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The story
Tsubaki Factory’s live shows sparked two hot debates at once on the 5ch Hello! Project board — the “band problem” and the “call problem.” At shows featuring live band arrangements, some fans cooled on hearing a live guitar solo from “some guy we don’t know,” while others fired back that “it’s sad to have a sensibility that can’t enjoy music,” leading to a debate where neither side really engaged with the other. At the same time, some pointed out that the sheer intensity of the fan calls (kakegoe) might be scaring off new fans, turning the discussion into a broader question of what “getting hyped” at a live show should even look like.
What people said
The otaku are so loud it's grating on the ears.
Too many people act like they came to shout the calls, not to watch the live show — it's obnoxious.
Louder than "Moremi" (fan nickname, exact reference unclear)?
That's underground-scene energy — the mentality of fans acting like they're the main act.
Guess these are people who just like idols and don't actually like music~
It's honestly sad to have a sensibility that can't enjoy music…
Don't worry, I'll enjoy it and cry for you instead 😭
You mean metalheads (lit. "Met" — shorthand for Metallica fans)?
If that's the case, there are way better music scenes out there than Hello! Project.
If anything, it's precisely because they listen to music that the sparse, stripped-down band arrangements are hard to take.
I'm paying money to see the idol I like, so watching some random guy's guitar solo just isn't fun for me — that's all.
And then I get told I "can't enjoy music" or that I'm just a "nonsensical person," lol
Juice=Juice's and Rosy's are way more obnoxious.
That's just call-and-response filler anyone can join in on.
Heads-up, King doesn't even have a solo part.
If sheer numbers make something "right," then sure, it's right.
I figured we'd get an even longer guitar solo than the original, so I was kind of let down.
So I guess the real issue is more like "point the camera at the idols, not the player."
But honestly, the members doing air guitar all look like they're having fun and it's cute — if I were actually there, I'd probably be watching them anyway.
It's cringe when the band guy starts showing off his own ego.
Just like people who like bands listen to bands, people who like idols simply like the music as idol music.
We're enjoying it with good looks as a bonus, so quit pulling this "chin kishi" (lit. slang for a guy who fake-poses as a pure music lover to seem above it all) move pretending you're purely into the instruments.
So defending the band guys now makes you a "chin kishi"?
Well, they still can't beat the top vocalists from other groups on that front.
Sure, in your head-canon maybe.
As entertainment though, those 10 seconds just tank the whole vibe.
I'm not even an Akiyama fan, but I think she's the best singer in Tsubaki right now.
Background and Key Points of This Debate
Band-format idol shows have become fairly common on the Hello! Project scene in recent years, and the live guitar solos and arrangement changes that come with a real band can clash with fans’ expectations of a faithful reproduction of the original song. This clash boils down to a mismatch between the “can’t you enjoy music?” camp and the “I came here to see the idols” camp — it’s less a matter of one side being right and more a difference in live-show culture. As for the other flashpoint, the excessiveness of the calls, it’s easy to overlook — as pointed out in post 20 — that the members themselves originally came up with and cultivated the calls, so it’s not simply a case of “fans running wild.” You could describe it as a structure where a performance choice made by the performers (the band) and a response culture built by the audience (the calls) have each grown bigger at the same time, raising the question of how well the two now fit together.
※This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Tsubaki Factory’s SNS Is Buzzing Like Never Before lol.”
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