Category: Tech

  • Japan’s Consumer Affairs Agency Moves to Regulate ‘Dark Patterns’ That Block Cancellations — 5ch: ‘Just Make a Cancel Button Mandatory’

    A study panel under Japan’s Consumer Affairs Agency has released a draft interim report calling for comprehensive regulation of “dark patterns” — tactics like disguising subscription sign-ups as “trials” and obstructing cancellations. On the forum, posters called for mandatory cancel buttons and browser-only cancellation, pointed to Amazon and California’s regulations as examples, while others voiced skepticism about how slow the response has been.

    Japan’s Consumer Affairs Agency to regulate “dark patterns,” making cancellation obstruction illegal — panel releases draft interim report

    On August 24, Japan’s Consumer Affairs Agency presented a draft interim report to its “Study Group on Digital Transactions and the Act on Specified Commercial Transactions.”

    The draft states that comprehensive rules should be established against displays and UI (user interfaces) that distort consumer decision-making — so-called “dark patterns” — such as advertising something as a “trial” while actually steering users into a subscription.

    Source: japan.cnet.com / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:34
    So even Amazon Prime contracts are going to get scrutinized now?
    3AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:05
    Just hurry up and do it already.
    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:20
    That's because DAZN screwed the pooch.
    6AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:32
    I want it made mandatory to put a big, obvious 'Cancel' button right on the user account page.
    7AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:39
    Re: #6
    California has a similar law — cancelling has to be at least as easy as signing up.
    8AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:42
    Re: #7
    That's great lol
    9AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:48
    If you can sign up through the browser, you should be able to cancel through the browser too.
    They absolutely need to include this.
    Otherwise, companies pull sneaky moves like a certain company we know — easy to sign up, but the moment things get tough for them, suddenly cancellation is email or phone only.
    21AnonymousAug 26, 2026 05:33
    Re: #9
    Not sure how it is now, but a few years back Mitsubishi UFJ Bank and some brokerages were like that.
    10AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:02
    Back when I cancelled FOD [Fuji TV's streaming service], it was so convoluted I had to follow a walkthrough site step by step.
    This kind of regulation should've happened over a decade ago, back when mobile phones were becoming basic infrastructure — makes you wonder why only now.
    Cracking down on pressure against independent entertainers was decades late too. Really shows you the caliber of our politicians and bureaucrats.
    11AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:22
    Way too slow. Do you have any idea how many elderly victims got left behind because they couldn't keep up?
    The Consumer Affairs Agency should seriously pay compensation out of their own pockets for a decade's worth of victims.

    Too slow! Move fast, now!
    Otherwise those scammers will already have their next workaround ready.
    12AnonymousAug 26, 2026 02:27
    Unforgivable, Amazon Prime!
    13AnonymousAug 26, 2026 04:46
    Forget that, just ban paid gacha in mobile games entirely already.
    14AnonymousAug 26, 2026 05:02
    >> In Japan too, tactics that use labels like "trial" to create the impression of a one-time purchase, while actually locking users into a subscription, are on the rise, especially in online transactions. Dark patterns can be deployed online at low cost and tend to affect far more consumers than similar offline tactics. The proposal warns this could lead to large-scale harm. At the same time, current law isn't clear enough to adequately cover today's online transactions, and aggressive displays that intimidate or confuse consumers aren't even covered by regulation.
    15AnonymousAug 26, 2026 05:02
    >> 'Comprehensive regulation' proposed for fast-changing tactics; illegal examples to be blacklisted

    >> In designing the regulation, the proposal notes that because problematic tactics are diverse and change quickly, making it impossible to list them all in advance, a 'reasonably comprehensive set of rules' with flexibility should be considered. At the same time, to avoid discouraging legitimate displays and UI design, it also calls for clear criteria — such as laying out illegal patterns as a 'blacklist' in subordinate regulations or guidelines. As for violations, the basic approach would be correction through administrative measures.
    16AnonymousAug 26, 2026 05:04
    >> Mandatory disclosure of total payment amount; cancellation obstruction to be made illegal

    >> The proposal also addresses the contract stage. Even after a 2021 revision to the Act on Specified Commercial Transactions required a final confirmation screen, consumer complaints about subscriptions have stayed at high levels. In response, the proposal calls for mandatory display of the total payment amount on the final confirmation screen, and a ban on splitting transaction terms across separate displays. For 'upselling' — presenting seemingly better terms after an order is finalized to push users toward pricier plans — it would require clearly marking what changed, so users can compare before and after.
    17AnonymousAug 26, 2026 05:05
    >> Measures were also called for around cancellation. Citing cases like phone lines that never connect or procedures made needlessly complicated for no good reason, the proposal says unduly delaying cancellation should be classified as illegal and subject to regulation.

    >> The panel also flagged that further study is needed on new sales methods combining AI, such as transactions handled through AI agents and AI-powered targeted advertising or dark patterns.
    18AnonymousAug 26, 2026 05:06
    >> Dark patterns are techniques that use displays and user-flow designs built on insights into psychological manipulation to steer consumers into contracts without letting them fully grasp what's happening. In a 2022 document, the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) defined them as practices that 'nudge, deceive, coerce, or manipulate consumers into choices that are often not in their best interest' — and they're viewed as a problem internationally.

    >> In Japan too, tactics that use labels like "trial" to create the impression of a one-time purchase, while actually locking users into a subscription, are on the rise, especially in online transactions. Dark patterns can be deployed online at low cost and tend to affect far more consumers than similar offline tactics. The proposal warns this could lead to large-scale harm. At the same time, current law isn't clear enough to adequately cover today's online transactions, and aggressive displays that intimidate or confuse consumers aren't even covered by regulation.
    20AnonymousAug 26, 2026 05:30
    Re: #1
    Like how Rakuten has the 'receive store emails' box checked by default, or how signing up for Yahoo's flea market app comes with terms sharing your info with PayPay, or how everything seems to have terms trying to share your data with LINE.
    23AnonymousAug 26, 2026 05:40
    It's not enough to just make cancellation obstruction illegal — they need to go as far as institutionalizing hefty damages so that victims of cancellation obstruction actually profit from it.
    Basically, a form of punitive damages system.
    24AnonymousAug 26, 2026 06:05
    First, I want them to go after NHK.
    26AnonymousAug 26, 2026 08:22
    Could they also ban making people register a credit card for a 1-month free trial?
    28AnonymousAug 26, 2026 09:40
    NTT, this means you.
    29AnonymousAug 26, 2026 10:16
    Re: #1
    Toyoko Inn too.
    Thought it looked cheap, looked into it, and it was a student discount rate (lol)
    33AnonymousAug 26, 2026 15:33
    First, just make it categorically illegal for customer service lines to use Navi Dial [Japan's premium-rate phone number service].

    The lines are already full, but instead of a busy signal you just get connected and left on hold forever — and you're the one paying for the call the whole time. That's beyond unacceptable.
    36AnonymousAug 26, 2026 16:03
    This is probably aimed at so-called subscription services, but couldn't they set it up like a long-term contract — similar to a car loan or lease — with a third party inserted in the middle?
    I mean, if it's not direct profit for the company itself, it'd be a lot harder for them to drag their feet on cancellations, right?

    I think the Apple Store works kind of like that —
    the subscription is tied to your store account rather than to you individually, so you can cancel just by going through the store.
    37AnonymousAug 26, 2026 16:26
    It's probably like this for anyone collecting subscribers:
    they can count on some percentage being people who won't cancel, or can't figure out how,
    plus a few percent more who just keep paying forever,
    even after they've literally died.

    People who never use the service but keep paying forever —
    that's probably where the profit comes from.
    38AnonymousAug 26, 2026 18:50
    At the very least, subscriptions shouldn't be allowed to auto-renew without consent —
    auto-cancellation by default should be mandatory.

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s Consumer Affairs Agency (消費者庁, Shohisha-cho) is the cabinet-level body that enforces the Act on Specified Commercial Transactions (特定商取引法), the main law governing sales practices, cooling-off rights, and now, increasingly, subscription commerce. This isn’t the agency’s first attempt at the problem: a 2021 revision to the same law already forced companies to show a “final confirmation screen” before a purchase. The draft report presented on August 24 concedes that reform didn’t work — complaints about subscription traps have stayed high regardless — which is why the new proposal pushes for a broader, evolving “comprehensive” framework plus an illustrative blacklist, rather than another narrow, single-purpose rule. The reference to the OECD’s 2022 dark-patterns definition situates this as Japan catching up to an international regulatory conversation, not inventing the concept.

    The thread’s actual disagreement is less about whether regulation is needed — nobody defends the practice — and more about pace and mechanism: several posters want concrete, enforceable specifics (a mandatory cancel button, browser-based cancellation matching California’s “as easy to cancel as to sign up” standard) rather than the vaguer “comprehensive rules plus guidelines” approach the report describes, while others focus purely on how many years too late this is, invoking DAZN’s much-criticized cancellation flow and elderly victims as the cost of delay.

    What the thread doesn’t note is that this is still an interim report from a study panel, not legislation — there’s no bill, timeline, or penalty structure yet, and “correction through administrative measures” is far softer than the punitive damages posters are demanding.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “[Society] Japan’s Consumer Affairs Agency to regulate ‘dark patterns,’ making cancellation obstruction illegal — panel releases draft interim report.”

  • Surgeons Operate on Wrong Leg, Implant Artificial Bone by Mistake — Aichi Hospital Settles for ¥5.5 Million

    A medical error has come to light at Ichinomiya Municipal Hospital in Aichi Prefecture, where surgeons operated on the leg that wasn’t broken and implanted an artificial bone in it. The mix-up was discovered during a post-operative X-ray, and the hospital settled by paying 5.5 million yen in damages. On 5ch, alongside shocked reactions like “how does a mistake like that even happen,” many users shared their own habits of marking the correct leg before surgery and personal stories of left-right mix-ups, while others questioned why no measures exist to prevent this from happening again.

