Japan Beats Ecuador on Penalties, But Still No New Talent Emerges — Sergio Echigo’s Criticism Splits 5ch

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Japan faced Ecuador in the Kirin Cup and won 4-3 on penalties after playing to a scoreless 0-0 draw. In his Nikkan Sports column, Sergio Echigo (81) lamented a first half that offered little to watch, and criticized the fact that no clear new talent has emerged across Japan’s three matches so far. On 5ch, discussion spread around frustration with manager Hajime Moriyasu’s tendency to stick with the same core group of players, and debate over why no new talent is breaking through — while some pushed back, noting Ecuador had a full week of rest compared to Japan’s three-day turnaround, arguing “Ecuador’s own conditions should be factored in too.” Rather than the match itself, it was the evaluation of squad selection and lineup policy that split opinion.

<Kirin Cup: Japan 0 (5 PK 4) 0 Ecuador> ◇October 1 ◇Nissan Stadium

Japan (ranked 17th by FIFA) faced Ecuador (ranked 25th), both sides having been eliminated in the round of 32 at this summer’s World Cup across North and Central America, and won on penalties after a 0-0 draw. Nikkan Sports columnist Sergio Echigo (81) lamented a first half that was especially short on highlights, and voiced unease that no solid new talent has emerged across the three matches so far.

In a similar penalty shootout the night before at the Asian Games, the “younger sibling” team (the U-21 squad) came through; tonight it was the “older sibling’s” turn. But since the older sibling was playing at home, I at least wanted to see them push forward a bit more.

Source: nikkansports.com / Original article here

What people said

3AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:39
That's the team Korea (the self-styled "big brother") beat 3-0, easy. (Japan) still can't seem to catch up, huh.
22AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:04
Re: #3
Korea lost 1-4 to Uruguay.
4AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:40
Wait, didn't this guy die already? Is this Sergio Echigo the Second?
6AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:41
But Poichi (nickname for coach Moriyasu) has run this team for eight years and built up absolutely nothing.
He just lines up whatever players developed on their own.
And the moment those guys break down or get old, it's "oh noooo, we're doomed."
He tries to add some flair by calling up guys like Shiogai, but in the end it's just a gimmick and nothing comes of it.
58AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:56
Re: #6
It wasn't really Tanimura's fault — it was Suzuki Yuito missing shot after shot that killed it.

Tanaka Ao's incredible vertical pass → Tanimura → Suzuki Yuito, and it still didn't end in a goal — that's rough.

https://x.com/98sep10/status/2105637314286477595
59AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:57
Re: #58
That blazing-fast through ball, Premier League-honed, was something else.
66AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:14
Re: #58
With a pass as sluggish as Tanaka's, the defense has time to reset its shape, so it never actually becomes a threat.
8AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:42
Getting paid just to sit there and complain — what a sweet gig.
10AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:46
We all saw the hopeless gap against the football powerhouses at the last World Cup.
Until Japan closes that gap, none of this even matters.
12AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:47
A garbage pitch and garbage attack from both sides — no wonder it ended in a total "salt" match (5ch slang for a dull, scoreless draw).
15AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:52
The reason Moriyasu's squad racks up so many injuries is that he has them playing this "unity and grit" style even in friendlies — he's got them doing intense defending in exhibition matches of all things.
I thought, this guy must be an idiot. He should just quit already.
16AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:52
Oh come on, bro — isn't tonight, into the small hours, 8:00(?), the Venezuela match? Let's go cheer them on, bro! (comment uses deliberately garbled, baby-talk-style spelling as a joke)
17AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:53
> Just like the host prefecture's team at the Kokutai (National Sports Festival, where the host region's team mysteriously does well), Japan will probably end up winning gloriously in the end.

That's Sergio for you —
he's seen right through just how rigged the Kokutai really is.
20AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:56
This guy, and honestly everybody else, never brings up the fact that Ecuador had a full week of rest — that's what makes none of this feel trustworthy.
Especially with the Uruguay match, people were desperate to cry "traveled from the other side of the planet! time difference! fatigue!!!!"
By that logic Ecuador should have steamrolled Japan.
Honestly, maybe it's South America's declining level we should be worrying about, not Japan's.

