Category: Society

  • Even Instant Noodles Are Getting Pricier — 5ch: ‘That’s How Bad the Rice Price Spike Really Was’

    According to data compiled by the World Instant Noodles Association, global demand for instant noodles last year reached 124.2 billion servings, up 0.7% year-on-year. A 5ch thread picked up an article noting that in Japan, soaring rice prices are boosting instant noodles’ reputation as an alternative staple.

    The thread split over price comparisons — “cheaper than rice” versus “no, rice is still cheaper” — while debate also spread to health concerns and the state of instant noodles overseas, from Shin Ramyun to Thai and Vietnamese packet noodles.

    Demand for instant ramen is on the rise.

    The World Instant Noodles Association, made up of 104 companies worldwide, released its instant ramen demand figures for last year.

    Global demand came to 124.2 billion servings, a 0.7% increase from the previous year.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:54
    Seriously?
    Wouldn't touch it even for free
    That stuff's so unhealthy
    46AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:04
    Re: #3
    For real
    The top two staples that grew because of the rice price spike are instant noodles and bread
    Other things grew too, but these two saw insane growth
    Unlike rice, they're easy to eat, so a small price drop isn't going to bring people back to rice
    Unbeatable time-efficiency ("taipa" — time performance)
    99AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:13
    Re: #3
    You're already eating worse stuff every meal
    188AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:28
    Re: #3
    You're fine as long as you're not consuming oxidized oil
    Instant ramen is healthy

    Drink some vegetable juice too
    Nutritional balance is what matters
    6AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:55
    And that's with instant noodles getting pricier too
    Which just shows how brutal the rice price spike really was
    267AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:41
    Re: #6
    Instant noodles have basically doubled in price too
    7AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:55
    Proof we're getting poorer
    54AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:05
    Re: #7
    Even after the price hike, junky packaged bread is still cheaper and fills you up more
    63AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:07
    Re: #7
    Honestly it's still way more expensive than rice
    8AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:55
    There's no real substitute for rice
    I'll die of diabetes
    19AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:57
    Re: #8
    Rice has plenty of sugar too, doesn't it
    Ramen's the scary one for salt, surely
    20AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:57
    If even cup noodles get this expensive, poor people are gonna start a riot lol
    30AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:58
    Re: #20
    Poor people can just eat packet ramen.
    No idea what people without a kitchen are supposed to do
    23AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:58
    Shin Ramyun is a superfood that never runs out of stock, even during disasters
    109AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:15
    Re: #23
    The miracle food! Shin Ramyun!
    25AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:58
    Japan's time is coming. Japanese instant noodles are the best in the world
    31AnonymousAug 23, 2026 12:59
    Re: #25
    I heard Korean ones are actually more popular overseas, but no idea if that's true
    41AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:02
    Haven't touched poison like ramen or curry since last year 🤧
    49AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:04
    Re: #41
    Skip curry and you'll die early
    43AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:02
    Udon or soba is fine, ramen's bad for you
    62AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:07
    Re: #43
    Normally you just throw in some quick stir-fried veggies
    57AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:06
    Re: #54
    Did you know sweet bread rolls are worse for you than cigarettes?
    80AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:09
    Re: #57
    Didn't know that
    What's so bad about them?
    72AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:08
    Even packet ramen is a lot pricier than pasta. Though I guess if you're dumb enough to buy pasta sauce too, it ends up costing more than instant ramen.
    90AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:11
    Re: #72
    Agreed, once you realize pasta's about 200 yen per kg — 20 yen a serving — ramen starts to feel expensive
    144AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:21
    Rice may be expensive, but isn't it still cheaper than a single cup noodle?
    156AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:23
    Re: #144
    Only if you skip the side dishes
    158AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:23
    Re: #144
    Rice itself is getting cheaper, but those convenient microwaveable rice packs are still pricey
    166AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:24
    Re: #144
    A store-brand packet of ramen is cheaper than half a "go" of rice (about 75g)
    So eating ramen actually works out cheaper
    163AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:24
    Chinese people really love packet noodles that much?
    182AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:27
    Re: #163
    Chinese and Korean airlines even stock cup noodles in their first-class lounges
    187AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:28
    Re: #163
    They've loved noodles for like 5,000 years, after all
    172AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:25
    Lifestyle diseases are gonna spread worldwide at this rate
    180AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:27
    Re: #172
    The newer ones have vitamins mixed right in
    There are even "complete meal" versions now
    "Bad for you" is old news
    225AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:35
    Re: #180
    Sodium, fat, and phosphorus

    AGEs (advanced glycation end-products)
    290AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:45
    Re: #225
    This one should be fine then
    Apparently it's a "complete" meal
    249AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:38
    Imported instant noodles from Thailand or Vietnam are cheap, but they just don't seem to suit Japanese tastes
    252AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:39
    Re: #249
    Over there they take a packet noodle base and heavily doctor it up before eating
    270AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:41
    Re: #249
    Thailand's Yum Yum Tom Yum noodles are delicious
    Back when the yen was strong you could get 5 packs for about 150 yen, but now it's more like 300 — this weak yen sucks
    288AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:45
    Re: #249
    Had a cheap cup noodle in Vietnam and it was great. Checked the maker and it was Maruchan lol
    Wish they'd sell the same product in Japan

    Background and Key Points

    Global demand for instant noodles is tracked annually by the World Instant Noodles Association (WINA), an industry body of 104 member companies worldwide; the figure cited, 124.2 billion servings, up 0.7% year-on-year, is the aggregate across all markets, not a Japan-specific number. The Japan angle is that rice prices have spiked sharply over the past two years, driven by a poor 2023 harvest, hoarding after a “mega-quake” advisory scare, and supply-chain distortions tied to Japan’s rice distribution and stockpile system, and this has pushed some consumers toward cheaper, shelf-stable substitutes like instant noodles and bread.

    The thread’s actual disagreement was narrow: is instant ramen now cheaper than rice, or not. Posters cited concrete comparisons — a store-brand packet allegedly undercutting even a small 75g rice serving, versus others noting that once you factor in side dishes or compare to bulk rice, rice remains cheaper. This wasn’t a debate about noodles’ merits generally, just unit-price math, and it never resolved.

    What outside readers likely miss: Japanese rice pricing is not a free market in the way instant noodle pricing is. Rice has historically been protected by production-adjustment policy (the former “gentan” acreage-reduction scheme) and JA (Japan Agricultural Cooperatives) distribution channels, so price spikes there reflect policy and stockpile decisions as much as raw supply and demand. The thread also never mentioned that instant noodle prices themselves have risen (posters said “roughly doubled”) due to wheat, palm oil, and energy costs plus yen weakness — the “cheap alternative” framing undersells that noodles are also inflating, just from a lower base, which is part of why the comparison felt contentious rather than obvious.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “Global demand for instant ramen is rising. In Japan, rising rice prices are boosting its reputation as an alternative food”.

  • “Keyboard Keychains” Spark Massive Lines in Harajuku — Even Grade-Schoolers Are Using Them to Blow Off Steam

    The cause of the crowds forming in Harajuku this summer break: keychains shaped like keyboards that let you enjoy that satisfying “clack-clack” feel. They’re popular enough that even elementary schoolers are using them to relieve stress, but on 5ch, users traded skeptical takes — questioning whether the “it’s huge in Korea” story is even true, and dismissing it as just another fad in the vein of Rubik’s Cubes or fidget spinners.

    Right now, “keyboard keychains” are drawing huge lines in Harajuku. With their addictive “clack-clack” feel and the fun of customizing them to your own taste, more and more people — kids and adults alike — are getting hooked! We took a look at this buzzworthy new trend.

    It’s the tail end of summer vacation! A long line has formed in Harajuku, Tokyo. So what is everyone here for?

    “I came here to build a keyboard keychain.”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    5AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:52
    Some idiot's gonna start clacking that thing everywhere, no matter where he is lol
    19AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:01
    Re: #5
    Seriously, lol
    Sounds like it's gonna start fights like "clack clack clack, shut up already, moron!"
    10AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:56
    Sounds perfect for a guy like me who used to gnaw on pencils like crazy
    192AnonymousAug 23, 2026 16:52
    Re: #10
    That reminded me of myself
    My parents used to worry and ask if I was hungry (because of the chewing noise)
    11AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:57
    Hiroshi & Keyboard
    Built myself a campfire stand, y'know
    In year three (riffing on comedian Hiroshi's deadpan solo-camping monologue style)
    206AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:10
    Re: #11
    So what, you're saying you got cheated on?
    23AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:04
    If the person on my left is squishing a squishy stress toy and the person on my right is clacking one of these, that'd stress me out more, not less
    145AnonymousAug 23, 2026 16:07
    Re: #23
    Same with the squishy-toy boom — stuff like that makes me seriously worried about Japan lol
    39AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:10
    Wait, seriously? You can pick the switch type?
    51AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:12
    Re: #39
    Just snap it while pretending to clean it
    58AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:14
    Also, those neck-fan/cooler things are annoying too — felt like having a snake wrapped around my neck, so gross. Bought one at Don Quijote and threw it out within 30 minutes
    70AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:17
    Just buy an actual mechanical keyboard and carry that around instead
    115AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:46
    Re: #70
    Kind of gives off Reiwa-era Tony Tani vibes (a flamboyant Showa-era comedian/entertainer known for outlandish gimmicks)
    76AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:23
    This is what I got for my elite early education

