Category: Idols

  • Typhoon Approaches, Casting a Shadow Over ANGERME’s ROCK IN JAPAN Appearance — 5ch: ‘This Group Is Just Too Cursed’

    The organizers of ROCK IN JAPAN FES. 2026 have announced that the September 19 (Sat) show will go ahead as planned, judging that the approaching Typhoon No. 25 won’t have a major impact. ANGERME is set to perform in Soga on September 21 (Mon, holiday), and whether the shows on the 20th and 21st proceed will be decided later depending on the typhoon’s path. On 5ch’s Hello! Project board, the group’s long-running reputation for being “cursed” — a running joke every time bad weather rolls in — resurfaced in force, with posters comparing them to labelmates Juice=Juice, who have historically dodged bad weather at outdoor events on the same dates, and debating which outcome — the show going ahead or getting canceled — would make funnier material.

    【ROCK IN JAPAN FES. 2026】

    Regarding the go/no-go decision for September 19 (Sat), and the decision process for September 20 (Sun) and 21 (Mon, holiday)

    Regarding Typhoon No. 25, which formed at 9pm last night: current forecasts indicate no major impact is expected on September 19 (Sat), so that show will proceed as scheduled.

    Source: x.com / Original post here

    2AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:37
    This group is WAY too cursed lmaooo
    53AnonymousSep 17, 2026 16:04
    Re: #2
    Wait, is ANGERME the only one performing?
    3AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:37
    If anything, ANGERME's whole purpose in life is to have the show barely go ahead as scheduled so everyone can burn some insane scenery into their retinas
    5AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:39
    Re: #3
    It's not that big a stage though, so we probably won't get the same crazy scenery as last year
    4AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:38
    By the way, Juice=Juice pulled off a miracle typhoon dodge and killed it at 'Lucky Fest' lol
    36AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:52
    Re: #4
    Oh yeah, the one where the crowd was so empty they couldn't even release the photos lol
    37AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:53
    Re: #36
    The 'Lucky Fest' where once Juice=Juice's set wrapped up, you could actually get close to ANGERME's tiny stage
    6AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:39
    To all the other performing artists out there: sorry in advance for whatever trouble 'Ise-jurumu' (a mashup nickname for ANGERME built from member Ise's name) is about to cause
    7AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:39
    Wind: Rockin'
    Forest:
    Fire: Ise
    Mountain:
    (riffing on the samurai motto '風林火山' — "Wind, Forest, Fire, Mountain")
    12AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:40
    Re: #7
    S-so mighty… (a cutesy lisped version of "sugoi")
    18AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:42
    Re: #7
    Ticket sales, unmoving as a mountain (echoing the motto's closing line, "unmoving as a mountain")
    8AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:39
    Hassako (member nickname) can't retire until she's played Rock In Japan, right?
    9AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:40
    It's the small stage out back, so it'll probably be fine
    10AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:40
    Give Juice=Juice a Rock In Japan slot too, please
    11AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:40
    A last-minute go-ahead with crazy scenery would make for great visuals, but a typhoon cancellation would be hilarious material too
    13AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:40
    Even if it's canceled, nobody's gonna bother telling ANGERME
    29AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:47
    Re: #13
    'Sawagoro,' huh lol (an obscure in-joke — meaning unclear)
    52AnonymousSep 17, 2026 16:03
    Re: #13
    lmaooooo
    14AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:40
    Kunio (Hello! Project staff) said Juice=Juice would play Summer Sonic, but they never showed
    19AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:43
    ANGERME performing at the level of the Pop Galaxy Fes that Rosy (Chronicle) played would be plenty
    20AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:43
    Juice=Juice dodged bad weather at both Japan Jam and Lucky Fest, huh
    Seriously, you can't make it in showbiz without luck on your side
    I think Hayashi is basically a goddess of fortune
    As long as she's around, they'll be fine
    26AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:46
    Re: #20
    Seriously, pulling that off at a massive outdoor event is impressive
    If there were even one bit of bad news they'd get mocked to death for it, but the gods just won't allow it lmaooooo

    Meanwhile the Ankasu (a derisive nickname for ANGERME's fans) are hated by the gods lmaooo
    21AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:43
    https://fnn.ismcdn.jp/mwimgs/5/a/-/img_5a7fa199522a4a1f1c68f1593477127494067.jpg
    31AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:49
    Re: #21
    If it keeps tracking like this, it's a direct hit on the 21st
    22AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:43
    That's what you get for not booking Morning Musume.!
    23AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:43
    Suzuki Airi already lived through a bad-weather cancellation, so a nail-biting on-schedule show is the only way for ANGERME to bring something truly one-of-a-kind
    25AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:45
    Ugh, Motchi's bangs are gonna get destroyed again
    27AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:46
    It'll probably just curve away and turn out to be nothing, like always
    28AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:46
    But Hirayama and Hanana are already confirmed to be sitting this one out, right?
    41AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:54
    Re: #36
    The Ankasu (ANGERME fans) got that insane scene exposed on Venue101 lmaooo
    42AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:56
    Re: #41
    It was way too much lmaooo
    43AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:57
    The Juice=Juice fans ('Jyuusukasu') are throwing boomerangs again lol
    If this actually goes ahead, you'd better get down and apologize lol
    55AnonymousSep 17, 2026 16:06
    Re: #43
    You clearly don't understand what 'boomerang' means
    45AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:58
    Bet it really stings for the Juice=Juice fans ('Shirukasu') that the Ise show is going ahead, lol
    64AnonymousSep 17, 2026 16:11
    Hello! Project events, Sunday & Monday

    09/20 (Sun) ANGERME Autumn Tour at Osaka
    09/20 (Sun) Juice=Juice Event at Yokohama
    09/20 (Sun) Tsubaki Factory Baseball Event at Hokkaido
    09/20 (Sun) OCHA NORMA Autumn Tour at Sapporo
    09/20 (Sun) Rosy Chronicle Release Event at Makuhari
    09/20 (Sun) M-line (Fukumura, Inaba, Koseki, Asakura, guest Morito) M-Spe at Hiroshima

    09/21 (Mon) Morning Musume.'26 Autumn Tour at Osaka
    09/21 (Mon) ANGERME ROCK IN JAPAN at Soga
    09/21 (Mon) Juice=Juice (Ebata & Endo) Event at Makuhari
    09/21 (Mon) Tsubaki Factory Autumn Tour at Nagoya
    09/21 (Mon) OCHA NORMA Festival at Yamanashi
    09/21 (Mon) Rosy Chronicle Festival at Kanda
    09/21 (Mon) M-line (Tanaka) Live at Kawasaki
    09/21 (Mon) M-line (Asakura) Event at Hyogo
    65AnonymousSep 17, 2026 16:16
    Re: #64
    The Game Show on the 21st might be a no-go too
    Guess even the legendary weather-dodging streak has hit its 'Owari' (the end — a pun on the place name Owari-Ichinomiya)

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    ROCK IN JAPAN FES. is a major annual outdoor rock festival held every September at Hitachi Seaside Park in Ibaraki Prefecture, and in bad weather the organizers have a policy of announcing go/no-go decisions day by day, from the day before through the day of. What was announced this time was only the decision to proceed on the 19th; the 21st, the day ANGERME is scheduled to perform, remains to be decided depending on the typhoon’s path. The thread title’s “maybe canceled” reflects speculation at the time the thread was created, not confirmed information — worth keeping in mind. Within the thread, posters frequently poked fun at each group’s “luck,” citing labelmates Juice=Juice, also part of Hello! Project, having dodged bad weather at past outdoor events. There was also plenty of back-and-forth using fans’ nicknames for each other, and some of what’s said is unverified rumor, so this should be read simply as a snapshot of reactions on 5ch.

