I guess velocity and home-run stuff are just irresistible to coaches too.
    67AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:10
    With Fujinami it's less about what's wrong and more about what changed. Through his third year as a pro out of high school, he was at Matsuzaka/Tanaka level.
    72AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:12
    Re: #67
    Even back in high school his pitches were all over the place — he had no control then either.
    73AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:12
    So his Osaka Toin High School days were the real anomaly, huh.
    78AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:15
    Re: #73
    Guys who only ever do practice they're told to do never develop self-direction. For guys like that, you can't hand them autonomy as pros either — you need a coach glued to their side running practice all the way to retirement. It's a vicious cycle, because the more talented a guy is, the longer he can coast purely on assigned practice.
    82AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:16
    If he could still top 160 km/h, I'd get wanting to fix him somehow — but a no-control guy who can't even hit 155 has no value. And his salary's quietly pretty high too.
    104AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:24
    Re: #82
    That's because he was throwing with an AI-coached, control-focused form back then. And he *still* had no control lol
    86AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:18
    If he's still at the stage of fixing his flaws one by one at age 32, how has he even been making a living as a pro this whole time?!
    92AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:19
    Re: #86
    Because his talent far exceeds even Ohtani's.
    91AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:19
    Like Iwamoto said, I feel like the only option left is to give up on the overhand delivery entirely and go full sidearm with the wrist laid flat.
    94AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:20
    Re: #91
    Even sidearm, if a pitch slips out it'll still head toward the batter. Switching to overhand is better — there's no point sticking with three-quarter.
    96AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:21
    Re: #91
    Pretty much anyone could come up with this idea — so why hasn't anyone tried it yet? Is there some reason?
    112AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:33
    Re: #91
    Sounds like it'd just produce a Reiwa-era [modern-day] Hiramoto.
    98AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:23
    He's not going to listen to anyone's advice anyway. I gave up expecting anything from this guy when I saw him going on variety shows nonstop during the offseason the year he went to the majors — sure, he'd put up some decent results, but he's not exactly in a position to be goofing around like that.
    105AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:26
    Re: #98
    He just doesn't have much drive to improve. Even when Ohtani treated him dismissively, he didn't seem to care much.
    103AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:24
    He flat-out ignores even [Toshio] Enatsu, so there's no way he'd listen to guys beneath him.
    107AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:27
    Re: #103
    Well, you probably shouldn't associate with a convicted criminal anyway.
    108AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:27
    Re: #105
    The moment he can't put in the effort and starts making excuses about 'the yips,' that just shows he was that caliber of player to begin with. Sucks for anyone still holding out hope for him, but there it is.
    115AnonymousOct 7, 2026 12:35
    Re: #108
    He can put in effort. The problem is he's got too much talent and no hunger. Ohtani got knocked out at the prefectural tournament; Fujinami won the spring-and-summer national high school championship double. He's still the fastest-throwing Japanese pitcher in the majors even now. I think deep down he's satisfied thinking, 'I'm actually number one, really.'

    Background and Key Points of Debate

    Yoshinori Sato is well-regarded as the coach who developed the command of pitchers like Masahiro Tanaka and Yu Darvish, and his technical instruction carries real credibility. Fujinami, meanwhile, drew attention for his blazing fastball as far back as his Osaka Toin High School days and still holds the record for fastest pitch thrown by a Japanese pitcher in MLB, yet his control problems have never been resolved, whether at the top or farm-team level, since turning pro. The thread split between those who believe “technical adjustments can still fix him” and those who argue the real issue is his attitude — that he won’t take instruction and lacks the drive to improve. The former camp points to concrete mechanical fixes, like switching from a three-quarter arm slot to an overhand or sidearm delivery; the latter notes that numerous coaches have already worked with him without results. It’s also worth noting that, according to some posters, his control was actually never stable even back in high school — so the view that “coaches ruined him after he turned pro” isn’t necessarily the whole story.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Yoshinori Sato: ‘I’m confident I can fix Fujinami’s control, his previous coaches probably just couldn’t coach him properly’.”

  • Juice=Juice’s Inoue Reon Says Only Her Group Feels the ‘Powerhouse School’ Pressure — 5ch Splits, Some Cry ‘She’s Getting Full of Herself, LOL’

    A remark by Juice=Juice’s Inoue Reon in the magazine “Bessatsu Kadokawa Scene 17” has stirred up the Hello! Project board on 5ch. She said, “I think every group has members who work hard, but Juice=Juice is the only one fighting the pressure of being a so-called ‘powerhouse school.’” Many read the comment as her “getting full of herself,” splitting the thread into opposing camps. Defenders point out that Inoue has openly said, ever since her days in Kobushi Factory, that she wanted to reach the top of Hello! Project. Critics, meanwhile, broadened the attack to question the reliability of Juice=Juice’s actual sales figures and social media metrics, and the debate spiraled into comparisons with other groups.