    82AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:29
    You can get an actual keyboard for about 1000 yen, so 2700 yen for this feels like a bit much
    85AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:31
    Re: #82
    You're not getting a mechanical keyboard for a thousand yen
    88AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:33
    Those old IBM keyboards
    94AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:35
    Re: #88
    Those were genuinely good
    The early Apple ones were nice too
    But once the price wars kicked in, they all turned to junk
    148AnonymousAug 23, 2026 16:09
    Re: #94
    The ones with that absurdly thick, heavy coiled cable! Lol
    92AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:35
    They featured it on TV and said it's "going viral in Korea"
    98AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:36
    Re: #92
    It's actually been popular over there for quite a while now
    106AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:40
    Re: #92
    My bad
    Seems like it was more of a manufactured/forced trend
    108AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:41
    Back in the day, people used to pop bubble wrap (packing cushioning material) for fun
    109AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:42
    Re: #108
    Sounds like the bubble wrap company is doing just fine business-wise
    114AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:46
    Feels like something you'd find on AliExpress
    126AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:53
    Re: #114
    Bought one of those years ago
    133AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:57
    Isn't this the same thing?
    https://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/news/1136595.html
    136AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:59
    Re: #133
    If it lets you reboot your PC from anywhere, that's a steal lol
    164AnonymousAug 23, 2026 16:23
    Speaking of clacking, this comes to mind — I was wondering why I hadn't seen it around, turns out it got banned
    176AnonymousAug 23, 2026 16:38
    With premium contactless keyboards like RealForce, the whole selling point is that they DON'T clack at all — you really never know what's going to catch on with people
    197AnonymousAug 23, 2026 16:59
    Re: #176
    That's not exactly a selling point lol
    204AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:08
    Back in our day it was Hudson's Shu-Watch, right?
    205AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:09
    When you're using a PC, buttons are just everywhere, nothing special — is it because smartphones don't have physical buttons anymore that this feels novel? Not that a phone with physical buttons would necessarily sell either… but if it lights up, maybe it'd even help as an anti-crime deterrent
    207AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:11
    Re: #205
    Makes me nostalgic for the straight-bar-style flip phone (feature phone) era

    Background and Key Points

    Keyboard keychains (“キーボードキーホルダー”) are miniature replica mechanical keyboards—usually 3–5 keys wide—sold as clip-on accessories, riding the same tactile-fidget wave that brought fidget spinners and Rubik’s Cubes to Japan roughly a decade ago and, more recently, “pop-it” squishy toys. They retail for around 2,700 yen, several times the price of a bargain full-size USB keyboard (around 1,000 yen in Japan), because they use genuine mechanical switches—the same spring-loaded components inside keyboards like Topre’s RealForce line, a premium Japanese brand whose whole selling point is a near-silent keystroke, the opposite of what’s driving this trend. Harajuku, Tokyo’s teen-fashion district, is a habitual launchpad for this kind of viral novelty item during summer break, when school is out and foot traffic from kids is highest.

    The thread’s actual disagreement was less about the toy than about the marketing claim behind it: several posters pushed back on the TV report’s framing that it’s “huge in Korea,” with one user (92) noting the show presented it that way and another (106) concluding it looked more like a manufactured trend than an organic Korean import. That’s the split—authenticity of the origin story, not whether the product itself is fun.

    What the thread never engages with is why this particular sensation is landing now: with smartphones having eliminated physical buttons entirely, a generation of kids has grown up with almost no tactile click feedback in daily life, which several posters gestured at (205) without connecting it to the keychain’s appeal directly. Readers unfamiliar with Japan might also assume this is a niche otaku gadget; it’s closer to a Japanese equivalent of Western pop-it mania, spanning schoolkids to adults.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “The addictive “clack-clack” feel of “keyboard keychains” — even elementary schoolers use them to blow off stress! Huge lines in Harajuku this summer break.”

  • Vending Machines Face Headwinds: Beverage Makers Search for New Angles — 5ch: “What We Want Is Convenience, Selection, and Price”

    Beverage makers including Kirin, Suntory, and Dydo have begun overhauling their vending machine businesses, which face headwinds from consumers’ growing thrift and a shortage of staff to restock machines. On 5ch, the view that “what we want from vending machines isn’t novelty — it’s convenience, selection, and price” drew wide support, while posters also swapped relatable stories about disappointing canned coffee, vanishing trash cans, and the decline of alcohol and cigarette vending machines.

    Published 8/22 (Sat) 11:10

    Newswitch

    Beverage makers are rebuilding their vending machine businesses. Kirin Beverage is adding entertainment elements to its machines to boost awareness of its health drinks for kids. Suntory set up vending machines dedicated solely to non-alcoholic beverages for a limited time. Dydo Drinco, which gets 90% of its sales through vending machine channels, has refreshed its brand logo and other elements to win over younger customers. The vending machine business faces headwinds from consumers’ growing thrift and a shortage of workers to restock machines. Each company is rethinking vending machines — a crucial point of contact with consumers — as they work to create new value. (Editorial writer: Yumiko Egami)

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:56
    What would you actually be glad to find sold in a vending machine?
    7AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:57
    Re: #4
    Maybe stuff that's awkward for middle/high school boys to buy in a store?
    163AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:58
    Re: #4
    Hamburgers and corned beef sandwiches
    12AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:59
    What I want from a vending machine isn't fun or added value.
    Convenience, selection, price.
    That's it.
    42AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:14
    Re: #12
    Still, when those four digital reels spin around and line up for a 'one more can, free!' — that still gets me excited even past 40.
    99AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:44
    Re: #42
    I think I've won it once or twice, but it always hits at the moment you'd least expect it — right when you don't even want another one.
    160AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:51
    Re: #42
    I won it three times in one week once.
    In the 50 years since, I've won it exactly once.
    16AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:00
    Chill it colder! Ice-cold, dammit.
    52AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:20
    Re: #16
    Vending machines these days are energy-saving, so drinks aren't ice-cold anymore — not worth paying extra just for that.
    78AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:30
    Re: #16
    Wonder if this was just a countryside 7-Eleven thing.
    Can't remember how many years ago now, but a regional 7-Eleven had a dedicated in-store vending machine selling Coca-Cola and Sprite.
    Those bottles were nice and cold — I liked that.
    It was one of those machines where you used a special card to dispense the bottle.
    30AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:08
    What's the deal with a non-alcohol-only vending machine?
    Machines that actually sell alcohol are already far rarer.
    Feels like I've only ever seen those at old mom-and-pop liquor shops and hotels.
    93AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:40
    Re: #30
    Alcohol vending machines are basically an endangered species at this point — time to update from the Showa era.
    Same goes for cigarette machines, though those got a bit of a reprieve thanks to Taspo (the age-verification IC card) — but they're endangered too now… and the reason isn't what you'd guess: it's simply that these are age-restricted products. Alcohol is never coming back to vending machines.
    31AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:08
    150 yen is actually on the cheap end now.
    180 or 190 yen is becoming the norm.
    At a supermarket or drugstore it's about 100 yen.
    Even convenience stores sell it for around 130.
    Honestly the only people still buying from vending machines are construction workers.
    They just can't leave the site, so they're stuck buying it.
    56AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:21
    Re: #31
    Construction sites usually have a machine placed right there for exactly that.
    72AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:27
    Re: #31
    When I'm out on rounds for work, I sometimes buy canned coffee or a bottled drink at a convenience store downtown.
    And here's the thing —
    once, while still carrying a bottled drink I'd bought earlier, I walked into a different convenience store to buy something else, and they nearly tried to charge me for the bottle I was already carrying.
    Now whenever I'm walking around downtown, I make sure to get a security tape put on it (the strip stores use to show a drink wasn't shoplifted).
    33AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:09
    Haven't bought a drink from a vending machine in years now.
    Convenience stores are just so much cheaper.
    64AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:24
    Re: #33
    Depends on your area and where you go.
    You probably don't have a 100-yen coffee vending machine near you, right?
    Out in the countryside there are 100-yen machines along the roadside (red ones where I'm from).
    I sometimes buy canned coffee there, or the 150-yen bottled coffee drinks.
    The bottled ones especially — I grab one before heading to pachinko.
    36AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:10
    Who are non-alcoholic drinks even for, and why do they exist?
    If you want the non-alcoholic version, just drink real alcohol.
    And if you can't drink for some reason, just have a soft drink.
    To me they're a total mystery beverage.
    39AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:13
    Re: #36
    Sometimes you want the taste but don't want to actually get drunk.
    40AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:13
    > This is the company's first time installing a non-alcoholic beverage vending machine in a public space.

    We barely see machines that sell alcohol in the first place, so what's the big deal here?
    If all they did was roll out a model that's simply banned from stocking alcohol, that's just the person in charge being clueless.
    If you're going to tout this as a 'first,' at least tell us what percentage of existing vending machines actually carry alcohol.
    48AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:19
    Re: #40
    Release of "Status of Alcohol Vending Machine Installations" (as of April 1, 2025 [Reiwa 7])
    https://www.nta.go.jp/taxes/sake/miseinen/jihanki2025/01.htm
    59AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:23
    Coca-Cola vending machines have started stocking Monster Energy.

    Monster Energy is actually sold by Asahi Soft Drinks,
    and Coca-Cola and Asahi are rivals in the vending machine business —
    yet somehow they're teaming up.