    Published 8/26 (Wed) 5:27 PM

    CBC Television

    Ichinomiya Municipal Hospital in Aichi Prefecture operated on the wrong leg, and has agreed to settle by paying 5.5 million yen in damages.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 26, 2026 18:55
    It's Ichinomiya City for you, lol
    42AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:02
    Man, what a mistake…
    51AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:05
    Artificial bone in both legs now — rehab's gonna be brutal, isn't it?
    4AnonymousAug 26, 2026 18:55
    How does a mistake like that even happen?
    110AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:13
    Re: #4
    When I went to the JSDF Central Hospital, they casually mixed up left and right on my X-ray too.
    11AnonymousAug 26, 2026 18:56
    Do people in their 80s even need surgery like that in the first place?
    54AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:05
    Re: #11
    Apparently if they don't, there's a real risk of ending up bedridden.
    33AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:01
    (´・ω・`) They should really mark the leg with a circle or an X in marker before surgery.
    102AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:11
    Re: #33
    They actually do that already.
    34AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:01
    It says they mixed up the words 'right' and 'left' on the chart — guess nobody actually checked the imaging.
    83AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:09
    Re: #34
    Unbelievable… even that old 'Turn the Indian to the right' mistranslation meme (a famous Windows dialog-box translation blunder) at least got 'right' correct.
    69AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:07
    Honestly, kind of a free tune-up, no? Like straight-up cyberpsychosis (the Cyberpunk term for going haywire from too many implants).
    101AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:11
    Re: #69
    'Femoral neck fracture.' Both legs now — will she even be able to walk again?
    89AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:10
    This kind of thing happens on a regular basis — why is there still no system to prevent it?
    109AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:13
    Re: #89
    The doctor in charge just got it backwards lol
    And went ahead with the surgery anyway lol
    Fully convinced his own mistake was the truth the whole time lol
    213AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:34
    Re: #89
    Looking from the feet, it's the right
    Looking from the pillow side, it's the left
    Looking from the side, it's… whichever's closer
    96AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:11
    This is rough. This doctor's on the same level as a dentist — and with dentists, whatever they do to you, you just have to eat it.
    106AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:13
    Re: #96
    Barbershops too, honestly.
    120AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:15
    For elderly people, if you break a bone and have surgery, you need rehab or you won't walk again. In this case she'll need the surgery redone on top of it — 5.5 million yen feels way too cheap as compensation.
    127AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:17
    Re: #120
    Read Re: #1, lol
    It's already a done deal lol
    139AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:19
    Normally, a hospital holds onto every piece of evidence from a medical accident. So they could've just quietly redone the surgery in secret and no one would ever know. The fact that this hospital had the integrity not to take that route… honestly, that's moving.
    178AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:27
    Re: #139
    If the fracture site had gone necrotic, worst case they'd have had to amputate the whole leg — that would've given it away eventually. Actually, the tech who took the post-op X-ray must've been the most shaken. You take the pre-op X-ray, confirm the fracture, then take the post-op X-ray and there's an artificial femoral head sitting in the opposite leg.
    151AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:22
    A femoral neck fracture is when the 'neck' at the top of the thighbone breaks and shifts, cutting off blood flow, which makes natural healing basically impossible — that's why they do a hip hemiarthroplasty (artificial femoral head replacement).

    So… was the doctor drinking on the job or something?
    184AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:28
    Re: #151
    Both legs looked kind of worn out to the naked eye anyway lol
    Let's just go with that story lol
    170AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:26
    Basically like they gave her a free implant on the other leg too. Lucky her.
    183AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:27
    Re: #170
    Big bones are important organs. An artificial bone loses that function entirely. The downsides massively outweigh any so-called benefit.
    173AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:26
    The other day, a lady in her 70s from my neighborhood fell off a roughly 40cm-high stool while reaching for something on a shelf. Just from that one fall she apparently broke her right femur and an arm bone, and her daughter was really down about the chance she'd end up bedridden for good… You hear about elderly people's health collapsing all at once after a fracture like this constantly, so the grandma in Re: #1 really got dealt a rough hand…
    186AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:28
    Re: #173
    Why even use a stool for something out of reach… I really don't want to get that careless when I'm old.
    192AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:30
    A broken femur in an elderly person can be directly life-threatening, so surgery is necessary even if the patient ends up bedridden regardless.
    202AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:31
    Re: #192
    Oh, so she's bedridden either way? I assumed the surgery was so she could walk again.
    204AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:32
    Probably a hospital where the nurses, techs, and doctors just don't communicate.

    Nurse: 'Um, doctor, that's the wrong side—'
    Doctor: 'Never mind, just be quiet.'

    Something like that, probably.
    227AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:39
    Re: #204
    In my case, the radiology tech was on the phone furiously protesting, explaining why the scan couldn't be done — but the doctor forced it through anyway, and I got put into the MRI with a metal halo vest still bolted to my head. I passed out three seconds in and they had to stop the scan. The doctor faced zero consequences. That's when I saw what the medical profession is really like.
    205AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:32
    This probably isn't a rise in medical errors — it's just that they're easier to catch now.
    206AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:32
    I woke up from anesthesia once too, and my left arm had turned into a hand cannon lol
    218AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:35
    Re: #206
    Dyne… you're still alive?
    223AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:36
    Can't they just visually confirm before swapping the bone in?
    229AnonymousAug 26, 2026 19:40
    Re: #223
    They can — and they do. Depending on how the bone broke, they remove the section that's lost blood flow, shape the cut surface at the fracture site, insert the artificial femoral head, and fuse it to the patient's own bone.

    So they do check the fracture site — just after it's already been removed.

    Background and Key Points

    Ichinomiya Municipal Hospital is a public general hospital in Ichinomiya, Aichi Prefecture, one of many mid-sized municipal hospitals that handle routine orthopedic trauma for Japan’s rapidly aging population. The injury involved, a femoral neck fracture, is a break at the narrow “neck” of the thighbone that typically severs its blood supply, meaning the bone cannot heal on its own; the standard treatment for elderly patients is a hemiarthroplasty, replacing the femoral head with an artificial implant, because leaving it untreated risks permanent bedridden status or death from complications of immobility. Surgical site marking, drawing a circle or X on the correct limb before surgery, is a well-established safety step in Japanese hospitals as elsewhere, and the hospital confirmed to posters that this procedure was in fact followed here.

    The thread’s real disagreement was less about the mix-up itself, which most treated as baffling but explicable, and more about the money: several posters argued 5.5 million yen is far too low given that the patient now needs a second, corrective surgery on top of the original fracture, an added ordeal for an elderly body, and one poster raised the more sympathetic view that a hospital which came forward instead of quietly redoing the operation deserves some credit.

    What the thread doesn’t spell out is that this was not a “free” fix on the healthy leg: an artificial hip is a functional loss, not a bonus, since it replaces living, self-repairing bone with a fixed implant, and the untreated fracture on the correct leg still awaits its own operation.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from excerpts of the 5ch (Breaking News Plus) thread “[Left/Right] Wrong Leg Operated On… Medical Error Implants ‘Artificial Bone’ in Non-Fractured Leg, Discovered via Post-Op X-ray, Ichinomiya Municipal Hospital, Aichi.”

  • Japan Merges ‘Mynaportal App’ Into New ‘Myna App’ — 5ch Asks: ‘Wait, Can I Just Uninstall the Old One?’

    On August 25, Japan’s Digital Agency merged the “Mynaportal App” and the “Digital Authentication App” into one, renaming it the “Myna App.” On 5ch, users traded a wide range of opinions on the update’s usability, its development costs, and why integration with driver’s licenses still hasn’t happened.

    On the 25th, the Digital Agency updated the “Mynaportal App” and relaunched it as the “Myna App.” By folding the functions of the “Digital Authentication App” into the Mynaportal App, the agency is aiming for a more user-friendly experience.

    By merging the Mynaportal App and the Digital Authentication App, the new “Myna App” makes it possible to complete My Number card identity verification entirely within a single app. Along with the merger, the app has been renamed “Myna App,” and its icon and screen design have also been refreshed.

    The app is available for both iOS and Android and can be downloaded from the App Store and Google Play. Anyone who already has the Mynaportal App installed will get it auto-updated.

    Source: watch.impress.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 25, 2026 14:23
    Is it okay to just uninstall the 'Digital Authentication App' now?
    3AnonymousAug 25, 2026 14:38
    But isn't it still true that most stores don't support it anyway, so you end up using the physical card regardless?
    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 14:49
    I'm curious how much of the budget got skimmed off the top before it ever reached actual development. If the real dev cost turns out to be like a tenth of the budget, this thing's gonna be riddled with bugs.
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 14:51
    Personal data is guaranteed to leak eventually — at minimum, separate the medical ID from the tax ID. And honestly, if the government can't even manage running two separate IDs independently, they should scrap the My Number card entirely. Private security firms routinely manage 10, even 100, independent IDs per person without breaking a sweat.
    6AnonymousAug 25, 2026 14:54
    Checked my phone — it had already updated.
    7AnonymousAug 25, 2026 14:55
    Wow, look how much more convenient this got!!!
    8AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:05
    AI: 'Next up, your face.'
    9AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:06
    The Rakuten Hand doesn't support Mynaportal, though…
    10AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:11
    Hurry up and get driver's licenses onto smartphones already. You already linked the license to the My Number card, so just get on with it.
    16AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:14
    Re: #10
    Why would they? The vested interests involved are completely different, so it's not that simple. Society still treats the driver's license as the de facto standard ID — that's not changing anytime soon. The police's vested interests are that huge.
    11AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:15
    This app is such a pain to use. Just let me operate it on instinct already.
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 18:25
    Re: #11
    Yeah, it really is a pain. I get needing to scan the My Number card during initial setup, but after that it makes you scan the card again every single time you log in. I only set it up for the My Number reward points in the first place, never opened the app again since, decided I didn't need it, and uninstalled it the other day — before I even heard this news, before the auto-update could hit.
    12AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:40
    Just installed it. It's nice that the screens aren't buried in the usual wall of bureaucratic fine print — it's clean and minimal (you can tell they put in effort) — but could they at least make it look a bit cooler?
    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:16
    Re: #12
    'Cool' is subjective, differs person to person. As long as the functionality actually works properly, that matters more.
    13AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:48
    Talking iPhone here — you don't delete the old "Mynaportal App" and reinstall; you just overwrite it with "Myna App" from the App Store. After that, the icon switches from Portal to "Myna App."
    15AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:13
    Re: #13
    That explanation is confusing.

