Author: Japan Reacts Editorial

  • Formaldehyde Found in Chinese Napa Cabbage After Video Goes Viral — What Does It Mean for Japan?

    A video showing Chinese napa cabbage being “chemically treated” with formaldehyde has gone viral, prompting Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare to say it is “still checking” whether the produce has entered Japan’s supply chain. On 5ch, posters worried about routes into children’s mouths, like school lunches, while others pointed to everyday Chinese-made foods — frozen gyoza, processed eel products — raising questions about how big the risk really is.

    “Formaldehyde” Found in Chinese Napa Cabbage After “Chemical-Soaked” Video Spreads Online — Fallout Reaches South Korean Kimchi Too — What Does It Mean for Japan? Health Ministry Says “Still Checking”

    Napa cabbage — a staple in hot pots, kimchi, and everyday cooking — is one of the most familiar vegetables on the dinner table.

    On the 25th, in China, the world’s largest producer of the vegetable, a news crew witnessed cabbage being pulled from store shelves and thrown out.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:37
    Eating Chinese-made food is on you at this point — pay extra for domestic if you're worried.
    25AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:38
    Re: #18
    True for home cooking, but school lunches could be feeding this to kids without them having any say in it.
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:38
    It's a leaf vegetable. Get your reporters out there, News Station! (a major TV Asahi evening news program)
    37AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:41
    Re: #23
    Who needs to go report when they've got plenty of "experts" sitting right there in-house?
    161AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:02
    Re: #23
    When it hits close to home they'll just wheel out a commentator, gloss over it, and call it done.
    52AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:43
    They don't even sell Chinese napa cabbage here, do they? And I don't eat processed cabbage products anyway.
    63AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:45
    Re: #52
    Pretty sure frozen gyoza made with Chinese napa cabbage is on shelves everywhere.
    64AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:45
    Meanwhile, Chinese state media is out here patting itself on the back:
    "Meanwhile, China has for many years been gradually building a relatively rigorous end-to-end food safety and traceability system, including multiple stages such as soil testing, pesticide residue testing, finished-product inspection, and customs inspection."
    Self-praise much.
    86AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:48
    Re: #64
    Note the word "gradually." At least they're not telling a bald-faced lie — I guess that counts as progress lol
    67AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:45
    China is genuinely terrifying. A worker at a Chinese seafood market was filmed brushing fish with a mixture of red koji dye (a cochineal-based red dye) and formaldehyde before shipping them out. The treatment is meant to make old fish look bright and fresh.
    https://x.com/BlueHawk1378/status/2058535219771424853
    117AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:53
    Re: #67
    The worker's getting exposed just from breathing the fumes.
    92AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:49
    Feels like cancer rates have been climbing, doesn't it.
    102AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:51
    Re: #92
    Chinese napa cabbage barely circulates in Japan — never even heard of it being sold here — so if that's your worry, it's gotta be something else.
    160AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:02
    Re: #102
    Frozen food, restaurants, retort pouches… like that Nagatanien miso soup that's been in the news lately.
    100AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:51
    Why is that country like this?
    107AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:52
    Re: #100
    It's not just China with the formaldehyde thing — Southeast Asia does the same. It's been standard practice there forever.
    114AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:53
    Re: #100
    Their whole value system boils down to "does it make money or not." So they'll do something shady if it turns a profit — and sometimes they don't even register it as wrong in the first place.
    105AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:51
    Top 10 Chinese-Made Food Products:
    ① Frozen vegetables
    ② Onions
    ③ Green onions
    ④ Carrots
    ⑤ Wood ear mushrooms
    ⑥ Boiled bamboo shoots
    ⑦ Garlic
    ⑧ Eel
    ⑨ Frozen shrimp
    ⑩ Frozen gyoza / Chinese-style side dishes

    Of all eel sold in Japan, about 89% is Chinese-made (2023). For processed products like kabayaki (grilled eel), a staggering ~99.6% is Chinese-made (2023).
    Basically we're talking 90-100% Chinese-sourced across the board 😂
    https://x.com/Ondoreahoka/status/2090356465060188503
    131AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:56
    Re: #105

    Even people in China were speechless, saying "this is industrial-grade stuff." The horrifying "formalin eel."
    https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/5204

    lol
    116AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:53
    I don't care if it costs more, let's grow our own vegetables here in Japan.
    166AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:03
    Re: #116
    People won't buy it though.

    Japan lost on price. "Cheap and a good deal" — meanwhile there's rice even Chinese consumers won't touch.
    120AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:54
    Hasn't this been said for over 20 years already? That's exactly why vegetable-washing appliances are so popular in China.
    125AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:55
    Re: #120
    Same reason detergent was a big trend in Japan back in the day lol
    123AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:54
    Even people back in China are furious, and the CCP itself is treating it as a scandal ("this shall not be forgiven, aru" lol — a jab at a stereotyped broken-Japanese speech pattern often mockingly attributed to Chinese speakers), so this must be pretty bad lol. Probably game over if you actually ate it lol
    136AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:56
    Re: #123
    For what it's worth, studies haven't confirmed a link between low-dose formaldehyde and cancer. If you only ate it occasionally you're probably fine. Eating it every day, though… who knows lol
    142AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:58
    I saw in the news recently that colorectal cancer risk factors are apparently rising in people under 40 or so — wonder if this is related.
    156AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:01
    Re: #142
    No way that's related lol
    171AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:05
    Re: #142
    Not eating enough vegetables and eating too much meat is definitely a bigger factor.
    185AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:09
    Flies swarm around the meat buns and spring rolls processed in Chinese factories, so you could end up eating flies without even knowing it. Once they get mixed into ground meat, they're especially hard to spot.
    https://x.com/kuniyoshi_shino/status/2038787482456895577
    217AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:17
    Re: #185
    Flies rolled up in the spring rolls is bad enough, but the filling itself already looks like some unidentifiable paste.
    186AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:09
    Might be unrelated to this particular story, but I often notice a weird bitterness in Chinese food.
    192AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:11
    Re: #186
    For one thing, the vegetable varieties are different from Japan's. Japanese vegetables are bred to be really sweet. You might just be perceiving the lack of sweetness as bitterness.
    225AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:19
    Re: #186
    Even cucumbers have that harsh bitterness if you don't draw it out first. Same with potatoes and eggplant — that's why you soak them in water.

    Background and Key Points

    Formaldehyde is not a novel toxin here — it’s a colorless preservative/disinfectant banned as a food additive under Japan’s Food Sanitation Act precisely because of this kind of misuse: applying it to fish or vegetables to mask spoilage and extend shelf life for the trip from farm to market. Japan’s own quarantine system does not inspect 100% of imported produce; it relies on spot sampling, which is why the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare’s response was a noncommittal “still checking” rather than a clearance or a recall. That caution also reflects institutional memory — Chinese food-safety scares (melamine-tainted milk in 2008, gutter oil, and now this) have repeatedly turned out worse than initial official statements suggested, so a “checking” label from Tokyo reads to many Japanese consumers as “assume the worst until proven otherwise” rather than “nothing to see here.”

    The thread’s actual fault line wasn’t over whether formaldehyde is dangerous — almost no one defended the practice — but over how much individual choice consumers really have. One camp treated it as a simple market decision (pay more, buy domestic, problem solved), while others pointed out that school lunches and processed staples like frozen gyoza or kabayaki eel leave no such opt-out, especially for children who can’t choose their own food.

    What the thread never addressed is that formaldehyde also occurs naturally at trace levels in many everyday foods — pears, shiitake mushrooms, smoked fish — and even in the human body as a metabolic byproduct. The real distinction, which the posts collapse together, is between negligible natural background levels and the concentrated industrial-grade application shown in the viral video, which is a food-safety violation regardless of dose.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “Formaldehyde Found in Chinese Napa Cabbage After ‘Chemical-Soaked’ Video Spreads Online — What Does It Mean for Japan? Health Ministry Says ‘Still Checking’.”

  • Kiritani, Worth ¥700 Million, Responds to Calls to “Ditch the Coupons and Eat What You Like”

    Kiritani Hiroto (76), known for living off shareholder perks, posted on X that he went to Matsuya with his sister and ate using a shareholder benefit coupon. His response to comments saying “why not stop being so stingy and just eat what you like” became a hot topic on the thread, with commenters split over how to read his ¥700 million net worth and his choice to keep living the “perks lifestyle.”

    “¥700 Million in Assets” Kiritani Gives a Real Answer to “Wouldn’t It Be Better to Stop Using Coupons and Eat What You Like?”

    Shogi player-turned-investor Kiritani Hiroto (76), who has openly stated his total assets are ¥700 million, updated his official X (formerly Twitter) account by the 25th. He responded to comments asking, “Wouldn’t it be better to give up the perks lifestyle and eat what you like?”