    And sure enough, you'll find Coca-Cola products in Asahi's vending machines too.
    95AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:41
    Re: #59
    That kind of thing gets decided by the distributor or whoever installed the machine.
    Apparently if you're friendly with them, you can request whatever you like within reason.
    110AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:50
    Re: #59
    I used to know the inside story — Asahi's own soft drink lineup is small, so it doesn't really compete.
    For alcohol like beer, there's sometimes a directive from Asahi Beer's parent company, sometimes not.
    Monster is similar in that Asahi acts more like an import agent for it.
    No idea if that's still how it works now, though.
    69AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:26
    There's a convenience store right there —
    no point paying more at a vending machine.
    75AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:28
    Re: #69
    There's a supermarket right there —
    no point paying more at a convenience store.
    82AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:32

    Vending machine near my place. Hard to read the prices because of the lighting, but almost everything's 100 yen. Pretty solid lineup, right?
    87AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:34
    I've got two of those slightly pricey foreign-made bottle-style water flasks.
    No rubber gasket, but they never leak at all.
    I fill them with water and carry them around lol.
    Been using them for over 10 years now.
    89AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:37
    Re: #87
    I keep meaning to buy one but always forget — I want one of those Nitori freezer-safe water bottles.
    Usually I just freeze a 500ml PET bottle overnight and drink it during the day.
    Barley tea, mostly.
    113AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:53
    Vending machines burn through electricity, it's just not worth it.
    Plus flies and wasps swarm the trash cans.
    116AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:57
    Re: #113
    The trash cans that used to come with vending machines have been disappearing even faster than the machines themselves.
    122AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:07
    Canned coffee tastes like ditch water or sewage.
    Don't waste precious coffee beans on that stuff.
    126AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:14
    Re: #122
    Oh, so ditch water tastes like coffee? lol
    154AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:46
    Re: #122
    Well, some of it does hit you with a nasty smell.
    Though canned coffee has added flavoring in it, so it's not that bad.
    159AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:51
    Re: #122
    If you swapped the contents of a can of coffee for coffee brewed by the world's best barista, would you even notice?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyjsnr2m2U
    131AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:20
    Vending machines with no trash can should be banned.
    133AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:24
    Re: #131
    That's because there are idiots who stuff their household trash into that tiny slot.
    135AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:27
    A special-grade cursed vending machine (a nod to the "special-grade cursed object" from Jujutsu Kaisen)
    140AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:35
    There's a 1-in-8,192 chance every drink inside comes out at once (8,192 is a nod to the classic Pokémon shiny-encounter-odds meme).
    145AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:40
    Re: #140
    Years ago I once had 500-yen coins come pouring out as change, like hitting the jackpot on a slot machine.

    Background and Key Points

    Japan has long had one of the densest vending machine networks in the world — at its peak around 2000 there were roughly 5.6 million machines nationwide, a figure that has since fallen toward 4 million as convenience stores, thrift-minded consumers, and a shrinking pool of restocking labor squeeze margins. The specific machine types debated in the thread have their own regulatory history: alcohol vending machines were phased out through a voluntary industry target set around 2000 after concerns about underage sales, which is why a poster could cite the National Tax Agency’s official yearly count of remaining licensed alcohol machines (an actual government dataset, not an estimate). Cigarette machines survived longer because Taspo, the IC age-verification card introduced in 2008, let the industry self-police, but Taspo never applied to alcohol, so that category simply kept shrinking to near zero — context the article’s “non-alcohol-only vending machine” novelty depends on.

    The thread’s real fault line wasn’t nostalgia versus modernity, but what “value” should mean for a vending machine at all: one camp wanted manufacturers to stop chasing gimmicks and just compete on convenience, selection, and price, while others admitted they still get a small dopamine hit from the free-can lottery reels — meaning even the “just the basics” crowd isn’t fully immune to the novelty features companies are betting on.

    What outside readers likely miss is that vending machine pricing in Japan is not centrally set — it varies by installer, region, and even personal relationships with the distributor (as posters noted about Coca-Cola and Asahi machines cross-stocking each other’s brands), so the 100-yen roadside machines and 190-yen urban ones described in the thread aren’t contradictory data points but a genuinely fragmented, hyperlocal pricing system.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “Vending Machines Facing Headwinds… Can Beverage Makers Create New Value Through Various Tactics? 【Non-Alcohol-Only Vending Machines】“.

  • Seniors Say Pension Alone Isn’t Enough to Live On: 5ch Reacts — “Coast Through a Day, Pocket ¥10,000”

    A Nippon TV News report on seniors who can’t get by on their pensions alone and end up doing jobs like traffic control under the blazing sun drew a wave of reactions on 5ch’s Newsplus board. Posters discussed the going rate for traffic guard work — about ¥10,000 a day — and how the job is often set up to keep elderly workers from collapsing on the job.

    The average monthly payout for the employee pension (kosei nenkin) — around ¥210,000 — was also brought up, sparking a split debate over the gap with households relying on the basic national pension alone, and over fairness between generations in shouldering the burden.

    [Life on a Pension] “I Have No Choice But to Work” — Seniors Toil in the Blazing Heat, Earning “¥10,000 a Day”; the Harsh Extra Costs of Obon Season… Saving on Electricity Bills by Beating the Heat (“every. Ki ni Naru!”)

    Sun, Aug 23, 11:27 AM JST

    Nippon TV News NNN

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:12
    So in the end, are they going to die getting hit by a train while pulling weeds?
    37AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:19
    Re: #4
    My family gets the money (after I'm gone), so I'm fine with that too.
    127AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:32
    Re: #4
    I don't want to end up like you either — found a month after I've died.
    5AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:13
    Makes me worry about the people doing road construction or traffic control out in this blazing heat — hope they don't collapse.
    61AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:24
    Re: #5
    Right…
    Well, traffic control is a job somebody's got to do, though.
    63AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:24
    Re: #5
    It's fine —
    when it comes to traffic guiding, the old guys get put in the spots least likely to make them collapse, like standing in the shade or an easy post.
    Just coast through the day like that and it's ¥10,000.
    Once a guy gets a taste of that, he never quits the job.
    Meanwhile the younger crew backing them up on-site (though "young" here means 40s-50s) push themselves too hard and end up collapsing, getting sick, or dying off.
    That's why wherever you look, it's the old guys who stand out as traffic guards.
    That's basically it.
    10AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:14
    Getting married in the middle of this depression? You'd have to be out of your mind.
    11AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:15
    Re: #10
    There's still the dual-income benefit though.
    138AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:34
    Re: #10
    If a real depression hits, you're going to regret writing that.
    55AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:23
    Plenty of people who worked regular salaried jobs still don't have enough pension.
    It's been cut back a lot because of all the people who made noise about pensions being 'too generous.'
    107AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:29
    Re: #55
    With stuff like the invoice system hitting the self-employed, it feels like the government's pitting salaried workers against everyone else and steering things wherever's convenient for them.
    67AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:25
    The pension system's basically broken already — just dissolve it, refund everyone's contributions, and let people handle their own retirement.
    83AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:27
    Re: #67
    Do that and all those financial products you guys love so much would crash, and you'd get a real depression.
    85AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:27
    I mean, that generation barely paid any taxes and still comes out ahead on their pension, so hearing them complain it's tough is a bit much.
    Meanwhile their grandkids will pay more than double in taxes over their lifetime and get almost nothing back before they die.
    101AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:29
    With just the national pension, you basically have to work until you die.
    111AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:30
    Re: #101
    That's basically always been true.
    In Japan, aside from civil servants, pensions have basically been the private sector's responsibility all along, and that hasn't changed.
    196AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:40
    Re: #101
    For the self-employed, sure, that's how it is.
    140AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:34
    Wonder how much a month the Employment Ice Age generation (Japan's lost generation of job-seekers in the '90s-2000s recession) will end up getting lolol
    150AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:34
    Re: #140
    I wouldn't be surprised if they cut pensions for people who never had kids.
    171AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:37
    You see news all the time about elderly people falling into poverty because their pension isn't enough, but didn't they pay into it properly when they were young, or set aside savings and a private pension?
    178AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:38
    Re: #171
    That's pretty much it.
    195AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:40
    Re: #171
    What gets me is that my own parents, who are the same generation, did it right.
    These people probably blew their money on cars they couldn't really afford during the bubble era.
    211AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:43
    Re: #1
    What shocks foreign tourists when they come to Japan is seeing old people working everywhere.
    They look at it with pity, you know.
    229AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:45
    Re: #211
    Though the foreigners too poor to even travel to Japan are living on the streets back home.
    231AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:45
    Re: #211
    Makes you wonder what other countries, especially developed ones, are doing about this.
    They've got the same low birthrate/aging population problem, and it's not like they're all sitting on piles of assets.
    219AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:43
    The average public pension payout in Japan is about ¥59,000/month for the national pension (basic old-age pension) and about ¥151,000/month for the employee pension (kosei nenkin, including the basic pension portion).

    People getting the employee pension have ¥210,000 a month, so they're totally fine.
    234AnonymousAug 23, 2026 17:45
    Re: #219
    It says the employee pension figure already includes the basic pension, so isn't it ¥151,000?