    I think what you're trying to say is:
    you just install Myna App from the App Store,
    it overwrites the old app,
    and the name changes to Myna App too —

    right?

    The way it's phrased walks through the timeline backwards, which makes it hard to follow.

    Couldn't you also just delete it first and then install? If NOT deleting it is mandatory, you'd need to write something like "Do not delete Myna App."

    But what you seem to be saying is more like "you don't need to delete it," right?

    So wouldn't it also be fine TO delete it? That's how it reads to me.

    I'm writing this without knowing the full picture — just noting what occurred to me reading your post.
    14AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:08
    Re: #1
    Bureaucrat-speak is always an escape hatch.
    'Aiming to make a more user-friendly app.'
    We're AIMING for it!
    Never said we'd actually pull it off!

    And that's how the money keeps flowing.
    17AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:15
    Re: #15
    x: 'the way the MEANING is worded walks through the timeline backwards, which makes it hard to follow'
    o: 'the way YOU worded it walks through the timeline backwards, which makes it hard to follow'
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:25
    Looks and naming don't matter at all. The whole unique value of this app/system is that it lets you register your My Number card in the iPhone Wallet — that's it. Welcome the integration with the Digital Authentication App.
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:51
    So it still kicks you out to the browser from the app, huh?
    22AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:16
    'Access is currently congested; processing is taking longer than usual' lol
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:22
    Is this the thing you can do through the iPhone Wallet?
    24AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:23
    Re: #16
    Licenses fall under the National Public Safety Commission, right?
    28AnonymousAug 25, 2026 18:53
    Re: #24
    Isn't that actually the abbreviation for the Public Employment Security Office (Hello Work)? (joke — same abbreviation, different agency)
    25AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:23
    Make it so this can also be used to log into brokerage websites and the like.
    27AnonymousAug 25, 2026 18:32
    How much did this cost?
    29AnonymousAug 25, 2026 18:55
    Stops working the moment you switch phones.
    30AnonymousAug 25, 2026 19:32
    Why didn't they just adopt India's system instead? This one's just hemorrhaging budget money.
    31AnonymousAug 25, 2026 19:50
    Why not just use Iraq's system?
    32AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:26
    So it just changed its name?
    33AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:29
    Is there even a timeline for Android?
    34AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:10
    Knockoffs aren't even on my radar.
    35AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:34
    Re: #1
    Here we go again with their signature 'meteor fall' move (slang for a sudden, last-minute spec change dropped with no warning).
    36AnonymousAug 26, 2026 11:19
    Whenever something's missing, the answer is always 'make another app.'
    37AnonymousAug 26, 2026 12:01
    So the apps multiplied again, huh?
    38AnonymousAug 26, 2026 12:09
    They keep tossing security out the window, lol. Whatever happened to the original explanation?
    39AnonymousAug 26, 2026 12:13
    I can't even tell what changed.
    40AnonymousAug 26, 2026 13:48
    Re: #39
    Same motion as picking an e-money option — the My Number card just pops up.

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s My Number system is the country’s national ID framework, launched in 2015-16, under which every resident receives a 12-digit number and can opt for a physical My Number card carrying an IC chip. The Digital Agency, created in 2021 to modernize government services, has pushed adoption for years with points-based incentive campaigns, but usage has remained inconsistent — most transactions, online or in-store, still require physically tapping or scanning the card via NFC. Until this update, two separate apps existed: “Mynaportal,” a portal for viewing tax, pension, and benefits data tied to your number, and a “Digital Authentication App” (based on the JPKI public certificate system) used for things like e-Tax filing and bank KYC checks. The August 25 merger folds the latter into the former, rebranded “Myna App,” so identity verification can happen in one place instead of two.

    The thread’s real disagreement wasn’t over whether the merger is good, but over what it costs: posters who welcomed the cleaner interface were countered by others assuming inflated development budgets and inevitable data leaks, plus a side debate over whether unifying medical and tax IDs under one number is even wise. A separate thread of confusion emerged simply over the update mechanics — whether the old app needs deleting first.

    What outside readers likely miss is that this is purely a front-end consolidation. The physical My Number card and its chip-based authentication remain mandatory; the app doesn’t digitize identity itself, which is also why driver’s license integration — blocked by the National Police Agency’s separate jurisdiction — remains unresolved despite legal groundwork since 2024.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt/summary of the 5ch (Business News+) thread “[IT] New ‘Myna App’ Released — Identity Verification with Just Mynaportal + Smartphone.”

  • Government Policy Pushing AI Training-Data Disclosure Sparks Fierce Copyright Debate on 5ch

    The government has decided on a framework requiring AI operators to disclose information about the training data used for generative AI. The goal is to let copyright holders and AI users check whether their works were included in the training data upon request, but on 5ch, opinions split sharply over how to interpret Article 30-4 (“information analysis”) of the Copyright Act.

    The “training is basically legal” camp and the “if similarity shows up, it could be illegal” camp traded blows citing past court rulings, and the thread turned into a marathon argument.

    Operators will post information about their generative AI’s training process, the types of training data used, and how it was collected on their websites. If a copyright holder or AI user requests it, and certain conditions are met, operators will disclose whether copyrighted works are included in the training data — creating a system that lets people check for possible copyright infringement.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:49
    So if it was used in training, does that automatically make it copyright infringement?
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:50
    Re: #4
    If the copyright holder decides it's bad, it becomes illegal.
    Training isn't unconditionally allowed no matter what.
    9AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:57
    Re: #5
    That first line is way too out there lol
    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:31
    Re: #9
    No, I'm dead serious.
    Even training becomes illegal if the copyright holder judges they've suffered a disadvantage from it.
    Like, say, if it was used in a way tied to content revenue.
    62AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:10
    Re: #18
    Revenue is about the output, not the training though, isn't it?
    14AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:06
    Why do AI illustrators fly into a rage the moment someone just asks what art style their training data came from?
    Is asking not allowed or something?
    16AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:10
    Re: #14
    Probably because they don't actually know.
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:34
    Re: #18
    "Illegal if the copyright holder says so" — what a broken trump card.
    At that rate you could just shut the courts down.
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:36
    Re: #19
    It IS a trump card.

    1. Why is it "basically legal"? Japan's Copyright Act (Article 30-4) has a special exception: if the use is for "information analysis," you can use data without the copyright holder's permission. Since an AI reading huge amounts of data and analyzing features and patterns (training) is considered to fall under this "information analysis," no permission is required in principle.


    2. Cases where it's NOT clearly legal (risk of being illegal). The following cases may violate the law.

    Using it for human enjoyment instead of the AI: copying a work not to have the AI draw something, but purely so a human can enjoy the copy.

    Training on pirated material: collecting and training on data known to have been illegally uploaded, like from piracy sites.

    Cases that seriously harm the rights holder's interests: deliberately targeting and training on only a specific artist's works in a way that takes away that artist's work.
    21AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:37
    Re: #20
    What's with the sudden essay-length lecture right after "it IS a trump card"? If that logic actually worked in practice, nobody would be fighting about this.
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:43
    Re: #20
    Exactly.
    This is how believers twist logic among themselves until even the generation itself becomes "okay."
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:41
    Re: #21
    So let's remember: training is fine except when it falls outside "information analysis" — that part's still a no-go.
    24AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:42
    Re: #23
    "Let's remember" — who do you think you are, playing teacher? Where's your source for this "anything outside information analysis is a no-go" ruling?
    38AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:52
    Even if someone's art style happens to get reproduced by accident, that still counts as "use not intended to enjoy the thoughts or feelings expressed in the copyrighted work," so…
    42AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:54
    Re: #38
    That's exactly the kind of argument that doesn't fly in the world of content rights holders.

    For example, there are actual court cases where someone happened to draw something extremely similar, it was judged highly similar, and they lost in court.
    47AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:59
    Re: #38
    So just chanting that phrase makes style reproduction invincible? Then what exactly are all these people fighting about?
    49AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:00
    What happens when someone says "the AI says so" and then gets told "actually that's wrong"?
    All they'll be able to do is whine "but the AI said so!"
    50AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:00
    Re: #49
    Pulling from actual court cases is credible enough for me.
    51AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:01
    Re: #49
    What do you mean "what do you mean" — it's just having the AI produce its sources, that's all.
    73AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:19
    "Use not intended to enjoy the thoughts or feelings expressed in the copyrighted work"

    As long as this applies, normal use doesn't become illegal.
    78AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:23
    Re: #73
    It's rough how you're treating that one phrase like a magic spell.
    You're just declaring victory without even defining what "normal" means.
    88AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:29
    Re: #73
    There are cases where something ended up too similar and got ruled out on similarity grounds, so it's not always the case.
    Unfortunately.
    109AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:39
    No, it wouldn't be illegal.
    Under Article 30-4 of the Copyright Act, it's legal if the use is judged to be "not intended to enjoy the thoughts or feelings expressed in the copyrighted work."

