Nogizaka46’s Nakanishi Arno Sparks Debate With “Sorry We’re on Kōhaku Without a Hit Song” Remark

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Nogizaka46’s Nakanishi Arno became a hot topic on 5ch after saying, “It feels like we get to appear on Kōhaku as a matter of course even without a hit song, and I feel sorry about that toward Juice=Juice.” Nogizaka has released numerous singles, but few could be called nationwide hits, whereas Juice=Juice is a group that has built a real track record drawing crowds, including a 3-day run at Tokyo Dome and 4 days at Jingu Stadium. On the thread, discussion ranged widely: some pointed out that Nogizaka’s name recognition was built by earlier generations of members, others argued that Kōhaku selection prioritizes popularity and ratings over actual hit songs, and still others weighed in on the differing fan bases of the “Sakamichi” groups versus Hello! Project.

What people said

1AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:08
Making an official "feelings statement" (net slang for a public apology/confession post)
12AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:14
Hearing that their best-performing MV for a new song this year only hit 3.2 million views was kind of a letdown.
28AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:27
Re: #12
What on earth is this guy even saying
15AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:15
Because their name recognition and drawing power are just overwhelming.
18AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:16
Re: #15
Their presence in NHK taiga dramas is strong too (taiga = NHK's year-long historical drama slot)
75AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:49
Re: #15
That's the whole point — that name recognition belongs to the earlier generations.
20AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:19
Scrub-Juice otaku don't get to talk about Nogizaka, idiot lol ("zakoshiru" is a mocking pun on "Juice," branding their fans as scrubs)
52AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:40
Re: #20
I don't know anything about Nogizaka so I can't really weigh in, but did something happen with them this year?
23AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:21
AKB has Itō Momoka to thank
Nogizaka has Inoue Nagi to thank
76AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:50
Re: #23
Inoue hasn't gone viral at all though.
26AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:24
Arno sometimes says baffling things even between live performances.
37AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:32
Re: #26
Last year she said "Nogizaka right now is the strongest it's ever been" at a live show and got torn apart by longtime fans for it.
Now she's saying the exact opposite.
29AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:28
Nogizaka still doesn't really have a nationwide hit song, huh?
30AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:29
Re: #29
An influencer, basically.
40AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:33
Re: #29
• Kimi ni Shikarareta ("Scolded by You", 28th single)
• Suki to Iu no wa Rock da ze! ("Being in Love Is Rock!", 30th single)
• Monopoly (34th single, double center with Endō Sakura)
• Same Numbers (39th single)
• I see… (on the 25th single / a 4th-gen members' track)
• Manatsubi yo ("Midsummer Day", on the 39th single)
34AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:31
Juice=Juice did 3 days at Tokyo Dome and 4 days at Jingu Stadium — that puts them right up there with Nogizaka.
45AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:36
Re: #34
[Nogizaka did] 5 days at Yokohama Arena, 2 days at Nissan Stadium, and 2 days at Ajinomoto Stadium.
42AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:35
While everyone and their mother is chasing viral hits, a go-your-own-way style like "Kimi Loss" actually makes them stand out.
It'd be unbalanced anyway if every group just chased the same Gen-Z-friendly viral formula.
83AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:51
Re: #42
Sakurazaka's songs are way more edgy.
They're not chasing virality at all — the whole "rock" ethos is that it just needs to hit the people it's meant to hit.
47AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:37
Which demographic is Nogizaka's popularity mainly coming from?
Middle/high schoolers of both sexes? Popular guys with active social lives? "Low-status" men (slang for socially/romantically unsuccessful men)? Middle-aged guys?
50AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:39
Re: #47

1. Gender ratio

• Male: approx. 80–83%
• Female: approx. 17–20%


2. Age range / average age

• Average age: approx. 39.3 (per survey data such as Nikkei Trendy)
• Core demographic: working adults in their 30s–40s


3. Fan base traits and strengths

• High purchasing power and stability: Compared to idol groups centered on teens and twenty-somethings, Nogizaka's fan base skews toward working adults with more disposable income, so per-fan spending is said to be very high — buying multiple copies of CDs, traveling to shows, collecting goods and cheki (instant photos), etc.
• A culture of long-term support: In many cases fans who've followed the group since its early days keep cheering even as they age, so venues tend to have a fairly wide mix of ages, from younger fans to middle-aged and older ones.
51AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:40
Re: #47
Ever since Maimi's otaku jumped ship to Nogizaka 6th-gen member Ōkoshi Hinano, they've driven up the average age of Nogizaka fans. Sorry about that.
59AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:41
They didn't even do a Dome tour this year though.
64AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:43
Re: #59
They did play the Dome this year.
72AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:48
No hit songs and the performances are trash too —
no wonder people say they're dragging down the level of Japanese idols.
78AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:50
Re: #72
Hello! Project isn't exactly all that either.
81AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:50
If the Sakamichi groups hadn't been able to fill domes and stadiums, Japan's idol scene would've been completely overrun by K-pop's push into the domestic market.
That achievement will go down in history.
85AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:52
Re: #81
Funny how it worked out well even though nobody really gets Sakamichi culture.
84AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:51
If anything, plenty of Japanese people went all the way to Korea for K-pop specifically because they didn't want to end up like Nogizaka.
That's Nogizaka's real sin right there.
90AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:52
Re: #84
That's just because they couldn't get into Nogizaka.
95AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:53
I'll curse all of them — Nogizaka, AKB, =LOVE, HANA, Airitto, and Kawalab — every single one.
103AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:54
Re: #95
It's your own life that's cursed.
No wonder you're miserable.
96AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:53
If just being popular is enough to get this much Kōhaku airtime, they should put more YouTubers on Kōhaku too.
105AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:55
Re: #96
You need popularity to get a lot of people watching though.
109AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:56
Re: #96
Among YouTubers, only someone at Hikakin's level could pull off a Dome live anyway,
and Hikakin's actually appeared on music shows too.
97AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:54
Hello! Project doesn't really do anything and can't really do anything.
Their otaku can barely spend money supporting their idols but still act all high and mighty about it.
110AnonymousNov 14, 2026 08:56
Re: #97
That image has really stuck, huh.
They should take a page from AKB, who sold 800,000 copies without even flexing about it.

Background and Key Points of This Discussion

It’s long been said that NHK’s Kōhaku Uta Gassen selects performers based not just on whether a group had a hit that year, but also on buzzworthiness and contribution to ratings — meaning Sakamichi-series groups are often said to be chosen for “name recognition as a group” rather than for “a hit song.” Meanwhile, Hello! Project groups including Juice=Juice have built up a track record of performances at major venues like Tokyo Dome and Nissan Stadium. Nakanishi Arno’s remark this time brought into focus the contrast between these two different lineages: the “name-recognition type” Sakamichi groups and the “proven box-office type” Hello! Project. Specific figures on Nogizaka’s fan demographics (age, gender ratio) came up in the thread, but since no source was cited for them — and posts asserting that Kōhaku selection involves “collusion” likewise offered no supporting evidence — this article did not adopt those claims.

※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Nogizaka’s Nakanishi Arno: “I feel sorry toward Juice=Juice that we get to appear on Kōhaku as if it’s natural, even without a hit song”.”

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