    1AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:01
    From "Bessatsu Kadokawa Scene 17"
    2AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:01
    Wow, she's really full of herself, lol
    33AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:24
    Re: #2
    Rei-Rei's always been like this.
    She's been saying since her Kobushi Factory days that she wanted to reach the top of Hello! Project first.
    4AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:02
    Inoue Rei-Rei: "Every Hello! Project group besides Juice is small-time"
    7AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:04
    I'd love to see her say this with all the Hello! Project members standing right there.
    9AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:07
    Kunio: "I've been saying this all along — Juice=Juice's vibe right now is great, it's on fire, that's awesome, I get it, but there's one thing we absolutely have to worry about: scandal. How much slack there is in that department is the real thing to watch — though 'thing to watch' is definitely the wrong way to put it. Someone really needs to protect Inoue — Inoue Reon. All of UP-FRONT, everyone. I won't say exactly what I mean, Inoue Reon. Just please, protect her, no matter what."
    https://www.youtube.com/live/8R7tk8BLVjE?t=11775s
    29AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:22
    Re: #9
    Seriously?…
    31AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:22
    Re: #9
    Kunio, do you know something we don't? lol
    36AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:30
    Re: #9
    Well, Kobushi Factory was the scandal-prone group, after all.
    17AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:13
    Why not say that to members busting their asses in other groups?
    Tell them: 'Working hard outside of Juice is meaningless and worthless, so just retire.'
    18AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:14
    She never actually wrote 'only Juice' anywhere.
    Is this another smear job by the lying haters twisting her words again? ("anchor-kasu" = slang for anti-fans who cherry-pick quotes to stir drama)
    19AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:15
    Hello! Project isn't a 'powerhouse' — it's more like a faded old glory.
    20AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:15
    It's just the plain truth, honestly.
    Has nothing to do with haters twisting things.
    21AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:15
    I really can't stand this chosen-one mentality of Inoue's.
    34AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:26
    Re: #21
    She's the woman who beat 12.5% survival odds in Kobushi Factory.
    23AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:17
    Re: #1
    She never wrote 'only Juice,' did she?
    Hope people who twist things this maliciously get hit with a massive defamation lawsuit.
    24AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:17
    Juice=Juice must have it tough always being in the spotlight.
    Must be nice for the other groups — nobody in the world cares about them, so zero pressure~
    25AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:18
    I'd get it if Danbara said this, but…
    you joined partway through, didn't you?
    30AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:22
    This is a textbook 'oyaki' bait thread (5ch slang for a thread designed purely to stir up conflict).
    It's nothing but rage-bait meant to pit groups against each other.
    Way too many people taking it seriously lately on Ōkami (the Hello! Project board's nickname).
    35AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:29
    Juice=Juice is seriously aiming for the top of the idol world, after all.
    I get the feeling of not wanting to be lumped in with the rest of the Hello! Project 'idol fan club.'
    37AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:32
    Well, if they end up being a one-hit wonder, you can't really call them a 'powerhouse school,' can you.
    40AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:34
    [Inoue Reon]: The receiving end's ability matters too — so everyone who chose Juice, and me, are…
    excellent, lol


    "The riper the rice ear, the lower it bows."
    — Empress Masako

    Kitagawa:
    The truly great are always the humblest…
    41AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:35
    She's not wrong about anything — what's with everyone losing their minds?
    42AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:36
    So the other groups are just scrappy underdog schools struggling to get by, is that it?
    52AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:41
    Re: #42
    More like the pressure of being told 'you're supposed to be good at this already.'

    I doubt anyone in this thread actually bought the Kadokawa magazine…

    Even before Rei-Rei joined, the group had already been nicknamed the 'Hello! Project Avengers,' and that nickname follows them everywhere. If they ever disappoint, people say 'huh, that's all you've got?' It ties into the same idea that Mifu-chan can't afford to let the Hello! Project name down either.
    47AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:37
    Re: #39
    You only stumble onto trends because you actually dig for them.
    The ones NOT digging are the old-guard fans who never leave Haro Village and don't know what's going on outside it.
    48AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:39
    Re: #47
    Something that just leaks out and goes viral doesn't count as 'digging.'
    That's just finding what already flowed across your SNS feed.
    70AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:55
    For starters, they're not even in the running for the award.
    Their sales numbers are on a totally different level from other groups.
    Most of Juice's "metrics" are just rigged online numbers.
    Their real-world sales are miles apart from AKB or iLIFE.