    As long as no one deliberately extracts something hidden in the model on purpose, nothing gets infringed.
    116AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:43
    Re: #109
    You're saying it won't be judged that way, then turn around and say "if it's judged legal, it's legal"?
    Maybe start by rethinking your premise.

    Like in the article at Re: #1, there's a whole trend toward protecting and disclosing intellectual property — if you can't even consider why that's happening and just keep chanting "legal, legal," you're starting to sound like a kid throwing a tantrum.
    140AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:54
    Re: #109
    Aren't you just treating Article 30-4 like a magic spell?
    If "stuff hidden in there is safe" were really the logic, there'd be no reason for this disclosure push to even come up.
    119AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:44
    Article 30-4 doesn't say a single word about generation, you know.
    Not sure what you're misunderstanding, but still.
    129AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:48
    Re: #119
    That's why this guy just keeps asking Chappy (5ch slang for ChatGPT) and can't develop the argument any further than that, so he just keeps repeating the same line over and over — ironically, he's starting to sound like an AI himself.

    He thinks just saying this one thing is enough, but he's got the premise wrong from the start… it's honestly kind of sad.
    136AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:51
    Re: #129
    Yeah, classic true believer.
    Article 30-4 in the first place only lifts copyright restrictions in specific situations — everything else still falls under normal copyright law.
    So not all training automatically becomes legal.
    137AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:53
    Re: #136
    He went quiet the moment someone pushed back — guess that's just how this guy operates.
    155AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:07
    Re: #136
    What, is there some "lift restrictions" button you press? Article 30-4 is just a narrow exception — it's not a blanket pardon that makes all training legal.

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s Copyright Act was revised in 2018 to add Article 30-4, an unusually permissive “information analysis” exception: using a copyrighted work without the rights holder’s permission is allowed if the use is not meant for a human to enjoy the work’s expressive content, but rather to extract data, patterns, or statistics from it — the theory AI training falls under. This is broader than US fair use case law and was written before generative AI existed, which is why Japan became known internationally as unusually AI-training-friendly. The new disclosure framework being reported here does not rewrite that law; it’s a transparency requirement layered on top, letting rights holders and users ask AI operators what went into a model and how it was collected.

    The thread’s actual fault line is not “is AI training legal” in the abstract — both camps cite Article 30-4 — but whether a copyright holder’s own judgment that they’ve been harmed (especially via output similarity) can retroactively make the training itself illegal, or whether 30-4’s exceptions (piracy-sourced data, deliberately targeting one artist, non-analytical reuse) are the only carve-outs that matter. Posters swap fragments of real court rulings on similarity without agreeing on what those rulings actually settled.

    What the thread never separates out is that training-stage legality (Article 30-4) and generation/output-stage infringement (ordinary reproduction and adaptation rights) are assessed independently under Japanese law — a training process can be lawful while a specific output still infringes, and vice versa. The disclosure rule addresses the former, not the latter, and by itself doesn’t determine anyone’s liability.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nnews VIP) thread “[Breaking] Government decides on law/guidelines pushing disclosure of AI-generated training data — is this the end for AI illustrations and videos?.”

  • Leap Seconds Effectively Abolished from 2027 — Earth’s Rotation Drift Tolerated Up to ‘One Hour’

    A resolution to effectively abolish leap seconds from May 2027, tolerating a drift from Earth’s rotation of up to one hour, is reportedly set to be reviewed at the General Conference on Weights and Measures in France this October.

    In the thread, rather than the “one-hour drift” itself — which isn’t expected to occur for hundreds or even thousands of years — commenters focused more on the real-world struggles engineers have faced dealing with leap seconds, worries about the impact on GPS and missile-defense systems, and pointed remarks that this is ultimately just kicking the problem down the road.

    Leap Seconds Effectively Abolished from 2027 — Rotation Drift Tolerated Up to “One Hour,” Vote at International Conference in October

    A proposal to effectively abolish the “leap second,” which adjusts world standard time in one-second increments, will be reviewed at the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM), to be held in France October 13–15.

    Under the resolution from the International Bureau of Weights and Measures (BIPM), if adopted, the world will shift to a “continuous UTC” — one that makes no leap-second adjustments — starting May 20, 2027.

    Source: itmedia.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 25, 2026 00:18
    Bet this'll make some people go 'gyaaah!!' lol
    3AnonymousAug 25, 2026 02:52
    If it drifts a whole hour, that's basically daylight saving time territory.
    Saying 'I'll be dead by then anyway' feels pretty irresponsible though.
    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:05
    How has everyone even been handling this adjustment up until now?
    That's kind of terrifying.
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:05
    If they're not careful, it could mess up computer systems.
    6AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:18
    Late to work, late delivery, late loan repayment, late settlement — any time-related delay up to an hour is now excusable by blaming Earth's rotation drift.
    Long live the slow life!
    7AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:24
    If noon shifts by a whole hour, wouldn't that seriously mess up weather statistics?
    Should've capped it at a minute, at most.
    8AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:27
    Re: #1
    I could never get along with people who're fine with daylight saving time.
    9AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:35
    Honestly, inserting it right at the date rollover — 23:59:60 — seems like a bad idea, doesn't it?
    If it were 10:10:60 instead, you could fudge things a lot more easily.
    47AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:35
    Re: #9
    Nah, doesn't really change anything fundamental.
    10AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:56
    Feels like they'll end up just setting Christ's birth as second zero and calling now '63 billion seconds.'
    11AnonymousAug 25, 2026 06:15
    Wouldn't this throw GPS off too?
    Car nav is one thing, but if military or mountaineering units get thrown off, isn't that dangerous?
    Or is this kept separate from that, and it's purely about the time humans use?

    Either way, that sounds like it'd get messy too.
    12AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:27
    Re: #11
    It won't drift.
    If anything, since every system implements leap-second insertion differently,
    engineers have been coughing up blood trying to prevent drift caused by that — and now that's gone, so three cheers.
    13AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:27
    Flip the thinking around — just artificially correct the Earth's rotation speed itself so no time adjustment is ever needed.
    15AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:29
    Re: #13
    Marry me.
    14AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:29
    'If the rotation's gotten slower, then just speed it back up!'
    17AnonymousAug 25, 2026 09:07
    Just adjust it once, at noon on leap day — that'd be enough.
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 09:20
    Re: #17
    Leap years aren't adjusted case-by-case — under the Gregorian calendar, whether Feb 29 gets inserted in any given year is fixed far into the future.
    It's a completely different concept.
    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 09:15
    Guess this is, in a way, a decision driven by 'outside pressure' too…
    if you count the fact that, for the first time on record, Earth's days have been shorter than 24 hours these past few years as 'outside pressure.'

    But honestly, isn't this a good outcome? Better that only the industries that actually need to care about the UTC/UT1 gap have to deal with it,
    rather than making everyone who touches a system clock worry about it.
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:17
    If it drifts a whole hour, sunlight and temperature would shift quite a bit.
    Correcting it back would be rough too.
    21AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:20
    How many thousands of years would it even take to drift a full hour?
    22AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:45
    Honestly, feels like the current setup was fine as it was.
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:48
    Re: #22
    Can't be helped — the downsides outweighed the benefits.
    Nobody wants system clocks getting fiddled with constantly these days,
    let alone attempting, for the first time ever, a leap second adjustment in the reverse direction!
    24AnonymousAug 25, 2026 12:07
    An hour's drift is at least centuries away,
    so by then old systems might have nobody left who can touch them — that could cause even bigger chaos.
    If it were capped around a minute, you'd only adjust once every few decades, which still seems manageable.
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:18
    Re: #12
    How many systems even implement leap seconds these days?
    Most just smear the drift via NTP now, don't they?
    40AnonymousAug 25, 2026 20:27
    Re: #26
    No such thing exists.
    It's not something you can just work out with a simple calculation —
    they just sync time based on announcements from international bodies.
    27AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:34
    Society can cope with something like a 'leap second' since it's routine, but decades or centuries from now, inserting a 'leap hour' is going to be a bigger mess than the Y2K/Showa-100 bug.
    Can system engineers really not foresee that?
    28AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:44
    Re: #27
    Thousands of years from now, today's systems won't exist in any recognizable form.
    There's no need to keep the current rule in place until the full one-hour drift actually shows up —
    realistically this'll only ever amount to a difference of a few dozen seconds.
    29AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:17
    If one particular day ends up with an extra hour, whether that hour counts toward work time seems like it could become a real social issue.
    30AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:20
    They're just bundling the problem up and punting it to the future.
    31AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:30
    Re: #30
    Fine to punt on this one.
    Even after hundreds of years, it might only add up to a few minutes of drift,
    and by then the timekeeping system will probably look totally different anyway.

