Category: Society

  • Savings in Your 50s: Average ¥19.08 Million, Median ¥7 Million — Survey Reveals Stark Divide

    A 2025 survey released by the Japan Financial Literacy and Education Corporation (J-FLEC) found that two-or-more-person households headed by someone in their 50s held average financial assets of ¥19.08 million, with a median of ¥7 million. While 18.2% of households held no financial assets whatsoever, a nearly matching 18.8% held ¥30 million or more, pointing to a clear polarization. On 5ch, alongside surprised reactions like “that’s a lot for the Ice Age Generation,” posters debated the fact that these figures cover only two-or-more-person households (excluding singles), and that “financial assets” exclude real estate while including securities such as stocks.

    Your 50s are an age when some households finally see their child-rearing expenses ease off, while for others, life after retirement is starting to feel real. It’s only natural to wonder how much your peers have managed to save.

    According to the “Public Opinion Survey on Household Financial Behavior 2025” released by the Japan Financial Literacy and Education Corporation (J-FLEC), two-or-more-person households headed by someone in their 50s held average financial assets of ¥19.08 million, with a median of ¥7 million. The survey ran from June 20 to July 2, 2025 (Reiwa 7), with 5,000 two-or-more-person households responding.

    This article looks at the distribution of savings among people in their 50s, then digs into what it actually means to hold “no financial assets.”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    19AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:50
    I FIRE'd with ¥60 million
    and it grew into ¥150 million
    Never expected this to happen
    22AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:51
    Re: #19
    How many years did that take? I'd like a reference point.
    169AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:10
    Re: #19
    All's well that ends well, but I never would've thought to FIRE without locking in profits first.
    186AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:12
    Re: #19
    Can you actually FIRE on ¥60 million?
    35AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:53
    Everyone's loaded huh
    I thought guys from the Ice Age Generation (Japan's tough job-market generation from the post-bubble era) were around 50 now
    and they've got that much saved?
    41AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:54
    Re: #35
    Real talk
    the ones with no money are already dead
    44AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:55
    Re: #35
    ¥7 million disappears the moment you buy a car, so that much is nothing
    57AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:56
    Re: #35
    It's because it's the 50s bracket
    Late-40s-to-50s ("around 50") is the Ice Age Generation while early-to-mid 60s ("around 60") is the Bubble Generation, so the swing is huge
    Though plenty of the Bubble Generation got laid off and didn't survive either
    153AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:09
    For single-person households in their 50s, the median is ¥1.2 million and the average is ¥9.99 million.
    For two-or-more-person households, the median is ¥7 million and the average is ¥19.08 million.

    You guys should just get married
    171AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:10
    Re: #153
    No thanks. Why would I spend money I worked hard to save alone on some parasite?
    That's a punishment game I want no part of lol
    180AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:11
    Re: #171
    What happens to all that saved money when you die?
    194AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:13
    Re: #171
    Get married, double income, living the happy life~
    224AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:17
    Oh so this excludes singles

    The median for single Ice Age Generation folks is genuinely grim, so if singles were factored in, the median would drop hard
    https://limo.ismcdn.jp/mwimgs/1/4/870wm/img_14c6b0821d97fccb0df91b46c0e20c1c83408.png
    235AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:19
    Re: #224
    40% of singles having zero savings is rough.
    262AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:22
    What is this, a gathering of rich people?
    Or just a bunch of fantasists.
    266AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:23
    Re: #262
    Everyone on 5ch is rich, huh
    302AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:27
    Re: #262
    I'm posting honestly
    lying about something like this would just be sad
    510AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:48
    Re: #262
    I genuinely wonder what world people are talking about
    does everyone really have that much money?
    272AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:24
    Wait, does this include real estate (condos) and stock assets too? If you count that stuff, even I clear ¥70 million
    I personally don't count that kind of thing to begin with. Real estate especially just racks up property tax, and who even knows if it'll sell
    288AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:25
    Re: #272
    It says 'financial assets,' so real estate isn't included but stocks are — are you dumb or something?
    289AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:25
    Re: #272
    It says 'savings.'
    343AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:31
    Re: #272
    "Financial assets" don't include real estate.
    So really,
    unless you're above average in financial assets,
    AND stand to inherit a family home with positive value down the road,
    AND already own the home you live in yourself,
    you're going to feel inferior on all sorts of fronts in this world.
    311AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:27
    I've said this in other threads too.
    They're stoking retirement anxiety way too hard.
    I'm about to turn 50 myself, so retirement's coming up soon for me too.
    Just how much money would actually make you feel safe lol
    327AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:29
    Re: #311
    There's a labor shortage, so they need to scare old folks into working convenience store jobs
    or Keidanren (Japan's biggest business lobby) and the Finance Ministry will get mad
    338AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:30
    Re: #311
    Whether or not you have employee pension (kosei nenkin) makes a night-and-day difference
    342AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:31
    Re: #311
    My parent is actually in a paid nursing home right now
    and even after pension income, we're still paying over ¥300,000 out of pocket
    dying suddenly in good health ("pin-korori") is the ideal, but it rarely goes the way you want
    329AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:29
    Still, a median of ¥7 million is lower than I expected
    Guess this is the Ice Age Generation for you
    339AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:30
    Re: #329
    That's because it includes households with zero financial assets too
    351AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:31
    Re: #329
    That's about right for the 50s. Once child-rearing ends, the 60s bracket jumps to an average of about ¥26.83 million and a median of about ¥14 million for two-or-more-person households — roughly double
    352AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:31
    Re: #329
    The core of the Ice Age Generation is still in their late 40s
    388AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:35
    If you worked at a decent-sized company, shouldn't you have ¥40-50 million by now?
    426AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:39
    Re: #388
    I'm a manager at a company listed on the Prime market (Tokyo Stock Exchange's top tier), but between the condo mortgage and my kid's college tuition, I've basically got no savings

    Why does everyone else have so much saved?
    449AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:41
    Re: #426
    If the money you spent on those two things plus women had gone into savings and investing instead, someone with your résumé would've hit ¥100 million in no time, no?

    Knowing you, you probably blew it on some needlessly overpriced "oku-manshon" (a condo costing ¥100 million+) anyway
    442AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:41
    To measure the typical citizen's prosperity you look at the median asset value
    comparing that to the average tells you the degree of inequality
    The US ranks 2nd by average but only 28th by median
    far lower than Japan's 10th
    513AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:49
    This is the survey they mean, right?
    It's probably not even counting everyday checking accounts, is it?

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    These figures come from J-FLEC’s “Public Opinion Survey on Household Financial Behavior 2025,” whose population is two-or-more-person households headed by someone in their 50s (5,000 households surveyed) — single-person households are not included. The same survey puts the median for single-person households as low as ¥1.2 million, and it’s easy to miss, from the article alone, just how different the picture looks depending on household composition. Where opinions split in the thread was over the definition of “financial assets”: it excludes real estate but includes securities such as stocks, and several posts seemed to misunderstand this point. The large gap between the average of ¥19.08 million and the median of ¥7 million exists because a subset of households holding very large sums pulls the average up — in reality, the structure is polarized, with 18.2% holding no assets and a nearly equal 18.8% holding ¥30 million or more. It’s worth remembering that looking at the median alone doesn’t fully capture what’s going on here.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Savings in Your 50s: Average ¥19.08 Million, Median ¥7 Million | 18.2% Hold No Financial Assets vs. 18.8% Hold ¥30 Million or More.”

  • ‘Japan’s Best Imoni Party’ Sells Out Premium Tickets — Yamagata Event Set for Sept. 20

    At the “Japan’s Best Imoni Party Festival” in Yamagata City on September 20, paid viewing seats with all-you-can-drink packages and bus tours have proven so popular that some plans have already sold out. The signature event features a giant pot 6.5 meters across, stirred with heavy machinery, to cook roughly 3.2 tons of taro and 1.2 tons of Yamagata beef. With this year’s festival falling during a long holiday weekend, turnout is expected to top previous years. On 5channel forum threads, reactions poured in from every angle — surprise at the ¥16,500 price tag, questions about holding the event in near-midsummer heat, and concerns about hygiene given the use of heavy machinery for cooking.

    At the “Japan’s Best Imoni Party Festival,” held in Yamagata City on September 20, high-priced seating and bus tours are proving popular. Many reservations are coming in from outside the prefecture, and some plans have already sold out. This year’s event falls during a long holiday stretch, and organizers — expecting turnout to exceed previous years — are pushing hard to draw in visitors.

    Bus tour seats are also running low

    Now in its 38th year, the Imoni Party Festival has become a fixture of autumn in Yamagata. On the banks of the Mamigasaki River, organizers use a massive 6.5-meter-diameter pot and heavy machinery to cook up an enormous spread of roughly 3.2 tons of taro and 1.2 tons of Yamagata beef.