    Kiritani wrote, “Yesterday at noon, my sister came all the way from Kure City, so I biked over to Matsuya to get lunch (my first meal of the day). I was thrown off because the ordering system had changed (you now order via QR code), but I managed to place my order somehow,” reporting that he used Matsuya Foods’ “shareholder meal benefit coupon.”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:28
    Good to see he's recovered enough to bike over to Matsuya.
    3AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:31
    Wait, Matsuya changed how you order? Isn't it still that garbage ticket machine?
    14AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:43
    Re: #3
    I think he means the old ticket machine was garbage — but if you thought the old one was bad, you probably can't figure out the new one at all lol
    4AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:32
    Whatever makes you happy is the right answer — it's not for other people to nitpick about. I don't want to be one of those "advice guys" who butts in with advice nobody asked for.
    75AnonymousAug 26, 2026 02:24
    Re: #4
    And yet people around you always find something to complain about. Even parents tell their kids what to do all the time. What is that about?
    5AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:33
    But with only ¥3 million in capital, you can't really turn a profit investing, can you?
    6AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:35
    His answer doesn't really land for me, but it's not like he's eating stuff he hates.
    7AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:36
    He's been trading stocks forever, and long-term holding seems to be basically his whole strategy — so in this market, isn't ¥700 million actually kind of low?
    8AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:36
    No, at his age, eating out constantly at perk-coupon-tier restaurants really isn't good for his health — that's probably why people are worried.
    9AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:38
    If he's a long-term holder, you'd think he'd favor dividend stocks over perk stocks — though perks do have the advantage of not being taxed.
    10AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:39
    If his body can handle all that greasy restaurant food, he should just keep at it — being able to eat like that is a talent for longevity in itself. Though he doesn't need to go full speed on that bike all the time.
    11AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:41
    But wasn't he wrecked by the Lehman Shock?
    12AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:42
    For Kiritani, using up every last coupon is part of the joy, so this is fine as is. What's really impressive is being able to go eat greasy food like that on the way back from chemo treatment.
    13AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:43
    So his sister came all this way and he took her out to eat at Matsuya, huh.
    15AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:44
    Whoa, he's turned into quite the old man — kind of startling. Eat something healthy and stay well, man.
    16AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:44
    Isn't he just using coupons from companies whose food he actually likes?
    17AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:44
    Is he ever going to discover cooking for himself?
    18AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:45
    Re: #1
    Seriously, only ¥700 million? There are tons of young people on YouTube claiming they made ¥1 billion in two years — isn't ¥700 million kind of rough for his age?
    24AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:54
    Re: #18
    No way that's true lol. But you also can't exactly go around saying "yeah, no matter what I do my assets just keep growing."
    31AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:11
    Re: #18
    You watching a lot of those guys' videos? Idiots like that are exactly the ones who end up getting hit by investment scams — be careful.
    49AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:40
    Re: #18
    If you can really earn that much, why would you even need to run a YouTube channel?
    19AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:51
    Once you're dead, your assets mean nothing. He doesn't have long left, so why is he still pinching pennies?
    67AnonymousAug 26, 2026 02:06
    Re: #19
    People who get this much attention never think for a second that they're actually going to die.
    77AnonymousAug 26, 2026 02:25
    It's probably turned into his hobby at this point — none of our business, honestly lol.

    Re: #19
    I believe he's planning to leave it to his two younger sisters, so the idea of "spend it all while I'm alive" has just never occurred to him.
    22AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:53
    (East) Kiritani Hiroto (75, Tokyo, former professional shogi player) — Net worth: ¥700 million

    (West) Fujimoto Shigeru (90, Kobe, pet shop groomer) — Net worth: ¥2.5 billion
    23AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:53
    His favorite food just happens to be coupon meals — so everyone else can mind their own business.
    25AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:55
    Even if his assets (the value of his stock holdings) are ¥700 million, the bank account he actually uses day-to-day as his "wallet" might have under ¥5 million in it — and watching that balance shrink probably feels rough.
    28AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:02
    Re: #25
    He earns a normal income from things like giving lectures, so it's not like he's actually short on spending money.
    26AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:55
    ¥700 million is plenty to FIRE on. If it were me, I'd be eating great food and living however I wanted.
    29AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:05
    If you put the whole ¥700 million into stocks at an average dividend yield of 3%, that's ¥21 million a year coming in (about ¥16 million after withholding tax).

    Must be nice~ 🧁🥄🤔
    30AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:06
    If you put the whole ¥700 million into stocks — across the board — at an average dividend yield of 3%, that's ¥21 million a year coming in (about ¥16 million after withholding tax).

    Must be nice~ 🧁🥄🤔
    32AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:14
    Re: #30
    Um, you know you get taxed when you sell stocks, right? He's already getting both perks and dividends as it is — what's the actual problem?
    33AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:14
    I recall him saying he once held Yamaichi Securities stock and it became worthless (Yamaichi collapsed in 1997).
    34AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:15
    It's less that his brain is controlled by it and more that, in a way, his whole life is bound up in it.
    35AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:17
    Sure, the perks help, but maybe Matsuya is genuinely just what he likes?
    36AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:18
    He doesn't have that much time left, so he should just do as he pleases — it's not for outsiders to weigh in on.
    37AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:18
    Rich people really are stingy, huh.

    Though most rich people just refuse to spend a single yen on other people, this guy won't even spend it on himself — his stinginess is next-level thorough.
    38AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:19
    Well, it's his own money, so it's really none of our business. And it's probably precisely because he's committed to fully using his perks that he's held onto that much money in the first place.
    50AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:41
    He said he wants to eat crab, but he can't because people criticize him if it's not covered by a shareholder perk.
    79AnonymousAug 26, 2026 02:33
    Re: #50
    Seems like he could still get crab through furusato nozei (hometown tax donation gifts) though.

    Background and Key Points

    Shareholder perks (yutai) are a distinctly Japanese practice: companies distribute discount coupons, gift certificates, or product samples to individual shareholders, on top of or instead of cash dividends, mainly to attract and retain small retail investors. Kiritani Hiroto built his entire public persona around this niche after his shogi career, becoming one of Japan’s best-known “yutai investors” through television appearances and books, someone who treats collecting and using perk coupons at chains like Matsuya as much a hobby as a financial strategy. Matsuya itself is one of Japan’s “big three” gyudon (beef bowl) chains alongside Yoshinoya and Sukiya, and its shift from ticket vending machines to QR-code ordering reflects a broader labor-shortage-driven push toward self-service automation in Japanese dining that would confuse even longtime customers, hence his comment about being thrown off.

    The thread didn’t split over whether he’s entitled to spend his own money that way, nearly everyone agreed it’s his business, but over whether ¥700 million is actually impressive for a famous 76-year-old investor, and whether his health can sustain a diet built around cheap, greasy chain food into old age. Some framed the coupon habit as endearing frugality or even a longevity trick; others read it as needless stinginess given his wealth.

    What outside readers likely miss is that yutai are typically untaxed in-kind benefits, unlike dividends, which is part of why serious yutai investors treat them as a distinct, efficient income stream rather than mere freebies, a distinction one poster raised but the framing of “why not just eat what you like” glosses over entirely.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread ““¥700 Million in Total Assets” Kiritani Gives a Real Answer to “Wouldn’t It Be Better to Stop Using Coupons and Eat What You Like?”.”

  • “Momoiro Clover Z Invented Member Colors and Fan Names,” Claims Post — Johnny’s Fans Fire Back, 5ch Erupts in Debate

    When a post claiming “Momoiro Clover Z originated member colors and fan names” was shared on 5ch’s Hello! Project board, fans of M!LK and Chou Tokkyu (Bullet Train) pushed back, arguing “that doesn’t apply to us — we have agency-official fan names.”

    The thread saw pushback pointing out that Hello! Project already had member colors as far back as 2004, along with discussion citing photos of Berryz Koubou, and the argument over who was really “first” never converged, running on in parallel lines to the end.

    1AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:31
    Nomoto@nomoto0399
    To all the Johnny's fans out there bashing M!LK and Chou Tokkyu — you might not know this, but I want to say it loud: Momoiro Clover Z is the true originator of member colors and fan names
    8AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:34
    So Hello!Project fans ("Haro-ota") don't even have an agency-official fan name either, huh? lol
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:38
    Re: #8
    Never thought of "Haro-ota" as an actual fan name
    39AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:49
    @
    Wait, Momoiro Clover Z predates Shonentai? Didn't know that___
    46AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:55
    Re: #39
    So ignorant
    You didn't even know that?