    Basically, the real question is what to do over just the next few decades —
    and making every system scramble to handle unknown fallout over a UTC/UT1 gap that maxes out at a few dozen seconds is ridiculous.
    32AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:35
    And on top of that, this 'days shorter than 24 hours' phenomenon has only been observed these past few years in all of recorded history — there's a good chance it reverses within a few decades and days go back to being longer than 24 hours again.
    Making every system implement negative leap seconds just for a few years' worth of a phenomenon is just terrible cost-benefit thinking.
    I'd get chewed out by my boss for that.
    34AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:10
    The one-hour figure is just the maximum tolerance —
    it's not like they'll actually let the gap grow to a full hour before doing anything.
    And the underlying definition of the 'second' itself will probably be replaced by some more precise method before too long anyway.
    35AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:55
    No way they'd actually let it drift a whole hour lol.
    The world's clocks run on NTP these days —
    this barely matters outside of stuff like rocket guidance systems.
    37AnonymousAug 25, 2026 18:52
    I guess as long as the gap between UTC and astronomical time is clearly published, there's no real problem.
    Though the world will keep running on UTC regardless…
    41AnonymousAug 25, 2026 20:35
    Isn't GPS time just a raw second count since around 1980, meaning leap seconds are really a calendar-processing issue on the receiver's end?
    42AnonymousAug 25, 2026 20:44
    Guess we won't get overtime pay for the leap second anymore.
    43AnonymousAug 25, 2026 20:53
    Re: #1
    In a military context, lots of a nation's people could die, so think about missile interception here.
    A junk system whose intercept timing is off by a whole hour is garbage.
    Keep corrections down to one second — do your best.
    That's the state's duty.
    Protect human lives.
    45AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:19
    Leaving it alone for centuries sounds like it'll cause total chaos whenever it finally happens.
    Wouldn't it be better if it happened at least once during a given engineer's working career?
    46AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:26
    Re: #45
    Nobody said it's being left alone.

    All that's been decided is that correction happens once the drift exceeds one hour.
    In practice, 'correcting because it drifted an hour' will basically never occur —
    by the time it drifts an hour, the systems involved will be fundamentally different anyway.

    Background and Key Points

    The leap second dates to 1972, when the world’s timekeepers grafted astronomical time (UT1, based on Earth’s rotation) onto atomic time (TAI) by letting UTC insert an occasional extra second, decided and announced by the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service. Historically the Earth was slowing, so 27 leap seconds have been added, most recently in 2016. Japan’s own civil clock, JST, is maintained by NICT and simply follows these UTC announcements, meaning any change ripples straight into Japanese servers, broadcast systems, and telecoms without a separate domestic process. The proposal now before the CGPM would stop leap-second insertions from 2027 and only correct if the UTC/UT1 gap ever reaches a full hour — a threshold nobody expects to be reached for centuries.

    The thread didn’t really argue about the one-hour number itself; posters broadly agreed that’s a non-issue. The actual disagreement was over whether abolition is a sensible fix or just deferred pain: some argued a small, decades-long drift is now impossible to correct gradually and will dump a much bigger, more chaotic adjustment on whatever engineers exist generations from now, while others countered that today’s systems won’t even resemble future ones, so pre-committing to a rigid schedule now is pointless.

    What the thread glossed over is the actual trigger for this reform: for the first time since precise measurement began, Earth’s rotation has recently sped up rather than slowed, raising the unprecedented prospect of a negative leap second — subtracting a second, something no system has ever actually implemented or tested, which is far riskier than the insertions engineers are used to. Readers may also assume GPS timing itself drifts with leap seconds, but GPS time is a continuous count since 1980 that ignores them entirely; only the calendar display layer, not the satellites’ clocks, is affected.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Science News+) thread “Leap Seconds Effectively Abolished from 2027 — Rotation Drift Tolerated Up to “One Hour,” Vote at International Conference in October.”

  • App Promising Chats With Ryza Cuts Off Free Users After 2 Messages, Caps Subscribers at 15 Per 10 Days — 5ch: “They’re Taking Us for Fools”

    An app advertised as letting fans “chat with Ryza” from the Atelier series has caused a stir after users discovered that the free tier cuts you off after just two messages — and even paying for the subscription only gets you 15 chats per 10 days. The 3-day free trial also silently converts into a full annual plan unless canceled within 2 days. On the thread, commenters piled on complaints about the pricing, comparing it to VTuber donation costs and standard AI token rates.

    1AnonymousAug 25, 2026 14:57
    Sounds like you can't even talk to her without paying for the subscription
    3AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:03
    Everyone knew this was made to squeeze cash out of guys still living in their childhood bedroom ("kodomobeya ojisan" — a slang term for adult men who never left home)
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:07
    This is gonna die fast
    59AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:59
    Re: #5
    Nah, stuff like this actually sticks around for a while — they just mark up the server costs and pocket the difference. No voice recording expenses either.
    Cloud coding AI is locked in a brutal price war with local PCs, but for character-chat services the cloud side dominates and there's barely any competition.
    Steam's still ruled by the RTX 4060, so unless they pull off something like linking two PS5s together, local AI probably won't catch on for gaming anytime soon
    13AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:13
    Might as well just hire Ryza's voice actress directly at this point
    14AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:14
    Looks like one of those sketchy "cutting-edge Reiwa-era" payment UIs
    15AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:14
    15 chats per 10 days, lol
    Wonder how much the top-ups cost on top of that
    16AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:15
    Honestly, this level of tech could probably be replicated on a local PC
    17AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:15
    Wasn't there already talk that Atelier Resleriana was basically "open your wallet"?
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:17
    This game's like some rip-off sex-industry scam
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:20
    Honestly this was completely predictable lol
    24AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:20
    This is basically just a VTuber at this point
    25AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:23
    Re: #24
    Not gonna lie, this is pricier than a VTuber's members-only content
    54AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:53
    Re: #25
    VTubers charge anywhere from a few hundred yen to tens of thousands per comment, so VTubers are still more expensive overall
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:23
    There's no way you're getting close to her on only 15 chats every 10 days
    Even a married couple in a rut talks more than that
    28AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:25
    Pay extra to break through the message-limit wall!
    29AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:26
    Calling this thing an "RPG" is way too sketchy
    You can just feel the intent to reel in suckers no matter what
    35AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:31
    I thought this was some shady ad ripping off Ryza's likeness without permission
    Wait, this is official?
    36AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:33
    Re: #1
    If chat AI could shrink down to around 10GB and voice synthesis got just as lightweight, couldn't you link two PS5s or two Switch 2s together and run it locally?
    Without Thunderbolt, just USB, you can't parallelize like you would with graphics cards, but it should work fine running separate AI processes
    37AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:35
    6,000 yen a year sounds cheap to me, but is that considered outrageous in the mobile app world?
    48AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:45
    Re: #37
    That'd be fine if it were unlimited, but it caps out at 45 times a month
    39AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:38
    "Might as well feed this into some other AI service instead," lol
    40AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:39
    Wouldn't it be better to just run this locally, uncensored, and have it roleplay as Ryza?
    44AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:43
    There are already paid services like online salons where real humans chat with you
    But if AI does the talking, you don't even need to hire a human
    This is the winning move!
    50AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:46
    ??? (Wait, wouldn't this make way more money if they did it with Tifa instead?)
    51AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:48
    Honestly you'd be better off just having ChatGPT roleplay as Ryza
    15 chats per 10 days is just insulting
    56AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:58
    Between this and the "Wallet Atelier" jokes, this company's whole approach to monetization is unhinged

    No wonder they can't compete with Chinese developers
    69AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:16
    Honestly, we don't need generative AI for this
    If they've got time to make garbage like this, they should be rushing out the next mainline Atelier game instead
    80AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:35
    Re: #69
    For 3D RPGs, Chinese studios are just too strong now — it's basically over
    But for chat AI, regulations are forcing HoYoverse and Tencent to shut down more and more of their services, so Japanese games will probably see more entries in this space too. Actually, even the console version of Dragon Quest X is already doing this
    86AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:45
    Everyone already knew this though
    Tokens are expensive
    104AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:11
    Re: #86
    Yeah, anyone who actually understands AI could've told you that
    88AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:49
    Re: #1
    Honestly you'd be better off watching "The Tale of Princess Kaguya" instead
    Isn't this pricier than V-Kaguya and V-Yachiyo (VTubers)?
    106AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:11
    Re: #88
    Unlike Ryza, it's not even cute
    If I'm paying money, I'd rather it be for a cute girl like Ryza
    94AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:01
    Can't believe they thought they could get away with pricing this aggressively
    103AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:10
    Re: #94
    If they made it free or unlimited, the servers would get overwhelmed, so they have to keep it expensive
    You'd think everyone would get bored quickly and traffic would stabilize, but then a global version might launch, so it's hard to say if prices will actually drop
    China has regulations on this stuff, so just like game consoles during COVID, this might actually go up in price too

    Background and Key Points

    The Atelier series, published by Koei Tecmo’s Gust studio, is a long-running alchemy-RPG franchise, and Reisalin “Ryza” Stout became its breakout mascot after 2019’s Atelier Ryza, spawning both a mainline sequel run and the mobile spin-off Atelier Resleriana that posters reference as already having a “gacha” reputation. This chat app appears to be a licensed tie-in letting fans converse with an AI version of Ryza — but the free tier stops at two messages, and even the paid plan (around ¥6,000/year per one poster) caps out at 15 exchanges per 10 days, with a 3-day trial that auto-converts to a full annual subscription unless canceled within 2 days, a classic dark-pattern subscription trap common across Japanese mobile apps.

    The thread doesn’t converge on outrage alone — it splits over whether the price is actually unreasonable. Several posters compare it favorably to VTuber “oshi-katsu” spending, where superchat-style comments can cost far more per interaction, arguing AI chat is comparatively cheap; others insist any cap this tight, especially on a “official” character product, is an insult regardless of comparison.

    What outsiders may not grasp is why the caps exist at all: generating conversational replies via cloud LLMs incurs real per-message compute cost (tokens), unlike a VTuber’s fixed voice/video overhead — a point posters raise but don’t fully unpack. Also glossed over: the “just run it locally on two PS5s/Switch 2s” suggestions are technically naive, since consumer consoles lack the interconnects (like NVLink) needed to pool GPU memory for large models, something the thread never corrects.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hardware/Industry, “Geha”) thread “[Sad News] The App That Lets You Chat With Ryza Turned Out to Be a Pay-to-Talk Game.”