    Source: kahoku.news / Read the original article

    5AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:32
    Just move the date already
    Do it once it's actually cooled down
    People get heatstroke even now, in this weather
    229AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:56
    Re: #5
    Last year one of the organizers was shouting about this — apparently once it cools down enough for prime imoni season, Yamagata locals are busy eating it at home, so the event has no choice but to be held in this heat.
    9AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:33
    Re: #1
    ¥16,000? For imoni?
    If you remember how this used to be, you can't believe how ridiculous that sounds
    80AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:05
    Re: #9
    That's basically just the price of the all-you-can-drink package.
    109AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:23
    Re: #9
    This isn't the old days anymore
    This is just the standard now
    119AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:25
    Re: #9

    Here:
    >You can enjoy imoni alongside all-you-can-drink local Yamagata sake and wine.
    35AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:45
    Miyagi: "It's fall, let's have an imoni party."
    Yamagata: "Oh hey, my folks just sent beef from home, I'll bring that."
    Miyagi/Akita/Fukushima/Iwate: "Waitlolololol, beef?? lol"
    Yamagata: "What? Fine, fine. I'll go buy some taro then."
    Sanriku: "Taro? It's potatoes."
    Akita: "I'll just throw in some Hinai-jidori chicken." (a prized Akita chicken breed)
    Miyagi/Yamagata/Fukushima/Iwate: "No way lol"
    Sanriku: "What fish are we adding? Shellfish?"
    Miyagi/Yamagata/Fukushima/Iwate/Akita: "This is turning into a hodgepodge hot pot lol"
    Asahi Town: "Dried cod is the only seafood we need."
    Miyagi: "Sanriku, Asahi Town — you minorities, stay out of this."
    Iwate: "…Hey Yamagata! Why are you putting in soy sauce!"
    Miyagi/Akita: "Ugh… this guy's the worst."
    Fukushima: "Eh, it's fine, let's blend in some miso too."
    Akita: "I'll just add some kiritanpo." (Akita's pounded-rice skewers)
    Miyagi/Yamagata/Fukushima/Iwate: "No way lol"
    Aomori: "What are you guys even doing?"
    Miyagi/Yamagata/Fukushima/Iwate/Akita: "If you're not making imoni, zip it."
    43AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:47
    Re: #35
    Miyagi isn't too particular about it — if there's a big enough crowd, they'll just make the Miyagi style, the Yamagata style, and a kiritanpo pot, all at once
    70AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:59
    Re: #35
    Well, calling Asahi Town — the town said to be imoni's birthplace — a "minority," or lumping the inland Murayama/Mogami/Okitama areas of Yamagata together with the coastal Shonai region even though they classically clash over seasoning and ingredients… this bit had holes in it from the start.
    Re: #54
    Wasn't that person from Yamagata, if I remember right?
    294AnonymousAug 30, 2026 18:53
    People from Tohoku University get weirdly hyped the second imoni comes up
    like in Re: #35
    46AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:48
    Re: #28
    Really? The meat's different too — Yamagata uses beef, Sendai uses pork. And the broth: Yamagata's soy-based, Sendai's miso-based. Pretty different, honestly.
    54AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:51
    Re: #46
    Back in the Showa era they used cheap pork, apparently, so they paired it with Sendai miso since it went well together — there's testimony from the innkeeper said to be the dish's originator
    65AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:57
    Re: #46
    Even within Yamagata, the Shonai region does the same miso style as Sendai though
    143AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:36
    Re: #46
    Sendai started later, so they changed things up to set themselves apart
    48AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:49
    Unsanitary imoni stirred with an excavator, and people pay ¥16,500 to eat it
    unbelievable
    52AnonymousAug 30, 2026 12:50
    Re: #48
    It's a showcase of the tech behind making an excavator food-safe.
    108AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:22
    Re: #48
    Seems like it'd be full of bugs, machine oil, all sorts of stuff.
    72AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:00
    If it comes with all-you-can-drink Yamagata sake and wine, it's not that bad a deal, honestly
    though they probably won't be pouring anything junmai daiginjo-grade (top-tier premium sake)
    82AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:06
    Re: #72

    (°∀°) Forget the imoni, I just wanna drink some Juyondai (a prized, hard-to-get sake brand)

    (°∀°) *hands over an iced café au lait*
    (/◎\) *glug*
    146AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:38
    Re: #72
    Nah, they'd probably just have it on hand normally. Breweries would happily beg to get their sake featured — it's free advertising.
    101AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:19
    Doesn't imoni come with rice or something?
    Unless you eat a ton of it,
    you can't just have a light bite, drink,
    and call it a night —
    you'll still need to eat dinner separately.
    110AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:23
    Re: #101
    Since around the Heisei era, finishing the meal with udon caught on, and eventually curry udon became the standard finish. Though if the curry burns onto the pot, whoever has to wash it is in for a pain.
    139AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:34
    Re: #101

    (°∀°) Eating your fill of delicious taro, like Goi in "Imogayu" who dreamed of all the yam gruel he could eat — that's real satisfaction. I'd call that complete in itself.

    (°∀°) *hands over an iced café au lait*
    (/◎\) *glug*
    145AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:38
    Imoni really is delicious
    it just never comes out the same when I make it at home
    175AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:01
    Re: #145
    If it's soy-based, just order some Aji Maruju dashi shoyu (a Yamagata soy sauce brand) online and you'll get pretty close
    after that it's really just sake and sugar
    311AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:17
    Re: #175
    Re: #145
    My relatives in Yamagata used plain soy sauce, not dashi shoyu
    They told me the dashi comes from the beef itself, so you don't need to add any — that was pretty shocking to me as a kid

    I looked it up later, and apparently the combination of beef, mushrooms, taro, and long green onion perfectly balances the three big umami compounds — glutamic acid, inosinic acid, and guanylic acid — so that alone makes it incredibly delicious
    174AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:01
    Isn't the excavator dirty though
    183AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:10
    Re: #174
    It's brand new and cleaned beforehand
    They use margarine instead of lubricant oil

    …yeah, margarine, apparently…
    188AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:22
    Re: #183
    There's actually such a thing as food-grade machine grease
    Obviously there's no salt or seasoning in it
    192AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:41
    Re: #183
    I heard the organizers don't buy one every year — they reach out to a dealer that already has one and borrow it
    210AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:32
    Re: #192
    Apparently "used at the Imoni Party" is considered good luck locally, so it's popular
    I mean, it's not like you buy a power shovel every year anyway
    254AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:37
    Re: #210
    If I remember right, they borrow it before delivery, convert it to food-safe spec, use it for the imoni, then the manufacturer reconditions it and delivers it to the actual buyer
    It really is a good-luck charm, in a way
    246AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:18
    I'm a local and went for the first time last year, but my bowl barely had any ingredients in it — pretty disappointing
    I think it really depends on who's scooping, hit or miss
    Still, eating outdoors is great, so I'll probably go again this year

    Background and Talking Points

    The “Japan’s Best Imoni Party Festival” is held every autumn on the banks of the Mamigasaki River in Yamagata City, and this year marks its 38th run. The heavy machinery used is cleaned when new and has its lubricant swapped for food-grade grease as a hygiene measure — a point that came up in the thread as well. As for why the event runs during the lingering late-summer heat, one poster explained that organizers deliberately schedule it for this period because, once the weather actually cools down, Yamagata locals tend to enjoy imoni at home instead — so pushing the date back wouldn’t draw the same crowds. The thread also touched on how, even though both are called “imoni,” Yamagata’s version uses beef and a soy-sauce broth while Miyagi/Sendai’s uses pork and miso — a divide that has long fueled debate over the dish’s true origin. Alongside blunt reactions to the price and cooking method, posters traded jokes comparing the regions, though posts containing personal attacks, references to specific politicians, or discriminatory language were excluded from this article.

    This article is compiled from excerpts and summaries of the 5channel (Newsplus) thread “Something’s up with ‘Japan’s Best Imoni Party’? High-priced seats sell out — Yamagata.”

  • “Parasol Guys” OK for Marriage-Hunting Dates? Over 90% of Women Say “Good Impression” or “Fine With It”

    A survey by IBJ, which operates a matchmaking app, found that over 90% of women said men using parasols on dates during a heatwave left either a “good impression” or was something they’d “tolerate.” Meanwhile, 74% of women said their motivation for marriage-hunting itself drops on extremely hot days. On 5ch, reactions to the results were mixed — some posters were positive about “parasol guys,” while others pushed back with comments like “I just can’t stand the look” — revealing a divide in attitudes across generations, regions, and genders.

    How do you all feel about men who carry a parasol on a date during a heatwave?

    A survey conducted by “IBJ Matching App Lab,” run by IBJ Co., Ltd. (Shinjuku, Tokyo), revealed that over 90% of women responded that a man using a parasol on a date left a “good impression” or was something they’d “tolerate.”

    The survey also highlighted a gap in attitudes between men and women when it comes to summer marriage-hunting, with 74% of women saying their motivation drops on extremely hot days.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:13
    I want to ask someone who really knows this stuff —
    with the falling birthrate, are small and mid-size sash (aluminum window frame) manufacturers in rural areas going to lose work? Go under?
    4AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:14
    Re: #3
    If the population shrinks, the work shrinks too —
    every industry's going to shrink
    5AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:14
    彡⌒ミ
    (´・ω・`)☂👍
    86AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:50
    Re: #3
    Re: #5
    No way, no way (AA)
    229AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:54
    Re: #3
    They're already going under
    and more will go under from here
    89AnonymousAug 30, 2026 21:52
    "Tolerate"?
    Why's that so condescending lol
    135AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:09
    Fine if you're a good-looking guy, but
    if an old dude like me used a parasol, people would be totally creeped out
    142AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:12
    Re: #135
    An old guy who looks a bit cool and put-together makes a better impression than one dripping with sweat,
    and besides, health matters for old guys too
    155AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:19
    Re: #135
    It's a health item just like air conditioning — don't overthink it, just use one
    205AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:43
    Re: #135
    I've seen grandpas using them, so middle-aged guys shouldn't worry about it either
    a combo sun/rain umbrella is handy when it rains too
    145AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:13
    I really can't stand the look of guys with parasols,
    so I just go with a hat or a kasa (traditional woven hat)
    147AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:15
    Re: #145
    Here in Osaka city, men with parasols are already normal
    I use one a lot myself
    157AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:21
    Re: #145
    Why can't you stand the look?
    It's the same as when it's raining, isn't it?
    180AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:31
    Wait, seriously?! Old guys are allowed to use parasols too?
    182AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:32
    Re: #180
    What's wrong with that?
    184AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:32
    Re: #180
    I see plenty of guys in their 20s using them too —
    walking around the city is hot, after all
    186AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:33
    Re: #180
    Do whatever you want… it's so hot nobody's even looking at anyone else anyway
    207AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:44
    Tanning is completely done, honestly
    Top 3 things that are totally finished:
    TV, baseball, swimming at the beach, and tanning
    216AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:47
    Re: #207
    Guys with money are usually tanned
    237AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:58
    Re: #207
    Baseball just stopped being on TV as much — the stadiums themselves are absolutely packed
    Pro baseball shifted to a business model that makes its money at the ballpark, and revenue keeps hitting record highs