    *This article is compiled as excerpts and a summary from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “[Bad News] ANGERME’s Rock In Japan Might Be Canceled wwwwwwwwwww“.

  • Juice=Juice’s Average Height Is “162.1cm” — 5ch: “They’re Just Padding the Numbers”

    A thread appeared on 5ch’s Hello! Project board claiming Juice=Juice members average 162.1cm in height. Figures cited included Danbara Ruru at 164.5cm, Inoue Reon at 163cm, and Kudo Yua at 160.2cm — but since none of this is official, skeptics chimed in with “they’re just padding the numbers” and “it’s probably 1–2cm shorter in reality.” The thread also brought up a CanCam interview in which Ishiyama Sakura said the group’s “height and great proportions give them real stage presence,” underscoring how the tall-lineup strategy has become one of the group’s selling points. Discussion spread into comparisons with Korean idols’ heights and speculation about who’ll graduate next.

    1AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:37
    164.5cm Danbara Ruru
    163cm Inoue Reon
    160.2cm Kudo Yua
    2AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:47
    Adjusted for men that's +13cm, so 175cm.
    Any guy shorter than that basically doesn't get seen as "a man."
    32AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:13
    Re: #2
    Is 174 not good enough? ( ´•ω•` )
    6AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:51
    ANGERME isn't all that different either.
    If anything, once Hashisako — who was dragging the average down — graduates, they'll end up about the same.
    7AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:52
    On CDTV, standing next to FRUITS ZIPPER, Ishiyama looked ridiculously tall.
    Though FRUITS ZIPPER were in sneakers and Ishiyama was in heels, so…
    10AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:56
    Is this actually official data?
    They just had health checkups recently and I've seen a few members post the results on their blogs.
    12AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:58
    Re: #10
    "Juice" (5ch slang for the group, lit. "broth") is just padding the numbers, and by a lot.
    11AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:57
    CanCam Exclusive Interview [Juice=Juice's Ishiyama Sakura & Endo Sakari]
    https://cancam.jp/archives/1759787

    Q. If fans come to a Juice=Juice live show, what should they watch for — in the group as a whole, in you, and in each other?

    Sakura: For the group as a whole, honestly, every part of the performance. It's not just that the singing is good — we've got so many seniors who are insanely good singers, so I just want people to simply enjoy the music. And because everyone's tall with great proportions, there's a real power to it — when all 11 of us line up side by side, the impact is just incredible. I really want people to pay attention to that.




    They're succeeding with the tall-member strategy, so short members aren't getting in anymore
    13AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:58
    Average height of Korean women: 162cm

    K-pop idols run a bit taller, averaging around 164cm
    K-pop groups known for "great proportions" average around 168cm

    If Juice were a K-pop group, they'd be on the smaller side


    Average height of Korean high school freshmen: boys 173cm, girls 161.3cm… obesity rates rising, eyesight declining
    https://www.chosunonline.com/m/svc/article.amp.html?contid=2026050180051




    30AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:12
    Re: #13
    rescene, Melon's #1 on 6/1, averages 160cm, so that's beside the point.
    14AnonymousSep 17, 2026 14:58
    If you can't model, being tall doesn't really mean all that much anyway.
    63AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:39
    Re: #14
    There's basically no upside to being short.
    17AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:00
    CUTIE STREET (nicknamed "Kyuusuto") has its own kind of cute, so it's fine.
    18AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:01
    Age-wise, Danbara and Inoue are probably next to graduate, so the average height will drop.
    If they force in tall replacements, the singing ability will definitely take a hit.

    Juice is actually in a tricky spot right now.
    31AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:12
    Re: #18
    These days, core members mostly graduate around 27.
    Ikuta went all the way to 28, so there's precedent for staying that long.
    Rei and Ruru are still only 25 this year, so they've got three more years in them.
    It's not a tricky spot at all.
    19AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:01
    Wait, it's not even official?
    There's no way Irie's that tall.
    20AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:02
    No way Endo is 168.5.
    She's smaller than that.
    21AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:03
    This kind of thing is Hello! Project fans' wishful-thinking data, so in reality it's probably 1–2cm shorter.
    22AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:03
    Even in a thread like this, the antis get all worked up, huh (lol)
    24AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:07
    If you recruit based on skill, you inevitably end up with more short members.
    If you recruit tall members for their looks, the singing tends to be pretty average.

    Girls who are both tall and great singers are super rare, and there's not much reason for that kind of talent to bother joining Hello! Project anyway.
    42AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:17
    Re: #24
    The first audition since Juice blew up is about to happen.
    If anything, that's when the real talent will start coming in.
    25AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:08
    Because Juice's members are so tall, there were moments at Hello! Project concerts ("Harocon") where the other groups' members looked like background extras.
    27AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:09
    This is Arisawa Ichika.
    I had my company health checkup recently, and
    my height was 155.1cm!!!!
    I grew!!
    https://ameblo.jp/juicejuice-official/entry-12976692771.html

    This is Irie Risa!
    I measured my height for the first time in a year!!
    It went from 157.0cm to 157.7cm
    https://ameblo.jp/juicejuice-official/entry-12976881447.html
    57AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:32
    Re: #27
    Sakurachi < that's just margin of error… lol
    28AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:10
    For K-pop groups known for great proportions, 168cm is just average.
    If Juice were a K-pop group, they'd be a somewhat short one.
    33AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:13
    Re: #28
    Today's #1 and #2 on Melon are both under 160cm.
    29AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:12
    They're not recruiting based on height.
    This whole discussion is pointless.
    34AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:13
    Average age (as of September 2026)