  • Heat Travels in a Straight Line as a “Quantum Wave” — First Room-Temperature Observation Sparks Buzz

    A UCLA research team has announced the first-ever room-temperature (about 27°C) observation of “quantum heat waves” — heat traveling in a straight line like a beam of light, defying the everyday assumption that heat simply spreads out in every direction. The experiment revealed a “star-shaped” temperature pattern, with thin ray-like trails of heat extending from the heating point in six directions across the crystal. On 5ch’s Science News+ board, users debated the nature of phonons — the particles that carry heat — their relationship to Bose statistics, and possible applications in semiconductors and room-temperature quantum computers.

    First room-temperature observation of heat traveling in a straight line, like light, as a “quantum wave”

    Research conducted at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) has achieved the first-ever room-temperature observation of “heat that propagates as a quantum wave” (a quantum heat wave).

    Heat is commonly understood to spread out gradually in every direction, but this experiment confirmed a phenomenon in which it instead travels dead straight, like a beam of light.

    Source: nazology.kusuguru.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 25, 2026 01:03
    The Devil Beam is a heat ray
    Armed with the power of the devil
    A hero of justice
    Devilman, Devilman
    (riffing on the theme song from the anime Devilman)
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 02:09
    Re: #4 — if that could be caught on camera, it would tie into the electromagnetic field strength from Re: #3.

    And if it does tie in, then since the electromagnetic field strength given off by human body heat is a fixed value, that would settle this 100%!
    6AnonymousAug 25, 2026 02:10
    Isn't this just infrared wave interference producing directionality?
    10AnonymousAug 25, 2026 02:22
    Re: #9

    >>When you film an ordinary material with this camera, the heat just spreads out in a plain circle around the heating point.

    >>But from that single heated point, a "star-shaped" temperature pattern emerged, with six thin rays extending perfectly straight.

    >>Rather than spreading in a circle, the heat concentrated intensely along six directions dictated by the crystal, traveling the whole way as a straight wave.

    >>That's the moment a quantum heat wave — supposedly the exclusive domain of extreme cold — was confirmed to actually happen at room temperature, around 27°C.
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 02:57
    Re: #1 — if it can be seen this clearly, like a laser, couldn't electromagnetic fields and magnets ("magnetic fields") also be filmed as laser-like beams the same way as in Re: #1?
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 06:27
    This field was glamorous all the way through the hydrogen-bomb development race, but lately it's turned into something like an old cult desperately cranking out minor gimmicks to recruit believers.
    Phonon is just a quantum of sound, an everyday physics term — what was the Japanese translation for it again?
    21AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:26
    Phonon phenomena have been known for a very long time. For instance, a diamond made purely of carbon-12 turns out to have slightly better thermal conductivity than one made from naturally occurring carbon containing a bit of C13 (because there's less phonon scattering from the difference in nuclear mass) — there's a whole body of findings like that.
    31AnonymousAug 25, 2026 09:55
    Re: #1
    Radioactivity (thermal neutron energy) works the same way.
    32AnonymousAug 25, 2026 10:31
    "But this carrier, despite being a particle, also has wave-like properties" —

    that's just a sound wave; of course it travels straight normally, even in a solid at room temperature, albeit with some scattering along the way.

    "…a resident of the quantum world." —

    the one that's actually a resident of the quantum world is the phonon, which has particle-like properties — do they even know where the word "phonon" comes from?
    33AnonymousAug 25, 2026 10:56
    Re: #32

    Does "travels straight even when it hits an object" mean a laser wider than a single atom still passes straight through?

    If an atom is the size of a period "." and the laser is the size of a circle "●", then even if it hits the atom, it envelops and passes through it, so it goes straight.
    But flip that around —

    if the atom is the size of "●" and the laser is the size of ".", then wouldn't the laser bounce off in a different direction the instant it collides with the atom?
    34AnonymousAug 25, 2026 10:59
    Phonons are bosons, so they follow Bose-Einstein statistics — that's probably why this shows up so readily at the macroscopic scale.
    35AnonymousAug 25, 2026 10:59
    You can feel this for yourself every winter, sitting in front of an electric heater.
    36AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:00
    Re: #33

    "…wouldn't the laser field bounce off in a different direction?"

    ↓

    "…wouldn't the laser bounce off in a different direction?" (fixing a typo in my post above)
    37AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:05
    When shining a laser on an atom — if you used mirrors or something to narrow the beam down to something "thinner" than a single atom, wouldn't that reveal more detail?

    If anyone here knows just how small the minimum unit of a photon actually is, that would settle whether this experiment is even possible.
    41AnonymousAug 25, 2026 13:23
    >>The interference fringes stayed robust even at high temperature. Even heated to 900K (about 627°C), the second-order>> bright fringes are still clearly observed. Under the Einstein model the fringes should vanish completely at 900K, so their survival at this high temperature can only be an effect of correlated vibrations.

    The interference fringes stayed robust even at high temperature. Even heated to 900K (about 627°C), the second-order>> bright fringes are still clearly observed. Under the Einstein model the fringes should vanish completely at 900K, so their survival at this high temperature can only be an effect of correlated vibrations.

    ↓

    >>The interference fringes stayed robust even at high temperature. Even heated to 900K (about 627°C), the second-order bright fringes are still clearly observed. Under the Einstein model the fringes should vanish completely at 900K, so their survival at this high temperature can only be an effect of correlated vibrations. (fixing a stray ">>" in the quote above)

    Background and Key Points

    Phonons — the quantized vibrations that carry heat through a solid — are not exotic new physics; the term itself is just a transliteration into Japanese (フォノン, “phonon,” from the Greek for sound), which is what one poster (#20) was really asking about when he wondered what the “Japanese translation” was and got the implicit answer: there isn’t one, because it’s borrowed English/Greek, not a domestic coinage. That trivia matters because it signals how the thread’s skeptics see the story — as familiar phonon physics repackaged with buzzwords like “quantum wave” for a press release. Directional, anisotropic heat conduction along crystal axes and reduced phonon scattering (the isotopically pure carbon-12 diamond example in #21) have been documented for decades; what’s new here is specifically achieving and imaging ballistic, wave-like phonon transport at room temperature (~27°C) rather than near absolute zero, with interference fringes reportedly surviving up to 900K (#41).

    The thread’s real split isn’t science-denial versus belief — it’s between posters treating this as an incremental, technically impressive extension of known phonon/interference physics, and posters (or the source article’s framing) treating “heat traveling like a laser” as a novel, almost magical phenomenon. A side argument (#19, #33, #37) about whether electromagnetic fields could be photographed the same way conflates photon wavelength/beam width with atomic scale, and never gets resolved.

    What the thread never engages with: why this matters practically — potential for direction-specific heat dissipation in semiconductor chips or thermal management in room-temperature quantum computing hardware — the application angle the original article raised but posters largely ignored in favor of terminology nitpicking.

    *This article is compiled as excerpts and a summary from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “[Nazology] First room-temperature observation of heat traveling in a straight line, like light, as a “quantum wave”.”

  • Mongol Invasion Arrows Found in Sunken Ship Off Nagasaki’s Takashima — Repurposed Southern Song Arrows?

    Parts of arrows have been discovered at the Takashima underwater site in Matsuura, Nagasaki Prefecture, from a ship that sank during the Mongol invasions of Japan. The arrows, coated in black lacquer with red lacquer decoration, appear to be of Southern Song origin — suggesting the Mongols repurposed arrows seized after conquering the Southern Song for their assault on Japan.

    The thread lit up with debate over how the find could even be confirmed as an arrow at all, alongside historical discussion of the power of Japanese longbows and Mongol military tactics — mixed in with some politically charged exchanges touching on China and Korea.

    8/21/2026, 10:15 AM

    It was revealed on the 20th that parts of arrows have been found at the Takashima underwater site in Matsuura, Nagasaki Prefecture, from a ship that sank during the Mongol invasions of Japan in the Kamakura period, launched by the Yuan dynasty, which then held Mongol territory.

    The arrows are believed to be from China’s Southern Song dynasty, seized by the Yuan after they conquered it and repurposed for the war against Japan.

    Source: sankei.com / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 24, 2026 05:42
    I wonder if it's different from modern-day arrows?
    3AnonymousAug 24, 2026 05:43
    The Takashima underwater site is proof that the lost continent of Mu really existed!
    5AnonymousAug 24, 2026 06:23
    You're letting your imagination run way too wild.
    How can they even confirm this is an arrow?
    Are they stupid?
    25AnonymousAug 24, 2026 11:19
    Re: #5
    They're calling it an arrow because it's an arrow — if you ask how they can be so sure, there's really no way to answer that.
    6AnonymousAug 24, 2026 07:17
    A time when the Mongols were stronger than China, huh.
    15AnonymousAug 24, 2026 07:58
    Re: #1

    "Seized from the Southern Song and repurposed for the war against Japan?"