    Lotte games used to be empty, but now you can't even get a ticket
    222AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:50
    Better than ending up with bumpy, rough "manly" skin, right?
    228AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:53
    Re: #222
    By that point you'll be off everyone's romantic radar anyway, so who's even looking?
    297AnonymousAug 30, 2026 23:44
    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61AGlgYe9nL._AC_SX679_.jpg
    308AnonymousAug 30, 2026 23:53
    Parasol guys are honestly pretty cool
    https://tadaup.jp/8mr4JRt1.jpg
    https://tadaup.jp/8FimEyCG.jpg
    312AnonymousAug 30, 2026 23:56
    Re: #308
    That's because he's a model lol
    316AnonymousAug 30, 2026 23:59
    Re: #312
    Office workers (salarymen) using them look pretty comfortable too, nice
    https://tadaup.jp/8bnymQ5r.jpg
    https://tadaup.jp/8I7UYyIZ.jpg
    325AnonymousAug 31, 2026 00:06
    Re: #316
    A kasa (traditional woven hat) looks cooler
    Ronin, ninjas, samurai — real Japanese men have worn kasa since ancient times
    337AnonymousAug 31, 2026 00:16
    Is this what a typical 5ch old-timer looks like?
    https://tadaup.jp/8TSAfCF0.jpg
    https://tadaup.jp/8k1GO5xS.jpg
    340AnonymousAug 31, 2026 00:20

    Everyone keeps going on about pale skin, but judging by surveys of women, tanned guys are actually still pretty popular…
    341AnonymousAug 31, 2026 00:21
    Re: #340
    Of course a tanned hottie beats pasty-white guys like you
    342AnonymousAug 31, 2026 00:22
    Re: #340
    Few Japanese people can tan this nicely
    most just turn bright red and end up with sunspots

    Background and Talking Points

    The topic of “parasol guys” has come up more often in recent years alongside growing awareness of heatwave and UV protection. That said, it’s worth noting this survey was published by IBJ itself, a company that runs a dating/marriage-hunting app — so it comes from a business with a stake in the subject. It’s also worth flagging that “good impression” and “tolerate” are actually two different reactions, even though they’re lumped together as “over 90%.” In the thread, some men expressed discomfort with the idea of carrying a parasol, while women tended to view it more favorably as a heat-countermeasure — highlighting a gender gap in perception. Some posters noted that in urban areas, men using parasols is already unremarkable, pointing to differences by generation and region as well.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread ““Parasol Guys” OK for Marriage-Hunting Dates? Over 90% of Women Say “Good Impression” or “Fine With It”.”

  • Honda and Nissan Team Up on ‘Car Brains’ to Counter US and Chinese EV Upstarts — 5ch: ‘That’s an Alliance of Losers’

    Reports say Honda and Nissan are moving to collaborate on the basic software (OS) that will serve as the “brain” of next-generation vehicles. The two companies previously explored a full business merger before it fell through, so this time they’re limiting cooperation to the software-defined vehicle (SDV) space. The aim is to counter the rise of upstart EV makers in the US and China, but on 5ch the news drew harsh assessments like “an alliance of losers,” technical skepticism over whether a common OS is even feasible given how much vehicle architectures differ by platform, and conflicting views on the two companies’ financial performance.

    Honda and Nissan’s collaboration plan is now moving forward. After two years of twists and turns, the two automakers have chosen the next-generation “software-defined vehicle” (SDV) field as their starting point. By pooling resources, they aim to counter the rise of upstart electric vehicle (EV) makers.

    The two companies are expected to formally agree and announce the deal as early as the 31st. This marks the first time Japanese automakers have joined forces in a core SDV area such as basic software (OS).

    SDVs improve functionality through software updates, much like smartphones…(continues in the paid edition, 932 characters remaining)

    Source: nikkei.com / Original article here

    4AnonymousAug 30, 2026 08:58
    Here it comes!!!

    Isn't that basically a crime?
    Subcontractors are getting layoffs or pay cuts now
    Thanks a lot, Toyota

    Toyota Motor <7203> announced on the 27th that it will ask some of its parts suppliers to lower parts prices, requesting cuts starting in October equivalent to whatever cost savings they've achieved.
    14AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:04
    Re: #4
    Every company does this.
    It's not like anything bad happens if they don't cut prices, either.
    324AnonymousAug 30, 2026 22:34
    Re: #4
    Car prices have shot up like crazy, so give a little back down the chain.
    Pulling cheap stunts like this is exactly why they're hated.
    11AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:02
    If I were a Honda exec,
    I'd refuse and say I don't need Nissan even if it killed me.
    102AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:53
    Re: #11
    Someone as clueless as you could never become an exec, but Honda right now is in worse shape than Nissan.
    106AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:55
    Re: #102
    After accounting for EV gains and losses,
    they still posted a ¥400 billion profit this year.
    110AnonymousAug 30, 2026 10:00
    Re: #102
    Read the Shikiho (Japan's quarterly corporate almanac) before you post.
    15AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:04
    Honestly, do we even need updates that often? Wouldn't a minor refresh once every five years be enough? I'd like to grill someone about that for a good hour. Nag, nag, nag (lol)
    107AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:56
    Re: #15
    So you're fine with your smartphone or PC OS only updating once every five years too?
    Maybe you don't need new features or improvements if you're just an old geezer, but security would end up full of holes lol
    20AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:11
    If you don't want to die, it's gotta be EV from now on.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/n4Aib707nfM?si=KyH8byIX_0gMHGgU
    295AnonymousAug 30, 2026 18:21
    Re: #20
    These days even gas cars are getting snorkel options like off-road 4x4s.
    30AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:17
    There's never been a single success story that used the word "alliance."
    33AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:19
    Re: #30
    The Alliance for Centrist Reform: "…" (a short-lived, largely forgotten Japanese political party)
    38AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:22
    Re: #30
    Ireland, and the United Kingdom (literally the "Allied Kingdom")
    32AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:18
    Competing globally with e-Power's janky on-off brake light control? Give it a rest, are you half asleep? Go make N-BOX kei cars together instead.
    59AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:32
    Re: #32
    They tuned it so the brake lights trigger more easily during deceleration, and it turned into a car plagued by that flickery on-off brake light problem.
    Funny how, full circle, the old control that made brake lights harder to trigger was actually easier to drive behind.
    35AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:21
    Re: #22
    Honda, who used to look down on everyone, is running huge losses too…
    Nissan knew about Honda's finances through the banks.
    137AnonymousAug 30, 2026 10:14
    Re: #35
    Honda posted record-high profit this year though.
    139AnonymousAug 30, 2026 10:19
    Re: #137
    Yeah, and they sold off their Aoyama headquarters building too.
    42AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:23
    They're already 10 years behind in EVs, so wouldn't it be better to fight on a different front?
    49AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:27
    In America, there seems to be steady demand for old-school, simple pickup trucks over cars whose prices balloon from stuffing in tons of features.
    Is a "smartphone on wheels" really what users want, though?
    I don't think that many people are actually making heavy use of all those apps.
    51AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:30
    Re: #49
    American pickup trucks = Japan's kei cars
    44AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:23
    Why did Honda cancel the EV it had gotten right up to launch?
    Sony ended up embarrassed after even holding a reveal ceremony for theirs.
    46AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:25
    Re: #44
    Because it wasn't finished.
    55AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:31
    Pointless.
    BYD's momentum can't be stopped anymore.
    56AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:31
    When it comes to next-gen vehicles, even all the Japanese makers combined can't beat BYD alone anymore.
    Sad but that's reality.
    60AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:33
    Re: #55
    BYD's sales are already dropping fast, in case you hadn't noticed?

    Especially a disaster back home in Greater China.
    292AnonymousAug 30, 2026 18:12
    Re: #55
    Re: #56
    Warranties on 2.6 million Chinese EVs are expiring within the year, with no real plan in place for battery degradation, breakdowns, repair/replacement costs, or safety — so what happens then?
    They're sitting on ¥13.4 trillion in accounts payable and asking suppliers for 270-day payment grace periods. If there's actually a way out of that, I'd love to hear it.
    69AnonymousAug 30, 2026 09:35
    Re: #48
    That's false.

    AI explanation:
    Bearings from major Chinese makers like C&U (人本集团), ZWZ, and LYC are rigorously ISO-managed and high-precision, with durability comparable to major Japanese and European manufacturers.
    298AnonymousAug 30, 2026 19:00
    Re: #69
    Chinese parts are the worst though.
    Asking anyone to trust them is a nonstarter.
    162AnonymousAug 30, 2026 10:40
    That's an alliance of losers.
    They should be using Toyota's Arene to turn it into Japan's answer to Google or Windows — idiots.
    170AnonymousAug 30, 2026 10:47
    Re: #162
    If you've ever built your own PC you'd get this:
    software alone doesn't boost performance.
    You need to handle the motherboard, memory, CPU, and power supply together too.
    274AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:20
    Re: #162
    I hear rumors that Arene isn't going well either.
    The story goes that since the architecture differs by platform, it's genuinely hard to just define a common OS and EE architecture.