    26.3 =LOVE
    25.9 FRUITS ZIPPER
    25.1 CANDY TUNE
    24.6 Cho Tokimeki Sendenbu
    24.6 SWEET STEADY
    23.8 ≠ME
    23.0 CUTIE STREET
    20.5 Juice=Juice
    40AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:15
    Re: #34
    Average age doesn't matter here.
    For a group with member turnover, what matters is the age of the oldest members.
    Danbara and Inoue are next up to graduate.
    35AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:14
    Because of everyone around them, Eba-Mifu end up looking small by comparison.
    37AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:15
    A little worried there might be a surprise graduation announcement at the venue on tour day one, like what happened with Hashisako — 9/18, Atsugi.
    38AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:15
    But when you consider Nagano is 163cm, it doesn't really seem like that big a deal.
    39AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:15
    Re: #32
    Kudo, Irie, Kawashima, Ebata, Arisawa — those are the ones worth supporting.
    41AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:17
    Still nowhere close to Berryz Koubou though.
    43AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:19
    On Music Letters, Rei-Rei apparently said that "Niina cried her eyes out over not being able to appear on Music Station" and that she'd "keep Juice going until Niina turns 18" — does that mean she's planning to stick around another three years? Guess that's the convenient interpretation, anyway.
    45AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:19
    4th- and 5th-gen K-pop chased looks and nothing else, and that's exactly why male fans stopped showing up and it became unpopular content.
    Juice isn't just about looks — they've got real skill and charm too.
    Of course Juice wins.
    48AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:22
    Graduation ages

    Ikuta Erina — 28
    Ishida Ayumi — 27 years 11 months
    Oda Sakura — 27 years 9 months
    Takase Kurumi — 27 years 3 months
    Fukumura Mizuki — 27 years 1 month

    Current Hello! Project members (by age)

    Oda Sakura — 27 years 6 months (scheduled to graduate)
    Nonaka Miki — 26 years 11 months
    Tanimoto Ami — 26 years 10 months
    Hirai Miyo — 26 years 9 months
    Kobayashi Honoka — 26 years 1 month
    Satoyoshi Utano — 26 years 0 months
    Ono Mizuho — 26 years 0 months
    Danbara Ruru — 25 years 4 months
    Inoue Reon — 25 years 2 months
    50AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:23
    Re: #48
    Guess Ikuta was just the outlier.
    53AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:28
    I get that they're recruiting for looks, but it's come at the cost of weaker high notes.
    The original members' songs are all high-pitched, so they need someone strong in the high register.
    66AnonymousSep 17, 2026 15:43
    Re: #53
    Hayashi and Kawashima are both strong in the high notes though. Kawashima's even good enough to be given high-note parts.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    The height figures cited in the thread aren’t from any official announcement — they appear to be a patchwork of numbers pulled together from individual members’ own blog posts and similar sources. Indeed, members like Arisawa Ichika and Irie Risa have posted their health-checkup heights on their personal Ameba blogs, and it’s likely these scattered bits of information were combined to arrive at the “average of 162.1cm” figure. In recent years, Hello! Project’s push to assemble taller lineups has been a recurring talking point, and this thread was no exception, with posters comparing the numbers to Korean idol groups (whose averages run in the mid-160cm range). At the same time, some pointed out that prioritizing height can come at the expense of vocal ability, so this isn’t really something that can be settled by numbers alone. Worth keeping in mind that this is an unofficial, fan-compiled tally rather than anything official.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “[Breaking] Juice=Juice Members’ Average Height Is “162.1cm” wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.”

  • Kawashima Mifu & Ebata Hisaki’s Two-Shot Photo Racks Up 30,000 Likes — 5ch: “No Wonder, They’re Hello! Project’s Double Ace”

    A two-shot photo posted to Instagram by Hello! Project members Kawashima Mifu and Ebata Hisaki (nicknamed “Ebamifu”) racked up around 30,000 likes. On 5ch, this was called an unusually strong response for Hello! Project, sparking a thread where users compared the number to other groups’ figures — such as ANGERME’s 86,000 likes — and debated why the two are so popular with younger fans. At the same time, some questioned whether the number was really that exceptional, splitting opinion.

    2AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:04
    https://www.instagram.com/p/DcvweDdGm6c/




    4AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:08
    No wonder, they're Hello! Project's double ace
    5AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:08
    Re: #3
    No one asked for your self-intro
    6AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:08
    Classic Ebamifu
    8AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:09
    No wonder this group sells
    11AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:16
    Re: #8
    Exactly this
    ANGERME's blowing up too, topping out at 86,000 likes
    9AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:09
    What's insane about these two is their average. They're picking up new fans at a rate you wouldn't expect from Hello! Project
    12AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:19
    Kawashima has the exact same expression in every photo
    13AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:21
    Can you still see like counts on iPhone?
    17AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:59
    Re: #13
    You can't?
    14AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:44
    Serves the antis right lmaooo (アンカス = slang combining "anti" and "trash," a jab at hostile haters)
    15AnonymousSep 17, 2026 10:47
    Is this really that unusual though?
    18AnonymousSep 17, 2026 11:01
    Re: #15
    Of course it's fake
    Juice Juice fans never tell the truth
    19AnonymousSep 17, 2026 11:02
    Re: #18
    This kind of number's gonna stop being rare from here on out
    20AnonymousSep 17, 2026 11:51
    Even Ebamifu's ordinary posts pull in 10-20k likes — genuinely on another level among current Hello! Project members.
    Even Reirei dips under 10k sometimes.
    Though Reirei posts every single day, so it's not really a fair comparison
    21AnonymousSep 17, 2026 11:57
    My eyes weren't wrong
    Kawashima had ace potential from day one
    23AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:34
    Re: #3
    Tell us who your oshi is
    33AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:38
    Guess everything they post just blows up
    40AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:39
    ANGERME's personal best is only 3,000 likes
    50AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:40
    I always knew Kawashima had ace potential
    57AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:42
    It's the Ebamifu era now
    58AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:50
    They really appeal to younger fans.
    Proof: Milan Olympics bronze medalist Suzuki Ami started following both of them recently and likes their posts a lot
    59AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:55
    Reiruru
    Yafutako
    Ebamifu

    Each pair has its own vibe — this is what original Hello! Project is all about
    60AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:55
    Ichisaku
    What about Sakuringo?
    61AnonymousSep 17, 2026 12:57
    Mifu's got an ANGERME-style face, Eba's got a K-pop-style face, so of course they land with younger kids.
    The ones who like Sakurachi and Reirei's looks are early-Heisei old-timers (ラルム = fan slang for ANGERME; 平成一桁 = born in Heisei years 1-9, i.e. older millennials)

    Background and Points of Debate

    Like counts are used among Hello! Project fans as a rough gauge of popularity, and the thread discussed where “Ebamifu”‘s roughly 30,000 likes stood relative to ANGERME’s 86,000 and the few thousand likes typical of other units. Two main points were debated. First, whether the number really counts as “unusual,” with skeptics offering sarcastic jabs like “Juice Juice fans never tell the truth.” Second, the reasons behind their popularity — some argued Kawashima Mifu has an ANGERME-style look and Ebata Hisaki a K-pop-style look, which appeals to younger fans, while noting tastes vary by generation. It’s worth noting that Instagram like counts aren’t directly tied to CD sales or event turnout, and the comparisons made in the thread reflect fans’ personal impressions rather than officially verified data.