    That's just how a Monofu's (Momoiro Clover Z fan) brain works
    44AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:54
    Does Momoiro Clover Z even have a hit song that actually got famous?
    49AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:56
    Re: #44
    Wasn't there literally a song called something like "I Want to Be a Hit and Get Famous"?
    77AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:27
    Brings back memories
    https://gzo.ai/i/j33ywrz.jpg
    81AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:35
    Re: #77
    Berryz's aura is something else
    83AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:47
    Re: #77
    First time seeing this lol
    87AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:52
    Probably the work of a hardcore anti posing as a self-proclaimed Monofu
    95AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:21
    Re: #87
    Monofus lie like this without batting an eye
    90AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:15
    Why are the Garakasu (derogatory nickname for a fan group) getting worked up again?
    Enlighten me, Mr./Ms. Monofu
    103AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:27
    Re: #90
    Yeah, totally worked up
    94AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:21
    @
    Member colors and fan names have been around forever, but if the claim is "Momoiro Clover Z may have been the first to push them this hard," I could kind of see that.
    But when you flat-out say they "originated" member colors, I'm like, no, that's been a thing way before.
    98AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:22
    Re: #94
    They weren't first
    101AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:27
    Momoiro Clover Z does have an "original" of their own though — the princess-carry two-shot cheki (instant photo)
    104AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:28
    Re: #101
    Ah, the hug events, brings back memories


    117AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:04
    Re: #104
    They used to do stuff like this? lol
    113AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:59
    When did member colors actually start in Hello!Project?
    Forgot when the original-gen members first got member colors
    120AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:06
    Re: #113
    At least by 2004 it already existed
    119AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:05
    Johnny's fans have been losing it ever since Ebidan went million-seller
    123AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:07
    Re: #119
    I see
    Though M!LK fans have been pretty unhinged lately too
    125AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:09
    Re: #119
    Lately it's mainly Kiteretsu (fan nickname for another idol group) fans losing it
    136AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:13
    Stardust granpa (a Stardust Promotion/Momoiro Clover Z old-timer fan) — definitely a Monofu
    Just by posting here, that's obvious
    So how about Red marrying a Johnny's guy, huh? lol
    140AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:16
    Re: #136
    Was self-posting under multiple names until just a moment ago, then vanished — guess it hit a nerve lol
    147AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:19
    Re: #136
    This is exactly that kind of thing
    Still going on about the marriage
    No Monofu actually cares, but the fact that "married with kids" gets Johnny's fans this riled up shows how much marriage stuff really stings them
    That's probably why they keep throwing the same jab back
    176AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:30
    The guy who keeps yelling "there's a Monofu on the Ookami board!" is probably a hardcore Johnny's fan himself
    Acts like only Hello!Project fans exist on Ookami (the Hello!Project discussion board) lol
    177AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:31
    Re: #176
    What's gotten into you all of a sudden?
    179AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:31
    Re: #176
    ??????????
    181AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:31
    Re: #176
    What do you mean?

    Background and Key Points

    Momoiro Clover Z (“Momoiro Clover Z” / Momoclo) is a Stardust Promotion idol group formed in 2008, and the debate here sits inside a much older idol-industry practice. “Member colors” — assigning each member of a group a signature color used in merchandise, penlights, and stage costumes — is a convention that predates Momoclo by years; Hello! Project, the umbrella idol organization behind groups like Morning Musume and Berryz Kobo, was already using the system by 2004, as posters in the thread note. Likewise, fan nicknames for idol groups are a broader Japanese fandom tradition, not something any single group “invented.” “Monofu” is the fan nickname for Momoiro Clover Z supporters, while M!LK and Chou Tokkyu (Bullet Train) are Johnny’s (male idol agency) groups whose fans clashed with the original poster.

    The thread never actually resolves the historical question it opens with. It splits mainly on emphasis: some posters flatly reject the “originated” claim as false, pointing to Hello! Project’s 2004-era precedent, while others concede a softer version — that Momoiro Clover Z may not have invented member colors or fan names, but popularized or pushed the practice more aggressively than earlier groups. That distinction between “invented” and “popularized” is where the real disagreement lives, even though most replies talk past each other rather than engaging it directly.

    What outside readers should not take away is that this is a factual dispute with an answer being argued out — it’s an inter-fandom rivalry post (a “Monofu vs. Johnny’s-ota” flame war) using a dubious historical claim as ammunition. No poster brings up earlier, non-Hello!Project precedents either, such as Showa-era idol merchandising or AKB48’s own color/nickname conventions, which would undercut both sides equally.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello!Project board) thread “A Monofu declares war on Johnny’s fans bashing M!LK and Chou Tokkyu: “Momoiro Clover Z invented member colors and fan names, don’t underestimate Stardust.” lol“.

  • I Just Want to Date a Normal Person — 5ch: “People Can Only Date Others on Their Own Level”

    In the “Chatting with Maaya Until Dawn” thread on 5ch’s Newsspeed VIP board, regular poster “Maaya” shared memories of a kind, married coworker from her part-time job, along with her own views on love.

    Her remark that “people can only date others on the same level as them” drew responses from thread members like, “That’s surprisingly deep.”

    1AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:12
    Sigh…
    3AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:13
    Thread for listening to Maaya's troubles
    https://mi.5ch.io/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1787053075/33

    33 Posted by VIP via 5channel 2026/08/18 (Tue) 22:31:12.481 ID:kvHQNLDmr
    Re: #32
    Already turning 60
    7AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:14
    Re: #3
    That's the real deal……
    http://hissi.org/read.php/news4vip/20260818/a3ZIUU5MRG1y.html
    15AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:20
    So you're into 37-year-old shut-ins?
    17AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:22
    Re: #15
    Being so spoiled by his mother is infuriating 😭 sigh…
    Not 37 years old — he's 52 and has been a shut-in for 37 years
    His mother is 80
    And his sister is 56 and just got hit by a romance scam, lol
    16AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:21
    Maaya, you seem like you'd be popular in real life though
    19AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:24
    Re: #16
    I'm not popular at all 😭 sigh…
    One of my happiest memories from my part-time job is a tall, average-looking guy (already had a girlfriend) who'd talk to me every time we crossed paths
    He got married in no time, but he kept talking to me even after the wedding
    I wonder why he even talked to me…
    18AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:23
    What, a new character just showed up? The legend of "Masaki"
    20AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:25
    Re: #18
    Sounds like something out of "The Non-Fiction" (a Japanese documentary TV series)
    https://youtu.be/YiJFERM_e18?si=avbEPNZr3rTYTgWy
    26AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:34
    Re: #19
    Maybe it wasn't that he was into you — maybe you were just easy for him to talk to?
    28AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:39
    Re: #26
    He and I worked different jobs so we didn't run into each other much
    But we happened to meet on my first day at the part-time job
    He introduced himself to me first
    After that, whenever we crossed paths he'd say things like, "Aren't you cold? You're wearing a cardigan for sun protection"
    Or he'd suddenly show up while I was working and show me an old anime-branded ruler, saying, "Doesn't this bring back memories?" 😭 sigh…
    29AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:39
    Re: #28
    What anime was it?
    32AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:41
    Re: #28
    He sounds like a friendly guy
    You should've just stolen him from his girlfriend
    27AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:38
    Good evening, Maaya
    What did you have for dinner?
    30AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:39
    Re: #27
    Good evening 😭 sigh…
    Grilled pork
    33AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:41
    Sample photo of a 60-year-old
    https://www.takasu.co.jp/photo/p2oe890000005c3w-img/ba_minilift013_b01.jpg
    45AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:02
    Even if I started a YouTube channel, it probably wouldn't work out 😭 sigh…
    55AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:12
    Re: #45
    If you promoted it on VIP, people would probably watch
    72AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:24
    Yesterday there were a bunch of Maaya threads where the ID didn't end in "r" — did you make those, Maaya, or was that someone else? (5ch posters often verify identity by the last character of their poster ID)
    77AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:26
    Re: #72
    That was me 😭 sigh…
    I don't know why it changed
    78AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:28
    Re: #77
    Ah, I see, thanks
    The last character can turn into a "d" or a "0" sometimes too — it just changes for no clear reason now and then
    79AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:29
    Re: #77
    Lately even on SoftBank mobile data it sometimes turns into a 0
    It's surprising — makes you think you accidentally connected to public wifi without realizing
    89AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:37
    Re: #85
    I just want to date a normal person 😭 sigh…
    95AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:40
    Re: #89
    Normal how? Were the guys you've dated before kind of messed up?
    98AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:41
    Re: #95
    People can only date others on the same level as them, you know 😭 sigh…
    I long for someone who grew up in a decent, stable home
    100AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:43
    Re: #98
    I see…
    Guess if the levels don't match, it just doesn't last
    102AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:43
    That's surprisingly deep
    Re: #98

    Background and Key Points

    I just want to date a normal person 😭 sigh…

    The “Newsspeed VIP” board on 5ch is one of Japan’s largest anonymous forums, and “Chatting with Maaya Until Dawn” belongs to a long-running genre there: a single regular poster becomes a recurring character whose late-night confessions turn into a running soap opera for the board’s regulars. Posters track a user’s identity not by name but by their poster ID’s trailing character, which is why several replies fixate on whether Maaya’s ID ended in “r,” “d,” or “0” — Japanese mobile carriers rotate IP addresses assigned to phones, so the ID string can shift mid-session even for the same person, feeding running jokes about “impostor” posts. That background matters because most of the thread isn’t really about romance; it’s about board members re-establishing that this is genuinely the same Maaya they’ve talked to before.

    Where the thread actually splits is over her line that “people can only date others on their own level.” Some read it as fatalistic self-deprecation, others (as in the final reply) treat it as an unexpectedly sharp piece of dating philosophy — the disagreement is about how seriously to take a very online, half-joking confession, not about whether the maxim is true.

    What outside readers will likely miss is that Maaya’s “happy memory” — a married coworker who kept talking to her, showing her an old anime ruler — is presented and received by the board as bittersweet nostalgia rather than as a red flag or a come-on; no poster in the thread frames it as something to worry about.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Newsspeed VIP) thread “Chatting with Maaya Until Dawn”.