    The exact same thing applies to the Honda-Nissan alliance's common OS.
    They'd basically have to start by having one side align its EE architecture to the other's platform, but I have a feeling neither one will ever budge.
    206AnonymousAug 30, 2026 11:46
    Shouldn't Honda just stick to motorcycles at this point?
    215AnonymousAug 30, 2026 11:53
    Re: #206
    Once Chinese EV motorcycles and scooters really move in, Honda's finished, easily.
    217AnonymousAug 30, 2026 11:55
    Re: #206
    Isn't that basically the plan — dump the car division onto Nissan before eventually spinning it off entirely?
    Especially the domestic sales side.
    256AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:05
    Wouldn't it make more sense to build on top of some existing home-appliance OS instead?
    258AnonymousAug 30, 2026 13:07
    Re: #256
    I think cars need a real-time OS.
    271AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:07
    Re: #256
    We're talking about real-time control while driving at 100+ km/h, so middleware processing power, sensing, and SoC compute performance are all orders of magnitude short of what's needed.
    Drop a single frame of processing and the car goes out of control.
    285AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:41
    Re: #256
    The "OS" being talked about here is a vehicle OS to begin with —
    it's a level above things like Linux, not the OS running inside individual ECUs.
    Anyone going on about real-time OS here is completely missing the point.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    SDV (software-defined vehicle) refers to a design where a car’s functions improve through software updates, much like a smartphone, with the basic software (OS) and the electronic/electrical (EE) architecture serving as the key. Toyota has already developed its own OS, “Arene,” so even among Japanese automakers there’s no unified approach. In the thread, technical skepticism stood out over whether a common OS can realistically be built from scratch when vehicle architectures differ by platform, alongside conflicting assessments of Honda’s and Nissan’s financial results. It’s also worth noting that “OS” means two different things here — a real-time OS that controls individual components versus a vehicle OS that oversees the whole car — and that mix-up fueled some of the thread’s talking-past-each-other. Chinese EV giants like BYD also drew scrutiny over financial concerns lurking behind their rapid expansion, so who’s actually ahead isn’t a simple call.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “[Honda/Nissan] Japanese automaker alliance on ‘car brains’ to counter US and Chinese EV upstarts.”

  • Man in Fukuoka’s Nishi Ward Asks Passerby “Could You Show Me Your Panties?” — 5ch: “That’s Begging, Not Coercion”

    In the early hours of August 30, an incident occurred near the Shimoyamato public housing complex in Fukuoka City’s Nishi Ward, in which a man believed to be in his 50s approached a woman passing by and asked, “Could you show me your panties?” According to information released by the Fukuoka Prefectural Police, the location was a street in a residential area near Shimoyamato Station and several elementary and junior high schools. There have been no follow-up reports of an arrest — the release was strictly a crime-prevention advisory. On 5ch, discussion centered on whether the remark could actually be a legal problem, with some arguing “it’s a request, not coercion, so it wouldn’t count,” while others countered with the legal interpretation that “regardless of whether the other person consents, it qualifies as obscene conduct under the Nuisance Prevention Ordinance.” The thread also lit up over trivia about how “pantsu” (パンツ) originally referred to trousers.

    According to the Fukuoka Prefectural Police, at around 12:44 AM on August 30, an incident of obscene solicitation targeting a woman occurred on a street near the Shimoyamato public housing complex in Fukuoka City’s Nishi Ward. (Description of the perpetrator: male, approximately in his 50s, wearing grayish clothing)

    ■ Details of the incident: He said something obscene to a woman passing by. · “Could you show me your panties?”

    ■ Facilities near the scene: Shimoyamato Station [JR], Fukuoka Municipal Shimoyamato Elementary School, Fukuoka Municipal Seiryo Elementary School, Fukuoka Municipal Shimoyamato Junior High School, Fukuoka Municipal Seiryo Junior High School

    Source: news.jp / Original article here

    10AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:02
    Could you show me your pants?
    56AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:12
    Did the Night Patrol Sisters make a comeback in Fukuoka?! (a cheeky nod to "Yomawari Sensei," Japan's famous late-night street-patrol counselor)

    Re: #10
    Isn't it "underwear," not "pants"?
    626AnonymousAug 30, 2026 20:35
    Re: #10
    Which would be more fitting here, "could" or "would"?
    15AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:03
    I don't get it.
    If you secretly film someone you get busted for voyeurism, but now you get busted even after asking permission first?
    So what am I even supposed to do
    454AnonymousAug 30, 2026 19:22
    Re: #15
    > The issue here isn't just that it's a rude remark — it's that it's "a solicitation clearly meant to cause sexual shame or discomfort."
    Police classify "remarks that make someone feel sexually humiliated" as "obscene conduct," treating this kind of solicitation as a "threat offense" that could escalate into an actual sex crime.
    It's not just about whether it's technically illegal — whether it "undermines the other person's dignity and sense of safety" matters too.

    1. It violates the other person's sexual privacy and personhood

    Demanding someone "show their underwear" treats their body and underwear as a sexual object.

    Making that kind of demand without the other person's consent can, on its own, cause serious discomfort and shame.

    2. It's a sexual demand made in public, disregarding the other person's will

    The street is a public space used by countless strangers.
    Even if "it was just a joke" or "nothing was actually shown," that doesn't erase the problem of making a sexual demand of someone.
    582AnonymousAug 30, 2026 20:16
    Re: #15
    In the Reiwa era, the standard is whether the victim feels comfortable or not — you'd better update your worldview already.
    If you don't want to get shut out by society, the only option is to build up the imagination to consider how the other person feels.
    Honestly, imagination might be the single most important skill for functioning as an adult.
    Most people who never get ahead in their careers are the ones lacking imagination.
    27AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:06
    But "pants" originally meant trousers, so there's nothing obscene about it.
    32AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:07
    Re: #27
    Then what do you call underwear?
    649AnonymousAug 30, 2026 20:51
    Re: #27
    Kind of like how "bike" means bicycle in English?
    58AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:13
    The word "panty" fell out of use and became "shorts"…
    67AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:15
    Re: #58
    Whoo, wears… sho-sho (playful baby-talk stutter riffing on "shorts")
    107AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:23
    Re: #58
    It's still alive and well in my heart.
    73AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:16
    Is this really not okay? He's not forcing her, he's begging.
    81AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:16
    Re: #73
    It's a violation of the Nuisance Prevention Ordinance —
    counts as obscene conduct.
    231AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:55
    Re: #73
    Whether it's coercion or begging doesn't matter lol
    483AnonymousAug 30, 2026 19:36
    I wonder if anyone would actually show him, though
    If someone did show him without any fuss, he'd probably just demand more
    500AnonymousAug 30, 2026 19:43
    Re: #483
    You're pretty naive.
    Some girls actually like showing off, and plenty genuinely enjoy that kind of thing.
    Most of them just crave attention, and some get a thrill out of being looked at with sexual interest by the opposite sex.
    Women have sex drives too, you know
    otherwise humanity would've died out ages ago.
    528AnonymousAug 30, 2026 19:56
    Re: #483
    Like you said, there's a real risk it would escalate, so even an exhibitionist probably wouldn't show him.
    501AnonymousAug 30, 2026 19:44
    Real talk, the scariest part is that this guy actually thought a line like that would get someone to show him lol
    506AnonymousAug 30, 2026 19:45
    Re: #501
    Nah,
    guys like this get off just from saying stuff like this straight to a woman's face in the first place,
    and they get off on watching her reaction to it too.
    591AnonymousAug 30, 2026 20:20
    Sexual acts require consent.
    But if even asking for consent is off-limits, what are you supposed to do?

    Background and Key Points of This Story

    This kind of “suspicious person alert” is a system in which prefectural police issue advance notices — giving the date, location, and description — for crime-prevention purposes, without waiting for an arrest or a formal case; Fukuoka Prefectural Police follows the same practice. This time, the remark itself — “show me your panties” — became the focal point, but legally speaking this doesn’t fall under the Penal Code’s provisions on sexual voyeurism/photography; the real question is whether it meets the definition of “obscene conduct” under the prefecture’s Nuisance Prevention Ordinance. On the thread, some pointed to the intent behind the ordinance — regulating, ahead of time, acts that cause sexual shame against a person’s will, treating them as acts that could escalate into more serious sex crimes. Opinions on the thread split between “it’s just a request, not coercion, so there’s no issue” and “an ordinance violation applies regardless of consent or how it’s phrased.” There was also a tangent about how “pantsu” originally meant trousers — a bit of trivia easy to miss from the article alone, since its now-common meaning of “underwear” is actually a relatively recent usage. Worth noting too: this is only a warning-stage advisory, with no report of an arrest.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary from the 5ch (News Flash+) thread ““Could You Show Me Your Panties? 🙏” — Obscene Solicitation of a Passerby, Fukuoka.”

  • Massive Deer Herd Blankets Southern Alps Mountainside — 500 Strong, Nagano Locals Say ‘Never Seen Anything Like It’

    In Nagano Prefecture’s Southern Alps, a deer herd large enough to blanket an entire mountainside was caught on camera, leaving local residents stunned — “I’ve never seen numbers like this.” According to a report from the TV Asahi network, roughly 500 deer were counted. On 5ch, the discussion thread sprawled in every direction: whether wolves, the deer’s natural predator, should be reintroduced; worries about a food-chain domino effect where more deer means more food for bears, and therefore more bears; and even why venison and deer leather haven’t caught on more widely.