    ※This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “[Ebamifu] Kawashima Mifu-chan and Ebata Hisaki-chan’s two-shot photo pulls in an unusual 30,000 likes on Hello! Project’s Instagram.”

  • Fans say they wanted to see a Morning Musume. with Runo Yokaze, Mifuu Kawashima, and others

    A thread on the Hello! Project board asked the “what if” question: what if Runo Yokaze, Mifuu Kawashima, Hana Goto, and Reina Uemura had joined Morning Musume.? Hello! Project has long split new members not just into Morning Musume. but across multiple groups like Juice=Juice and ANGERME, and the four members discussed here belong to the same generation, nicknamed the “Dekabo” cohort. Opinions in the thread were split — some said “Kawashima at least was essential for Musume,” while others argued “Morning Musume. isn’t the flagship group anymore, Juice=Juice is the center now, so it wouldn’t matter who joined.”

    1AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:25
    How did it come to this
    2AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:28
    I wanted to see a Morning Musume with Ayacho and Yukarin (nicknames for former members Ayaka Wada and Yuu Kikkawa)
    3AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:29
    Just stacking up aces doesn't automatically work, rookie
    4AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:29
    I think Kawashima ending up in Juice=Juice was the right call
    5AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:29
    This take would hold up if Morning were still the flagship
    but now that it's fallen from that spot, meh, whatever
    6AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:29
    Yokaze at least should've gone to Morning
    7AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:30
    They can't enjoy developing rookies anymore
    They just want instant results
    That's what happens when you're no longer the flagship
    There's no breathing room
    8AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:31
    Watching the Dekabo group left me going "hmm…" so maybe it's fine as is
    Still, I think Kawashima alone was necessary
    9AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:32
    Since losing flagship status:
    1. The infighting stopped
    2. They started actually trying on their YouTube comments

    There are upsides too
    15AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:43
    Re: #9
    It's not that the vibe changed because Fukumura, Ikuta, and Makino quit — it changed because Juice=Juice became the top group in Hello! Project and Morning Musume. got demoted to a side group, that's all
    10AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:32
    I wanted the whole Dekabo cohort in Musume
    Goto, Ebata, Yokaze, Okamura, Yonemura, Uemura
    11AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:36
    I get wanting Yokaze, Kawashima, and Goto, but I never really wanted Uemura in Musume.
    I'd have wanted Yonemura in Musume over Uemura
    Though for Uemura, I do think she'd have suited ANGERME or Juice better than Rosy
    12AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:36
    As long as Oda and Fukumura were around, whoever joined was just a backup dancer
    14AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:42
    If Koitara had joined, Getter Haru (nickname for a member named Haru) probably wouldn't have made it into Musume
    16AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:47
    Re: #14
    Rairii too
    17AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:47
    Want Yonemura and Kitahara handling social media, and Saito too for the handsome-guy character
    Also want the '07 generation — Yokaze, Kawashima, Tsutsui, and Matsumoto
    18AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:48
    I want Yokaze to finally transfer to Juice once Reiruru graduates
    19AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:49
    Goto got shoved into a group that didn't suit her and it crushed her
    20AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:52
    Still better than joining Musume and having to sing some goofy novelty song
    21AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:55
    Re: #15
    That's because Sakurai and Yumigeta gave up fighting reality over their pointless pride
    22AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:55
    Re: #16
    I think Sakurai would get in as the talk/MC member
    These other ones can't really MC, can they
    24AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:58
    Re: #22
    A sorry excuse for an MC member
    23AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:57
    There might be plenty of people like this among Morning Musume fans
    but Hello! Project fans in general didn't want this
    31AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:03
    Re: #23
    To begin with, there's basically no one in Hello! Project fandom right now interested in anything besides Juice=Juice
    If there were, tickets would be selling
    26AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:02
    Quit starting these fantasy threads every time and go get a job
    27AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:02
    Well, honestly, out of the Dekabo group Yumigeta is the one a notch below
    Everyone else is ace-caliber
    34AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:04
    It's a shame they skipped bringing in ace-level trainees and are now just padding the numbers with trainees whose popularity is lukewarm at best
    35AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:06
    The value is in the group called Morning Musume. itself
    not necessarily in any particular member
    36AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:07
    Those who never made it into Morning Musume. finish their idol careers without ever seeing the spotlight
    39AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:09
    Re: #36
    That was true once
    These days it's Juice
    42AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:11
    Juice=Juice's name recognition doesn't even compare to Musume's, it's not close
    both at home and abroad
    60AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:40
    Re: #42
    Does being currently active even factor into that name recognition?
    46AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:14
    Juice fans ("shiru-ota") can only puff up their chests shouting on the Wolf board (a notoriously rowdy 5ch idol forum)
    Don't look away from the reality that Morning Musume. is the one people all over the world actually know
    52AnonymousSep 17, 2026 09:29
    Re: #46
    Nobody outside the fandom can name a single current Musume member
    Go ask your mom and see

    Background and Key Points of the Discussion

    Hello! Project has long operated a system in which new members are assigned not only to Morning Musume. but also to other groups such as Juice=Juice, ANGERME, and Rosy Kuroki, with placement decided through auditions and trainee-era assignments. The “Dekabo” cohort mentioned in the thread refers to a set of agemates whose activities were announced together, and includes Hana Goto, Runo Yokaze, Mifuu Kawashima, and Reina Uemura. The debate centered on whether Morning Musume. still deserves to be called the “flagship” group: some argued that since Juice=Juice now leads in popularity and name recognition, “it wouldn’t make much difference who joined at this point,” while others expressed regret over the individual talents of members like Kawashima and Yokaze. Note that comparisons of singing and dancing ability in the thread reflect individual fans’ subjective opinions and shouldn’t be read as an objective assessment.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Many fans wish they’d seen a Morning Musume. with Runo Yokaze, Mifuu Kawashima, Hana Goto, and Reina Uemura.”

  • Are Hello! Project idols’ salaries not actually equal? 5ch: “It’s base pay plus commission”

    A thread that started with the question, “Even though it’s a salary system, do Juice=Juice members and ANGERME members actually get paid the same?” turned into a swirl of speculation about Hello! Project’s pay structure. Posters brought up Tamura’s radio comment that there’s a pay gap between Morning Musume’s 9th/10th generations and S/mileage’s 2nd generation, as well as the story that Nogizaka46 rookies started out on just 50,000 yen a month. The debate centered on whether pay is base salary plus a commission on individual work and merch sales, or whether it’s completely equal across the board. The thread also revisited the old story that Morning Musume’s pay was once rumored to be around 200,000 yen a month, only for the tax disclosure list to later reveal they earned over 40 million yen a year — highlighting just how hard it is to know the real numbers from outside.

