Palace, Home to Kamada & Tomiyasu, Sack Manager Sarge — 5ch: ‘Sorry Our Japanese Lads Are Causing So Much Trouble’

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The story

Crystal Palace, the Premier League club that fields Japan national team midfielder Daichi Kamada and defender Takehiro Tomiyasu, have sacked manager Pierre Sarge. The trigger was a record of 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 losses through 10 matches, including four straight league defeats that dropped them to the bottom of the table. Sarge had been poached from RC Lens to replace Oliver Glasner, who stepped down at the end of last season. On 5ch, threads debated Kamada’s goal and assist tally, his defensive output in a defensive-midfield role, and comparisons with fellow Premier League player Ao Tanaka, citing numbers like minutes played and distance covered.

Crystal Palace, home to Japan national team midfielder Daichi Kamada and defender Takehiro Tomiyasu, announced on the 12th that they have sacked manager Pierre Sarge.

Palace lost 1-3 to Liverpool in matchday 10 of the Premier League on the 8th. That result left the Eagles on 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 losses — just 7 points — after a fourth straight league loss, dropping them to the bottom of the table.

Faced with this poor run of form, the club decided to sack Sarge, who had been brought in from RC Lens to replace Oliver Glasner after he departed at the end of last season.

Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

What people said

3AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:02
They were doing fine at the start of the season though
up through about matchday 5.
5AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:03
Things fell apart the moment Tomiyasu got injured, but honestly his impact isn't that huge lol
7AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:04
Because Tomiyasu suddenly goes down injured…
10AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:18
Re: #7
Has there ever been a stretch where Tomiyasu DIDN'T go down injured?
74AnonymousNov 13, 2026 00:08
Re: #10
Fair point. Wish he were a bit more durable.
8AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:09
Kamada got hyped up like crazy, but he's played 70+ games and scored just 1 goal.
Only 3 assists too.
And by the way, every single one of those goals and assists came this season.
Zero goals, zero assists before that.
Way overrated.
19AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:34
Re: #8
Ao Tanaka scored against big clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool right after arriving in the Premier League, and even got Man of the Match in his very first game.
His club Leeds also rank higher than Palace, both on Opta's numbers and in the actual league table.
73AnonymousNov 13, 2026 00:08
Re: #8
Moriyasu's Japan team is defense-first — not scoring is fine by that philosophy.
13AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:21
Why not go back to his old club?
They just got stomped 1-9 by Como anyway.
14AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:24
Making the national team while playing for a last-place club
just shows what level we're really talking about, doesn't it?
Like, nobody from a team fighting for last place in the J.League ever gets a national team call-up.
That just means the level inside that team is low.
15AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:27
That said, Glasner's Forest aren't doing great either.
If Forest keeps this up, Glasner might get sacked too and come right back to Palace.
24AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:37
Re: #15
Wait, didn't Glasner leave Palace on bad terms?
17AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:30
Sorry our Japanese lads are causing you so much trouble
18AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:31
Yeah, Kamada's defense really is weak when he plays defensive midfield.
22AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:36
Since this manager took over, Kamada's been told to get more involved in attack, which broadened his game.
He's getting called up for cup matches and for the national team — he's probably played more games than anyone else on the national team roster. And he's 30, lol.
23AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:36
Re: #19
Ao Tanaka's been beating guys like Tonali, Kudus, Rice, and Saka — winning almost every duel, basically dominating.
26AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:38
Re: #23
Ao Tanaka's recent defensive numbers are beyond not just Kamada, but even Wataru Endo and Kaishu Sano.
59AnonymousNov 12, 2026 23:45
Re: #23
Ao Tanaka's FotMob rating among Premier League midfielders in 2026/2027 is 6.85, ranking 40th out of 64.
This season his numbers put him 3rd from the bottom of his team's regular starting XI.
31AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:42
Palace are just terrible at transfers.
Compare that to Brighton, who bring in good players even after losing their key guys — it's night and day.
39AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:46
Re: #31
They bought Brennan Johnson for a club-record fee and sold him at the end of the season. What a joke.
32AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:43
Should've just kept Glasner, lol.
33AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:43
Even if the team's falling apart and Kamada's getting more involved in chances because of it, he's still weak, let's be honest.
35AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:45
The Sano brothers (two Japanese players sharing the surname Sano) should be fine in the Premier League as they are.
42AnonymousNov 12, 2026 22:52
Glasner's gonna get fired soon too, so they should just wait and rehire him then 😂
57AnonymousNov 12, 2026 23:43
Re: #42
Results haven't been great, but they just beat Man City recently, so I don't think he'll get fired right away.
46AnonymousNov 12, 2026 23:05
In J1 terms that'd be like a team on the level of Avispa Fukuoka or Mito Hollyhock…
Even in the Premier League, an Asian player on a team this far at the bottom is gonna fly under everyone's radar.
Even playing a bit well in a losing match is basically the same as not existing.
48AnonymousNov 12, 2026 23:16
Re: #46
That's a dumb comparison — it shows you don't actually watch football regularly.
Total newbie energy.
49AnonymousNov 12, 2026 23:17
Re: #46
The Premier League, even including the second tier, is high level — that's just not true.
65AnonymousNov 12, 2026 23:58
Kamada's basically failed as a defensive midfielder, so the Premier League looks rough for him.
Morita isn't cutting it either — looks like next season it'll just be Tanaka and Zion left.
71AnonymousNov 13, 2026 00:06
Just drop Kamada from the squad already.
75AnonymousNov 13, 2026 00:13
Re: #71
Lol, 'drop Kamada' — the guy's got 5 goals in qualifiers and 2 in the actual World Cup.
Meanwhile Tanaka's got just 1 goal in qualifiers.

Background and talking points

Crystal Palace had posted strong results under former manager Oliver Glasner, even qualifying for European competition, but his successor Pierre Sarge — brought in from RC Lens — oversaw just 2 wins, 1 draw and 7 losses through the opening 10 matches, dropping the club to last place after four straight league losses and ultimately getting sacked. The thread repeatedly circles back to comparisons between Daichi Kamada and Ao Tanaka, who plays for fellow Premier League side Leeds, with each player’s supporters citing their own numbers — minutes played, distance covered, goals and assists — to argue who’s better. It’s worth noting these are snapshot stats from partway through the season that will keep shifting before it ends. It’s also worth remembering that ‘defensive contribution as a defensive midfielder’ depends heavily on how a player is deployed and on team tactics, so the debate can’t really be settled by raw numbers alone. This kind of argument over Japan-based-abroad players flares up again and again for players well beyond just Kamada and Tanaka, and this thread is just the latest example.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports Express+) thread “[Football] Japan national team… Crystal Palace, home of Kamada & Tomiyasu, sack manager Sarge… defensive collapse drops them to the bottom of the Premier League”.

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