  • Government Policy Pushing AI Training-Data Disclosure Sparks Fierce Copyright Debate on 5ch

    The government has decided on a framework requiring AI operators to disclose information about the training data used for generative AI. The goal is to let copyright holders and AI users check whether their works were included in the training data upon request, but on 5ch, opinions split sharply over how to interpret Article 30-4 (“information analysis”) of the Copyright Act.

    The “training is basically legal” camp and the “if similarity shows up, it could be illegal” camp traded blows citing past court rulings, and the thread turned into a marathon argument.

    Operators will post information about their generative AI’s training process, the types of training data used, and how it was collected on their websites. If a copyright holder or AI user requests it, and certain conditions are met, operators will disclose whether copyrighted works are included in the training data — creating a system that lets people check for possible copyright infringement.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:49
    So if it was used in training, does that automatically make it copyright infringement?
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:50
    Re: #4
    If the copyright holder decides it's bad, it becomes illegal.
    Training isn't unconditionally allowed no matter what.
    9AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:57
    Re: #5
    That first line is way too out there lol
    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:31
    Re: #9
    No, I'm dead serious.
    Even training becomes illegal if the copyright holder judges they've suffered a disadvantage from it.
    Like, say, if it was used in a way tied to content revenue.
    62AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:10
    Re: #18
    Revenue is about the output, not the training though, isn't it?
    14AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:06
    Why do AI illustrators fly into a rage the moment someone just asks what art style their training data came from?
    Is asking not allowed or something?
    16AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:10
    Re: #14
    Probably because they don't actually know.
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:34
    Re: #18
    "Illegal if the copyright holder says so" — what a broken trump card.
    At that rate you could just shut the courts down.
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:36
    Re: #19
    It IS a trump card.

    1. Why is it "basically legal"? Japan's Copyright Act (Article 30-4) has a special exception: if the use is for "information analysis," you can use data without the copyright holder's permission. Since an AI reading huge amounts of data and analyzing features and patterns (training) is considered to fall under this "information analysis," no permission is required in principle.


    2. Cases where it's NOT clearly legal (risk of being illegal). The following cases may violate the law.

    Using it for human enjoyment instead of the AI: copying a work not to have the AI draw something, but purely so a human can enjoy the copy.

    Training on pirated material: collecting and training on data known to have been illegally uploaded, like from piracy sites.

    Cases that seriously harm the rights holder's interests: deliberately targeting and training on only a specific artist's works in a way that takes away that artist's work.
    21AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:37
    Re: #20
    What's with the sudden essay-length lecture right after "it IS a trump card"? If that logic actually worked in practice, nobody would be fighting about this.
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:43
    Re: #20
    Exactly.
    This is how believers twist logic among themselves until even the generation itself becomes "okay."
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:41
    Re: #21
    So let's remember: training is fine except when it falls outside "information analysis" — that part's still a no-go.
    24AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:42
    Re: #23
    "Let's remember" — who do you think you are, playing teacher? Where's your source for this "anything outside information analysis is a no-go" ruling?
    38AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:52
    Even if someone's art style happens to get reproduced by accident, that still counts as "use not intended to enjoy the thoughts or feelings expressed in the copyrighted work," so…
    42AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:54
    Re: #38
    That's exactly the kind of argument that doesn't fly in the world of content rights holders.

    For example, there are actual court cases where someone happened to draw something extremely similar, it was judged highly similar, and they lost in court.
    47AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:59
    Re: #38
    So just chanting that phrase makes style reproduction invincible? Then what exactly are all these people fighting about?
    49AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:00
    What happens when someone says "the AI says so" and then gets told "actually that's wrong"?
    All they'll be able to do is whine "but the AI said so!"
    50AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:00
    Re: #49
    Pulling from actual court cases is credible enough for me.
    51AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:01
    Re: #49
    What do you mean "what do you mean" — it's just having the AI produce its sources, that's all.
    73AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:19
    "Use not intended to enjoy the thoughts or feelings expressed in the copyrighted work"

    As long as this applies, normal use doesn't become illegal.
    78AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:23
    Re: #73
    It's rough how you're treating that one phrase like a magic spell.
    You're just declaring victory without even defining what "normal" means.
    88AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:29
    Re: #73
    There are cases where something ended up too similar and got ruled out on similarity grounds, so it's not always the case.
    Unfortunately.
    109AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:39
    No, it wouldn't be illegal.
    Under Article 30-4 of the Copyright Act, it's legal if the use is judged to be "not intended to enjoy the thoughts or feelings expressed in the copyrighted work."

    As long as no one deliberately extracts something hidden in the model on purpose, nothing gets infringed.
    116AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:43
    Re: #109
    You're saying it won't be judged that way, then turn around and say "if it's judged legal, it's legal"?
    Maybe start by rethinking your premise.

    Like in the article at Re: #1, there's a whole trend toward protecting and disclosing intellectual property — if you can't even consider why that's happening and just keep chanting "legal, legal," you're starting to sound like a kid throwing a tantrum.
    140AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:54
    Re: #109
    Aren't you just treating Article 30-4 like a magic spell?
    If "stuff hidden in there is safe" were really the logic, there'd be no reason for this disclosure push to even come up.
    119AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:44
    Article 30-4 doesn't say a single word about generation, you know.
    Not sure what you're misunderstanding, but still.
    129AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:48
    Re: #119
    That's why this guy just keeps asking Chappy (5ch slang for ChatGPT) and can't develop the argument any further than that, so he just keeps repeating the same line over and over — ironically, he's starting to sound like an AI himself.

    He thinks just saying this one thing is enough, but he's got the premise wrong from the start… it's honestly kind of sad.
    136AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:51
    Re: #129
    Yeah, classic true believer.
    Article 30-4 in the first place only lifts copyright restrictions in specific situations — everything else still falls under normal copyright law.
    So not all training automatically becomes legal.
    137AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:53
    Re: #136
    He went quiet the moment someone pushed back — guess that's just how this guy operates.
    155AnonymousAug 26, 2026 01:07
    Re: #136
    What, is there some "lift restrictions" button you press? Article 30-4 is just a narrow exception — it's not a blanket pardon that makes all training legal.

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s Copyright Act was revised in 2018 to add Article 30-4, an unusually permissive “information analysis” exception: using a copyrighted work without the rights holder’s permission is allowed if the use is not meant for a human to enjoy the work’s expressive content, but rather to extract data, patterns, or statistics from it — the theory AI training falls under. This is broader than US fair use case law and was written before generative AI existed, which is why Japan became known internationally as unusually AI-training-friendly. The new disclosure framework being reported here does not rewrite that law; it’s a transparency requirement layered on top, letting rights holders and users ask AI operators what went into a model and how it was collected.

    The thread’s actual fault line is not “is AI training legal” in the abstract — both camps cite Article 30-4 — but whether a copyright holder’s own judgment that they’ve been harmed (especially via output similarity) can retroactively make the training itself illegal, or whether 30-4’s exceptions (piracy-sourced data, deliberately targeting one artist, non-analytical reuse) are the only carve-outs that matter. Posters swap fragments of real court rulings on similarity without agreeing on what those rulings actually settled.

    What the thread never separates out is that training-stage legality (Article 30-4) and generation/output-stage infringement (ordinary reproduction and adaptation rights) are assessed independently under Japanese law — a training process can be lawful while a specific output still infringes, and vice versa. The disclosure rule addresses the former, not the latter, and by itself doesn’t determine anyone’s liability.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nnews VIP) thread “[Breaking] Government decides on law/guidelines pushing disclosure of AI-generated training data — is this the end for AI illustrations and videos?.”

  • AKB48’s “Suki-ish” Tops 2026 Female Idol CD Sales, Beating FRUITS ZIPPER and the Sakamichi Groups

    AKB48’s new single “Suki-ish” topping first-week female idol CD sales for 2026 — beating out FRUITS ZIPPER and Sakamichi groups like Nogizaka46 and Hinatazaka46 — has become a hot topic on 5ch’s Hello! Project board. The thread mixed pointed remarks about the sales tactics behind the numbers, like handshake-event marketing and bulk-buying, with predictions of a Sakamichi comeback and speculation about a Kohaku Uta Gassen appearance.