    1AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:06
    Is that really okay?
    2AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:07
    It'd be worse if they went full-commission like Yoshimoto (the talent agency notorious for its harsh commission cuts) and someone ended up with a 100-yen paycheck.
    30AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:46
    Re: #2
    That's exactly why incompetent people get to stick around.
    3AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:16
    Tamura said on Yantan (a long-running radio show) that there's a pay gap between Morning Musume's 9th/10th gen and S/mileage's 2nd gen,
    and Michishige also said pay varies within a group depending on how much individual work you get.
    4AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:18
    No way that's true.
    It's base pay plus commission.
    5AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:19
    So there's an income gap between joining Tsubaki Factory and joining Juice=Juice…
    6AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:20
    Former Nogizaka46 member Mai Shinuchi once revealed on a TV show that her starting pay as an idol was "about 50,000 yen." Current members have also talked about struggling to get by on an amount "so low you'd all call it a lie," making the extremely low pay of the early days a hot topic.

    Nogizaka's base pay is 50,000 yen
    20AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:39
    Re: #6
    Someone mentioned that outside gigs can massively bump up your bonus.
    7AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:23
    Way back, industry insiders on Ookami (2channel's idol gossip board) said Morning Musume's pay was around 200,000 yen a month,
    but then the tax disclosure list came out showing they made over 40 million yen a year, and otaku were floored.
    10AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:26
    Re: #7
    Ichii said on TV her pay was "80,000 yen," but that's just because she quit before it ever went up.
    You can tell from how much her juniors Tsuji and Kago were pulling in.
    Even with Kamei, Sanma (the comedian) told her, "You guys are getting paid too much!"
    8AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:24
    That 50,000 yen is basically all pocket money, right?
    The agency covers dorm fees, utilities, and food, and after about six months you also start getting a cut of your personal goods sales on top of that.
    9AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:25
    It varies person to person, but Juice=Juice's average annual income is probably around 20 million yen.
    ROSY is more like 3 million yen a year.
    11AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:27
    Michishige said photobook fees are pretty fat.
    12AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:27
    They make enough to treat their juniors to meals, at least.
    13AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:30
    Nogizaka's top earners pull in 50 million yen.
    Apparently commercials and photobooks are what really pay off.
    14AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:33
    This is the talk of people who think sales equal salary.
    15AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:37
    Compared to a regular college student they're actually working and probably comfortable, but if they're living it up spending tens of thousands of yen on clothes and beauty all the time just to keep up appearances, they'd need money from their parents to pull that off.
    16AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:37
    There are Hello Project members with basically zero fans, though.
    Groups like ROSY or the newer lineups are at a disadvantage for drawing crowds, so I guess that's unavoidable.
    17AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:37
    It's diluted now with 70 members, but
    back when Hello Project had way fewer people, dividing the total fanbase by headcount meant each member had a pretty solid number of fans.
    18AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:38
    Even with 70 members, I doubt even half of them have 100 fans each.
    The unpopular ones might not even have 10.
    19AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:38
    There's a huge gap in sales at handshake/meet-and-greet events,
    so the appearance fees for those probably vary a lot too.
    For group activity fees it's probably seniority-based pay plus a commission on merch sales.
    21AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:41
    Sato sold so much merch she ended up buying what's basically a mansion in Tokyo lol
    22AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:41
    This agency doesn't actually pay badly.
    If you get popular they pay you a ton, and even if you don't, you still get a decent amount,
    which is why people called it the "Platinum Era" and joked about "civil servant idols."
    23AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:42
    Say what you want about this crappy agency, but it does pay members properly when they bring in sales.
    24AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:42
    It's honestly kind of impressive that out of 70 members, not a single one has a part-time job.
    31AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:46
    Re: #24
    I get the feeling Up-Front (the management company) probably just bans part-time jobs outright.
    25AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:43
    I wonder if a group like ROSY is even profitable overall.
    Well, the merch is probably making money at least.
    26AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:44
    Same with Johnny's — the pay alone is good there too.
    At places like Horipro or Watanabe Production it's brutal if you don't make it big.
    46AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:52
    Re: #26
    That's why even if you can't debut by your late 20s,
    you end up unable to quit.
    35AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:48
    Wasn't it Niinuma who said she runs straight to the bank on payday?
    36AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:48
    Feels like base pay is around 2-4 million yen plus commission.
    Ise's probably around 8 million, and the lowest-paid in Juice=Juice around 5 million?
    44AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:52
    Re: #36
    How do you even get numbers like that when they don't match her actual sales?
    What commission would Ise even be getting? If anything, expenses probably outweigh it and she's running a loss.
    54AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:56
    Sha Ran Q (the band) said that when they nervously joined the agency, they asked, "We're all university graduates, so could we at least get the average starting salary for a college grad? Is that not possible?" and were laughed at and told, "Sure, we can give you that much," and that's how they signed with Up-Front.

    At other talent agencies, rookies often get paid something like 50,000 or 30,000 yen a month until they actually make it.
    55AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:59
    Re: #54
    Didn't Sha Ran Q have gigs like a comedy band doing promotional appearances?
    I heard they did song parodies and stuff at those events.
    56AnonymousSep 17, 2026 07:59
    Juice=Juice's merch sales must have exploded,
    so once the commission checks come in, everyone's probably grinning ear to ear.
    57AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:00
    Re: #56
    Well yeah, that'd cure any illness.
    71AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:08
    Juice=Juice's ticket sales,
    and especially the merch sold at venues, must add up to serious money,
    but with a gap that big, Ebata and Runo probably can't stay friends anymore…
    73AnonymousSep 17, 2026 08:09
    Re: #71
    That's already happened…

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    The salary figures thrown around in this thread are almost entirely speculation drawn from members’ own comments on talk shows and rumors dating back to the old 2channel days — there’s no case of an agency ever officially announcing actual numbers. The “Chōja Banzuke” (the public high-income taxpayer disclosure list) was abolished in 2005 following revisions to Japan’s personal information protection law, so the anecdote about Morning Musume’s income turning out to be over 40 million yen a year dates from before that abolition. Talent agency pay structures are generally said to combine a base salary with commissions from individual work and merchandise sales, and it’s not unusual for members within the same group to see differences based on workload and years of experience. Where the thread split was over whether pay is completely equal across the board or varies by individual, and voices favoring a base-plus-commission system won out, citing members’ own on-air comments as evidence. It’s worth keeping in mind that the specific figures thrown around remain pure speculation.

    *This article excerpts and summarizes the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Even though it’s a salary system, do Juice=Juice members and ANGERME members actually get paid the same?“

  • Juice=Juice’s Reon Inoue Tapped as earth music&ecology Model — 5ch: ‘A Total It Girl Now’

    It was reported on 5ch’s Hello! Project board that Juice=Juice’s Reon Inoue has been cast as the 2026–2027 autumn/winter season model for the fashion brand “earth music&ecology.” The brand is known for having previously featured Aoi Miyazaki, Suzu Hirose, and Kyoka Suzuki as models, and its mook (photo-book) covers have been graced by Ai Takahashi and Mei Jokoryo in the past. Thread posters cheered her on with comments like “a total it girl now,” while talk also buzzed around her Instagram follower count and the group’s rising profile.