    "Selling well" means, literally, that something actually has to sell.

    Fake online voting doesn't actually sell anything in the real world.
    71AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:56
    Re: #70
    This is exactly it.
    I get that fans want to hype up their own group, but the other side's fans feel the same way.
    Adults aren't stupid — of course they factor that bias in.
    When it comes down to real numbers, Juice is clearly behind.
    72AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:56
    No way they're getting on Kohaku.
    If just going viral on TikTok got you on Kohaku, iLIFE would get in first.

    Seriously, this.
    If that were the bar, "Kawaikute Gomen" (lit. "Sorry for Being Cute," a TikTok-viral hit) would've already been on Kohaku.

    Seriously, this.
    If that were the bar, Tokisen's "Suki!" would've already been on Kohaku.
    73AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:56
    Re: #72
    Seriously, exactly.
    If Juice alone got picked for this, there'd be a riot.
    74AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:57
    To summarize, it's a jaded jab (and a sneer at the whole situation) that basically means: 'Even if you use a mountain of phones behind the scenes to desperately pad the numbers and fake a massive viral moment, there isn't a single real, living person who actually cares — doesn't that feel hollow to keep doing?'
    76AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:57
    Re: #74
    Seriously, this.

    Even if you pump up your YouTube and TikTok view counts, if it doesn't translate into actual sales, it's pointless.
    It's just pie in the sky (lit. "a rice cake drawn in a picture" — looks good, means nothing).

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    Inoue comes from Kobushi Factory, a predecessor group within Hello! Project, and reportedly declared even back then that she wanted to reach the top of Hello! Project. In the thread, how the quote was framed became a point of contention itself, with opinions split over whether it reads as the strong claim that “only Juice” faces this pressure. The latter half of the discussion expanded into comparisons of actual sales and view-count figures, but no concrete data was ever presented in the thread — every post remained in the realm of speculation and impression. Readers should keep in mind that social media view counts and rankings are a different metric altogether from figures like actual CD sales and live concert attendance.

    ※This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Inoue Reon: ‘I think every group has members who work hard, but Juice=Juice is the only one fighting the pressure of being a so-called “powerhouse school”‘.”

  • Rakuten Photo Leak from Unauthorized Access—Company Denies 100 Million Users Affected; 5ch: ‘I Want to Call in Sick Just to Lock Down My Accounts’

    A thread on 5ch blew up over Rakuten’s data leak. The hackers claim to hold data on 100 million members and released a partial sample to back it up, but Rakuten denies both the claim and the existence of the accounts in question. Meanwhile, media reports confirm that photos and documents were leaked from “Rakuten Drive” due to unauthorized access, leaving it unclear exactly how much of this is confirmed fact. Commenters worried about the impact on brokerage and NISA (Japan’s tax-free investment accounts), while others shared how unnerving it was to realize they had ¥70,000 worth of points alone at risk — reactions split between believing the hackers’ claims and trusting Rakuten’s denial.

    1AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:48
    If the banking and brokerage data got stolen too, that'd be seriously bad.
    2AnonymousOct 7, 2026 08:52
    Feels like leaks are competing to see whose victim count can climb higher.
    4AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:05
    There's been way too much hacking lately.
    Makes you wonder if some core system out there has a backdoor in it.
    5AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:08
    Six months ago Anthropic built something called "Mythos," and it was judged too dangerous to let the public use.
    The experts at the time all agreed on one thing: it was only a matter of time before China built an AI with equivalent power.
    So six months later, what does this surge in breaches tell us?
    At the very least, better put limits on transfers and withdrawals from your accounts… just in case.
    6AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:10
    The moment you're connected to the internet, Uncle Sam's already got all your data anyway—why's everyone making such a fuss? ("アメさん" = slang for "the Americans")
    7AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:11
    Wait, it's not just this "Rakuten Drive" thing?
    8AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:11
    At this point just leak everything and make the data worthless already.
    10AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:15
    There's no way Rakuten actually has 100 million members.
    28AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:57
    Re: #10
    It's probably a cumulative count including people with multiple accounts or re-registrations, duh.
    12AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:17
    Someone should hack an adult video company next and leak the uncensored footage again.
    13AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:18
    This is bad enough that I want to call in sick just to deal with the fallout. Absolute disaster.
    14AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:20
    Sounds like points got leaked too, so if you're hoarding a big balance you should go check.
    Though apparently it's not covered for compensation.
    15AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:27
    The hackers are saying it happened,
    but reports say Rakuten is denying it.
    16AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:29
    A Rakuten Points leak is a big deal—
    you even earn those points at the pharmacy.
    17AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:31
    Management of the Rakuten Point Card