    Background and Key Points

    Japan runs two public pension tiers. The kokumin nenkin (national/basic pension) is mandatory for everyone, including the self-employed and homemakers, and pays a flat rate regardless of income — averaging roughly ¥59,000/month, well below what’s needed to live alone. On top of that, company employees and civil servants pay into kosei nenkin (employee pension), an earnings-linked add-on that brings their average combined payout to around ¥151,000–¥210,000/month, depending on how it’s tallied. This two-tier gap is precisely why the “traffic guard” jobs in the report exist: many older people doing this work spent their careers self-employed or in non-regular jobs and draw only the basic pension. Local governments and staffing agencies also lean on elderly workers for these posts through shirogane jinzai centers (senior work-placement bureaus), which deliberately assign lighter duty — shade, low-traffic corners — to keep them from collapsing, which is what several posters described.

    The thread’s real fault line wasn’t “pension vs. poverty” in the abstract, but whether ¥210,000/month (employee pension) counts as “fine” while only the ¥59,000 national-pension-only households are the actual crisis — a distinction that also maps onto a generational-fairness argument: today’s retirees paid into a system now seen as underfunded, while younger workers expect to pay far more and receive less.

    One thing the thread muddles rather than clarifies: post 234 catches that the ¥151,000 employee-pension figure already includes the basic pension portion, meaning the ¥210,000 number floated earlier likely double-counts — a common error even in Japanese reporting on this topic.

    *This article was compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Newsplus) thread “[Life on a Pension] ‘I Have No Choice But to Work’ — Seniors Toil in the Blazing Heat.”

  • Mobile Batteries Keep Catching Fire: Japan to Mandate Third-Party Inspections as Most Sold Domestically Are Chinese-Made

    Following a string of fire incidents involving mobile power banks, the Japanese government has settled on a policy to mandate third-party inspections. In the 5ch thread, users — largely taking for granted that most power banks are Chinese-made — debated the reliability of individual brands like Anker and how much the PSE safety mark actually accomplishes in practice.

    Sun, Aug 23, 5:01 AM (JST)

    Yomiuri Shimbun Online

    Following a string of fire incidents involving mobile power banks, the Japanese government has settled on a policy to drastically strengthen safety regulations. The centerpiece is mandating inspections by third-party organizations, aimed at tightening checks at the manufacturing stage and preventing substandard products from reaching the market. The government plans to announce the policy within the month, targeting implementation within the current fiscal year through revisions to relevant ministerial ordinances.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:16
    Guess there really are people out there buying Chinese-made power banks.
    7AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:17
    Re: #4
    And what brand of power bank do YOU use, then?
    9AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:19
    Re: #4
    Power banks are basically all Chinese-made at this point — it's not "Chinese vs. not," it's just good Chinese-made vs. bad Chinese-made.
    8AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:18
    Not just power banks — I stopped keeping rechargeable lights in my car too.
    Don't need that catching fire on me.
    12AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:19
    Re: #8
    Same goes for handheld fans, so don't leave those in there either.
    10AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:19
    I don't get how people are willing to buy no-name power banks.
    18AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:22
    Re: #10
    Does Anker even count as a real brand?
    11AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:19
    > Self-inspection
    > A high-grade PSE mark backed by third-party inspection

    Wait, there are TWO kinds of PSE marks???
    19AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:22
    Re: #11
    There's a triangle one and a circle one —
    one's checked by a third-party body, the other the maker just slaps on itself more or less voluntarily.
    93AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:48
    Re: #11
    The registered inspection body just reviews the manufacturer's self-inspection documents "on paper."

    They're technically supposed to inspect the factories too, but that only means confirming the test equipment works — there's no way to actually verify whether the self-inspection was done properly, so they just don't check.

    And of course, a PSE mark can still be issued even when the inspection was done by a Chinese registered inspection body.


    According to METI (Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry), this is apparently all perfectly safe and secure lol
    22AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:23
    They've started selling semi-solid-state power banks recently.
    170AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:50
    Re: #22
    Just go with lithium iron phosphate (LFP) then.
    28AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:24
    Still using a Buffalo power bank from 15 years ago.
    Zero issues whatsoever.
    34AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:25
    Re: #28
    Makes you wonder what actually separates the batteries that last for years from the short-lived ones.
    Japanese makers really ought to be advertising this strength more.
    86AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:44
    Re: #28
    My eneloop mobile booster (aka "mobab") — bought it around the time of the 3/11 earthquake — is still going strong.
    My Panasonic one died long ago, but the Sanyo-made stuff really holds up.
    33AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:25
    Honestly, can't we just ban Chinese batteries outright at this point?
    38AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:27
    Re: #33
    But if you did that, almost no other country even makes power banks, so they'd basically vanish from the market lol
    35AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:26
    Even Anker used to feel like some sketchy Chinese brand back in the day.
    42AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:28
    Re: #35
    Still sketchy now, honestly.
    57AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:33
    Re: #35
    Back then they used Panasonic's tough, safe cells.
    68AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:37
    Re: #35
    Anker… more like "Akan-ker" (a pun on "akan," Japanese slang for "no good").
    43AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:28
    Looked into it — there isn't a single Japanese-made lithium-ion cell left.
    Maxell used to make them but gave that up ages ago.
    So it really comes down to a choice between the bulky, high-safety type or the compact lithium-ion type.
    95AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:48
    Re: #43
    You mean cylindrical cells vs. LiPo?
    I've got one of the Maxell cylindrical ones — 6700mAh, not huge capacity, but plenty unless you're gaming on it.
    48AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:30
    I used to use an Elecom power bank, but it swelled up within a year and became unusable.
    My Anker one wore out before it ever swelled.
    I've bought about three Anker batteries and never had one swell up on me —
    about the only gripe is the bundled charging cable is total junk and frays almost immediately.
    72AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:38
    Re: #48
    The high-capacity ones do swell up, actually.
    49AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:30
    Chinese-made products have such an overwhelming market share that of course the fire count would be proportionally higher too.
    "Chinese-made = junk" is such a Showa-era mindset.
    61AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:34
    Re: #49
    There are plenty of solid Chinese-made products,
    but the problem these days is that the good ones and the junk ones all get thrown together in a "mystery hot pot" and sold side by side on e-commerce sites.

    Power banks are basically all Chinese-made anyway —
    if every Chinese-made unit were actually solid, we wouldn't be seeing this many fire incidents.
    99AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:50
    Plenty of these just print the PSE mark on without authorization.
    They need to publish a list of certified products online.
    121AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:05
    Re: #99
    That's not quite it — importers are required to obtain a certificate from a registered inspection body.

    The inspections themselves are just full of holes.
    112AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:58
    Re: #86
    I've got one too, but the charging speed is slow and the capacity's lacking.
    117AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:01
    Re: #112
    The output is only 1A, so it's usable for something like a "garaho" (a bare-bones Android device styled like an old feature phone), but it struggles with smartphones that have big batteries and high power draw.
    130AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:13
    These days, virtually every power bank sold in Japan is Made in China (PRC).
    So what can you do? At best, you compromise by picking one that's Made in China but managed by a Japanese manufacturer.
    I still use a Sony one — even though it's manufactured in China, it's been solid and reliable.
    154AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:35
    Re: #151
    Like I said in Re: #130, Made-in-Japan power banks are almost nonexistent — you could count them on one hand.
    And the few that exist can't compete on price anyway.
    So even if you go with Made-in-China, the one line you absolutely must hold firm on is "Produced by a Japanese company."
    Just make sure the design and manufacturing aren't entirely Chinese from end to end.
    135AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:16
    My whole house is full of LiPo, Li-ion, every kind of lithium battery.
    These days anything you buy is rechargeable, no matter what it is.
    140AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:21
    Re: #135
    For stuff you rarely use, leaving it sitting around just kills the battery, so it's actually more convenient if it runs on plain disposable batteries —
    like old digital cameras used to (some still do).
    138AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:20
    Re: #1
    Products with Chinese-made batteries should just be banned from use in Japan entirely.
    141AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:23
    Re: #138
    That'd wipe out 99% of everything.
    158AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:39
    Re: #138
    Bye-bye smartphones then, lol

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s power-bank fires are governed by the Denan Law (Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law), enforced by METI, which created the PSE mark system decades ago to keep dangerous consumer electronics off the market. Crucially, PSE has two tiers: a diamond mark for “specified” products requiring third-party conformity testing, and a circle mark for “non-specified” products where the manufacturer can self-certify. Power banks currently sit in the more lax category, which is exactly the gap this new policy targets — folding them into mandatory third-party inspection rather than paperwork self-declaration. It also matters that Japan no longer makes lithium-ion cells domestically; Maxell, once a holdout, exited the business years ago, so “Made in Japan” batteries are effectively extinct and even trusted brands like Sony or Panasonic now source Chinese-made cells.

    The thread’s actual disagreement wasn’t China vs. Japan — posters largely conceded that’s no longer a meaningful line — but whether the *inspection process itself* is trustworthy. One user’s detailed post (>>93) argued registered inspection bodies, including Chinese ones authorized to issue PSE marks, mostly just review self-submitted documents rather than verifying real factory testing, which undercuts the government’s proposed fix before it even launches.

    What outside readers likely miss: the PSE mark on a product they’re already buying doesn’t mean what they assume — for non-specified goods it can just mean the importer filled out forms correctly. The reform is less “China clean-up” and more an admission that Japan’s own certification pipeline has been rubber-stamping products, domestic or not.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Mobile Batteries Keep Catching Fire: Third-Party Inspections to Be Mandated to Eliminate Substandard Products… Most Sold Domestically Are Chinese-Made.”