    1AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:01
    Juice=Juice's Reon Inoue Becomes earth music&ecology's Season Model — A Dream Come True Since Her Debut
    3AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:01
    Juice=Juice's Reon Inoue has been cast as the 2026–2027 autumn/winter season model for the fashion brand earth music&ecology.
    6AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:03
    One eraser the size of the Himalayas (a random non-sequitur post, as often turns up in 5ch threads)
    7AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:03
    Whoa, earth [music&ecology] is way too legit for this, lol
    10AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:05
    That's our Rei-Rei for you (a play on her nickname and "as expected")
    13AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:05
    A total it girl now
    17AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:06
    Feels like someone did this before, way back when
    26AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:07
    Back in the day it was Aoi Miyazaki who did it
    27AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:07
    ChatGPT

    As far as I could find, there isn't enough info from official/primary sources right now to put together a clear list of female idols who've officially held the title of "earth music&ecology season model."
    31AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:08
    I think of Aoi Miyazaki for this one too
    36AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:08
    She's not graduating anytime soon after this
    52AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:10
    Not sure about now, but back in the day this brand had a real "dowdy girl" image — total opposite of Inoue
    60AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:11
    The group's profile goes up, individual work follows —
    that's what a genuinely popular idol looks like
    62AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:11
    Members are starting to get noticed on their own now too
    63AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:11
    Give Angerme some modeling work too, please!
    81AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:13
    Re: #63
    If it's Shimamura, maybe you've got a shot if you get down on your knees and beg (a budget clothing chain, tossed in as a joke contrast)
    70AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:12
    Back in 2020, huh —

    "This is Mei Jokoryo 🌼 I got to do the cover of the 'earth music&ecology' photo-book!" 😌
    74AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:12
    Aoi Miyazaki, Suzu Hirose, and Kyoka Suzuki have all done it before, right?
    78AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:13
    Zukki, seriously?! (nickname for a fellow Hello! Project member)
    88AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:14
    There's a real gap in status between a mook cover model and an actual brand model, isn't there?
    112AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:16
    Spending over ¥8,800 just to get the photobook
    113AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:16
    Is this the kind of store a middle-aged guy can walk into without it being weird?
    134AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:18
    The number of deleted posts equals the number of tears —
    and there's plenty more crying to come
    149AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:20
    That's an Atsuhime-level meteoric rise (referencing the historical drama heroine who rose from commoner to shogun's wife)
    150AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:20
    That's literally the store in my local station building
    153AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:20
    Frustration: MAXED OUT

    And I'm not done making you frustrated yet —
    stay tuned
    208AnonymousSep 16, 2026 12:25
    Female idols who've done earth music&ecology mook covers → Ai Takahashi, Mei Jokoryo
    Female idols who've been earth music&ecology season models → Reon Inoue, and only Reon Inoue

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    earth music&ecology is a major apparel brand that has previously featured Aoi Miyazaki, Suzu Hirose, and Kyoka Suzuki, and the thread showed some noticeable mixing-up of “mook cover model” and “season model.” The former refers to a one-off feature that Ai Takahashi and Mei Jokoryo took part in, while the latter is described as a seasonal endorsement deal — the two are different roles. Some posts in the thread tried using ChatGPT to verify official information, but no confirmation turned up in primary sources, so it’s worth noting the details of this casting remain limited to reports circulating on 5ch. The thread also touched on the broader trend of Hello! Project members picking up more individual corporate endorsements as their groups’ profiles rise.

    *This article has been excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Juice=Juice’s Reon Inoue Becomes earth music&ecology’s Season Model — A Dream Come True Since Her Debut.”

  • Country Girls gathered cute members but still couldn’t break through — 5ch: ‘They were just ahead of their time’

    A thread on the Hello! Project board looks back at why the Hello! Project unit Country Girls never quite caught on. Country Girls relaunched in November 2014 after being renamed from Country Musume, and went on hiatus in December 2019. In the thread, some point to the music and management side — “they were just ahead of their time,” “that weird rockabilly sound scared off the wota (hardcore fans),” “the agency’s events felt phoned-in” — while others question the member lineup itself, arguing “you didn’t need to gather only cute members — having a mix of different types would’ve been better.”

    1AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:35
    They might have broken through if they'd debuted now
    4AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:36
    On November 5, 2014, Country Musume relaunched under the new name Country Girls, the rename meant to reflect a hope that they'd "grow into a group that could hold their own on the world stage."

    They went on hiatus as of December 26, 2019.

    Members
    Yamaki Risa
    Morito Chisaki
    Koseki Mai
    Funaki Yui

    Former members
    Tsugunaga Momoko
    Inaba Manaka
    Shimamura Uta
    Yanagawa Nanami
    5AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:36
    It's not just about being cute
    a mix of different types would've been better
    6AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:37
    They really had a great lineup though
    Such a shame
    7AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:38
    Why do you think 'kyururin' is popular with young people these days?
    8AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:39
    Because they never got to frolic with Mr. Cow and Mr. Pig
    12AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:41
    Re: #1
    Bad fit for Hello! Project
    Hello! Project only cares about skill
    17AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:45
    Serious answer: they were just ahead of their time
    the world hadn't caught up yet
    18AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:46
    It had this overly manufactured feel, boxed in by a rigid concept
    20AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:48
    Tsugunaga wasn't needed
    that's really all there is to it
    49AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:19
    Re: #20
    Seriously, that's really all there is to it
    58AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:28
    Re: #20
    Kind of like how ROSY has Oda?
    29AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:55
    It's the songs, honestly
    that weird rockabilly direction turned the wota off
    and ROSY doing gothic lolita now is making the same mistake
    30AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:56
    The 7-kan (a fan nickname for a specific event) was amazing
    I still haven't forgotten it
    33AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:57
    If you or I had been team manager or producer
    they'd have easily been filling Budokan every year with no graduations

    because all it would've taken was just doing things the normal way
    45AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:11
    Re: #33
    that's the thing — this agency can't even manage 'normal'
    35AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:58
    This is a job, a business
    you can't run it like a hobby
    that's all there is to it
    38AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:00
    Not that I even like them, but if it had been Anju from the start…
    I think after Ma-ya and Karin-chan graduated, Funaki's fans wouldn't shut up about her being Hello Project's ace! Ace!
    39AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:01
    In the end, Inaba was the only one who was truly serious about it
    40AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:01
    Guess it just didn't fit the 'Cool Hello' (lol) branding
    seriously, what a dumb agency
    41AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:02
    It's just not a company culture where you're allowed to get serious, huh
    50AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:20
    Satoda said she wanted them to carry on the Country Musume name, but
    they just up and changed it out of nowhere anyway
    53AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:22
    Honestly, the shows without Momochi were the most fun
    54AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:24
    Losing Yanamin and Funakki was huge
    55AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:24
    When I watched their early release events before Momochi joined, I remember thinking they seemed like a fresh, hard-working group
    56AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:24
    That 'pan-pan-pa-pa-pan' clapping bit they made grown men and old grandpas do was a scene straight out of hell. They actually use that kind of thing in day-care centers as a dementia-prevention game. (Kawa Lab and others picked up on it too, having grubby old men clap along — the seeds Country Girls planted are blooming into flowers for other agencies' idols.)
    57AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:25
    They were the last idol group Hello! Project ever produced