    Massive deer herd in the Southern Alps — 500 blanket the mountainside, locals say “never seen anything like it”

    Sun, Aug 30, 11:18 AM JST

    TV Asahi (ANN)

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    5AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:47
    What about releasing wolves into the wild?
    232AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:31
    Re: #5
    Germany
    Apparently 4,000 sheep a year get eaten there now, thanks to the growing wolf population.
    701AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:41
    Re: #5
    No need to listen to a single word the Wolf Society says.
    17AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:49
    It's because they're culling bears, the top of the ecosystem.
    32AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:51
    Re: #17
    It's because gun hunting isn't done anymore.
    You're off the mark.
    204AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:25
    Re: #17
    Isn't it wolves that are the top of the ecosystem?

    Japan wiped them out, so maybe it's bears now.
    316AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:47
    Re: #17
    We wrecked the ecosystem ourselves — serves us right.
    19AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:50
    Deer increase → bears increase.
    This is just the beginning, folks.
    59AnonymousAug 30, 2026 14:57
    Re: #19
    They're going to increase?
    But if they eat the grass, isn't that a good thing?
    Saves us the trouble of dangerous weeding work
    lol
    183AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:21
    Re: #59
    We're going to need to replant protective forests lol
    443AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:18
    Re: #59
    Even uneducated me knows there are downsides to wild deer spreading all over Japan.
    108AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:07


    I saw one too. I'm in Hyogo, and on my way home after 6pm a deer was eating grass in the rain.
    136AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:11
    Re: #108
    Thanks for the rare photo.
    Guess we're really heading back to how things were 500 years ago.
    143AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:12
    Re: #108
    Literally "grazing on the road" (a pun — 道草を食う normally means "to dawdle," but here the deer's actually eating grass on the road).
    140AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:12
    Saw a deer for the first time yesterday.
    It was dark, so I brightened the photo on my phone.
    There were two families of them.
    251AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:36
    Whoever figures out a delicious way to cook boar, deer, and bear is going to get rich.
    260AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:37
    Re: #251
    Can't speak for bear, but boar and deer are genuinely tasty.
    270AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:38
    Re: #251
    It's just a pain to commercialize — tasty ways to cook them already exist.
    303AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:45
    Re: #251
    More than the cooking method, it's the processing done right after the kill that completely changes how the meat tastes.
    The problem with game meat is you can't process it assembly-line style like livestock.
    307AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:45
    Unlike giraffes, deer can't reach the leaves up high, so they used to help the forest by eating undergrowth and low leaves, right?
    325AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:49
    Re: #307
    In winter when food is scarce,
    they strip tree bark bare and kill the trees on the mountain.
    https://www.shinrin-ringyou.com/topics/img/shika_mondai/00.jpg
    338AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:51
    Re: #325
    In Nara Park, the tree trunks are wrapped in metal netting, right?
    331AnonymousAug 30, 2026 15:50
    Lucky…

    440AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:18
    True story
    https://imgur.com/DEAnMku.jpeg
    453AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:21
    Hunters didn't hunt deer just for the meat, right?
    The antlers went into Chinese medicine, and the supple hide was essential for crafts and other goods.
    But now leather like that's been replaced by synthetic materials, so it doesn't sell anymore, I guess.
    468AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:24
    Re: #453
    The bizarre obsession with cost-cutting after the bubble economy collapsed gutted Japan's local industries.
    Hunting culture included.
    479AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:27
    Re: #453
    Koshu Inden… that's seriously great leather~ (a traditional deerskin craft from Yamanashi)
    483AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:28
    Deer droppings are packed with nutrients

    492AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:29
    Just post the images from the link already

    https://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/articles_img/900198309_img_32a2310dea57ca867786fb3920a84b1497274.jpg
    https://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/articles_img/900198309_img_1acda242d88af2eb31452c119554ee15126329.jpg
    516AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:33
    Re: #492
    That's a massive amount of animal protein!!
    797AnonymousAug 30, 2026 18:29
    Re: #492
    I figured 500 deer in the mountains was pretty normal, but seeing them packed this densely into such a narrow space… yeah, this is actually alarming.
    509AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:32
    Aren't bears more about fish and nuts?
    They could probably win a one-on-one against a deer, but deer are too quick to actually catch.
    518AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:33
    Re: #509
    Hunting and eating a deer is a hassle.
    Even bears will go for the easier meal if one's available.
    522AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:34
    Re: #509
    Humans hunt them, bears eat them.
    Next up to boom: bears 🐻
    531AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:36
    Re: #509
    Bears are biologically omnivores and eat pretty much anything, but their actual diet gets passed down culturally.
    In other words, cubs raised by parents who mainly eat acorns and never touch meat grow up eating the same way.
    It's been observed that meat-eating can start when bears are forced into it during a famine, or when a carnivorous bear turns up in a neighboring range and others "witness it eating meat" firsthand.

    So while bears are omnivores by biology, their real-world diet shifts through this kind of cultural transmission.
    Apparently some researchers have floated a hypothesis that meat-eaters tend to turn more aggressive while plant-eaters stay docile and timid, but whether that's actually true is unclear.
    606AnonymousAug 30, 2026 16:54
    698AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:40
    Is venison actually tasty?
    Deer leather is a luxury item.
    717AnonymousAug 30, 2026 17:52
    Re: #698
    It's delicious in season.
    Though it does have that unavoidable gamey smell.

    Background and key points of the debate

    Deer numbers in Japan have kept climbing largely because the Japanese wolf, once their natural predator, went extinct in the Meiji era, removing the mechanism that used to keep populations in check. On top of that, an aging and shrinking hunter population has lowered culling pressure, turning damage to forests and farmland into a nationwide problem. The thread split over several points: whether to reintroduce wolves, the knock-on food-chain effect where more deer means more food for bears (and therefore more bears), and the decline of hunting culture alongside falling demand for hide and antler products. One thing readers may overlook — and which posters in the thread pointed out themselves — is that the real bottleneck to using venison and deer leather isn’t a lack of tasty recipes; it’s the shortage of facilities to process the meat immediately after the kill (a gap in Japan’s game-meat processing infrastructure).

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “【🦌🦌🦌】Massive deer herd in the Southern Alps — 500 blanket the mountainside, locals say “never seen anything like it” — Nagano.”

  • Showa-era ‘Supercar Bikes’ Getting an Electric Reboot — 5ch: ‘Showa Kids Are Losing Their Minds’

    It has come to light that development is underway to revive the “supercar bicycles” that emerged during the late-1970s supercar boom — Bridgestone’s “Monte Carlo” chief among them — using modern technology such as electric pop-up headlights, a 12-speed electronic shifter, and LED turn signals. The project is being led by the head of the development company, who says he owned a Monte Carlo back in the day. The plan reportedly includes clearing the legal requirements for road use while also adding smartphone connectivity. On 5ch, some posters were thrilled (“Kids who grew up in the Showa era are over the moon”), while plenty of others were more skeptical (“Who’s actually going to buy this now?”), and the thread lit up with nostalgic talk about the old brands and bike designs.

    The shift lever sits on the frame’s top tube, and sliding it forward or backward triggers an electronic gear change. An LED above the lever shows the current gear. There are 12 speeds in total. While modern sport bikes typically get their gear count from “6 rear sprockets × 2 front chainrings,” this model sticks with the original’s single-lever design, achieving its 12 speeds with 12 sprockets on the rear wheel alone.

    The project is being produced by the company’s president, Norimitsu Nakai. Nakai owned a Bridgestone-made “Monte Carlo” supercar bike back in the day, and he reportedly launched this project to bring that memory back to life.

    Every feature and spec found on the original supercar bikes is being updated with modern technology, and development is proceeding toward a commercial product that also clears the legal requirements for use on public roads. It’s also set to include modern touches like smartphone connectivity for checking and adjusting settings.

    Source: hobby.watch.impress.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:15
    Turn signals feel necessary in this day and age, honestly.
    42AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:24
    Re: #3
    So I guess we won't need hand signals anymore?
    99AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:45
    Re: #3
    Honestly, this should be standard equipment on every bike.
    14AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:17
    I want them to stick an AI in it so it can talk.
    19AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:18
    Re: #14
    Isn't that just Knight Rider?

    Sheesh lolololololololololololololololololol
    265AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:35
    Re: #14
    Good morning, Michael.
    287AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:41
    Re: #14
    I ripped the factory nav out of my car and swapped in an Android display-audio unit, so when I fire up Gemini Live I can actually have a voice conversation with an AI!
    17AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:18
    People who were kids in the Showa era are thrilled,
    but nobody's actually riding something this flashy at our age now.
    And honestly, still living the bicycle life as a middle-aged guy? That's rock bottom.
    Even I drive an Alphard — the 20-series generation, but still.
    31AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:22
    Re: #17
    I'll never forget it — I was obsessed with a model called the ROXY.
    During summer break, my friends and I would hit the pool with the slide first thing in the morning, grab 200-yen cup noodles,
    then spend the afternoon playing Gachapon Senki (a Famicom game) on the Famicom.
    After dinner I'd watch Nihon Mukashi Banashi (an animated folktale show) and Zenin Shuugou (a classic Saturday-night variety show), get sleepy, and climb into bed thinking "no school again tomorrow!"