    More like they worked the former Southern Song people to the bone and used them for the invasion of Japan.
    So it's actually pretty natural for Southern Song military gear to turn up among artifacts related to the Mongol invasions.
    18AnonymousAug 24, 2026 08:14
    Re: #1
    "The Mongol invasions, launched by the Yuan dynasty, which then held Mongol territory" —
    That phrasing alone is already hinting "this has nothing to do with China."
    Do readers in Japan even need a footnote explaining what the Yuan dynasty and the Mongol invasions were in the first place?
    Who exactly is this article written for?
    26AnonymousAug 24, 2026 11:22
    Re: #18
    They became the Mongols' underlings, sure, but then went on to revive a Chinese empire, didn't they.
    22AnonymousAug 24, 2026 09:38
    Historical studies at least still have some grounding in scientific evidence, but with religious studies it's often less a matter of "letting the imagination run wild" and more just full-blown delusion.
    23AnonymousAug 24, 2026 10:48
    Is the lacquer there to protect it from seawater?
    24AnonymousAug 24, 2026 10:54
    Back then the Kamakura samurai were vicious enough that they'd shoot passersby with bows for target practice, so the Mongol invaders were too terrified to land — but they couldn't retreat either, so they just kept sheltering out at sea indefinitely, until the typhoon finished them off.
    27AnonymousAug 24, 2026 11:27
    Back then, Japan had the wayumi — a longbow uniquely developed in Japan — that could shoot far farther than the Mongol army's bows and could even punch straight through steel-plate armor. Just look at the yabusame horseback-archery ritual and you can see how huge the wayumi really is. What's more, it was fired by warriors on horseback who'd trained and trained. Japan was already the strongest in the world at that point.
    28AnonymousAug 24, 2026 11:36
    Just look at the English longbow and you'll understand exactly how powerful this type of longbow can be.

    Back then, Japan had the wayumi — a longbow uniquely developed in Japan — that could shoot far farther than the Mongol army's bows and could even punch straight through steel-plate armor. Just look at the yabusame horseback-archery ritual and you can see how huge the wayumi really is. What's more, it was fired by professional warriors on horseback who'd trained and trained. Japan was already the strongest in the world at that point.
    29AnonymousAug 24, 2026 11:53
    Back then, Japanese warriors galloped at furious speed while accurately picking off enemy soldiers one after another. The wayumi's rate of fire was fast too.

    The Mongol troops would get wiped out almost the instant they landed.
    32AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:28
    Mongol arrows were weak — Japan didn't even need to bother copying that kind of armor-piercing design.
    33AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:29
    Such a waste that all they've recovered so far is arrows.
    35AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:56
    Re: #33
    Wooden anchors from Mongol invasion ships were recovered in 1994 and 2022.
    They're massive — search for images, it's pretty wild.
    34AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:51
    If this is from the Battle of Kōan, the core of the Jiangnan fleet was made up of former Southern Song troops, so it's not strange at all that they'd be carrying Southern Song arrows. What matters is that this is the first time one's ever been unearthed in Japan.
    38AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:58
    The Yuan army in the Mongol invasions didn't fight anything like the Mongols actually fought. It's nothing like the classic Mongol hit-and-run tactics of lightly-armed mounted archers. What you're looking at is the old Chinese-style Southern Song mass-formation warfare — infantry units advancing to the beat of gongs. In Japanese terms, it's more like the tactics used back when fighting Goguryeo.

    The horseback-archery of the Kamakura samurai was actually closer to genuine Mongol-style tactics.
    48AnonymousAug 24, 2026 20:46
    Re: #38
    Well, that's because the defeated troops just fought however they were ordered to, right?
    Were there even any actual Mongols on the ground, or was it just a handful of them there as overseers reporting back like some ruling elite up top?

    Background and Key Points

    The Takashima underwater site off Matsuura has been excavated since the 1980s as the resting place of part of the 1281 Kōan invasion fleet, the second of two Mongol assaults on Japan during the Kamakura period (the first, in 1274, is known as the Bun’ei War). Kublai Khan’s Yuan dynasty finished conquering the Southern Song only in 1279 — just two years before the second invasion — so the 1281 armada was split between an Eastern Route Army of Mongols and Koreans and a much larger Jiangnan Army built around former Southern Song ships, sailors, and equipment. That composition is why Song-style black-and-red lacquered arrows turning up at Takashima fits known troop makeup rather than being a genuine surprise; past dives at the same site have already recovered ship timbers, ceramics, exploding tetsuhau bombs, and the large wooden anchors raised in 1994 and 2022 that a couple of posters bring up.

    Where the thread actually diverged was less about that historical picture than about epistemics and national pride: one strand doubted whether fragmentary lacquered wood could be confidently identified as an arrow at all, while a larger strand talked past each other over whether Kamakura-era Japanese archery (the wayumi, invoked via the yabusame ritual) was simply superior to Mongol and Song weaponry, alongside a side argument about how much credit belongs to conscripted former-Song troops versus “real” Mongols doing the fighting.

    What the thread never really lands on is that the invasions’ failure owed far more to two typhoons — the “kamikaze” of 1274 and 1281 — hastily built coastal stone walls along Hakata Bay, and the fleet’s own poor seaworthiness than to any bow being decisively superior on the battlefield. The yabusame comparisons posters lean on are ceremonial demonstrations of horseback archery, not evidence of what actually happened in the fighting itself.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “Mongol Invasion Arrows Found in Sunken Ship — Seized from the Southern Song and Repurposed for the War Against Japan, at the Underwater Site in Matsuura, Nagasaki.”

  • Samsung Chip Division Hands Out ¥60 Million Bonuses While Phone Unit Gets Peanuts, Sparking Internal Revolt

    Samsung Electronics’ Semiconductor (DS) division is paying out bonuses of up to roughly 60 million yen, while the smartphone and home appliance division is stuck at far lower levels — prompting labor unions to protest and demand better treatment. On the thread, opinions split between those arguing “it’s only natural to weight payouts toward the division that’s actually earning the money” and those countering “it doesn’t matter which division grinds to a halt, that’s a problem either way.” OECD data showing South Korea’s average wage now exceeds Japan’s was also brought up, spreading shock at the wage gap between the two countries.

    Samsung Electronics is raking in massive profits from the AI boom, but cracks are starting to show within the organization. After handing out hefty bonuses to the semiconductor division, labor unions in other divisions are voicing objections. The huge profits are creating inequality that could undermine the “one big family” culture the company grew up on.

    Union membership surges in the smartphone/appliance division

    On the 21st, the labor union of Samsung’s DX division, which handles smartphones and home appliances, held a rally in front of Samsung’s Seoul headquarters demanding higher bonuses…

    Source: nikkei.com / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousAug 22, 2026 04:12
    Well, a 100x gap is a bit much lol
    3AnonymousAug 22, 2026 12:29
    Samsung's chip division results aren't because the employees busted their asses — it's just that old-school commodity products suddenly started selling due to market timing. Doesn't seem like the kind of workforce you need to pay huge money to retain.
    24AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:43
    Re: #3 Exactly this. Sure, there are some talented people in there, but roughly the bottom 70% of that workforce can't possibly be better than the top 10% of the phone division.
    25AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:54
    Re: #3 What are you talking about? Don't you get the problem when operations grind to a halt?
    4AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:36
    This thread's not gonna take off lol, since most Japanese people here have assets under 60 million yen (~$400k) anyway
    5AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:50
    "60 million yen, whoa" — I figured that couldn't be the bonus for regular staff or section/department-chief level. But then again, if the union is complaining about it, that must mean even rank-and-file employees are pulling in bonuses around the 10-million-yen mark, which would be insane.
    6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 13:54
    Yeah, you can't blame them for being fed up. lololol
    7AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:08
    This thread's not gonna take off lol, it's too painful for Japanese people. Breakdown of payouts within the DS division: Memory Business Unit (~28,000 people) — up to ~600 million won (~¥60-64 million) max. Shared/common organization (~30,000 people) — average ~430 million won (~¥45 million). Foundry / System LSI division (~20,000 people) — average ~210 million won (~¥22 million).
    8AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:16
    Re: #7 That's unreal… imagine someone who switched jobs there a year ago, their whole world just changed.
    9AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:20
    Re: #7 But don't they get fired before 40 anyway?
    10AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:23
    No wonder Koreans want to work at Samsung. Meanwhile Japanese people were seriously running "Samsung's going bankrupt!" smear campaigns as recently as 10 years ago lol. This thread's not gonna take off.
    12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:32
    Re: #10 > "Japanese people were seriously running Samsung-is-bankrupt smear campaigns as recently as 10 years ago" That was you, wasn't it.
    13AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:40
    Re: #10 "In 10 more years, Korea collapses! China collapses!" — that's the line, right?
    14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:56
    Re: #10 The AI bubble's about to pop anyway. And "Poor Village" (mocking nickname some posters use for South Korea) is finished too.
    11AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:31
    Meanwhile, Kioxia — riding a profit boom of its own — handed every single employee a ¥100,000 bonus.
    23AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:04
    Re: #11 That's insane lol
    15AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:57
    Unions are so strong there that no profit is left for the company — no future for "Poor Village" (mocking nickname for South Korea).
    17AnonymousAug 22, 2026 14:58
    Re: #12 The phone threads were brutal lol, Galaxy phones got trashed like garbage.
    18AnonymousAug 22, 2026 15:02
    Even working in a cleanroom in a white coat at a chip fab doesn't mean you've got a PhD — plenty of them are just high school grads, so it's a tricky call.
    19AnonymousAug 22, 2026 15:10
    Re: #14 Hyundai, Samsung, LG, Huawei, Xiaomi, BYD — in the end, neither Korea nor China collapsed, did they.
    27AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:05
    Re: #9 I guess it doesn't matter since they're earning that much anyway.
    29AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:11
    After pushing rivals out with pricing strategy, now it's basically a monopoly game. Going forward you can't source memory chips without Samsung and SK Hynix. Sure, it'd be great if Chinese makers stepped up, but their focus is the domestic Chinese market, not the global one. For this whole setup to collapse, regular people would need to be able to print their own memory chips.
    30AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:12
    If you hand out bonuses that large per person, you'd end up paying more than the profit each employee actually generates.
    31AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:13
    Re: #25 Most of them are high-school-grad line workers, or even less. In semiconductors the manufacturing equipment does the work automatically — there's no real craftsmanship involved, unlike the machinery industry.
    32AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:35
    If Japan dissolves NHK and wipes out those staffers earning 10 million yen a year, the Japan-Korea wage gap will widen even further. After all, it's those NHK "staff members" — earning over 10 million yen, the very people netizens love to bash — who are propping up Japan's average wage.
    33AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:37
    I wonder what happens if you get hit with a transfer order? Been curious about that since last year.
    34AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:10
    Korean labor unions are seriously unusual — the company can't touch them.
    35AnonymousAug 23, 2026 08:49
    Operating profit: 10 trillion yen
    36AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:29
    Well, the gap was way too extreme, but I guess that's what happens when bonuses get paid out based on revenue share.
    37AnonymousAug 24, 2026 11:02
    Revenue share? What are you even talking about?
    38AnonymousAug 24, 2026 19:39
    Wow, insane lol
    39AnonymousAug 24, 2026 20:00
    It's not just Samsung — the average figures are the bigger problem. According to the OECD, for fiscal year 2024, South Korea's average annual wage was $48,922, while Japan's was $41,509.