  • 500 High Schoolers Surveyed: ‘We Don’t Care How Middle-Aged Men Look’ — 5ch Split Over the Findings

    An article went viral after a research firm specializing in teens surveyed 500 current high schoolers about their attitudes toward “ojisan” (middle-aged men) appearance and behavior — things like leg hair, wiping their faces with an oshibori (hot towel), and dressing younger than their age — and found that many respondents said they simply didn’t care. On 5ch, opinions split between those who saw it as “not tolerance, just plain indifference” and others debating generational differences in values.

    ◼What 500 High Schoolers Said: “Bothered” or “Not Bothered”?

    Men’s looks and behavior tend to spark debate every summer. So what do Reiwa-era young people actually think? Wakamono Research, a research firm specializing in teens and current high schoolers, conducted a survey on attitudes toward “ojisan” looks and behavior — and it revealed young people’s real, honest opinions.

    The survey was conducted online in June 2026, targeting current high schoolers (male and female) nationwide, with 500 valid responses collected in total.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:08
    This reads like fiction.
    Young guys these days get their leg hair removed anyway,
    and Reiwa-era high schoolers' parents don't even have the habit of wiping their faces with an oshibori (hot towel) anymore.
    4AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:10
    Re: #2
    Not everyone's like that, come on.
    115AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:51
    Re: #2
    Sounds like someone who watches way too much TV lol
    3AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:10
    It's not tolerance, it's more like they just don't care.
    They're not even on the radar.

    It's the old ladies who are the ones complaining.
    163AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:21
    Re: #3
    Exactly.
    To Gen Z, for whom men's makeup is totally normal, the Showa generation must look like they're from another planet.
    Still, I do think kids these days are genuinely kind.
    5AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:11
    Gen Z cares a lot about their own looks but is tolerant of others.
    The Yutori ("relaxed education") and Satori ("enlightened/low-desire") generations, meanwhile, are vain AND scarily hateful toward others.
    32AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:23
    Re: #5
    I think it's less tolerance, more just not being interested.
    113AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:50
    Re: #5
    Honestly, I have to agree with this one.
    That's the generation that grew up watching the Employment Ice Age generation struggle, and was drilled by parents and teachers from childhood to always come out on top.
    7AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:12
    My guess is that guys like that just don't register as important enough to care about at all.
    8AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:12
    People these days actually get along with their parents in the first place — that whole rebelling-against-the-older-generation thing seems to have faded out sometime in the '90s or mid-2000s.
    9AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:13
    Re: #8
    I hear they don't even go through a rebellious phase.
    51AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:26
    Re: #8
    That's because the parent generation changed.
    Forcing their own values on their kids, that intolerant "it has to be this way" attitude — the Yutori-generation parents have way less of that compared to before.
    10AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:13
    I hate these articles that are written just to stir up conflict.
    11AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:13
    The ones who actually get worked up about this are the weird ones.
    Most people feel this way, but sites play up a noisy minority as if it were public opinion just to farm engagement.
    Cunningham's Law in action.
    20AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:16
    Re: #9
    Middle and high schoolers these days really don't seem to be at odds with their parents — even daughters get along fine with their dads.
    Maybe the rebellious phase isn't some universal human thing after all.
    27AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:19
    Re: #20
    When I was young it was normal to say "don't wash my clothes together with Dad's," but my daughter doesn't care at all.
    She's like "once it's washed it's all the same anyway" lol.
    Pretty dry personality lol
    50AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:26
    People currently around 35-40 are probably the most difficult, most disliked, troublesome generation as far as other generations are concerned.
    67AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:32
    Re: #50
    That age group is still tolerant, honestly.
    It's the 40s-to-60s crowd — especially those around 55 who graduated right at the tail end of the bubble economy — who are the scary ones.
    Still stuck in the Showa era.
    57AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:28
    The ones staring down men over 40 are grandmas over 50.
    73AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:35
    Sounds like kids these days don't despise their fathers the way they used to.
    80AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:37
    Re: #73
    That's because fathers are actually involved in child-rearing now.
    More time spent with the kids naturally means getting along better.
    79AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:37
    Shorts already look questionable even on middle-aged guys,
    and now even the grandpas are starting to wear them.
    96AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:43
    Re: #79
    Grandpa, shorts are totally normal in hot countries, you know?
    These days even civil servants are allowed to wear shorts on the job.
    Japan's basically tropical now.
    93AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:42
    Re: #83
    Maybe it's the smell that bothers people?
    Body odor, scalp odor, behind the ears, and age-related odor all blended together with an overpowering, pricey cologne on top.
    138AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:01
    Re: #93
    I only wear cologne occasionally — Jardin de Nil — but I shower every day,
    so any age-related odor from my scalp or neck should be kept in check.
    114AnonymousAug 23, 2026 13:51
    Basically it just means the generation that hangs out on 5ch has a rotten personality.
    154AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:14
    Re: #114
    You mean the losers of the Employment Ice Age generation?
    Those guys kept insisting marriage is "the grave of life."
    Bottom-tier types who never marry or have kids are just a burden on society.
    150AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:13
    High schoolers don't really clash with them, but I bet once women become adults they start disliking middle-aged men.
    165AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:22
    Re: #150
    That's only the uptight, easily-irritated women.
    176AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:36
    Re: #163
    It's a difference in emotional bandwidth.
    To young people, middle-aged men are just a "eh, whatever, not my problem" kind of thing.
    183AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:49
    This whole thing feels pretty condescending to me —
    kind of like when I think "well, that's just something grandpa and grandma who can't even use a smartphone would do."
    184AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:50
    Re: #183
    Old folks these days are all pretty good at handling smartphones and computers.

    Background and Key Points

    I’ll write the closing commentary for this article.

    Wakamono Research surveyed 500 current Japanese high schoolers in June 2026 about “ojisan” (middle-aged men) traits — leg hair, wiping faces with an oshibori, dressing younger than their age — and found widespread indifference rather than either approval or disgust. The oshibori detail matters for non-Japanese readers: it’s a hot or cold towel handed out at restaurants and izakaya before a meal, traditionally used only for the hands, and using it to wipe one’s face or neck has long been coded as an unrefined “ojisan” habit in Japanese etiquette discourse. The survey’s framing taps into a recurring Japanese media trope — “ojisan-kusai” (smelling/acting like a middle-aged man) — that has fueled seasonal listicles for years, especially around summer, when body odor and appearance complaints spike.

    The 5ch thread didn’t split over whether high schoolers are tolerant; nearly every poster agreed the finding was really apathy, not kindness. The actual disagreement was about who is generational villain: some blamed the Employment Ice Age generation (people now in their 40s-50s who struggled to find stable jobs after the bubble burst) for being harsh critics, while others pointed specifically at bubble-era graduates around 55, or at women over 50, as the real source of anti-ojisan sentiment.

    What the thread never addresses is the survey’s methodology or sample framing — it’s unclear how “tolerance” was operationalized, whether respondents were shown images or just asked abstractly, and whether a research firm marketing itself around “youth insights” has incentive to produce shareable, generation-gap-flattering headlines rather than rigorous findings.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread: “Reiwa High Schoolers Are Shockingly Tolerant of ‘Ojisan’?? What the Survey on Leg Hair, Face Towels, and Dressing Young Reveals About Young People’s ‘Kindness’”.

  • New Rice Cheaper Than Last Year’s Old Crop — The ‘Reversal’ Puzzling 5ch: ‘5kg Starting at ¥1,980’

    Rice that caused such an uproar last year over shortages and soaring prices has done a total U-turn now that this year’s new crop is hitting shelves — prices are falling. The thread filled up with reports of real-world prices like ¥1,980 for 5kg, sparking questions about what last year’s price spike was even about, plus talk of JA futures markets and the government’s stockpile rice purchases.

    “New Rice in the ¥2,000 Range” — The Reversal Where New Rice Is Cheaper Than Last Year’s Rice

    8/23 (Sun) 12:45 AM JST

    TV Asahi (ANN)

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:31
    Last year's rice is still selling for around ¥2,380 for 5kg too, nothing unusual.
    45AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:41
    Re: #4
    That's dropped a lot, huh.
    6AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:32
    There was always enough rice — the hoarders are just going to eat the losses.
    19AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:35
    Re: #6
    That's the root of it right there.
    There wasn't even a bad harvest to begin with — panic buying spiraled and dealers cashed in by hoarding.
    That phase just ended, that's all.
    41AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:41
    Re: #6
    Guess it just exposed what this whole 'inflation' really was.
    16AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:34
    The '¥2,000 range'?
    You mean ¥2,980?
    That's basically ¥3,000, don't mess with me.
    29AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:39
    Re: #16
    And that's before tax too, lol
    34AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:40
    I don't even need 5kg. Just sell me 2kg for ¥1,000.
    36AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:40
    Calrose (a California rice variety sold in Japan) is going for ¥2,000.
    52AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:43
    Re: #36
    Before the whole rice crisis it was more like ¥1,200–1,500…
    43AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:41
    This is so dumb — they should've just sold it cheap early on. Who's gonna buy old rice that costs more than the new stuff?!
    110AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:59
    Re: #43
    They'll either have to mix it in with new rice or just toss it.
    Even brown rice loses freshness over time.
    83AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:51
    Re: #1

    This year's new rice is starting at ¥1,980 for 5kg.
    How much further do you think it'll drop?