    I drive an Alphard too these days.
    Life's comfortable now, but honestly, I was happier as a kid.
    205AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:17
    Re: #17
    Some of these guys went all the way and upgraded to 1.5-million-yen road bikes.
    210AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:18
    Re: #17
    This is probably meant to be displayed in a garage, not ridden.
    24AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:19
    Here I was thinking they'd put LEDs on the spokes to make them glow rainbow colors…
    108AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:47
    Re: #24
    No, you attach rim brushes to the spokes and jam a tennis ball in there.
    119AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:49
    Re: #108
    Turns out putting brushes on the spokes didn't actually do anything…
    125AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:50
    Re: #108
    You put plastic rings on the spokes
    and enjoy the jingling sound at low speed, lol
    (once you speed up, centrifugal force pins them flat and they go quiet)
    32AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:22
    Back in the day the headlight ran off a friction dynamo you powered yourself.
    That thing got brutally heavy on hills, and in midsummer you'd sweat through to your underwear.
    But hey, it built up your legs and kept you from getting heatstroke.
    215AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:19
    Re: #32
    And the bulb would burn out almost instantly, lol
    226AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:23
    Re: #32
    The hub dynamos on today's mamachari (standard city bikes) are still human-powered generators too, you know.
    They're way lighter than rim dynamos though, since there's no physical friction.
    234AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:25
    Re: #32
    I modded mine, added extra lamps, and ran it off a 7.2V Tamiya RC battery.
    41AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:24
    What was even the point of semi-drop handlebars?
    50AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:28
    Re: #41
    Seeing the photo, that one detail alone hits me with insane nostalgia, lol
    227AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:24
    Re: #41
    Semi-drop bars are literally just a regular mamachari handlebar flipped upside down.
    51AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:28
    I like this rear end better

    77AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:37
    Re: #51
    Wait, Suzuki used to make bicycles too?
    134AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:52
    Re: #51
    (;゚Д゚) [shocked face] The second photo — don't tell me this is what led to the Suzuki Impreza!?
    241AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:29
    Lights have improved and power sources have improved too.
    Don't need it all bulky and over-the-top, but
    something like the bike in Re: #51 with just turn signals added would be nice.
    63AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:32
    If you're gonna call it a 'supercar' bike, go look at a Countach frame and come back.
    69AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:33
    Re: #63
    I lived through the supercar boom myself, and yeah, a lot of people pictured the Countach when they heard 'supercar.'
    Back then people split into the Countach camp and the Ferrari BB camp.
    96AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:44
    Re: #69
    Most kids went for the 'Lamborghini three brothers' (a nickname for Lamborghini's Countach/Miura/Urraco lineup at the time) or the Lancia Stratos.
    I went with the classic Countach LP400.
    Red, of course.
    168AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:04
    Re: #69
    Strip off the body panels and you can see the Countach and the 365 GT4 BB are completely different animals.
    The Countach has this insanely complex tubular space frame that makes you wonder if it was really mass-produced, while the BB's frame looks like something a grade-schooler welded together.
    Hard to say whether to praise that as Fiat-style pragmatic simplicity or not.
    88AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:41
    I don't get who the target audience is.
    It's not sized for kids, and the kids who once dreamed of owning one are 50-plus now and aren't exactly clamoring for it today.
    112AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:48
    Re: #88
    (;゚Д゚) It's not drop bars, so your hands would get tired on long rides,
    and there's no fender, so you're doomed the moment it rains.
    This is purely a novelty spec, huh.
    254AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:32
    Re: #88
    The thing a middle-aged guy can ride without embarrassment is an e-assist mini-velo.

    One geared high, so you get speed even with a low cadence.
    111AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:48
    Bridgestone, National, Maruishi…
    can't remember any others.
    126AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:50
    Re: #111
    (;゚Д゚) Silk, Miyata, Araya, Toei.
    132AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:52
    Re: #126
    Sorry, but Miyata's the only one of those I actually know.
    157AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:58
    Re: #132
    (;゚Д゚) Every once in a while you'll spot the Araya name on some ancient bicycle sign hanging outside a long-defunct bike shop, lol
    I think Silk used to build keirin racing bikes for the Tokyo Olympics?
    The shop that inherited that legacy is apparently still around in Fujimino.
    151AnonymousAug 29, 2026 14:56
    Still more where that came from
    ://i.imgur.com/Le9EsDx.jpeg
    303AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:46
    Re: #151
    Still can't beat the homemade feel of the Meiji Starliners.


    313AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:50
    Re: #303
    Yeah, no wonder people mock it, lol
    309AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:48
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Retractable_headlight_for_bicycle.gif
    316AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:50
    These days, this is probably what a 'supercar bike' looks like

    Background and Talking Points

    Supercar bicycles were a genre of kids’ bikes that emerged in the late 1970s, riding the wave of the supercar boom sparked by movies and manga. They were known for semi-drop handlebars, gear shift levers, and round headlights reminiscent of the Lamborghini Countach or Ferrari 365 GT4 BB. Bridgestone’s “Monte Carlo” was one of the defining models of the genre, and this new project traces back to the developer’s own memories of owning one.

    Opinions in the thread mostly split over one question: who’s actually going to buy this? The generation that once dreamed of these bikes is now around 50 years old, and many pointed out the gap between nostalgia and practicality. At the same time, features like the motorized headlight and smartphone integration were welcomed by some as a genuine attempt to reproduce the era’s gimmicks within modern legal requirements. It’s also worth noting that adding turn signals to bicycles ties into ongoing debates about safety standards for e-assist bikes and mopeds, so there’s more going on here than pure nostalgia.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Breaking News Plus) thread “Electric pop-up lights, 12-speed shifting, LED turn signals… Updating the dream supercar bike with modern technology, now in development.”

  • “Nobody Came This Summer Either”: 72-Year-Old Stopped Helping Her Grandchild Financially — And Family Visits Stopped Too

    “Starting this year, I’m not giving them any more.” A 72-year-old woman living on a monthly pension of ¥160,000 cut off financial support to her grandchild’s family — and the family’s once-annual invitation to a summer vacation together abruptly stopped coming. The episode, reported by GENTOSHA GOLD ONLINE, became a hot topic on 5ch. Some readers reacted coldly to a family that only visits when money is involved, asking “Weren’t they just mooching off her?” Meanwhile, opinions split over whether ¥160,000 a month is a lot or a little — some said “that’s normal for a civil servant,” others “reasonable once you add in a survivor’s pension” — sparking a flood of comments about the nuclear family trend and the distance in modern parent-child relationships.

    “Starting this year, I’m not giving them any more” — why she stopped helping her grandchild

    “Should we all go somewhere together again this summer?”

    When her eldest daughter Mayu (pseudonym, 45) asked her that, her mother Etsuko (pseudonym, 72) hesitated for a moment before answering.

    Source: gentosha-go.com / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:56
    That's just how it goes, isn't it?
    26AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:01
    Re: #2
    Yeah, that's about right.
    A downside of the nuclear family trend.
    185AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:29
    Re: #2
    Family love (lol)
    245AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:37
    Re: #2
    Grandma and grandpa are supposed to cover the bullet-train fare when the family comes to visit, y'know.
    6AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:57
    They're just coming to mooch off her.
    Embarrassing daughter.
    If anything, she should be the one paying and bringing her parents along.
    You could call it a parenting failure, but this kind of thing is becoming more common.
    125AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:20
    Re: #6
    My older brother and his wife mooched off our parents for everything from travel costs to the photographer fees for Shichi-Go-San (a traditional milestone celebration for young kids). They even built their house on our parents' land — a whole family of moochers.
    There are plenty of cases where the son's side is worse than the daughter's.
    8AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:58
    An old person pulling in ¥160,000 a month — that's basically civil-servant-pension territory.
    40AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:03
    Re: #8
    My mom apparently gets over ¥200,000. Though she was an absolute powerhouse who worked her way up from insurance sales.
    112AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:18
    Re: #8
    Combined with a survivor's pension, that's pretty normal though.
    14AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:59
    THE GOLD ONLINE editorial team
    They put out these made-up sob stories a lot, huh.
    Aren't they embarrassed doing this kind of work?
    27AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:01
    Re: #14
    Tokyo just draws in more people than it needs, and there are tons of people doing jobs that don't need to exist. Japan would be better off if they went and farmed in the countryside instead.
    51AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:06
    Re: #14
    They get AI to crank out articles for basically free and rake in the page views, so of course they'll keep doing it. It's the evolved form of the "kotatsu article" (a piece written from the comfort of a kotatsu with zero actual reporting).
    170AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:27
    Re: #14
    They all live in high-rise condos.
    A genuine "winners" organization.
    Just give up.
    25AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:01
    My elementary-school son didn't even know his grandfather's (my dad's) first name.
    68AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:09
    Re: #25
    Isn't that more of a family-environment problem, if "Grandpa" is all he can recognize him as?
    Expecting a kid to go look it up himself is a pretty unwinnable ask.
    32AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:02
    Used as free daycare during the demanding years, hit up for spending money, and the second she says she can't do it anymore, it's a quick goodbye.

    A truly modern, dry kind of relationship.
    These are the types who'll definitely start fighting the moment nursing care becomes necessary due to illness.
    39AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:03
    Re: #32
    That's just how it is, eh.
    35AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:02
    If anything, she should be happy her grandkids are becoming independent.
    226AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:35
    Re: #35
    This isn't about the grandkid — it's about the grandkid's whole family.
    43AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:04
    Re: #1
    "A daughter is [worth] eight burglars."


    It's a famous proverb. (A twist on the real saying "one daughter draws eight suitors" — swapping suitors for burglars.)
    93AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:14
    Re: #43
    Hey, I actually asked Google if that proverb is real, and here's what it said:


    If this is an active emergency (an ongoing burglary), please call 110 [Japan's police emergency line] immediately.
    If you're looking for information about a specific incident — like "my daughter got caught up in an 8-person burglary ring" or "my daughter was arrested/reported as one of 8 suspects in a robbery causing injury or death" — please check and provide the following details.
    44AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:04
    ¥160,000 a month — that's a pretty decent retirement.
    53AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:06
    Re: #44
    Taxes get taken out of that though.
    113AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:18
    My parents were super stingy. But out of all my siblings, I was the only one who showed up twice a year (no money changing hands).