    Article 8 (Management of the Rakuten Point Card)

    Except where the Company is at fault, the Company bears no responsibility for damages suffered by the user due to theft, loss, or damage of the Rakuten Point Card, or due to inadequate management by the user, errors in use, or use by a third party (including, but not limited to, damages resulting from a third party using the Rakuten Point Card before the user completes the suspension procedure).

    https://pointcard.rakuten.co.jp/guidance/restriction/
    19AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:39
    As long as Rakuten Securities, where I keep my NISA, is safe, I don't care about the rest.
    21AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:42
    Changed my password just in case, for now.
    26AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:53
    Someone overseas claimed to have Rakuten's data and released part of it,
    but Rakuten commented that no such thing happened and the exposed accounts don't even exist.
    29AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:57
    Re: #26
    Maybe they just hadn't noticed yet lol
    39AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:10
    Re: #26
    Can we actually trust that?
    27AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:53
    Cyberattack-related data breaches at companies and organizations hit a record high — over 500 cases already this year, matching the past two years combined… AI possibly being used to probe for weaknesses
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/23cc7d620525131de0cf61bc3ae2bba4baaf0a0c
    30AnonymousOct 7, 2026 09:58
    Ugh,
    now everyone's going to find out I've been hoarding a ton of points.
    35AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:05
    Some people go on about fearing an AI uprising,
    but maybe worry more about how many humans are out there misusing it.
    41AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:13
    Photos Leaked from "Rakuten Drive," Documents Too, Due to Unauthorized Access
    https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/32504273/
    47AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:17
    My Amazon account got hit by unauthorized access this year.
    Someone broke in, changed my email (login ID), and I got locked out just like that.
    Normally you'd get an email like "Someone's trying to log in from such-and-such location, is this you?" but I never got anything like that.
    No warning signs at all.

    Well, they ended up restoring it for me after two days, but it was seriously unnerving.
    I had about ¥70,000 in points too.
    50AnonymousOct 7, 2026 10:28
    Re: #47
    How did you catch it so early?
    What happens to accounts you never log into?
    58AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:14
    Unauthorized Access Incidents on the Rise — "Protect Your Own Information," Says Digital Minister Furukawa
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/9a5987a8685ceb8e84ec301374ed4e5ed39bcbab

    At a press conference on the 6th, Digital Minister Toshiharu Furukawa addressed the string of unauthorized-access incidents causing personal data leaks at private companies such as Daiwa Securities, saying, "Cyberattacks aren't just a problem for companies and organizations. Each citizen taking precautions helps prevent harm." He stressed the importance of self-protection, calling on citizens to "keep in mind that you must protect your own information, and cooperate with efforts to prevent damage."
    60AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:17
    Re: #58
    Did the government just surrender to the hackers?
    66AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:23
    These days everything's cashless so your transaction history is huge—
    if it's a small amount, you might not even notice fraudulent use.
    72AnonymousOct 7, 2026 11:32
    Re: #66
    It's fine when the statement clearly spells out "such-and-such store, this item,"
    but sometimes you get entries where you're like "what even is this?"

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    What makes this topic confusing is that two separate events are being discussed at once: the hackers’ claim of a “100-million-member leak,” and the actually reported leak of photos and documents from “Rakuten Drive.” Rakuten denies the former claim and the existence of the data itself, so the 100-million-user leak can’t be treated as confirmed fact. The backdrop includes a string of unauthorized-access incidents this year at private companies such as Daiwa Securities, with disclosed personal-data leaks reaching a record high of over 500 cases, prompting Digital Minister Toshiharu Furukawa to urge citizens to “protect their own information.” Reactions in the thread split between concern over the impact on brokerage and NISA accounts and a more resigned “well, it’s just points” attitude. It’s also easy to overlook that under Rakuten’s terms of service, unauthorized use of a point card isn’t compensated if the user is found to be at fault.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “100 million Rakuten members’ personal data leaked.”