    87AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:52
    Why are convenience store rice balls still so expensive?
    102AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:57
    Re: #87
    Nori's pricey too (a pun here — 高市/Takaichi, the PM's name, sounds like 高いし, "it's expensive") — free up the Ariake Sea!
    89AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:53
    Re: #68
    Not 2kg — I'd consider it if it were 1kg for under ¥500 tax included.
    I stopped eating rice ages ago, so if you actually want me buying again, sell it in 1kg bags and maybe I'll think about it.
    Even 2kg is too much for my household.
    91AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:54
    Out in the countryside, 5kg for ¥3,000 is still totally normal — more like ¥3,500 really. Where's it going for ¥2,000 per 5kg? Only in the cities?
    200AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:19
    Re: #91
    I'm in the countryside too and thought the same right up until Obon, but it's been dropping day by day.
    Still too pricey for me to buy though.
    100AnonymousAug 23, 2026 14:57
    Re: #1

    The 2025 harvest was just abnormally expensive — it's still expensive now.


    For reference, here are the provisional advance payments for the 2023 and 2024 harvests:
    113AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:00
    Ito-Yokado has started dumping last year's crop.

    125AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:03
    Re: #113
    Now that's a fair price.
    126AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:03
    Don Quijote:
    New Koshihikari rice from Miyazaki, ¥2,299

    138AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:05
    OS Drug:
    New Hanaechizen rice from Fukui, ¥1,980

    145AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:08
    Re: #138
    Packed microwave rice is still just as pricey though.
    Can't something be done about that?
    150AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:08
    Re: #138
    That's early-harvest rice.
    Old rice isn't selling and won't fit in the warehouses anymore, so dealers are probably dumping it at fire-sale prices.
    157AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:10
    Re: #138
    Early-harvest rice at this time of year has always gone for around ¥2,000 for 5kg anyway.
    It's just not that tasty.
    155AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:09
    Old rice shows zero sign of getting any cheaper.
    No dealer can afford to be without new rice,
    so they've surely already decided whether to offload the surplus to brokers
    or divert it to industrial use.
    161AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:10
    Re: #155
    Because Takaichi is buying up a million tons of it as government stockpile rice.
    165AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:11
    Re: #155
    They're just quietly waiting for the government to buy it up.
    It's a war of attrition — the small and mid-size dealers get weeded out, leaving the big distributors you all hate to do whatever they want from next year on.
    167AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:11
    Today I saw rice from the Reiwa 7 (2025) harvest selling for under ¥2,000 tax included at my local supermarket.


    It's finally starting to undercut even the government stockpile rice.
    171AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:12
    Cheap prices are great and all, but seriously — what was last year's whole panic even about?
    183AnonymousAug 23, 2026 15:15
    Re: #171
    Back in the Showa-era toilet paper panic, people actually got arrested for hoarding — but in Reiwa, rice wholesalers can stash away mountains of it and the police won't lift a finger. What a lawless country.

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s “Reiwa rice riot” began in summer 2024: a hot growing season shrank yields, a Nankai Trough earthquake advisory triggered panic buying, and post-pandemic tourism pushed demand up, sending a standard 5kg bag from its historical ¥2,000-ish baseline past ¥4,000 in many stores through 2025. Because rice is treated as a regulated “staple food,” JA (the national farm co-op) still handles the bulk of wholesale distribution, and the agriculture ministry holds a government stockpile (備蓄米) meant only for emergencies; when 2025’s high prices didn’t ease, ministers began releasing stockpile rice to undercut the market, which is the “million tons” and “Takaichi buying it up” that posters reference.

    The thread doesn’t actually disagree that prices are falling — it splits on why last year spiked at all. Some posters (6, 19, 41) insist there was never a real supply shortfall, only speculative hoarding by wholesalers cashing in on panic, now unwinding as that inventory becomes unsellable; others simply note regional gaps, with countryside stores (91, 200) still charging ¥3,000+ while cities see ¥1,980.

    What the thread misses is that some of these “cheap new rice” deals aren’t a crisis reversal at all — early-ripening varieties from Kyushu (Miyazaki, Fukui) always hit shelves in August at lower prices before the premium Niigata Koshihikari crop arrives in autumn, a seasonal pattern one poster (157) flags but that gets lost in the outrage. Readers unfamiliar with Japan’s harvest calendar could easily mistake ordinary early-crop pricing for proof the whole shortage was fabricated.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News Plus) thread “[Rice] “New Rice in the ¥2,000 Range” — The Reversal Where New Rice Is Cheaper Than Last Year’s Rice.”

  • Girls’ Restrooms Are Scarce at School Too: Survey of 620,000 Toilets Finds Boys Get 1.4x More

    A survey by the Asahi Shimbun of public elementary and junior high schools across 72 major cities and wards found that the number of boys’ toilets (including urinals) outnumbers girls’ by 1.4 to 1. In the 5ch thread, some pointed to overseas examples of standing urinals for women, while others pushed back, arguing that stall-based girls’ restrooms are already favored in terms of cost and accommodation for sanitary products — with opinions further split over whether posters had actually witnessed lines forming.

    Lines at women’s restrooms have become a social issue, driven by the gender gap in toilet numbers. What about schools? The Asahi Shimbun surveyed roughly 620,000 toilets total at public elementary and junior high schools across 72 major cities and wards, and found that the number of boys’ toilets (including urinals) came to 1.4 times that of girls’. This has led to disadvantages for female students, including wasting recess time standing in line or having to step out of class to use the restroom…(continues in the paid edition, 657 characters remaining)

    Asahi Shimbun, August 23, 2026, 5:00 AM

    Source: asahi.com / Original article here

    23AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:18
    Girls' restrooms are all stalls, which eat up more space per person, and the fixtures cost more too.
    Let's brainstorm some groundbreaking fix.
    26AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:19
    The septic tank that's basically the battleship from 'Silent Service' (a famous war manga)
    27AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:20
    Re: #26 The Silent Toilet
    34AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:22
    This way any number of people could go at once
    35AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:22
    THIS is the ratio you'd actually call gender equality

    99AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:54
    Re: #35
    Where even is this lol
    38AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:23
    When guys pooped at school back in elementary school, you'd get called 'Poop Man.'
    So everyone used to sneak off to the staff restroom instead.
    No idea if that's still a thing now.
    50AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:29
    Re: #38
    I used to poop in a different grade's restroom during class
    143AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:40
    Re: #38
    I couldn't bring myself to poop in the restroom, so
    I ended up crapping myself while lined up for school lunch service
    58AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:33


    Wait, female urinals are already pretty widespread overseas
    78AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:40
    So it's men designing things to favor men without even realizing it, huh
    87AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:44
    Re: #78
    Cost-wise, women's restrooms are already way more expensive
    It's the women's restrooms that get the favorable design treatment
    103AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:01
    Re: #78
    It's not really 'favoring' men — urinals are small, so you can cram a lot of them in a row
    If you're jealous, just hook up a funnel and a hose and use one too
    84AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:42
    I refuse to become the kind of old dude who tells women to just pee standing up
    That's exactly why 5ch old dudes never grow out of it
    91AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:45
    Re: #84
    So was Europe wrong to have standing urinals for women?
    108AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:06
    Don't tell me they're counting one men's urinal as equal to one full toilet in this calculation
    116AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:10
    Just make everything unisex stalls
    Nothing could be fairer than that
    122AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:14
    Re: #116
    Like the restrooms at Kabukicho Tower?
    https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/yagisannpo-rgbqqnrz/imgs/4/d/4dad27b2.jpg
    137AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:27
    Re: #122
    The person with both hands braced on the sink has one leg bent at a weird angle too — looks like they're really about to lose it
    Probably breaking out in a cold sweat
    117AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:10
    I'm from one of the most crowded generations ever and I never once saw a line for the school bathroom
    This is just cooking up a reason to skim some budget money, isn't it

    Come on now
    121AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:13
    Re: #117
    Yeah, now that you mention it, I never saw a line at the girls' restroom at school either
    128AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:19
    If you're counting urinals, compare it after giving the girls' rooms the China treatment first
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNrV3yZbQAA_lg8.jpg (a jab referencing China's famously partition-less public toilets)
    140AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:31
    Girls' restrooms aren't just for peeing and pooping — they're also where you change sanitary products, so easy-access stalls make more sense
    Also, even if they built standing urinals now and cut the number of stalls, most women just wouldn't use the urinals anyway, so the stall lines would only get worse — that's obvious
    Saying 'just install urinals' without thinking any of that through is pretty shortsighted lol
    141AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:32
    Re: #140
    Just say that outright and add more stalls then — 'women functionally take longer.' But say that and you get hit with 'oh, so you're saying women are inferior?' — so instead people dodge it by making noise about 'men just happen to have more toilets'
    146AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:41
    It's honestly a little frightening that not a single media outlet mentions the real reason — boys are forced to pee standing up fully exposed, which is exactly why more units fit in the same space
    151AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:48
    Re: #146
    With surveys, the desired conclusion usually comes first
    and the methodology gets built to match it
    Especially with the trash media (mass media) — flashing numbers to brainwash people into 'oh, so that's how it is' is standard practice
    154AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:55
    Toilets being 'not enough' now that the birth rate's been dropping makes zero sense…
    Not falling for it
    163AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:14
    Re: #154
    Probably just people on their phones in the stalls
    161AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:13
    Renovation work would cost tens of millions of yen
    Just bringing in portable toilets like at a construction site would be cheaper
    189AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:54
    Re: #161
    Let's get the Asahi Shimbun's own welfare and culture foundation to chip in a donation
    166AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:19
    They should just switch the girls' restrooms to this system too
    https://imgur.com/a/towOCuu
    →
    169AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:32
    Men don't even need toilets
    Just let them go straight into the sewer drain
    173AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:38
    It's only inefficient because everything's made into individual stalls
    180AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:43
    Re: #173
    That's basically classified state-secret-level information

    Background and Key Points

    The Asahi Shimbun survey covers public elementary and junior high schools in 72 of Japan’s largest cities and special wards, tallying roughly 620,000 toilets total and finding boys’ facilities (stalls plus urinals) outnumber girls’ by 1.4 to 1. This lands in a broader Japanese debate about “toilet queues” (トイレの行列) as a gender-equity issue, most visible at train stations, stadiums, and event venues, where women’s wait times are already a recognized public grievance; the Asahi piece extends that framing into schools. Also relevant for non-Japanese readers: Asahi is one of Japan’s largest and most liberal-leaning newspapers, and 5ch’s user base skews reflexively distrustful of its framing — several posts explicitly dismiss the survey as manufactured to justify budget spending, which colors how skeptically the numbers were received.

