Sparked by a post on X (formerly Twitter) claiming that “what women really mean by ‘cleanliness’ is whether a man is a ‘weak man’ (jakusha danshi, i.e. a low-status, unattractive man) or not,” the debate over “cleanliness” spread to 5ch’s Livegalileo (general live-commentary) board as well. Posters lined up opinions like “if he’s handsome, nobody cares if he’s broke or sweaty” and “in the end it’s looks and money, not cleanliness,” with the discussion expanding to bring up actor Masahiro Higashide as an example and theories about which hairstyles are popular with women — though partway through, things derailed into personal bickering between posters.
What women really mean by “cleanliness” comes down to one thing: whether or not you’re a “weak man.” To women, weakness is a kind of “impurity,” so no matter how well-groomed a guy who can’t shake that “weak” aura makes himself, he just ends up as a “clean weak man” — and since women instinctively recoil from weakness, he still reads as dirty to them in the end. A high-status man’s unwashed d*ck is cleaner to them than a low-status man’s freshly washed hands.
Source: x.com / Original post here
Meanwhile I've seen guys in expensive clothes get totally ignored, more than once.
I was broke and still had women all over me
I was sweaty and still got liked
Even with pretty indoorsy hobbies
A bit of an annoying guy
But since I was a tall, good-looking guy, everyone just let it slide
Good looks
Money
In the end, isn't it just this?
For dating, the handsome guys win
For marriage-hunting, it's the rich guys (though apparently they get cuckolded a lot)
Being serious for a second, you don't even need to be handsome
If you actually understood women, this would be obvious
and as long as you're not bald, that's the bare minimum for "cleanliness," right?
You don't get it — an ugly guy who's well-groomed is still just an ugly guy
Even bald and short, doesn't someone like Masayoshi Son (SoftBank's billionaire founder) still look clean?
Men need to get their wild side back
Stop sucking up to women
Wasn't he living in the mountains with a harem or something
Here we go again with the gap between what men think is handsome and what women think is handsome
Guys with a "mushroom cut" who look unpopular at first glance are actually the most popular
Unless the hairstyle is really bizarre, hairstyle doesn't actually matter
Whether it's a buzz cut or a mushroom cut, guys who are popular are popular regardless
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Livegalileo) thread 「[Sad News] Here’s What Women Really Mean by “Cleanliness” LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL」.
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