    Even if it's a hassle, I think it's worth visiting once or twice a year.
    121AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:19
    Re: #113
    Wait, why does it never occur to anyone that the parents could go visit them instead lol
    149AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:23
    Re: #121
    My parents call me asking "so when are you coming this year?" They don't have a car, so visiting us isn't really an option for them.
    They don't give my daughter New Year's money (otoshidama), but I'm happy they send us a ton of vegetables in spring and summer instead.
    145AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:23
    Re: #1
    It does read like a cold daughter, but this grandma probably had some coldness in her own relationships all along too.
    How you raise your kids comes back around to you.
    161AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:25
    Re: #145
    Probably.
    Children are a mirror of their parents.
    160AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:25
    I always wonder — what's with the people giving dead-serious replies to what's probably a made-up story?
    176AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:28
    Re: #160
    Even if this article is made up, similar things happen all the time in real life. Guess you wouldn't get that though.
    178AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:28
    Relying on your parents' money at 45 — isn't that embarrassing? You're supposed to be the one supporting them by now.
    183AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:29
    Re: #178
    They coin terms like "kodo-oji" (mocking adult men who still live at home with their parents) to push people out, and then turn around and demand support — that's rich.
    189AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:29
    Re: #178
    Though the parents probably also got some satisfaction out of being the ones who could afford to give money.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    This kind of first-person “¥X a month, Y-year-old woman” human-interest story is regularly published by financial outlets like GENTOSHA GOLD ONLINE to draw out readers’ empathy or anxiety, and commenters on the thread noted it might be a “made-up composition.” A pension of ¥160,000 a month is a figure that a single person’s National Pension alone (topping out around ¥60,000-something a month even at the full rate) can’t reach on its own — it’s typically only achieved by combining it with Employees’ Pension Insurance or a survivor’s pension, so readers unfamiliar with Japan’s public pension system tend to split on whether the number sounds like “a lot” or “a little.” While the thread leaned critical of a family whose visits seemed to hinge on financial support, opinions were divided over who was really at fault — the ones asking for help or the one giving it — leaving the emotional distance between parents and children as a point with no easy right or wrong answer.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News Plus) thread “👵”Nobody Came This Summer Either” 〈Pension ¥160,000/month, 72-Year-Old Woman〉 Family Visits Stopped After She Ended Support for Her Grandchild.”

  • Google Japan Engineer Fired for ‘Markedly Poor Performance’ One Month After a Glowing Review

    A software engineer who had worked at Google’s Japan subsidiary for over a decade, steadily climbing the ranks along the way, was fired the month after receiving a high performance rating — abruptly judged to have ‘markedly poor work conduct.’ Their annual salary was 14.7 million yen. The stated deciding factor was failure to meet an abstractly worded goal of ‘demonstrating L5-level leadership,’ set against the backdrop of the Performance Improvement Program (PIP) that has spread among foreign-affiliated companies. On 5ch, some argued this is simply to be expected at meritocratic foreign firms, while others pointed out that the company would be at a disadvantage in a wrongful-dismissal lawsuit precisely because of the high salary involved — sparking a broader debate over the merits of Japan’s dismissal regulations.

    Promoted again and again over more than ten years, climbing steadily up the ranks — until one day, a software engineer at Google’s Japan subsidiary (Google Japan G.K.) was suddenly pushed out of their job, deemed to have ‘markedly poor’ work conduct.

    The deciding factor in the dismissal was the ‘unmet’ status of a ‘goal’ set in abstract terms: ‘should demonstrate leadership at the L5 level.’ Their annual salary was 14.7 million yen. In the performance review just before the dismissal, they had been rated highly, receiving a ‘Significant Impact (S)’ rating.

    Behind it all was the ‘PIP’ (Performance Improvement Program), a system increasingly adopted at foreign-affiliated companies and elsewhere.

    Source: news.livedoor.com / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:59
    Foreign companies are meritocracies (pay-for-performance)
    Of course you get fired if you're useless
    Of course incompetent people get low pay
    6AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:01
    Re: #3
    Couldn't they have just demoted him instead?
    230AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:15
    Re: #3
    That includes communication skills and people skills though
    Even if you're highly capable, you're no good if you can't get along with others
    Being disliked by those around you is also bad
    Not following the rules is bad too
    279AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:39
    Re: #3
    I can't tell the difference between 'useless' and 'incompetent'
    If they're the same thing, which is it — fired, or just underpaid?
    7AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:02
    Isn't Japanese law on the employee's side though?
    He's a high earner so he could probably afford to fight it even if the lawsuit drags on
    21AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:04
    Re: #7
    He'd have an overwhelming advantage, so the company would be in trouble if it went to court
    94AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:30
    Re: #7
    He could win a wrongful dismissal suit, but he'd go back to work, get rated as underperforming, get demoted, and his salary would drop anyway…
    9AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:03
    Re: #1
    > Annual salary was 14.7 million yen
    That's less than I expected.
    40AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:10
    Re: #9
    He's brilliant enough that 100 of us combined couldn't match him, yet his salary isn't 100x ours.
    126AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:37
    Re: #9
    You'd think he'd be pulling in tens of millions of yen a year.
    155AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:45
    Re: #9
    Same here
    I thought, 'wait, isn't that supposed to be his monthly salary?'
    15AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:04
    Hasn't Google always been like this?
    And in America, they say you can suddenly be told you're fired one day,
    and a security guard with a gun tells you 'get out of the building right now, we'll ship your personal belongings later,' and you're immediately escorted out.
    121AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:36
    Re: #15
    I can picture it now — someone walking out clutching a cardboard box stuffed with their belongings (lol)
    29AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:07
    That's just normal at foreign companies
    Even with an 'annual salary,' some people get let go right away, so it's not like everyone actually collects the full amount.
    58AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:16
    Re: #29
    Even at a foreign company, as long as the employment contract is in Japan, Japanese law applies.
    31AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:07
    He won't win even if he sues
    Google will bring in top-tier lawyers
    And they've probably got plenty more undisclosed reasons in their back pocket to throw out one after another
    Global companies are just too powerful
    41AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:11
    Re: #31
    Well, they don't even need to fire him
    They can just demote him, tank his ratings, and slash his pay to nothing
    46AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:12
    Re: #31
    The conclusion is right, but it's really just that salarymen who out-earn the judge don't win labor lawsuits.
    148AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:43
    Re: #31
    Even IBM lost a labor case here
    Even Google can't pull this off in Japan
    34AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:09
    PIP? Don't you mean RIP?
    43AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:12
    Re: #34
    Ah, like 'Pip Elekiban' (a pun on the famous pain-relief patch brand)
    95AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:30
    I used to work at Oracle, and I got the highest possible rating in performance management.
    But I still got fired.
    That's just how foreign companies are.
    103AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:32
    Re: #95
    Basically it means you weren't worth your paycheck
    Typical shitty foreign company
    115AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:35
    Re: #95
    Exactly
    When you take a job at a foreign company, getting fired is something you know going in
    In exchange, raises come faster and pay is higher than at a Japanese company — it's a trade-off baked into the deal
    So suing to demand Japanese-company-level treatment once you actually get fired seems like a bad move to me lol
    181AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:56
    People going on about Japan's dismissal regulations —
    can't they imagine what would happen if you got fired while paying off a mortgage and raising kids?
    191AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:59
    Re: #181
    If you work at an unstable company,
    don't take out a mortgage
    Worst case, move in with your or your wife's parents
    211AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:06
    Re: #181
    Being easy to fire also means it's easy to quit yourself
    A company that can fire easily also hires mid-career easily
    In a country like Japan where getting fired ruins your life,
    it's hell — you have to grit your teeth and keep working at a company that doesn't suit you forever, even if you're depressed
    Whereas in the West, you can easily leave a company that doesn't fit
    and pick one that does, which boosts motivation and productivity — nothing but upsides 😁
    213AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:07
    Re: #181
    Mortgages still work fine in America despite that
    Japan could just switch to an American-style mortgage system
    185AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:57
    Apparently things are moving from humans typing prompts for AI to do the work, toward AI running the whole loop on its own.
    189AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:58
    Re: #185
    That's just going to go out of control
    194AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:01
    Re: #189
    Apparently humans still check it, at least nominally
    but the actual work is entirely outsourced to AI
    195AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:01
    Re: #189
    Executive: 'Tell me how to grow our company'
    AI: 'Fire the current executive'
    208AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:06
    Re: #1
    If your boss doesn't like you, that's just how it goes
    Foreign companies are actually worse in that regard
    People say JTCs (old-school Japanese companies) are rotten with organizational dysfunction, but foreign firms are on another level
    No wonder it's only the cutting-edge companies that don't put out garbage products and services
    Meritocracy? As long as you deliver results it's fine?
    Yeah right
    210AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:06
    Re: #208
    That boss gets fired too if he doesn't deliver results
    so if a subordinate is genuinely capable, he won't fire them no matter how badly they clash personally
    225AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:13
    Re: #210
    Just my gut feeling, but that's an extremely rare case
    It's rare for someone to be truly irreplaceable
    272AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:36
    Can you even fire someone out of the blue in Japan?
    It's common enough in 'Merica, but…
    284AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:41
    Re: #272
    Apparently at US-affiliated foreign companies, HQ back in the States holds all the HR authority, so there's zero 'Japan' factored in
    290AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:44
    Re: #272
    Even foreign companies have to comply with Japanese law
    It's just that, being foreign-affiliated, firings are still common, and employees take the job knowing that going in

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    PIP (Performance Improvement Program) is a system adopted mainly by foreign-affiliated companies, known as a mechanism that imposes improvement goals on low-rated employees and leads to dismissal or a recommendation to resign if those goals aren’t met. This case drew attention because the employee’s most recent rating before dismissal had been high — a ‘Significant Impact (S)’ — and because failure to meet an abstract goal of ‘demonstrating L5-level leadership’ was used as the grounds for firing them. In the thread, opinions split between those who saw this as simply expected at meritocratic foreign firms, and those who argued that since working in Japan means the dismissal regulations under the Labor Contract Act apply, the company ends up more disadvantaged in a lawsuit the higher the employee’s salary is. That said, even when a court does rule a dismissal invalid, it’s not unusual for the employee to return to the workplace only to keep receiving low ratings and see their salary drop anyway — a nuance that tended to get overlooked in the replies, since winning the case doesn’t necessarily mean getting one’s treatment restored.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread ‘Google Engineer Earning 14.7 Million Yen a Year Suddenly Fired 👨‍💻 — Why a High Rating Flipped to ‘Markedly Poor’ the Next Month.’