    1AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:48
    Amazeballs! ("goisu" — slangy backwards way of saying sugoi)
    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:49
    What about JJ, who's on a huge breakout run?
    10AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:50
    Re: #4
    Company motto: "We don't put out plastic trash"
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:49
    It's only August and they're already #1 for 2026? Come on.
    7AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:50
    This is the only group still doing handshake events.
    13AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:51
    Re: #7
    They've always done handshake events, but they never sold this well before.
    15AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:52
    Re: #13
    They're not doing the COVID thing anymore though.
    11AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:50
    They'll probably get blown out of the water by Sakamichi singles in September, October, November, and December anyway.
    Yeah, I know.
    14AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:51
    Re: #11
    Nogizaka added more bonus perks and still dropped.
    12AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:51
    So basically CD sales numbers don't mean anything.
    16AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:52
    Ain't none of our business here on Wolf (nickname for the Hello! Project fan board).
    17AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:52
    These days AKB has like 8 or 9 members selling out their individual handshake events.
    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:52
    They added more members and are cranking out release events nonstop — really leveraging having such a huge lineup.
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:53
    Kinda feel bad for the old guys bulk-buying CDs by the boxload.
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:53
    Morning Musume, Toki Sen, and Kyanchu are all dropping releases the same day, so once Hinatazaka fans go all out, they'll probably end up #1 for the year.
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:53
    Don't know! Don't know, don't know! This is the Hello! Project board!
    Don't know AKB, don't know Nogizaka, don't know FRUITS ZIPPER, don't know =LOVE, don't know Stardust idols, don't know K-pop, don't know don't know!
    25AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:54
    Congrats, good for you! Now please never start another AKB thread on Wolf again, kay bye.
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:54
    Even with handshake events, Hello!-trash (derogatory nickname for Hello! Project fans/groups) only moves like 150,000 copies, right?
    34AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:56
    Re: #26
    Juice=Juice these days should be able to hit 300,000.
    27AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:55
    Come to think of it, did they stop doing the General Election?
    Bringing that back would sell even more, wouldn't it?
    30AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:55
    Re: #27
    They still do it at live shows.
    28AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:55
    Handshakes disappear because of COVID
    They start doing handshakes with gloves
    Then they start doing bare-hand handshakes again
    29AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:55
    From here on, the members have a hellish schedule of meet-and-greets waiting for them.
    32AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:55
    Itomomo is genuinely being deified as the savior who revived AKB.
    33AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:56
    I don't think they could pull off the General Election these days
    That whole system was way too much like a hostess club, even by their standards
    35AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:56
    The burden on the members is brutal
    I don't think Hello! Project members ("Haro-men") could handle it lol
    37AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:57
    In terms of time commitment, isn't Sakamichi's "Meet & Greet" thing longer anyway?
    39AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:57
    If Hello! Project ever did handshake events, someone mentally fragile like Goto would probably break down.
    40AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:57
    Sakamichi groups need to lift the handshake-event ban soon or they're in trouble
    Though the members are probably the ones refusing lol
    41AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:57
    So Nogizaka's stronghold has finally fallen
    Times are changing
    52AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:01
    These days all of AKB's top core members are putting real energy and passion into their activities, so honestly it's just fun to be a fan right now.
    57AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:03
    Re: #52
    But they still couldn't fill Yoyogi (arena), right?
    Even with all that promotion lol
    60AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:04
    Chiba's got a great figure and she's gorgeous too though.
    64AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:06
    Re: #60
    She's basically a cyborg.
    63AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:06
    This could get them into Kohaku this year too
    "Suki-ish" is the most popular song right now after =LOVE's
    72AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:28
    Re: #63
    LOL
    Well, words have power ("kotodama"), so if you keep saying it, maybe it'll come true someday.
    74AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:30
    "Suki-ish" views have completely flatlined lol
    It was pulling like 500k views a day
    Huh, that's weird~ wwww????
    75AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:32
    Re: #74
    Do you check it every day?

    Background and Key Points

    AKB48’s handshake-event model dates back to the early 2010s, when the group’s Senbatsu General Election (“sousenkyo”) let fans buy multiple CDs to cast votes for their favorite members and reshuffle the lineup — a system credited with turning CD sales into a fan-driven arms race. That election was quietly discontinued, and the thread notes it now survives only as a live-show gimmick, not a sales driver. What’s replaced it is a member roster so large that AKB can run handshake events for eight or nine individual members simultaneously, spreading the fan-buying load across many mini-fandoms rather than one center. Sakamichi groups (Nogizaka46, Hinatazaka46, Sakurazaka46) built their identity partly by refusing handshake events, relying instead on “online meet & greet” sessions and bonus-content bundling — a distinction posters raise directly when noting Nogizaka added more bonus perks yet still lost ground.

    The thread’s actual disagreement isn’t whether “Suki-ish” is a good song — nobody discusses the music — but whether first-week sales figures mean anything at all. Several posters argue the numbers just reflect handshake-driven bulk-buying by older male fans rather than genuine popularity, while others point out AKB’s expanded roster and event cadence as a legitimate structural advantage, and still others expect Sakamichi to reclaim the top spot once their autumn/winter singles drop.

    What outside readers likely miss: raw CD sales in Japan have long been decoupled from streaming or chart popularity elsewhere, since bundled tickets and lottery/bonus content make repeat purchases by a small dedicated base the primary driver — a dynamic YouTube-view numbers (mentioned as flatlining) don’t capture at all. The Kohaku Uta Gassen speculation is also just banter; sales rank alone has never guaranteed a Kohaku invitation, which depends on NHK’s own selection criteria.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “AKB48’s “Suki-ish” Beats FRUITS ZIPPER and the Sakamichi Groups to Take the 2026 First-Week Female Idol CD Sales Crown!!“.

  • Foreigner Asks: “If Japanese People Have No Religion, What Do They Live For?”

    A thread that kicked off with the question “If Japanese people have no religion, what do they lean on for spiritual support?” caught fire on 5ch’s Nanjatte Jikkyo G (Live News) board.

    Discussion ranged from Shinto’s “eight million gods” and lingering traces of Buddhism to the role of the Imperial Family, with some even suggesting “maybe 2channel itself is our spiritual support.” Self-deprecating comments like “Japanese people are just empty inside” also surfaced, as posters traded a variety of takes on whether being irreligious is really a problem.

    1AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:32
    True that
    3AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:33
    Can people really not live without something to lean on?
    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:33
    Religion isn't much of a support to begin with anyway
    10AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:35
    The burning passion my dad left me, and that look in my mom's eyes (a riff on the *One Piece* opening theme lyrics)
    69AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:56
    Re: #10
    Wait, what was that from again?
    71AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:57
    Re: #10
    Nevermind, figured it out
    11AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:36
    That's exactly why it's not "no religion" — Shinto's just hard to wrap your head around
    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:37
    Re: #11
    It's not really Shinto either though
    13AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:36
    They say they're not religious but they're clearly doing Buddhist stuff
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:37
    Re: #13
    Is it really though?
    14AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:36
    Honestly, these days there aren't many foreigners who lean on religion for support either
    15AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:36
    Does religion actually give you something to lean on in life? I don't have anything like that, so I envy people who do
    17AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:37
    Irreligious people are on the rise in the West
    Saw it in the paper this morning
    21AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:39
    Reminder that foreigners aren't exactly religious either
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:39
    "Self-confidence" (自信) is literally written with the characters for "believing in yourself"
    You become a believer because you can't believe in yourself
    And making believers is profitable
    Old kanji really were well-designed characters
    24AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:39
    Honestly, isn't leaning on religion for support the same as you guys leaning on 2ch?
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:42
    Re: #24
    Well, 2ch or religion aside, everyone relies on something — that's true for all of us
    33AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:43
    No spiritual support, so they're desperate to one-up each other with jobs and status
    Japanese people really are empty inside
    38AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:45
    Re: #33
    Every single thing has its own god
    And each god is respected
    Isn't that the essence of Japan's "harmony above all" spirit?
    36AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:44
    Awe of the unknowable
    42AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:47
    Re: #36
    Sounds like Xenoblade 2
    41AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:47
    The concept of the "eight million gods" is hard to grasp
    Like how a god comes to dwell in something you've used for a long time — dolls, stuffed animals, even cars and other inanimate objects can end up with a god in them, that's a hard idea to understand
    46AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:48
    Re: #41
    This is basically Xenosaga at this point
    51AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:51
    Japanese people aren't completely irreligious
    I think they just loosely and shallowly absorb teachings and events from a bunch of different religions and call it faith
    56AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:53
    Re: #51
    I wouldn't call that faith though
    Well, if just showing up for the event itself counts as part of the faith, then sure, they've got faith
    53AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:51
    Re: #50
    They got steeped in it once and have already moved on from it
    Being steeped in Buddhism was a thing of the past — not now
    88AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:03
    Re: #53
    Even today enough of that foundation remains that most people feel disgust toward shady new religions — without that, Japan might have collapsed by now

    Sadly, though, Buddhism doesn't have strong teachings against suicide
    That's probably part of why the suicide rate is so unusually high
    80AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:00
    Re: #72
    Probably a lot of Japanese people get to stay irreligious thanks to the Imperial Family
    84AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:02
    Re: #80
    That's probably true
    For Japanese people, the Imperial Family probably plays a role similar to the Pope
    85AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:02
    The strong belief in karma/cause-and-effect is pretty Buddhist if you think about it
    93AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:05
    Re: #85
    Exactly that
    Even without strong faith, it's definitely alive and well

    Background and Key Points

    Japanese religious identity has puzzled outside observers for over a century, and the numbers behind it are genuinely contradictory. Government-adjacent surveys of religious affiliation (via the Agency for Cultural Affairs’ annual report) often count more claimed adherents than there are people in Japan, because temples and shrines both tally “parishioners” by household or region rather than individual belief. Meanwhile, opinion polls asking “do you personally believe in a religion” routinely show 60-75% saying no. The reconciling fact is that Japanese religious life is largely practice-based rather than belief-based: New Year’s shrine visits (hatsumode), Buddhist funeral and ancestor rites (soshiki bukkyo, “funeral Buddhism”), Shichi-Go-San child blessings, and Christmas-as-a-secular-holiday all coexist without anyone treating them as competing faiths requiring exclusive commitment.