    Background and Key Points

    Samsung’s bonus system is built around what it calls the OPI (Overtime Performance Incentive), a semiannual payout that can run up to 800% of a division’s monthly base salary depending on how that division’s profit target was met — a structure unique to Korean chaebols and unlike Japan’s seniority-linked bonus norms. The company is split into DS (Device Solutions, semiconductors) and DX (Device eXperience, phones/TVs/appliances), and because DS has ridden the AI-driven memory and HBM boom to record profits, its OPI payouts vastly outstrip DX’s. The August 21 rally by the DX union outside Samsung’s Seoul headquarters is the latest flashpoint in a recurring, structural gap, not a one-off dispute.

    The thread’s actual disagreement wasn’t over whether the gap exists, but over whether it’s *deserved* — one camp argued bonuses should simply track which division is printing money, while others pointed out that DS’s windfall is more about favorable memory-chip pricing and timing than employee effort, and that a struggling DX could just as easily drag the whole company down.

    What outside readers likely miss is that a large share of DS’s roughly 78,000 workers are fab line staff running automated equipment, not the PhD engineers the “semiconductor genius” image implies — a point posters raised to question whether ¥60 million payouts are proportionate. Also worth noting: the OECD average-wage comparison cited (Korea $48,922 vs Japan $41,509 for FY2024) measures national averages, not Samsung salaries, so it’s a much blunter statistic than the bonus story it got attached to.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5channel (Business News+) thread “[Corporate] Samsung Chip Division’s ¥60 Million Bonus, Phones Get ¥600K, Sparking Internal Strife.”

  • Chinese Humanoid Robot Beats Bolt’s 100m Record with a 9.32 — Then Crashes and Catches Fire After the Finish Line

    At the World Humanoid Robot Games in Beijing, China, a humanoid robot ran the 100m dash in 9.32 seconds, beating Usain Bolt’s world record of 9.58 seconds. However, after crossing the finish line it failed to decelerate in time, crashed into the safety mat, and caught fire — and on 5ch, the reactions focused less on the record itself and more on the “fiery finish” punchline, along with concerns about future military applications.

    Chinese humanoid robot beats Usain Bolt in the 100m with a time of 9.32 seconds… then slams into the mat and catches fire after the finish line

    [Beijing — Ryosuke Terunuma] The “World Humanoid Robot Games,” a sporting competition testing the performance of humanoid robots, opened in Beijing on the 22nd. In the men’s 100m preliminary heat, a humanoid robot clocked 9.32 seconds (provisional), surpassing Usain Bolt’s human world record of 9.58 seconds.

    (Omitted below — please check the source for the rest of the article)

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 23, 2026 23:33
    Re: #1
    Crashes into the mat and catches fire after the finish line

    This robot really knows how to land a joke
    Funnier than Yoshimoto (Japan's biggest comedy talent agency)
    27AnonymousAug 24, 2026 18:01
    Re: #2
    Apparently at a US 155mm artillery shell plant, a robot arm went haywire and sent a shell casing flying
    then smashed a self-driving cart and slammed into a wall — instead of catching fire, it just blew a huge hole in the wall
    3AnonymousAug 23, 2026 23:40
    The fact that it's literally on fire is hilarious
    4AnonymousAug 24, 2026 00:53
    🔥Chariots of Fire (the Japanese title of the film — and now literally true)
    19AnonymousAug 24, 2026 09:38
    Re: #4
    Couldn't make the turn, crashed into the guardrail, and caught fire
    5AnonymousAug 24, 2026 01:08
    If it's gonna happen anyway, it would've been funnier if it caught fire mid-run
    6AnonymousAug 24, 2026 03:36
    Guess it can't slow down
    7AnonymousAug 24, 2026 03:45
    Do this somewhere with enough space to actually stop
    9AnonymousAug 24, 2026 06:05
    It could probably do the 400m in like 37 seconds too
    10AnonymousAug 24, 2026 06:11
    Hope the energy pack technology keeps improving
    13AnonymousAug 24, 2026 08:30
    Let's make it race Karl-kun (likely a nod to sprint legend Carl Lewis)
    15AnonymousAug 24, 2026 08:41
    Humanoid robots still don't have the durability for practical use… disposable applications only for now
    16AnonymousAug 24, 2026 08:44
    It's a machine — it should be able to run 100m in 2 or even 3 seconds if they really pushed it.
    17AnonymousAug 24, 2026 08:55
    What I'd really want to see is emergency braking beyond human capability — that's the kind of thing a robot should be doing
    20AnonymousAug 24, 2026 10:05
    It's hilarious, but this is actually a big deal
    Still, China really is fixated on humanoid robots
    21AnonymousAug 24, 2026 10:12
    Truly Chariots of Fire
    Vangelis's theme is playing in my head right now
    23AnonymousAug 24, 2026 10:35
    Now I can picture it — our future in elder care
    24AnonymousAug 24, 2026 10:43
    Probably not light, and looks pretty hard
    Getting hit by that would hurt — like a real "insurance-scam pedestrian" (someone who deliberately steps in front of vehicles for a payout)
    25AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:43
    Guess it'll end up used for trench warfare or amphibious landings?
    34AnonymousAug 24, 2026 20:32
    Re: #25
    The one that charges at enemies of Her Majesty is the Panjandrum (a WWII British experimental rocket-propelled explosive wheel that famously went out of control)

    The one that charges at enemies of General Secretary Xi Jinping is the robot conscript from Re: #1 (i.e., a Chinese army private)
    37AnonymousAug 24, 2026 21:03
    Re: #25
    Yeah. Though right now all it can manage is a suicidal "banzai charge."
    26AnonymousAug 24, 2026 14:44
    The way it collapses and burns at the end is the best part
    28AnonymousAug 24, 2026 19:16
    Re: #1
    If this had happened in Japan, people would probably criticize the safety issue from the fire more than praise the good time.

    Over there they seem willing to just laugh off both the failure and the safety concerns, which might actually make for a better environment for R&D.
    29AnonymousAug 24, 2026 19:16
    It'd be terrifying if a hundred of these came charging at you in a line
    and then they explode at the end on top of that
    They'll probably learn to handle rough terrain too
    This is Terminator territory, no doubt
    And China would rush to put these to military use in no time
    30AnonymousAug 24, 2026 19:34
    As long as the battery holds out, it could probably keep running for miles at this speed
    31AnonymousAug 24, 2026 19:43
    Can't think of any use for this besides a military kamikaze attack
    32AnonymousAug 24, 2026 20:24
    Re: #1
    Pretty dramatic ending, not bad at all
    36AnonymousAug 24, 2026 20:46
    Wouldn't it be more productive to have them manufacture things instead of running track meets?

    …oh right, China's currently dealing with a serious demand shortage.
    38AnonymousAug 24, 2026 21:06
    Burned out, pure white to the end (a callback to the famous line from the boxing manga Ashita no Joe)
    39AnonymousAug 24, 2026 21:16
    Getting hit by a machine like that would be no joke.

    Background and Key Points

    The World Humanoid Robot Games is a real Chinese state-backed event, first staged in Beijing in 2025 as a showcase for China’s humanoid-robotics industry, which Beijing has designated a strategic “new productive forces” sector with heavy subsidy support. Usain Bolt’s actual 100m record is 9.58 seconds, set at the 2009 Berlin World Championships — still the benchmark every sprint story measures against, human or otherwise. Framing a robot’s 9.32s as “beating Bolt” makes for a great headline, but competitive humanoid-robot sprints are a young, loosely standardized category: designs, sizes, and assistance mechanisms vary widely between entrants, so it isn’t the apples-to-apples athletic comparison the number implies.

    The thread wasn’t really divided on whether the run was impressive — almost everyone treated the fiery crash as the real punchline, riffing on “Chariots of Fire” and Ashita no Joe. The actual split was between posters happy to just laugh off both the failure and the safety scare (with one noting that this permissiveness might be exactly why China’s robotics R&D moves faster than Japan’s more risk-averse culture would allow) versus posters who pivoted straight to unease about battle-ready applications — kamikaze charges, trench warfare, PLA use.

    What the thread never engages with is the mundane cause: humanoid robots at speed carry lithium battery packs, and a hard, uncontrolled impact into a fixed barrier is a textbook trigger for thermal runaway — the same failure mode behind e-bike and EV battery fires, not evidence of some exotic new danger unique to this machine.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “Chinese Humanoid Robot Beats Usain Bolt in the 100m With 9.32 Seconds… Then Crashes Into the Mat and Catches Fire After the Finish Line.”