    The thread didn’t split over whether a gap exists, but over what the raw count actually proves. One camp argued urinals are cheap and space-efficient, so a numerical “boys win 1.4x” figure is misleading since stalls (which both sexes’ facilities technically use, but girls’ exclusively) cost more per unit and already get favorable treatment. Others countered that stall-only design is necessary for sanitary-product changes, making the comparison inherently unequal by function, not favoritism. A second, sharper split was empirical: several posters said they personally never witnessed girls’ or boys’ restroom lines at school, directly questioning whether the survey’s premise reflects real conditions at all.

    What’s missing from the thread is any reference to established “potty parity” research elsewhere, which shows women require measurably more time per restroom visit for physiological reasons — a factor that would explain unequal fixture ratios without invoking design bias, yet none of the posters raised it.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread「Girls’ Restrooms Are Scarce at School Too: Boys Get 1.4x More Toilets, Survey of 72 Major Cities and Wards Finds」.

  • Gen Z Picks the World’s Most Livable City — Tokyo Ranks #1; 5ch: ‘This Other Ranking Is More Trustworthy’

    In a survey conducted by British media outlet Time Out among Gen Z respondents aged 18 to 29, Tokyo was ranked the “most livable city in the world.” On 5ch, some questioned the result citing Tokyo’s overcrowding, while others praised the low cost of living driven by the weak yen. But what stood out most were posts casting doubt on the survey’s credibility altogether, pointing to a separate ranking released around the same time by the UK’s Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU), which placed Tokyo only 10th and Osaka 7th.

    Gen Z places a high value on community-building and everyday experiences as key elements of city life. According to one survey, outdoor activities and “third places” are top priorities for Gen Z residents. A city that makes it easy to casually connect with others is where Gen Z feels most at home.

    Gen Z is often stereotyped as “detached” or “lacking social skills,” but that label may be unfair.

    To find out which cities are most livable for Gen Z, British outlet Time Out surveyed residents aged 18 to 29 around the world, asking about everything from affordability to nightlife.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:37
    There's no way Tokyo's livable when it's packed with people everywhere you go — whoever ranked it clearly never lived there.
    4AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:38
    Dumb article. Stop luring in more weird foreigners.
    41AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:56
    Re: #4
    They're probably writing this based purely on imagination.
    Or just vibes.
    47AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:58
    Re: #41
    How does Porto end up ranked #2…
    64AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:05
    Re: #41
    Kind of like those prefectural charm rankings, huh. (Japan's annual "most attractive prefecture" survey, notorious for bizarre results)
    5AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:39
    Tokyo, the most livable city in the world?
    Do Gen Zers around the world even know what life in Tokyo is actually like?
    72AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:10
    Re: #5
    With the yen this abnormally weak,
    prices look cheap to foreigners,
    yet the service level is world-class.
    83AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:14
    Re: #72
    Japanese service workers should be allowed to push back harder when a customer is clearly being unreasonable.
    Japan is a nation of complainers, and because the deep-rooted "the customer is God" mentality persists, most companies fail to protect their employees.
    It's not genuine heartfelt service — it's just the product of Japanese corporate peer pressure that crushes individual agency.
    Foreigners who act however they please should just get thrown out of the store.
    112AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:25
    Re: #72
    Because foreign tourists started coming, lowering the standard of service has become the norm, and it's Japanese people who end up getting the short end of the stick.
    7AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:40
    Outdoor activities in Tokyo?
    What's that supposed to mean?
    114AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:27
    Re: #7
    In illustrations aimed at overseas audiences, Mt. Fuji is always drawn looming huge right behind the Tokyo skyline, so people probably think it's super close to Tokyo.
    In reality you have to fight through hellish traffic on the Tomei or Chuo Expressway, and it takes half a day to actually get there.
    143AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:42
    Re: #7
    Tokyo (Okutama, the Izu Islands, the Ogasawara Islands) (all technically part of Tokyo Metropolis, despite being remote mountains and islands)
    195AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:27
    Re: #7
    Rooftop barbecues.
    17AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:45
    Wait, is "Gen Z" actually an international term?
    I thought it was one of those wasei-eigo words that only makes sense in Japan (Japanese-coined pseudo-English).
    36AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:55
    Re: #17
    Pretty sure it actually originated in America.
    44AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:57
    Re: #17
    If anything, Japan just imported the term.
    19AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:46
    ChatGPT (aka "Chappy") keeps it real 😂

    Asked it where the most livable place in Japan is, and it said Shizuoka City, #1.
    Is it maybe reading the room a little too much?
    i.imgur.com/2mfGQn1.png
    49AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:59
    Re: #19
    Seems like Hamamatsu has higher salaries than Shizuoka City, though.
    Maybe everything outside manufacturing is dragging it down.
    181AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:13
    Re: #19
    It's angling for Akari-chan points. (likely a nod to a local Shizuoka mascot/character)
    23AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:47
    It's less "popular with foreigners" and more just popular with Chinese tourists.
    162AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:58
    Re: #23
    Lol, it just typed out exactly what you were thinking.
    50AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:59
    Safe streets, a clean city, great food, top-notch infrastructure, convenience stores on every corner, tons of leisure options right nearby… Tokyo — heck, Japan in general — really is an amazing place to live!
    68AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:07
    Re: #50
    Do foreigners like this ever think about taking what's good about Japan back home and making their own country better too?
    74AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:11
    This one's more trustworthy.


    🟢World's Most Livable Cities ranking announced — two Japanese cities make the top 10
    (The Economist's research arm, the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU), 2026.07.08)

    ◆ Top 10 Most Livable Cities in the World
    1. Copenhagen (Denmark)
    2. Vienna (Austria)
    3. Melbourne (Australia)
    4. Sydney (Australia)
    5. Zurich (Switzerland)
    6. Geneva (Switzerland)
    7. Osaka (Japan)
    8. Adelaide (Adelaide)
    9. Vancouver (Canada)
    10. Tokyo (Japan)
    82AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:14
    Re: #74
    That's probably closer to the truth, but this survey is really just "clueless Gen Zers around the world listing their personal fantasy of the coolest city to live in."
    98AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:19
    Re: #74
    Aside from Osaka, most of these are a huge hassle to actually move to from abroad.
    Osaka really has seen a surge of foreigners.
    Downtown is packed with Chinese tourists,
    and the residential areas are full of people from all kinds of countries with different skin tones.

    At night the city's full of white people wandering around.
    Safe enough that you can go jogging at night lol
    199AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:30
    Re: #74
    It's less about reliability and more just a list of self-consciously trendy/"woke" cities.
    I don't get why Osaka made the cut, but
    Re: #82
    Ah, that makes sense.
    109AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:24
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNxHwQzWIAABvNQ.jpg:orig

    https://x.com/search?q=livable%20eiu%20japan&src=typed_query&f=live
    113AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:26
    Re: #109
    Looks like it's basically decided by cost of living…
    145AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:42
    How can you even pick if you don't know the rest of the world lol
    155AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:50
    Re: #145
    That's exactly the point.
    Why would someone who doesn't know the world pick Tokyo?

    It means the internet is flooded with information pushing Japan, to the point that even AI is recommending people go to Japan.
    That's the dangerous part.
    167AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:01
    Re: #145
    It's journalists writing this stuff,
    so if you slip a journalist some cash, you can make it say whatever you want.

    Background and Key Points

    The Time Out list and the EIU Global Liveability Index that 5ch posters compared it to are different instruments measuring different things. Time Out, a UK listings/media brand, runs an annual “best cities” poll built from resident-submitted surveys about food, nightlife, culture, and affordability — inherently subjective and skewed toward whoever bothers to answer. The EIU index, published by The Economist’s research arm since the early 2000s, is a quantitative benchmark of roughly 30 indicators (stability, healthcare, education, infrastructure, environment) originally designed to help multinational employers set hardship pay for relocating staff — not a popularity contest. That’s why Copenhagen, Vienna, and Melbourne dominate the EIU top 10 while Tokyo only reaches 10th and Osaka 7th, even though Tokyo topped the Gen Z-specific Time Out survey.

    The thread didn’t really split over whether Tokyo is pleasant to live in — most posters agreed on safety, cleanliness, food, and convenience-store density. The disagreement was over whether Gen Z respondents worldwide, most of whom have never lived in Japan, are qualified to rank it “most livable” at all, versus reading the result as evidence of a weak-yen-driven tourism/marketing wave.