    The thread’s actual fault line wasn’t over whether Japanese people are religious, but over whether that even matters — whether an irreligious society is “empty” (post 33) or whether diffuse, low-commitment participation in shrine and temple customs already constitutes a functioning belief system (post 51, 38 on the “eight million gods” framing). Posts 80 and 84, tying the Imperial Family to a Pope-like unifying role, and post 88’s claim that Buddhist residue explains resistance to “shady new religions,” show posters groping toward historical explanations without agreeing on one.

    What the thread never mentions, and what a non-Japanese reader would likely miss, is the specific historical rupture behind this ambivalence: the 1995 Aum Shinrikyo sarin attack. That event is widely credited by scholars with turning “religion” (shukyo) into a loaded, suspect word in postwar Japanese public life, which is a large part of why “mushukyo” (no religion) became the default self-description even among people who visit shrines every New Year.

    ※This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nanjatte Jikkyo G) thread “Foreigner: “If Japanese People Have No Religion, What Do They Live For?”“.

  • 70% Want Pay Raises Amid Rising Prices — 5ch: “The Trickle-Down Never Comes”

    According to Persol Career’s “2026 Wage Increase Awareness Survey,” 70% of people want pay raises amid rising prices, and 60% say they are “dissatisfied” with their actual wages.

    On a 5ch News Flash+ thread, while some voiced satisfaction after seeing bonuses top ¥1 million, others complained that “the trickle-down never comes,” and the discussion turned to the wage gap between big corporations/civil servants and small businesses, as well as the treatment of non-regular workers.

    With food prices climbing one after another and rising energy costs spilling over into gasoline, electricity, and gas bills, the high cost of living is bearing down hard on household budgets. Amid all this, what do workers actually want more — a “pay raise” or “an easier place to work”?

    Drawing on the “2026 Wage Increase Awareness Survey” conducted by “Job Research Institute,” run by Persol Career Co., Ltd., we take a look at just how strong the desire for pay raises is amid rising prices, and the reality of dissatisfaction with actual wages.

    Amid today’s high prices, 70% hope for a “pay raise”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:02
    My bonus topped ¥1 million, so I'm definitely starting to feel the pay raises kicking in.
    29AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:21
    Re: #3
    Jealous of people at companies where the benefits actually reach them.
    The trickle-down never comes.
    6AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:06
    Re: #1
    The reason real wages at Japan's small and mid-size companies won't rise is that more and more people rely on social welfare (funded by taxes) to live.

    When you hand money to people who depend on social welfare — pensioners, welfare recipients — whose income doesn't grow through economic activity, they try to stretch that money by buying the cheapest goods possible.

    Trading companies, chasing that demand, import even cheaper substitutes from third countries, and the Japanese market fills up with cheaper and cheaper goods.

    Domestic-demand manufacturers, facing rising import costs for raw materials, respond to welfare-dependent demand by squeezing their own employees' wages instead.

    For Japan to raise real wages, there's no way around cutting pensions and welfare payments for people under 80, and putting people who are healthy enough to work — but don't — back to work.
    68AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:35
    Re: #13 Re: #1
    The source of wages is a country's economic strength.

    The source of a country's economic strength is the demand and supply generated within it.

    Demand and supply aren't split between different people — they exist together inside each individual.

    Workers work harder because they want to buy better things, and that's what grows both demand and supply, which is what develops a nation's economy.

    People living on social welfare don't see their income grow through work, so they try to increase their disposable income by buying things cheaper — which only ever pushes value-added downward.

    Social welfare may be socially just, but it's economically harmful.

    What Japan needs is to convert the people dependent on social welfare into workers.

    To do that, we have no choice but to get people who are healthy enough to work — but aren't — working again.

    Concretely: cut pensions and welfare payments for people under 80.
    17AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:10
    Raise temp workers' pay.
    Non-regular employees aren't just a hiring buffer to squeeze whenever convenient.
    21AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:16
    Re: #17
    For temp office work it's about ¥1,700/hour in Tokyo.
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:19
    Re: #17
    Forget raising wages — some places just dump the full-time employees' work straight onto the temps. There are some awful factories where if the bonus-earning staff don't feel like doing a task, they just tell the temp "you do it" 😆
    30AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:21
    ¥1,500 minimum wage.
    Make it happen right now.
    And even that's still too low.
    45AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:27
    Re: #30
    If a couple's combined household income is ¥2.5 million a year, maybe they could manage having one kid.
    50AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:28
    The yen's value has dropped to a third of what it was 20 years ago.
    Wages need to triple too, or the math just doesn't add up.
    53AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:29
    Re: #50
    Guess we'll just have to work three times as hard, then.
    54AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:30
    Just fold investment income into comprehensive taxation, and exempt anyone earning under ¥5 million total (including salary) from resident tax and income tax.
    Above ¥5 million, uncapped progressive tax rates.
    Wouldn't that work?
    66AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:34
    It's because cost-push inflation is outpacing the wage increases.
    132AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:07
    Re: #66
    You're being fooled — most of that is just opportunistic price-gouging riding the trend, nothing more.
    83AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:42
    Everyone wants a pay raise, so why won't workers unite?
    In other countries where wages are actually rising, workers band together as one and negotiate with management — Japanese workers don't do that.

    If anything, they're a bunch of idiots busy squabbling amongst themselves instead.
    90AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:46
    Re: #83
    Why not have low-wage workers unionize and go on strike?

    Then they'd all get fired and replaced with capable foreign workers — win-win for everyone, right?
    91AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:46
    Re: #83
    Honestly, most people are satisfied with the status quo even if they don't realize it. If they were truly struggling to get by, they'd actually do something about it.
    98AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:50
    Re: #83
    Because they've got a slave mentality baked in.
    108AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:54
    So 30-40% of people are actually satisfied and don't even want a pay raise, huh.
    113AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:57
    Re: #108
    That's because younger workers are getting higher wages and more job offers without even trying — it's a seller's market for them.
    116AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:58
    Re: #113
    Even though they're useless?
    118AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:59
    Re: #116
    Whether they're useful or not doesn't matter. Just being young makes you valuable these days.

    It's different from the Ice Age Generation (the large cohort who graduated into Japan's brutal job market of the late '90s/2000s).
    119AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:00
    Re: #116
    Losers online are always going on about "young people are useless, we're the competent ones!"

    Meanwhile those self-proclaimed "competent" old guys are earning less than their own peers.
    114AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:57
    Re: #106
    Right, if you don't raise wages everyone's just going to quit.
    146AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:17
    Re: #114
    Exactly. Without the pressure of people quitting, wages never go up.
    147AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:18
    Re: #146
    More like, for low-end jobs there's always someone to replace you if you quit.

    Especially now, since foreign workers are putting in such good work.
    151AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:19
    Re: #147
    What are you even talking about?
    155AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:20
    Re: #147
    Don't you see the pattern — the more fluid a segment of the job market is, the more conditions improve?

    Temp workers' hourly wages have shot way up, while regular full-time employees' haven't, precisely because temps just quit if they're unhappy with their treatment.

    Bottom line: improving your own conditions takes the will to actually change jobs.
    161AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:23
    What's really high is social insurance premiums and taxes.
    180AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:34
    There's no way small and mid-size companies can afford pay raises, not with the weak yen tanking the economy.
    It's only big corporations and public servants propping up the wage index.
    186AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:38
    Re: #180
    If this gets pushed through forcefully, it'll probably accelerate a winner-take-all society — split between those who can land jobs and those who can't.
    189AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:38
    Re: #180
    Exactly this. The only ones getting raises are public servants and big-company employees — or people who generate huge profits for their company.
    199AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:45
    Re: #180
    In other words, small and mid-size companies are the ones dragging Japan down.

    Why do people insist on glorifying SMEs? They're actually the ones with more exploitative "black" labor practices and layers of subcontracting that skim off the top — it just doesn't make the news the way big companies do. People romanticize SMEs because of old TV documentaries that tugged at their heartstrings; you're just seeing a pretty, curated slice of small business and projecting some romantic notion onto it.
    204AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:48
    Re: #199
    SMEs are garbage. The owning family drives around in luxury cars worth tens of millions of yen while the employees are all stuck driving beat-up used cars.
    The president's son joins the company in his 20s on a ¥10 million salary and drives a luxury car worth more than that.
    215AnonymousAug 26, 2026 00:56
    Re: #204
    So go start your own small company, then. Take on some risk yourself.

    Background and Key Points

    The survey underpinning this thread comes from Persol Career’s Job Research Institute, tracking sentiment against Japan’s spring wage negotiation system, “shunto,” in which Rengo-affiliated unions at large corporations bargain annual raises that are meant to set a benchmark the rest of the economy follows. That trickle-down has always been uneven, but it matters more now because small and mid-size enterprises employ roughly 70% of Japan’s workforce, while non-regular workers (haken, part-timers, contract staff) — around a third of all employees — are largely outside the shunto framework entirely, missing the bonuses and seniority-linked raises regular employees expect. Add a yen that has lost much of its value over two decades and imported food and energy costs, and the “raise vs. reality” gap in the survey becomes concrete.