  • Kawashima Mifu: “Whether Hello! Project Is Seen as Amazing Is Up to Us”

    A comment from Juice=Juice’s Kawashima Mifu, published in the idol magazine “Bessatsu Kadokawa Scene 17,” became a hot topic on 5ch’s Hello! Project board. Kawashima said it’s their own activities that will determine whether people end up thinking “Hello! Project is really something” or “Hello! Project is just okay, I guess” — voicing a real sense of responsibility. While the thread showed plenty of agreement with the remark, discussion soon spread to the gap in ability between Juice=Juice and the other groups, and to differing impressions of Hello! Project as a whole. Many posters brought up other groups like HANA and Morning Musume. for comparison, once again making the perceived gap in reputation between Hello! Project groups a talking point.

    1Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 10:55:01.37
    From "Bessatsu Kadokawa Scene 17"
    2Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 10:56:02.64
    So it's not that she HAS responsibility, she just FEELS responsible, huh
    3Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 10:56:36.43
    Pretty gutsy of her, isn't it
    6Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 10:57:04.14
    As the ace, she really gets it
    Guess it's about time she had that kind of resolve
    10Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 10:59:25.60
    Kawashima's really putting in the work
    11Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 10:59:42.64
    Because the future of Hello! Project rests on Juice=Juice
    14Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:02:21.22
    If anything, I feel like people go into other Hello! Project groups assuming "Oh, everyone in Hello! Project must be as amazing as Juice=Juice," and come away disappointed thinking "Guess the rest aren't really that great after all"
    15Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:02:40.10
    16Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:03:38.92
    Well, Omifu [cutesy nickname for Kawashima Mifu] can be pretty sloppy herself too (lol)
    17Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:03:44.71
    Kawashima's resolve is the real deal
    Being "willing to do a swimsuit shoot" is garbage by comparison
    18Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:03:44.77
    The most annoying thing is new fans who got into it through flattering photos of Mifu ["moreru" — Japanese slang for a photo that makes someone look extra good] and now lord some weird sense of superiority like "our Juice=Juice is amazing but the other groups are kind of meh"
    32Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:23:17.50
    Re: #18
    That's still on the other groups for not being impressive enough, though
    23Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:08:29.92
    With a group like HANA, you can tell they're amazing at first glance
    24Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:11:33.85
    The problem is the others are too underwhelming for that to spread to Hello! Project as a whole
    26Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:13:24.09
    Looks like she's starting to develop real self-awareness as the next ace of Hello! Project's new flagship group too
    35Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:26:24.54


    50Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:29:26.98
    Re: #35
    Both of them are so cute
    Nothing but gratitude to Karin-chan for saving Mippuru [nickname for Kawashima Mifu]
    36Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:26:53.19
    If she'd ended up in Morning Musume. she'd probably have burned out and quit by now
    43Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:27:25.97
    Re: #1
    Don't go carrying all of Hello! Project on your own back when you're not even the flagship group
    Juice=Juice's getting a bit stale lately, isn't it
    48Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:28:02.14
    Hello! Project members really do tend to say this kind of thing
    You basically never hear it from idols at other agencies
    49Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:28:36.09
    Re: #48
    That's because other agencies aren't a storied house with a lineage going back to the '90s
    54Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:31:48.91
    Re: #48
    It's the difference between having something to carry on your shoulders and not
    61Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 11:58:26.60
    Morning Musume. uncle [slang for an older male fan of the group]: "The only group allowed to call itself Hello!'s 'battleship' is Morning Musume."
    66Anonymous2026/10/07 (Wed) 12:11:20.82
    Re: #61
    Nobody said anything about a battleship lmaooooo

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Hello! Project operates as an umbrella organization for multiple groups, including Morning Musume. and Juice=Juice, and there has long been said to be a gap in name recognition and reputation between them. The Kawashima Mifu comment that sparked this thread reflects a sense of personal stake in the idea that Juice=Juice’s performance shapes the public’s overall impression of Hello! Project, and most of the thread responded to it favorably. Where opinion split was over whether that sense of responsibility can actually translate into a better reputation for Hello! Project as a whole through just one group’s efforts. Since there’s already a gap in profile and scale of activity among the other groups, some pointed out that Juice=Juice alone being seen as “amazing” doesn’t necessarily mean the overall impression of Hello! Project improves. Though not mentioned in the original article, Hello! Project has a history of different groups taking turns at the center of the franchise from era to era, and Kawashima’s comment is being read by fans in light of that pattern.

    *This article is composed from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Juice=Juice’s Kawashima Mifu: “Whether people think ‘Hello! Project is amazing’ or ‘Hello! Project is just okay’ comes down to us, and I feel a real sense of responsibility about that”.”