  • Technical College Grads’ Starting Pay Now Beats University Grads Two Years Older — Mitani Corp CEO: “It’s a Status Symbol”

    Ishikawa-based Mitani Corporation has reportedly set starting salaries for kosen (technical college) graduates higher than those of university graduates who are two years older, sparking discussion on 5ch’s News Express+ board. According to the original article, data shows kosen graduates earn roughly 40 million yen less in lifetime wages than university graduates, even as a growing number of companies revise treatment to reward practical skill. Opinions on the thread split over whether academic credentials or hands-on ability should be valued more, with comments ranging from “more useful on the job than university grads” to “kosen grads can never become company president” to “go from kosen to a national graduate school and your credentials end up ahead anyway.”

    3 key points from this article

    Kosen graduates earn roughly 40 million yen less in lifetime wages than university graduates

    But some companies are now setting kosen graduates’ starting pay above that of university grads

    Source: business.nikkei.com / Read the original article here

    3AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:48
    There are people out there saying "what you learn at university is useless!" so it wouldn't be strange to see more companies favoring high school/kosen grads and just training them in-house.
    69AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:37
    Re: #3
    Hint: it's kosen. The caliber is worlds apart from a regular high school grad.
    90AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:09
    Re: #3
    Seems like there'd be a pretty big gap in usefulness between a high school grad and a kosen grad.
    4AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:49
    8AnonymousAug 29, 2026 15:52
    I mean, fresh university grads are seriously useless on the shop floor.
    16AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:00
    Re: #8
    Science/engineering university grads are for research, development, or design — no use for on-site work, right?

    Honestly, for everything from sales to office work to skilled trades, high school or even junior-high grads are fine.
    94AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:11
    Re: #8
    Conversely, that means kosen grads are only useful on-site.
    19AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:00
    Lifetime earnings of disposable kosen grads lol
    25AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:02
    Re: #19
    Still better than a useless know-it-all university grad.
    22AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:01
    They should cut back on regular academic high schools and expand kosen instead.

    Honestly, they should start training science/engineering specialists from junior high.

    Law and economics can be an afterthought.
    162AnonymousAug 29, 2026 18:44
    Re: #22
    Probably kosen just have a higher concentration of good students because there are so few of them — I doubt increasing the numbers would proportionally increase the number of capable grads (´・ω・`)
    24AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:02
    The trend at listed manufacturers these days is technical high school grads — they work hard and have good instincts. If you're diligent, you can aim for a department-head-level salary of 12 million yen by your late 40s/early 50s.
    36AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:13
    Re: #24
    Isn't 12 million yen too low for department-head level at a listed company?
    42AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:18
    Re: #24
    30 years ago, if you weren't clearing 10 million yen in your 30s you were basically on the layoff list. My high-school-grad parent was a department head at 40, making just under 20 million yen.
    72AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:40
    Re: #24
    More manufacturers are indeed reevaluating skilled high-school-grad workers and promoting more of them into management. That said, at major companies, promotion slots for management (section chief, department head) are still mostly reserved for university/graduate-school-educated career-track staff. Nationwide, the route from technical-high-school grad to department-head level (12 million yen/year) by one's late 40s/early 50s remains limited to exceptional cases or a narrow track for those who rose through the ranks on-site.
    82AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:55
    But they can never become company president. We don't need cherry-picked special cases.
    123AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:53
    Re: #82
    There are idiots on 5ch who talk about special cases as if they're the norm.
    130AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:58
    Re: #82
    Anyone who actually wants to become company president doesn't go to kosen in the first place.
    84AnonymousAug 29, 2026 16:58
    But blue-collar work is embarrassing though.
    125AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:54
    Re: #84
    It's not embarrassing. It's just that the bottom rung of blue-collar workers bashing specific people out of jealousy that's unsightly.
    126AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:55
    Re: #84
    I think most blue-collar workers are pretty serious about their work.
    86AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:01
    I believed every job serves society, so as a graduate of a former Imperial University I took a job at a small local company. The result: I learned the hard way that in this world, the name (of your school/employer) is everything.
    I was naive back then. Way too naive.
    95AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:11
    Re: #86
    What an earnest guy. I actually like people like that.
    103AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:21
    Re: #86
    Even graduating from a former Imperial University, your Japanese is pretty rough. No wonder the big companies won't hire you.
    89AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:06
    Quite a few kosen grads go on to schools like Toyohashi University of Technology or Nagaoka University of Technology, and then continue to grad school at a top national university. In that case, their final degree is a master's or doctorate from that grad school, which ranks above a 4-year University of Tokyo bachelor's degree. There are jobs out there that won't even hire University of Tokyo grads if all they have is a bachelor's.
    109AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:25
    Re: #89
    At that point they're not really "a kosen grad" anymore. Same as how even if you graduate from an elite prep school like Kaisei or Tsukuba-Komaba, if you don't go on to university — or even drop out — companies will just treat your education level as high school.
    113AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:33
    Re: #89
    If you have to work that hard, it sounds exhausting all the way to retirement. I'd rather live comfortably on a high salary.
    133AnonymousAug 29, 2026 17:59
    Mitani Corporation is a decently sized company that must take on a lot of new hires — is it really okay to do this? If kosen grads end up favored over, say, Kanazawa Institute of Technology grads, that's bound to cause all sorts of problems.
    138AnonymousAug 29, 2026 18:14
    Re: #133
    Kosen students take 5 years of specialized coursework before entering the workforce. Kanazawa Institute of Technology grads take about 2 years of specialized coursework. It makes sense that kosen grads get paid more.
    215AnonymousAug 29, 2026 19:24
    Re: #133
    The son of the cleaning shop near me went from kosen straight into NHK, and the pay was good enough that he built a house in both Tokyo and back home. Right now every country is short on electrical engineers due to demand for data center construction — I saw a news story about one company offering 10 million yen to a fresh technical-high-school grad. In a Nippon Steel-related news piece, I also saw an article about an electrical engineer shortage in the US. Some companies sponsor regional kosen and help maintain their school facilities, and depending on the company, they'll send instructors to teach or provide equipment — really investing in these schools. Some kosen even have cleanrooms. It's not well known, but the ties between kosen and companies are strong.
    143AnonymousAug 29, 2026 18:24
    University grads have stronger comprehension and problem-solving skills, including the fundamentals, so it should pay off in the long run, though.
    146AnonymousAug 29, 2026 18:26
    Re: #143
    Kosen also require solid comprehension to master the coursework, so I don't think there's really much difference between university and kosen grads there.
    150AnonymousAug 29, 2026 18:36
    Re: #143
    Oh really? So every single university grad has better fundamentals, comprehension, and problem-solving skills than every high school or kosen grad? First I'm hearing of it.
    165AnonymousAug 29, 2026 18:45
    TSMC straight up said something like a kosen grad could never handle semiconductor development.
    176AnonymousAug 29, 2026 18:51
    Re: #165
    If you're not involved in cutting-edge development tech from an early stage, development is probably impossible, right? High school grads can't get into development roles, and university grads' research is just whatever their professor wants anyway.
    182AnonymousAug 29, 2026 18:53
    Re: #165
    That's a lie. Once the manufacturing process is locked in, semiconductor work is basically just tracing lines on a drawing.
    206AnonymousAug 29, 2026 19:14
    Dividing people into "humanities" and "sciences" in the first place is weird. Someone who's genuinely good at studying would just casually get whatever certification the company tells them to get.
    208AnonymousAug 29, 2026 19:17
    Re: #206
    If you're going to categorize people, it should be more like logical types, emotional types, and physical types.
    224AnonymousAug 29, 2026 19:32
    Re: #206
    More accurately, it's humanities, sciences, and everyone else who's just weak sauce. It's already strange for scrubs who haven't even published a paper to call themselves "humanities" or "sciences" types.
    232AnonymousAug 29, 2026 19:49
    Wait, this is Mitani Corp? I'm holding it for the 「皿」(stock kept as collateral for margin trading) — I honestly have no idea what the company even does lol. It's the biggest gainer among the individual stocks I own.

    Background and key points of this discussion

    Kosen (technical colleges) are 5-year institutions students enter after junior high school, and their institutional standing differs from that of universities. In recent years, driven by a shortage of engineers in electrical, semiconductor, and data-center-related fields, the market value of kosen graduates — who can contribute as immediate assets — has been rising, and Mitani Corporation’s starting-salary reversal can be seen as one example of this trend. Opinions on the thread split over whether academic credentials or practical ability should be valued more: some praised kosen grads’ usefulness on-site, while others pointed out that university grads still hold the advantage when it comes to promotion into management or lifetime earnings. Worth noting — and easily overlooked in debates that simply rank education as high school, kosen, or university — is that kosen grads who go on to graduate school at institutions like Toyohashi University of Technology end up with their final degree counted as a graduate degree.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (News Express+) thread “🧑‍🔧 “Kosen grads have status” — Mitani Corp president: starting pay overtakes university grads two years older.”