    Background and key points of the discussion

    Country Girls was a Hello! Project unit that relaunched in November 2014 after being renamed from Country Musume, then went on hiatus in December 2019. Opinion in the thread split over the reason for their lukewarm popularity: some blamed the music and management side (event direction, promotion), while others argued the problem was the “cute-first” member selection and the group concept itself — no single explanation won out. A misconception the thread pushes back on is the assumption that “gathering only cute members should guarantee popularity”; as the discussion shows, an idol group’s popularity hinges on a mix of factors including musical direction, promotion, and debut timing. The fact that the group’s direction kept shifting over its roughly five years of activity is also seen as part of why opinions remain divided.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “I don’t get why Country Girls, who gathered only cute members, never really took off.”

  • Ebata Misaki Was Core-Member Material From Day One — 5ch: ‘They Said Her Group Would Take Over’

    A thread on 5ch’s Hello! Project board asked whether anyone had predicted, back when idol group Juice=Juice’s Ebata Misaki first joined, that she’d become the central member she is today. Posters recalled praise for her looks going back to her trainee days, and some claimed that at the scouting stage people were already saying “if we land this girl, this group will dominate.” Others pushed back, arguing that with senior members like Danbara Yamato and Inoue Haruka commanding so much presence, it’s a stretch to call her a true central member — leaving opinion split.

    1AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:10
    I thought she was cute back in her trainee days and right when she joined Juice, but what exactly did the people who called it from the start see in Eba back then?
    2AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:11
    She was pretty good at handling MC duties even from early on after joining, though.
    3AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:12
    At least visually, she's got to be the number one beauty of that generation.
    5AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:13
    Eba's the only one who ever gets a thread made about her.
    13AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:18
    With Danbara and Inoue being so strong, she doesn't really give off "central member" vibes.
    18AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:24
    Re: #13
    She won't graduate at 25, so she's blocking her juniors' chances to shine.
    Time to step aside already.
    14AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:20
    A second coming of the Ichii Sayaka-style rags-to-riches story.
    16AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:24
    Eba's real strength has got to be media appearances.
    17AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:24
    Her batch-mates were so underwhelming that it basically became "well, it's just Eba then."
    19AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:24
    A tier below "Rito Kame" (likely a nickname for another idol or group — exact reference unclear).
    20AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:25
    Vocal cover video views:

    Fukuda Marin: 1,061,404
    Kasai Yuina: 659,376
    Yokaze Runo: 537,629
    Yagi Shiori: 483,402
    Ebata Misaki: 398,980
    Arisawa Ichika: 244,543
    Irie Risa: 233,857
    21AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:25
    People were saying back then that whichever group landed Eba would become the dominant one.
    23AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:27
    It also helps that they've got the "Ebamifu" pairing (a fan-shipped duo nickname combining Eba and Mifu) working as a selling point.
    24AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:27
    Tabata Shintaro: "Eba-chan gets the best of both worlds — she pulls in the girls' votes while still pulling in the guys' votes too."
    25AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:30
    Kawashima's same-age peers at other groups — like Yokaze and Tsutsui — are the vocal centers of their groups, but Kawashima still isn't the main vocalist.
    26AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:31
    That's because there are people ahead of her in line.
    27AnonymousSep 16, 2026 23:38
    Having a young member as your core is basically another way of saying your group's depth is thin, though.
    34AnonymousSep 17, 2026 01:28
    Re: #1
    Star power.
    Go check out Tsunku's actual assessment notes on note (the blogging platform) —
    he had Eba figured out properly from the start.

    Background and Talking Points

    The vocal-cover-video view counts cited in the thread (Fukuda Marin topping 1 million versus roughly 400,000 for Ebata Misaki) suggest Ebata isn’t actually the group’s top draw in terms of pure numbers — even as her visual appeal and media presence have been rated highly and consistently since she joined. Posts claiming that scouts said “landing this girl means becoming a dominant group” serve as evidence that some people foresaw her later rise even back then. At the same time, pushback citing the strong presence of senior members like Danbara Yamato and Inoue Haruka argues she isn’t quite a “central member” yet — and at the root of the thread’s disagreement is the fact that fans don’t share a common yardstick (draw power, exposure, or star quality) for what “central member” even means.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Did anyone actually predict back when she joined that Ebata Misaki-chan would become this much of a central member of Juice=Juice?“

  • Yua Kudo Dubbed ‘Hello! Project’s Most Beautiful Woman’ as 5ch Photo Thread Blows Up

    A thread went up on 5ch’s Hello! Project board featuring photos of Yua Kudo (nicknamed “Tako-chan”), sparking a wave of praise like “She’s really come into her own” and “Yume, let’s get married” (Yume being an affectionate nickname for her). While plenty of posters chimed in with “she’s so cute,” opinions differed on just how far her popularity has spread to a newer generation of fans. Between the nicknames and the reactions to her photos, the thread showed just how strong Kudo’s presence is on the Hello! Project board.

    1AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:22
    She's really come into her own
    ps://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSVITrAasAAE88p.jpg:orig#.jpg
    4AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:24
    Has she now?
    5AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:25
    She's a different case from Arisawa.
    6AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:25
    Yume, let's get married
    7AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:26
    Tako tako, kissy kissy~ (playing on her "Tako" nickname and the sound of a kiss)
    21AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:32
    I bet she really strikes a chord with the right people.
    28AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:34
    Tako-chan is so cute
    44AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:54
    Cutie-cutie Tako-chan — "Kyawatako" for short (a cutesy nickname mashup)
    45AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:54
    SO CUTEEEEEEEE
    46AnonymousSep 16, 2026 21:56
    Tako-chan is super popular with young girls too.
    51AnonymousSep 16, 2026 22:04
    I wish I'd been born that cute.
    56AnonymousSep 16, 2026 22:50
    Kudo's got that "jack of all trades, master of none" vibe — maybe that's why she isn't picking up new fans?