    The thread didn’t split over whether people want more pay; nearly everyone agreed on that. The real fault line was over blame: several posters argued SME wage stagnation stems from welfare and pension recipients suppressing demand for cheap goods (and called for cutting benefits to push the able-bodied back to work), while others countered that hoarded corporate profits and SME structures themselves — subcontracting layers, family-owned firms enriching themselves — are the actual culprit.

    What’s likely missed by outside readers is why “just unionize” (post 83) isn’t simple in Japan: unions here are organized company-by-company (kigyo-betsu kumiai), not by trade or sector, so they rarely coordinate across firms or strike the way unions in the US or France do — a structural reason wage solidarity struggles to form, which no poster actually named.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Flash+) thread “70% Want a “Pay Raise” Amid Rising Prices, 60% “Dissatisfied” With Wages — What a 2026 Survey Reveals.”

  • Giants Edge Swallows 8-6 as Dalbec’s Go-Ahead 3-Run Homer Leads the Way — 3rd Through 6th Place Bunched Within 2.5 Games

    The Giants edged out the Yakult Swallows 8-6 in a game that got the thread talking, with the lineup racking up 8 runs behind Dalbec’s go-ahead 3-run homer. Comments described Tetsuto Yamada’s hit as “the flare of a candle right before it goes out,” while others worried about the Giants’ bullpen after they burned through seven pitchers, and attention also turned to just how tight the Central League standings are, with only 2.5 games separating 3rd from 6th place.

    Giants    3 0 2  2 0 0  0 0 1 | 8

    Swallows  1 1 2  0 2 0  0 0 0 | 6

    [Battery]

    Source: nikkansports.com / original article here

    3AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:56
    The Giants win again today, and Joa tastes so good (o^∀^o) (Joa is a Yakult-brand dairy drink — a running joke here celebrating Giants wins with Yakult products)
    53AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:23
    Re: #3, 4, 11
    Hey, quit copying!
    66AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:51
    Re: #3, 4, 11
    Thanks for your continued patronage
    thanks to you all buying, the sales go straight into Yamada's salary
    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:56
    The Giants win again today, and Yakult 1000 tastes so good (o^∀^o) (another Yakult probiotic drink)
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:56
    Whoever went to watch this game live got their money's worth with all that scoring.
    8AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:57
    Can't believe Ikeyama's throwing games at this point in the season. ("敗退行為" — NPB's term for intentionally losing/tanking, a serious accusation)
    9AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:57
    Strikeout, strikeout… "What happened to Munetaka Murakami?"
    Chicago fans' despair, and their dreams
    Fans do an about-face after his "2-for-24, 11 K" slump
    8/25 (Tue) 17:43
    10AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:57
    Yakult totally threw that game on purpose lol
    11AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:57
    The Giants win again today, and Pirukuru Miracle Care tastes so good (o^∀^o) (yet another Yakult dairy drink)
    12AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:57
    Yakult suddenly started bunting like crazy, lol
    13AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:57
    Re: #10
    How, exactly? lol
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:59
    Re: #13
    Huh?
    It was obviously intentional
    as punishment for Yoshimura
    22AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:59
    Re: #20
    Yakult's still fighting for a Climax Series spot too, lol
    47AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:15
    Re: #20
    Nah, when you get torched for 5 runs right at the start of game one of a 3-game set, of course you stick with your starter even while losing — you've got the next two games to think about.
    And unlike Norimoto, who's basically a sacrificial start for the Giants after Iori Yamazaki's last-minute injury, Yoshimura is (nominally) their Opening Day starter, so he's expected to at least do a starter's job.
    Though the half-hearted comeback ended up burning through their bullpen anyway.
    15AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:58
    50-60 DeNA (Yokohama)
    50-61 Yakult
    50-65 Chunichi
    45-60 Hiroshima
    16AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:58
    1st and 2nd place probably won't budge, but 3rd place is up for grabs for anyone!
    17AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:58
    Dalbec: "Dog, shake."

    Dog: "Woof."

    Dalbec: "Hey dog, that's not it.
    It's three. Three times."

    Dog: "Woof woof woof."

    Dalbec: "Awww~ good boy, good boy."
    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:58
    Apparently there's a team out there that got 16 hits and still lost to a team with only 9.
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:58
    You get 16 hits and still manage to lose? Come on.
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:59
    Re: #1

    Pitcher decisions
    Win: Giants' Akaboshi (6-2, 0 SV)
    Loss: Yakult's Yoshimura (4-9, 0 SV)
    Save: Giants' Martinez (3-3, 35 SV)
    31AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:03
    Re: #23
    Didn't realize Akaboshi already had 6 wins.
    24AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:00
    Katsuya Nomura: "As expected, Hashigami's sticking well to my teachings. Ikeyama? He's managing now? No good, that won't do." (Nomura, a legendary manager who passed away in 2020, is being imagined here weighing in)
    25AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:01
    Dalbec's 3-run homer that somehow flew completely under the radar
    32AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:04
    Re: #25
    Without that 3-run homer, they lose this game.
    29AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:03
    If Norimoto can't get Yakult's batters out, there's no team he could possibly pitch against.
    34AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:05
    Re: #29
    He was getting hit even in the minors — he only got called up this time to fill out the bullpen.
    He just ended up starting on short notice because Iori landed on the injured list.
    33AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:05
    Sure, a win's a win, but burning through 7 pitchers on a Tuesday game against Yakult of all teams…
    is the staff gonna hold up until Sunday?
    35AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:06
    Re: #33
    No time to worry about that this late in the season.
    The Giants are the ones chasing, so their pitching staff has no choice but to go full throttle.
    46AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:14
    That was a really sloppy, low-quality game.
    78AnonymousAug 25, 2026 23:16
    Re: #46
    Agreed.
    Can't believe a team playing like that is sitting in 2nd place.
    54AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:25
    And here Yamada finally got a hit too, for nothing.
    57AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:30
    Re: #54
    Saw the flare of a candle right before it goes out.
    61AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:40
    I'm a Giants fan, but…
    the Giants are running on fumes.
    Come September, they could end up like Hiroshima did last year.
    Still, credit where it's due for building up a cushion with this roster.
    62AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:43
    Re: #61
    They're just aiming for a Climax Series spot at this point.
    As long as they can win it all in the end, that's fine.
    63AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:43
    Re: #61
    Just when it seemed like the rotation was coming together, it's a mess again.
    They're scraping by rotating position players too, but it's rough.
    64AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:44
    Doing well considering they're missing Togo, Iori, and Taisei.
    67AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:54
    Re: #64
    The rotation from when they won it all two years ago:
    Sugano → MLB
    Togo → injured
    Iori → injured
    Griffin → MLB
    Inoue → the lone survivor, now the ace
    Yokogawa → surgery
    Okamoto's gone to MLB too
    Taisei, Yoshikawa, and Kishida are all out hurt
    That's honestly too much to overcome.
    This is basically a rebuilding team that's had to pivot to the young guys.
    Hashigami's doing a great job.
    70AnonymousAug 25, 2026 22:58
    Re: #64
    Whitley's hurt too, and there's no timetable for Nishidate's return.
    Thank god they picked up Ogasawara when they did.

    Background and Key Points

    The Yomiuri Giants are Japan’s most storied and commercially dominant franchise, and the Yakult Swallows are owned by Yakult Honsha, the probiotic-drink company — which is why beating them triggers the recurring gag of Giants fans “toasting” the win with Yakult’s own products (Joa, Yakult 1000, Pirukuru). Japan’s Central League has no divisions; six teams play one table, and the top three advance to the postseason Climax Series. That structure is why the thread fixated on the standings line — with only 2.5 games separating 3rd and 6th place this late in the season, essentially the whole bottom half of the league is still alive for a playoff spot, which is unusually tight for August.

    The actual disagreement in the thread was whether Yakult’s bullpen management — starter Yoshimura left in through an early battering, then a flurry of bunts — was a deliberate tank job or just conventional strategy. Accusers framed it as “敗退行為” (intentional losing), a loaded term in NPB with echoes of past game-fixing scandals, not a casual complaint. The pushback (post 47) offered a mundane baseball explanation: Yoshimura is Yakult’s nominal ace, so managers stick with him in game one of a series rather than burn the bullpen, even while trailing.

    What outside readers likely miss is the depth of the Giants’ pitching crisis behind the box score: several relievers who anchored their 2023 championship rotation are gone to MLB (Sugano, Griffin, Okamoto) or injured (Togo, Iori, Yokogawa, Taisei, Whitley), forcing a seven-pitcher night just to hold on — the thread’s real subtext beneath the joke posts.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Baseball] Central League S 6-8 G [8/25] Giants score 8 runs including Dalbec’s go-ahead 3-run homer, Yakult strands 11 runners, Central League tightens to 2.5 games between 3rd and 6th.”

  • Leap Seconds Effectively Abolished from 2027 — Earth’s Rotation Drift Tolerated Up to ‘One Hour’

    A resolution to effectively abolish leap seconds from May 2027, tolerating a drift from Earth’s rotation of up to one hour, is reportedly set to be reviewed at the General Conference on Weights and Measures in France this October.

    In the thread, rather than the “one-hour drift” itself — which isn’t expected to occur for hundreds or even thousands of years — commenters focused more on the real-world struggles engineers have faced dealing with leap seconds, worries about the impact on GPS and missile-defense systems, and pointed remarks that this is ultimately just kicking the problem down the road.

