Tamagawa Toru Breaks Down the Beer Price-Fixing Scandal — 5ch: “Did He Just Learn the Word ‘Evidently’?”

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The story

On October 7, Japan’s Fair Trade Commission launched a forced investigation into four major beer makers — Asahi, Kirin, Suntory, and Sapporo — on suspicion of violating the Antimonopoly Act (unjust restraint of trade) by colluding to raise the prices of beer-type beverages. The next day, October 8, former TV Asahi employee Tamagawa Toru addressed the issue on TV Asahi’s “Hanetori Shinichi Morning Show,” explaining the alleged motive behind the cartel as “because they clearly know the cheaper one sells better.” On 5ch, while some users voiced suspicion about networks’ reporting stance given that beer makers are major TV sponsors, others called Tamagawa’s remark “just stating the obvious,” and the thread spread into debate over the taste and pricing differences between brands.

Tamagawa Toru breaks down price-fixing suspicions among the four major beer makers: “Because they clearly know the cheaper one sells better”

Former TV Asahi employee Tamagawa Toru, who serves as a commentator, appeared on the network’s “Hanetori Shinichi Morning Show” (weekdays, 8:00 AM) on the 8th and addressed the alleged price-fixing cartel among the four major beer makers.

The Fair Trade Commission conducted a forced investigation on the 7th into Asahi Beer, Kirin Beer, Suntory, and Sapporo Beer on suspicion of violating the Antimonopoly Act (unjust restraint of trade), alleging the four companies formed a cartel aimed at raising the prices of beer-type beverages (including low-malt “happoshu” and third-category beer substitutes).

Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

What people said

7AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:21
This program is brought to you by Asahi Soft Drinks (mock sponsor-announcement joke)
8AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:21
Delivering the obvious with a smug grin
10AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:23
Re: #8
He's just breaking it down simply for the old folks watching TV
9AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:23
If they weren't sponsors, competing on taste would be the obvious move!! They can only compete on price, so they run off to cartels instead — I'd say companies like that deserve to go under
64AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:28
Re: #9
If anything, a price cartel is actually good news for the companies that *can* compete on taste
11AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:24
A TV station that wants beer commercials goes soft on the commentary lol. Come on, do your usual "Outrageous!" routine lol
13AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:26
Aren't the TV stations airing commercials for these "Cartel Four" basically accomplices too?
16AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:28
Re: #13
Running that many commercials just shows how much they're raking in — though maybe TV ad rates have dropped and gotten cheaper
14AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:27
Guess from now on every household just has to brew its own beer!
15AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:28
Can TV stations that are after beer companies' sponsorship money even press them hard? Tamagawa, be more critical!

You sure tear into LDP lawmakers' gaffes hard enough!
17AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:31
What a childish take…
21AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:36
Re: #17
The ones nitpicking everything here are the childish ones…
18AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:32
Is it even fair that Ichiban Shibori and Kirin Lager cost the same? Watching the commercials, Ichiban Shibori feels like it costs more to make
19AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:33
Did he just learn the word "evidently" recently and want to use it?
20AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:35
Re: #16
And on top of that they splash out on big-name celebrities for the ads — guess it's boycott everything except Orion Beer at this rate
30AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:49
The biggest waste is that beer companies use the profits they lock up this way to hire top science and engineering talent.

Beer doesn't taste all that different between brands and hasn't really progressed much over the years, so they're hoarding talented people with high salaries who'd be better off thriving in some other industry.

Japan's probably the only country with this many beer commercials on TV, right?
70AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:37
Re: #30
You're seriously saying beer doesn't taste that different?
33AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:56
They raised prices even though the beer tax rate went down — that's what set the government off
35AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:58
Re: #33
Apparently they'd been warned about it in advance
34AnonymousOct 8, 2026 11:57
Suntory, being the latecomer, should just put out a cheap one — might surprisingly be a hit lol
38AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:00
Right after the liquor tax cut they played it straight and lowered prices, but they were probably planning to jack them back up via "new products" or "renewals" all along
48AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:09
Re: #38
They've already raised beer prices. Former happoshu went up, but the ones that were beer from the start were supposed to go down — yet Super Dry and Ichiban Shibori both went up too. No wonder the government's furious. This is basically a warning shot: "pull this stunt right after a consumption tax cut and you'll end up with a record, so be ready" (slang nod to getting a criminal record)
39AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:00
Is Super Dry really the best-selling beer?
43AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:03
Re: #39
Yep. People have stayed satisfied with it forever, so as a product it's basically perfected.

That's exactly why they can pour insane money into advertising.
42AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:01
There are only 3 love hotels in my town, and all 3 charge the exact same rates
52AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:13
Re: #42
Near my workplace there are almost 10 and the prices are all over the map — naturally the cheap ones fill up fast
50AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:11
I get being annoyed that they went to the trouble of developing third-category beer only for the liquor tax to get tinkered with — but pulling a cartel this blatant, this easy to catch? Of course the government's gonna blow up
56AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:18
Re: #50
If anything, the real problem is that they created a weird, Japan-only product like "third-category beer" in the first place, and the market actually went along with it. If you're going to drink some engineered "functional" alcohol drink, you're better off not drinking at all.
58AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:19
Speaking of a beer "cartel," doesn't that make you think of a shandy gaff or a red eye instead? (playing on cartel/カルテル sounding like cocktail/カクテル)
61AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:25
Re: #58
That's a cocktail. You're thinking of the tube they use in hospitals — a catheter (カクテル/cocktail vs カテーテル/catheter mix-up)
59AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:19
But Suntory Nama is cheap, isn't it? Wonder why
60AnonymousOct 8, 2026 12:21
Re: #59
Because it's a blended beer. Malt's shifted over to being a premium beer anyway. These days, when I'm drinking at home, it's Ichiban Shibori, no question.
87AnonymousOct 8, 2026 13:06
Honestly my reaction was just "uh… sure, I guess" — why does that even need a TV comment, let alone turn into online news?
91AnonymousOct 8, 2026 13:10
Re: #87
Well, it's a crime committed by major corporations, so of course it's news? Though admittedly it's not exactly entertainment/sports material lol

Background and Key Points of This Topic

Beer-type beverages have been subject to a phased liquor tax reform rolling out since 2023, under which the tax-rate gap between beer, low-malt happoshu, and third-category beer substitutes has been narrowing, with rates expected to be largely unified by October 2026. The focus of this case is whether the Fair Trade Commission views the price adjustments the companies made in step with this tax change as having been coordinated among themselves. The thread split between those praising Tamagawa’s explanation and those questioning the sharpness of TV reporting on this, given that networks themselves receive substantial ad revenue from beer makers. It’s worth noting this is still only at the “forced investigation” stage — a confirmed Antimonopoly Act violation has not been established. The exact scale of each company’s price hikes and which products were affected were not spelled out in the thread, so individual comments reflect general consumer reaction rather than confirmed fact.

*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Entertainment & Sports News+) thread “[TV] Tamagawa Toru breaks down price-fixing suspicions among the four major beer makers: “Because they clearly know the cheaper one sells better”.”

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