    Background and Talking Points

    Yua Kudo is a Hello! Project member who regularly comes up for discussion on 5ch’s Hello! Project board, where she’s affectionately known by the nickname “Tako-chan.” This thread drew a flood of praise sparked by her photos, though some posters argued she isn’t gaining traction with newer fans — pointing to a gap in how her appeal has spread between longtime fans and a newer audience. Note that the original thread also contained posts mocking her appearance and remarks amounting to abuse aimed at specific posters; those have been excluded from this article.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Yua Kudo Has Become the Most Beautiful Woman in Hello! Project Right Now!!“

  • “There’s Nowhere Left to Properly Discuss Hello! Project” — Fans Search for a New Home

    A thread appeared on 5ch’s Hello! Project board asking “where can you actually have a proper discussion about Hello! Project these days?” The original poster complained that X (formerly Twitter) has devolved into one-upmanship contests where real conversation can’t happen, and that regular 5ch threads are just as prone to getting derailed by slander and rivalry-baiting. In response, posters traded a range of opinions on fighting off trolls and finding a new home: some said threads with IP addresses displayed tend to allow more civil discussion, others called for setting up a dedicated Hello! Project server on Mastodon or Misskey, floated LINE Open Chats, or suggested migrating to an outside forum altogether.

    1AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:28
    Where are we even supposed to go?
    4AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:29
    Just get to know the small percentage of sane fans at actual events and go drinking with them.
    7AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:32
    Can we keep this online please — I live out in the sticks, I can barely make it to events.
    8AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:32
    X is hopeless, it's all one-upmanship contests, no real conversation ever happens.
    11AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:34
    Not sure what you even want to talk about, but why not just start posting and see what happens?
    12AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:35
    Just talk to people at events.
    Hardcore-fan density (low to high):

    Release events
    Concerts
    Individual meet-and-greets
    Fan club events
    16AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:39
    Re: #6
    Even when people are having a decent conversation, some guy shows up trying to one-up everyone and the thread's trashed instantly.
    30AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:12
    Re: #16
    Never seen anyone like that lol
    17AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:41
    Yahoo message boards, the ASA board, GM… go there.
    Oh wait, they're all gone now.
    18AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:43
    I just want to talk about the songs and the members, but every time a thread like this goes up, someone shows up to drag it into slander and rivalry-baiting. It's tiring.
    19AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:43
    Re: #1
    Only fix is to add the word "Juice" to your NG (mute) filter (i.e., block out Juice=Juice discussion since it's what sets off the group-rivalry flame wars).
    20AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:46
    Wish there were more people over on "Sheep" (nickname for a related 5ch idol-fan board), but being stuck on a dead board is rough.
    21AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:46
    It's definitely not "Wolf" (another 5ch idol-fan board nickname). Honestly your best bet is following people you trust on X and locking your account.
    22AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:49
    If Re: #1 is being dead serious about this:
    Re: #14's suggestion actually lets you have a pretty decent conversation.
    You'll still get 1-2 idiots showing up,
    but in the regular topics only about 2-3 out of 50 posters are worth talking to,
    so IP-display topics are way better by comparison.
    That said, if you can't even tolerate the 1-2 idiots in an IP topic,
    then Re: #21 is really your only option left.
    23AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:51
    If you hate X that much, guess all that's left is bouncing ideas off an AI lol
    26AnonymousSep 16, 2026 16:59
    Why keep making new threads when just turning on IP display would fix it? Oh right — because you actually want to keep slandering people lol
    37AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:17
    There's already a weirdo in here.
    Next time I'll make the thread with IP + Wacchoi (an ID tag derived from network info) turned on.
    41AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:22
    Re: #37
    Like you'd ever actually make one lol
    45AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:26
    I say this every time one of these threads pops up, but if you're a multi-group stan who's also anti-Juice=Juice, you genuinely can't discuss a single thing properly here.
    46AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:29
    Re: #45
    There aren't even any anti-Juice=Juice multi-stans on "Wolf" to begin with.
    82AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:06
    Re: #45
    I feel that. I'm a DD (a fan who loves multiple groups/members equally) leaning anti-Juice=Juice, and things blow up so fast I lose all motivation to even share an opinion.
    50AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:39
    Up until a few years ago, late-night Hello! Project threads used to pop up a lot on NanJ/NanG (baseball/general-discussion boards), and you could actually have a real conversation there.
    Lately they've pretty much stopped showing up though.
    62AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:55
    Re: #50
    Pretty sure they even ran live-watch threads for concerts late at night.
    61AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:55
    Never checked it out myself, but I peeked at a LINE Open Chat and there were a decent number of people in it — might be worth joining.
    66AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:56
    Re: #61
    It's just one single chat thread, so it's not great for juggling different topics.
    I want to be able to start separate threads or dig into a specific topic.
    Guess moving over to a Talk room (LINE group chat) would work though.
    64AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:56
    Shouldn't Wacchoi and ID display just be made the default at this point, seriously?
    The trolling is brutal every single day.

    Anyone who objects to that is probably a troll or a slanderer themselves.
    69AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:57
    Re: #64
    The board admin hasn't been doing anything.
    Hasn't for a long time now.
    70AnonymousSep 16, 2026 17:59
    Re: #64
    Yeah. Let's all just migrate to some other board together.
    71AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:01
    This is probably exactly how the Sakamichi (Nogizaka/Sakurazaka/Hinatazaka) fans ended up migrating to Talk rooms.
    78AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:04
    Re: #71
    Probably the right call.
    72AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:02
    Would be great if some rich, IT-savvy person out there set up a dedicated Hello! Project server on Mastodon or Misskey.
    74AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:03
    Re: #72
    Whoever ran it would have to actually handle deletions and bans properly, which sounds exhausting.
    They'd probably be on the hook for policing any criminal posts too.
    It's rare to find a lawless free-for-all like this place anywhere else.
    76AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:04
    At the end of the day it all comes down to:
    "I'll say whatever I want,
    but the rest of you better not say anything that upsets me."
    So really, just go do whatever you want wherever you want.
    79AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:05
    Re: #76
    You say "at the end of the day" but that's not summing anything up at all.
    You're completely ignoring the actual point about doing something about the unhinged trolls.
    81AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:06
    Re: #78
    Even "Oyaki" (nickname for a notorious poster) nearly had to migrate once when this place got unusable, but he got reported to the admin, banned, and just came crawling back.
    I mean, on a normal forum a nutjob like that would just get banned.
    86AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:08
    Re: #81
    Once that guy was gone, the normal posters should've moved over there even more than they did.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    5ch has features like an “ID” display that identifies individual posters and “Wacchoi,” an identifier derived from IP address, though whether a given board adopts them varies. The “IP display” setup that several posters in the thread were calling for is meant to thin out anonymity, making it easier to pin down trolls and posters engaging in slander, and thereby keep the quality of discussion up. There’s also an underlying factor at play: since Hello! Project is made up of many different groups, fans of one group turning hostile toward other groups — or their fans — tends to be a major source of thread derailment. The broader shift away from open, anonymous message boards toward LINE Open Chats, invite-only social platforms, or dedicated private servers isn’t unique to Hello! Project — it’s a trend that’s been widely observed across idol fandoms in recent years, and this thread can be seen as part of that same movement.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “[Urgent Request] A Place to Properly Discuss Hello! Project.”