    What the thread never quite spells out is that the “cheapness” and “top-notch service” foreigners are praising are largely artifacts of the historically weak yen (making prices low in dollar/euro terms) and Japan’s high-pressure customer-service culture, not a stable, structural cost-of-living or workplace advantage — the kind of gap the EIU’s harder infrastructure-and-stability metrics are built to catch and a glossy lifestyle survey isn’t.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and summaries of the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Tokyo Ranks #1… Gen Z’s Top 20 “World’s Most Livable Cities” Ranking (Overseas Reactions)”.

  • Will Central Tokyo Condo Prices Keep Soaring? 5ch: ‘Tokyo Isn’t Real Demand — Everywhere Else Just Sank’

    An article in which real estate consultant Tomohiro Makino argued that “Tokyo’s concentration of population won’t continue” became a hot topic on 5ch’s News Express+ board. Opinions were divided over the background to soaring condo prices in Tokyo’s 23 wards — whether Tokyo’s demand is “real,” the wage and job gap with regional cities, and how a major earthquake might affect prices.

    With population decline and the falling birthrate and aging society posing major challenges for regional Japan, real estate consultant Tomohiro Makino points out that “Tokyo’s concentration won’t continue.” Behind this view lies the heavy housing-cost burden created by soaring condo prices in Tokyo, along with a renewed appreciation for the livability and regional value that provincial cities offer. We spoke with Makino about what’s really driving the surge in condo prices, why he believes Tokyo’s concentration won’t last, and what qualities make regional cities worth watching. (Part one of the series)

    ■ “Tokyo condo prices aren’t being driven by real demand”

    Prices for used condos in Tokyo’s 23 wards continue to climb.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article

    21AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:47
    ChatGPT (nicknamed "Chappy" here) is hilarious 😂

    I asked it where the most livable place in Japan is and it said Shizuoka City, #1
    Is it just currying favor with someone or what?
    i.imgur.com/2mfGQn1.png
    25AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:51
    Re: #21
    Just asked it again and now it says Fukuoka Prefecture
    215AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:07
    Re: #21
    Seems like it changes its answer depending on who's asking
    It told me Bunkyo Ward
    Though I'm a Tokyo resident, I don't actually live in Bunkyo Ward
    Runners-up were Fukuoka City, Fukui City, Nagakute (Aichi), Sendai, and Niigata City
    33AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:54
    I don't get what people over 30 with no real income and no prospect of ever getting a raise are trying to accomplish by clinging to Tokyo

    Are they chasing some impossible dream?
    42AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:57
    Re: #33
    Because it's easy to live alone here
    You could always live in a neighboring prefecture just outside Tokyo too
    43AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:57
    Re: #33
    Good pay out in the regions is only for a select few, isn't it?
    Utility companies, regional banks, civil servants
    Almost all of them graduated from one particular local school
    And on top of that, those people's parents already had assets
    People with nothing (i.e. most people) either put up with low wages or have no choice but to head to the city
    47AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:58
    The lament of a Tokyo-area commuter-town resident

    Even here I can't help comparing my hometown to Shizuoka City
    Even though its population is less than half my hometown's, the area around Shizuoka Station is way livelier. It's not just big shopping complexes — there's an old-fashioned shopping street too, and shops line the approach to the shrine
    My hometown is a commuter town for Tokyo, so maybe it's because most residents spend their days and weekends in the city? Kind of makes me sad
    48AnonymousAug 23, 2026 09:59
    I'm in UR housing (public rental apartments), but
    honestly I think I'm more satisfied than I'd be if I'd bought a condo
    63AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:07
    During the old real estate bubble, even land out in the countryside went up
    These days, even in the regions, only certain spots are rising
    The bubble was when even worthless land shot up in price
    Tokyo has real demand behind it
    70AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:12
    Re: #63
    The old bubble was centered on the three major metro areas
    It burst right around when it started spreading out to the regions
    (I recall that near the end, Himeji had the highest rate of price increase)
    Well, I guess it's about time for this one to burst too
    122AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:31
    Re: #63
    Tokyo isn't real demand — everywhere else just sank, so it only looks relatively concentrated here
    73AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:15
    Don't the people working low-wage jobs in Tokyo realize they're being exploited? Can't afford a car, can't get married, can't save any money — if that's the situation, you'd be better off job-hunting in a regional city
    81AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:18
    Re: #73
    Uh, wages are higher in Tokyo than in the regions though?
    84AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:19
    Re: #81
    Places like Nagoya, Osaka, or Fukuoka aren't as expensive as Tokyo, and the wage level is decent too
    Why are you so fixated on Tokyo?
    90AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:23
    Re: #84
    Nagoya might be decently high because of Toyota, but
    the rest aren't
    108AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:28
    Re: #84
    It's just being dragged down by the crowd who moved to Tokyo thinking things would somehow work out once they got here
    If you actually go about landing a proper job, the wage gap with other cities really does end up being quite large
    74AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:15
    So next they want to cash in on regional cities too, huh
    75AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:17
    Re: #74
    Loan interest rates are rising, so it'll be tough in the regions too
    I think we'll see more of a two-tier split
    80AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:18
    Re: #74
    Yeah, that's the kind of article this is
    96AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:25
    "Once the Tokyo Olympics end, condo prices will crash!"
    "The population is shrinking, so condo prices will crash!"
    "Vacant homes are exploding, so condo prices will crash!"
    "COVID means remote work now, so condo prices will crash!"

    The wishful thinking of 5ch's old-timers has been dead wrong every single time — it's honestly hilarious

    So when exactly is this crash supposed to happen?
    109AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:28
    Re: #96
    After the big earthquake hits directly under the capital
    120AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:31
    Re: #109
    If anything, prices will go up even more after an earthquake

    All the rickety old houses will collapse
    and everyone will rush to condos
    124AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:32
    Re: #120
    That'll be tough since property rights around there are all tangled up
    129AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:33
    Re: #120
    I get it for low-rise condos, but
    high-rises turn into hell if an earthquake knocks the power out
    132AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:34
    Re: #108
    But aren't land prices and the cost of living way too high?
    Ordinary people can't even afford a home in the city anymore
    137AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:36
    Re: #132
    Couldn't you just buy in Saitama or Chiba?
    It's not that different from Fukuoka
    And yet you can earn wages there that you'd never get in Fukuoka
    That's exactly why Tokyo's concentration makes sense
    140AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:37
    Re: #132
    Should've just bought one already…
    That's on you
    People who fell for the "condo prices are gonna crash!" rumors and kept renting instead
    have lost out on an insane scale
    146AnonymousAug 23, 2026 10:38
    Re: #132
    The cost of living in the city isn't actually dramatically high, you know
    Even housing — if it's not a new-build condo — can be found for around 50 million yen depending on the area
    What people online imagine as "Tokyo prices and housing costs" feels like it's really just talking about the central six wards
    211AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:06
    I don't get why people idolize Tokyo
    218AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:08
    Re: #211
    I idolized Yokohama myself
    229AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:11
    Re: #211
    I was from the countryside, so yeah, I idolized it
    I've actually been living in Tokyo a long time now and have no intention of moving back to the countryside
    219AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:08
    Where does this intense hatred of Tokyo among board users come from?
    People say the mass media hypes up Tokyo, but online it's the exact opposite — everyone's dead set on trashing Tokyo at every turn
    223AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:09
    Re: #219
    It's just that it's country folk venting their grudges on 5ch
    The winners actually living it up in Tokyo aren't looking at a place like this, right?
    224AnonymousAug 23, 2026 11:10
    Re: #219
    That's only a recent thing — for a long time before that, the internet was busy mocking Osaka, or doing the whole "Saitama-!" and "Gunma-!" jokes (memes mocking those prefectures as backwater "foreign countries"), bashing the regions and glorifying Tokyo's concentration the entire time

    Background and Key Points

    Tokyo’s 23 wards are the core municipal units of the capital, and “central Tokyo” in this debate usually means an even smaller cluster — the handful of wards like Chiyoda, Minato, Shibuya, and Bunkyo where new condo prices have detached furthest from national averages. Real estate consultant Tomohiro Makino’s claim that “Tokyo’s concentration won’t continue” sits against Japan’s broader demographic crisis: a shrinking, aging population nationwide, but net in-migration to Tokyo that has persisted for decades, pulling young workers out of regional cities like Fukuoka, Sendai, and Niigata. The thread also invokes the late-1980s asset bubble, when land prices rose even in low-value rural areas before the whole market collapsed in the early 1990s — a historical trauma that shapes how Japanese posters instinctively read any sustained price rise as a bubble waiting to burst.

    The actual fault line in the thread wasn’t whether prices are high, but whether the rise reflects genuine (“real”) demand for Tokyo specifically, or is simply the appearance of concentration because regional markets and wages sank around it — the exchange between posts 63 and 122 crystallizes this. A secondary split was over wages: some insisted Tokyo pay is categorically better, others countered that outside a narrow band of elite regional employers (utilities, banks, civil service), the real comparison is between Tokyo salaries and Saitama/Chiba living costs, not Tokyo prices versus Fukuoka.

    What outside readers likely miss is that “Tokyo housing costs” as reported internationally almost always means this small central core, not the 23 wards as a whole, let alone the wider metropolitan area — a distinction one poster raised but that rarely survives translation into English-language coverage.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “‘Tokyo’s concentration won’t continue’ — Something odd about soaring condo prices in the city? An expert discusses the value of regional cities.”