If new players could just pop up one after another that easily, nobody would have any trouble.
Grown adult still thinking like it's a video game, huh? (lit. "game brain")
21AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:57
The reason Matsuki never gets a look-in is that Moriyasu only trusts his usual regulars ("itsumen"). That's exactly why the squad never gains any depth, and why both the Asian Cup and the World Cup ended in failure. Playing matches like this over and over is pointless.
23AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:06
Moriyasu's only sticking around until the Asian Cup anyway, so none of this really matters at this point.
Feels like all he wants are fill-ins to hold the fort until his "strongest lineup of regulars" is fully assembled again.
24AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:06
Re: #5
The weight of a single goal, the catharsis when the balance finally breaks —
if you can't appreciate that, go watch basketball or volleyball.

The thrill of unexpected plays born from team coordination —
if you can't appreciate that, go watch baseball.

But hey, watch it however you like.
30AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:10
Is Japan's lack of finishing some kind of chronic illness? It never gets cured no matter how much time passes…
32AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:13
Re: #30
Isn't South America's finishing pretty lacking too, though?
81AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:42
Re: #30
What were you even watching at that World Cup?
The team that won was the one that decided individual finishing has its limits, so they'd raise their organizational strength instead.
38AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:25
Well, new talent isn't really necessary anyway.
Moripo's (nickname for Moriyasu) only goal is the Asian Cup, so the players he's used for the past eight years are more than enough.
The only one who's actually retired from the national team is Endo.
And if the center-backs start dropping like flies again, don't worry, he'll just casually call Taniguchi back up too.
45AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:40
Re: #38
At this point just commit and go down together.
46AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:43
Re: #39
Name one country that actually got stronger because its supporters were harsh on it.
50AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:49
Re: #46
The first one that comes to mind is… Big-Brother-land. (i.e., Japan itself, using the sarcastic "oniichan" nickname)
51AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:49
Re: #44
Why is Sergio only ever condescending toward Japan, I wonder?
52AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:51
Re: #51
Of course he talks down to them — he's above them, so that's just natural.
54AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:53
Re: #52
But he's the same guy who tells Japanese people to stop being condescending about Chinese football.
55AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:54
Re: #52
He defends every other Asian country, yet only ever criticizes Japanese football.
53AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:52
Re: #50
Japan's World Cup results keep getting worse though.
So yeah, guess no such country exists after all.
84AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:54
Re: #53
But it's still fresh in memory that big brother (Japan) took down a Germany and a Portugal that were both playing all-in, backs-against-the-wall football, right?
62AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:08
[Sergio Echigo] Takefusa Kubo still isn't really "Real Madrid" after all… Is there even a Japanese player who's truly moved to a big club in the real sense?
https://www.soccerdigestweb.com/news/detail/id=63182
August 23, 2019

And no matter how often this comes up afterward, it just keeps getting ignored.
70AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:17
Re: #62
I think what he's getting at is that they haven't actually been performing well.

Background and Key Points of This Debate

Sergio Echigo has spent years writing sharply critical columns about Japanese football for Nikkan Sports, and his complaint here that “no new talent is emerging” isn’t a new claim — it’s simply an extension of an argument he’s made repeatedly over time. Meanwhile, within the thread, some replies point out that while Japan played on a three-day turnaround, Ecuador had a full week of rest since its previous match — a scheduling gap that a simple strength comparison doesn’t capture, and one that’s easy to miss from the article summary alone. Also, the “older sibling” and “younger sibling” language in the article refers to the senior national team (“older sibling”) winning its shootout the night after the U-21 team (“younger sibling”) won its own shootout at the Asian Games — a turn of phrase from within the column itself — which is a different, unrelated usage from the “oniichan” (big bro) nickname that keeps popping up in the 5ch replies, so the two shouldn’t be confused. Evaluations of Moriyasu’s player selection also mix two different yardsticks — Asian Cup results versus World Cup results — which is part of why opinion in the thread is so divided.

*This article is compiled as an excerpt/summary from the 5ch (Geisoku Sokuho+) thread “[Soccer] Sergio Echigo: Older brother, I wish you’d pushed forward just a bit more… New talent still hasn’t emerged.”

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