    Leap Seconds Effectively Abolished from 2027 — Rotation Drift Tolerated Up to “One Hour,” Vote at International Conference in October

    A proposal to effectively abolish the “leap second,” which adjusts world standard time in one-second increments, will be reviewed at the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM), to be held in France October 13–15.

    Under the resolution from the International Bureau of Weights and Measures (BIPM), if adopted, the world will shift to a “continuous UTC” — one that makes no leap-second adjustments — starting May 20, 2027.

    Source: itmedia.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 25, 2026 00:18
    Bet this'll make some people go 'gyaaah!!' lol
    3AnonymousAug 25, 2026 02:52
    If it drifts a whole hour, that's basically daylight saving time territory.
    Saying 'I'll be dead by then anyway' feels pretty irresponsible though.
    4AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:05
    How has everyone even been handling this adjustment up until now?
    That's kind of terrifying.
    5AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:05
    If they're not careful, it could mess up computer systems.
    6AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:18
    Late to work, late delivery, late loan repayment, late settlement — any time-related delay up to an hour is now excusable by blaming Earth's rotation drift.
    Long live the slow life!
    7AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:24
    If noon shifts by a whole hour, wouldn't that seriously mess up weather statistics?
    Should've capped it at a minute, at most.
    8AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:27
    Re: #1
    I could never get along with people who're fine with daylight saving time.
    9AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:35
    Honestly, inserting it right at the date rollover — 23:59:60 — seems like a bad idea, doesn't it?
    If it were 10:10:60 instead, you could fudge things a lot more easily.
    47AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:35
    Re: #9
    Nah, doesn't really change anything fundamental.
    10AnonymousAug 25, 2026 03:56
    Feels like they'll end up just setting Christ's birth as second zero and calling now '63 billion seconds.'
    11AnonymousAug 25, 2026 06:15
    Wouldn't this throw GPS off too?
    Car nav is one thing, but if military or mountaineering units get thrown off, isn't that dangerous?
    Or is this kept separate from that, and it's purely about the time humans use?

    Either way, that sounds like it'd get messy too.
    12AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:27
    Re: #11
    It won't drift.
    If anything, since every system implements leap-second insertion differently,
    engineers have been coughing up blood trying to prevent drift caused by that — and now that's gone, so three cheers.
    13AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:27
    Flip the thinking around — just artificially correct the Earth's rotation speed itself so no time adjustment is ever needed.
    15AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:29
    Re: #13
    Marry me.
    14AnonymousAug 25, 2026 07:29
    'If the rotation's gotten slower, then just speed it back up!'
    17AnonymousAug 25, 2026 09:07
    Just adjust it once, at noon on leap day — that'd be enough.
    19AnonymousAug 25, 2026 09:20
    Re: #17
    Leap years aren't adjusted case-by-case — under the Gregorian calendar, whether Feb 29 gets inserted in any given year is fixed far into the future.
    It's a completely different concept.
    18AnonymousAug 25, 2026 09:15
    Guess this is, in a way, a decision driven by 'outside pressure' too…
    if you count the fact that, for the first time on record, Earth's days have been shorter than 24 hours these past few years as 'outside pressure.'

    But honestly, isn't this a good outcome? Better that only the industries that actually need to care about the UTC/UT1 gap have to deal with it,
    rather than making everyone who touches a system clock worry about it.
    20AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:17
    If it drifts a whole hour, sunlight and temperature would shift quite a bit.
    Correcting it back would be rough too.
    21AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:20
    How many thousands of years would it even take to drift a full hour?
    22AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:45
    Honestly, feels like the current setup was fine as it was.
    23AnonymousAug 25, 2026 11:48
    Re: #22
    Can't be helped — the downsides outweighed the benefits.
    Nobody wants system clocks getting fiddled with constantly these days,
    let alone attempting, for the first time ever, a leap second adjustment in the reverse direction!
    24AnonymousAug 25, 2026 12:07
    An hour's drift is at least centuries away,
    so by then old systems might have nobody left who can touch them — that could cause even bigger chaos.
    If it were capped around a minute, you'd only adjust once every few decades, which still seems manageable.
    26AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:18
    Re: #12
    How many systems even implement leap seconds these days?
    Most just smear the drift via NTP now, don't they?
    40AnonymousAug 25, 2026 20:27
    Re: #26
    No such thing exists.
    It's not something you can just work out with a simple calculation —
    they just sync time based on announcements from international bodies.
    27AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:34
    Society can cope with something like a 'leap second' since it's routine, but decades or centuries from now, inserting a 'leap hour' is going to be a bigger mess than the Y2K/Showa-100 bug.
    Can system engineers really not foresee that?
    28AnonymousAug 25, 2026 15:44
    Re: #27
    Thousands of years from now, today's systems won't exist in any recognizable form.
    There's no need to keep the current rule in place until the full one-hour drift actually shows up —
    realistically this'll only ever amount to a difference of a few dozen seconds.
    29AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:17
    If one particular day ends up with an extra hour, whether that hour counts toward work time seems like it could become a real social issue.
    30AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:20
    They're just bundling the problem up and punting it to the future.
    31AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:30
    Re: #30
    Fine to punt on this one.
    Even after hundreds of years, it might only add up to a few minutes of drift,
    and by then the timekeeping system will probably look totally different anyway.

    Basically, the real question is what to do over just the next few decades —
    and making every system scramble to handle unknown fallout over a UTC/UT1 gap that maxes out at a few dozen seconds is ridiculous.
    32AnonymousAug 25, 2026 16:35
    And on top of that, this 'days shorter than 24 hours' phenomenon has only been observed these past few years in all of recorded history — there's a good chance it reverses within a few decades and days go back to being longer than 24 hours again.
    Making every system implement negative leap seconds just for a few years' worth of a phenomenon is just terrible cost-benefit thinking.
    I'd get chewed out by my boss for that.
    34AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:10
    The one-hour figure is just the maximum tolerance —
    it's not like they'll actually let the gap grow to a full hour before doing anything.
    And the underlying definition of the 'second' itself will probably be replaced by some more precise method before too long anyway.
    35AnonymousAug 25, 2026 17:55
    No way they'd actually let it drift a whole hour lol.
    The world's clocks run on NTP these days —
    this barely matters outside of stuff like rocket guidance systems.
    37AnonymousAug 25, 2026 18:52
    I guess as long as the gap between UTC and astronomical time is clearly published, there's no real problem.
    Though the world will keep running on UTC regardless…
    41AnonymousAug 25, 2026 20:35
    Isn't GPS time just a raw second count since around 1980, meaning leap seconds are really a calendar-processing issue on the receiver's end?
    42AnonymousAug 25, 2026 20:44
    Guess we won't get overtime pay for the leap second anymore.
    43AnonymousAug 25, 2026 20:53
    Re: #1
    In a military context, lots of a nation's people could die, so think about missile interception here.
    A junk system whose intercept timing is off by a whole hour is garbage.
    Keep corrections down to one second — do your best.
    That's the state's duty.
    Protect human lives.
    45AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:19
    Leaving it alone for centuries sounds like it'll cause total chaos whenever it finally happens.
    Wouldn't it be better if it happened at least once during a given engineer's working career?
    46AnonymousAug 25, 2026 21:26
    Re: #45
    Nobody said it's being left alone.

    All that's been decided is that correction happens once the drift exceeds one hour.
    In practice, 'correcting because it drifted an hour' will basically never occur —
    by the time it drifts an hour, the systems involved will be fundamentally different anyway.

    Background and Key Points

    The leap second dates to 1972, when the world’s timekeepers grafted astronomical time (UT1, based on Earth’s rotation) onto atomic time (TAI) by letting UTC insert an occasional extra second, decided and announced by the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service. Historically the Earth was slowing, so 27 leap seconds have been added, most recently in 2016. Japan’s own civil clock, JST, is maintained by NICT and simply follows these UTC announcements, meaning any change ripples straight into Japanese servers, broadcast systems, and telecoms without a separate domestic process. The proposal now before the CGPM would stop leap-second insertions from 2027 and only correct if the UTC/UT1 gap ever reaches a full hour — a threshold nobody expects to be reached for centuries.

    The thread didn’t really argue about the one-hour number itself; posters broadly agreed that’s a non-issue. The actual disagreement was over whether abolition is a sensible fix or just deferred pain: some argued a small, decades-long drift is now impossible to correct gradually and will dump a much bigger, more chaotic adjustment on whatever engineers exist generations from now, while others countered that today’s systems won’t even resemble future ones, so pre-committing to a rigid schedule now is pointless.

    What the thread glossed over is the actual trigger for this reform: for the first time since precise measurement began, Earth’s rotation has recently sped up rather than slowed, raising the unprecedented prospect of a negative leap second — subtracting a second, something no system has ever actually implemented or tested, which is far riskier than the insertions engineers are used to. Readers may also assume GPS timing itself drifts with leap seconds, but GPS time is a continuous count since 1980 that ignores them entirely; only the calendar display layer, not the satellites’ clocks, is affected.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Science News+) thread “Leap Seconds Effectively Abolished from 2027 — Rotation Drift Tolerated Up to “One Hour,” Vote at International Conference in October.”