“We Cut His Meds and the Bedridden Patient Started Walking” — 5ch Splits Over Japan’s ‘Overbearing Medicine’

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The story

“We cut back on his medication, and the bedridden patient started walking.” An article in which psychiatrist Hideki Wada and Moyo Kimura, a former Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare medical officer, criticize the harms of excessive medication and treatment for the elderly — so-called “overbearing medicine” — became a hot topic on 5channel’s News Express+ board. In the thread, several posters shared firsthand accounts of care facilities and hospitals reaching for sedatives out of fear of lawsuits over falls, or simply due to staff shortages. Others pushed back, raising concerns that the “stopped his meds and he started walking” anecdote was spreading without any data to back it up, and warning of the dangers of patients discontinuing medication on their own judgment. Opinion in the thread was split.

Go to the hospital, see a doctor, take your medication properly — we’ve always believed that’s what it means to protect your health. But in Japan, where access to medical care is supposed to be so easy, why hasn’t the number of bedridden elderly people gone down?

Hideki Wada, a psychiatrist who has spent decades observing elder care on the front lines, and Moyo Kimura, a former medical officer at the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, argue that “overbearing medicine” is behind this.

There are hospital cases, they say, where simply reducing an elderly patient’s medication was enough to get someone who had been bedridden walking again. Does more medical care really mean better health? The two experts challenge the “common sense” behind elder care in Japan.

Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

What people said

12AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:38
Hospitals and care facilities have it easier when patients are bedridden.
Senile old folks especially are a problem if they move around, so they get sedated into compliance.

I mean, facilities do face lawsuit risk if a senile old person falls and has an accident, but if they're bedridden from the drugs, that's one less thing to worry about.
152AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:37
Re: #12
Dementia patients are a handful, sure, but…

the elderly don't exist for the facility's convenience. There's got to be a better way to handle this.
19AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:40
Some elderly people end up showing dementia-like symptoms just from sleeping pills.
33AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:43
Re: #19
Seriously? I've been prescribed triazolam and Dayvigo for about 5 years now — is that bad?
23AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:41
Yeah, it's gotta be this.
https://blog-imgs-46.fc2.com/n/u/k/nukomishuranu/201010211914076ac.jpg
72AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:57
Re: #23
In another 20 years, what'll they have to strap on us old folks to snap us to attention?
114AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:18
Re: #23
I used to carry a Type 44 cavalry carbine.
46AnonymousSep 16, 2026 18:48
This is exactly the kind of thing old folks believe, so they stop taking their prescribed meds on their own judgment,
their symptoms come back and they end up at the hospital again,
and by then they've built up tolerance so the drug doesn't work as well, so the doctor prescribes something else — and then they stop that on their own judgment too.
77AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:00
Doctors just hand out huge piles of drugs like it's their calling.
It's insane.
80AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:01
Re: #77
Because it's profitable, that's why!
78AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:01
Quitting your meds and going out "pin-pin-korori" (hale and hearty right up until you suddenly drop dead) is the ideal way to go.
82AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:02
Re: #78
If anything, what we need is a drug that gives you the pin-pin-korori death.
85AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:04
Isn't being bedridden healthier than wandering around aimlessly?
88AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:05
Re: #85
Being bedridden causes bedsores, so it's actually easier on caregivers if patients get up and move around a bit during the day.
86AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:04
Re: #82
If they're hale and hearty, they wouldn't need a drug to drop dead, would they?
91AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:06
Re: #86
True.
What we need is "bedridden-then-drop-dead."
93AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:07
"Bedridden old person" has become an outdated term, huh.
104AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:10
Re: #93
It's not outdated at all.
There's an enormous number of bedridden elderly people in homes, care facilities, and hospitals.
You just don't notice if you don't have anyone like that in your own family.
99AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:09
Don't get fooled, guys — between a dementia patient who wanders and one who's bedridden, caregiving is overwhelmingly easier with the bedridden one. A wandering dementia patient means you have to watch them even during meals, which is a guaranteed path to quitting your job to be a caregiver.
128AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:25
Re: #99
This, exactly…
I do home-visit medical care, and I get a lot of requests like "the facility staff are exhausted, could you prescribe something to keep the resident sedated?"
…I'm in the camp that refuses, though.
103AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:10
Just pass an assisted-dying law already.
I really don't want to end up with dementia.
116AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:18
Can't something be done about how so many young people these days go to the hospital for lifestyle diseases and get handed pills as a matter of routine?
118AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:21
Re: #116
Why would anything need to be done about it?
It's insurance-covered healthcare spending, not my problem.
Who's going to hold back for someone else's sake?
117AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:20
If cutting back on medical treatment really does make people healthier,
there ought to be data proving it… so what does the data actually say?
124AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:24
Re: #117
Without that, it's just a scam story.

Which drug, for which condition, are we even talking about?
120AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:21
Average life expectancy keeps rising, but healthy life expectancy hasn't budged.
That gap is what's turned nursing care and medicine into a massive industry.
127AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:25
Re: #120
The Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare wants to close that gap between average and healthy life expectancy as much as possible — shorten it.
https://kennet.mhlw.go.jp/information/information/wp-content/uploads/Gap_Average_Life_Expectancy_and_HALE_202502.png
129AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:26
There's always a certain number of people who believe garbage stories like this, stop taking their meds, and end up dying because of it.
Must look pretty absurd from a doctor's point of view.
132AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:27
Re: #129
There are quite a few patients who stop taking even the meds that are genuinely dangerous to skip.
131AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:27
I have type 1 diabetes and I've been making my own insulin for almost 40 years, but for some reason the type 2 diabetics I saw hospitalized died off easily. Strange thing to observe.
141AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:32
Re: #131
With type 1, you're aware of the disease from childhood, so you're able to manage yourself properly.
Type 2 is… a different story.

Re: #133
There's a thing called a "medication-reduction bonus," so hospitals will try to cut your meds once you're admitted.
With outside prescriptions, the hospital doesn't make any money off whatever drugs get prescribed after you're discharged anyway.
133AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:29
When my father was hospitalized, they said "let's tidy up your medications a bit" and cut quite a lot of them.
145AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:34
They're just deliberately using psychotropic drugs to put people into a bedridden state.
151AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:36
Re: #145
For elderly people in care facilities, the "golden path" is dementia → wandering → falling → fracture → bedridden.
153AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:37
The Japan Medical Association, the worst vested-interest group out there, just does whatever it wants and takes it way too far.
158AnonymousSep 16, 2026 19:40
Re: #153

The Japan Medical Association gets singled out a lot, but
out in the regions, the real power players in medicine are the local university professors
who hold hiring authority and budget control, and can freely adjust how many doctors get dispatched to affiliated hospitals.

Because of that manpower gap, independent clinic doctors are in an overwhelmingly weak position (if a big hospital refuses to take a severe case, the clinic doctor is left with nowhere to turn).
The Medical Association is basically a guild that independent practitioners formed to help each other out.

…but the trend now is toward turning all independent practices into outpatient-only clinics and concentrating hospital beds at the big hospitals,
so really, it's the universities and big hospitals that still hold the stronger hand…

Background and key points of this discussion

The term “overbearing medicine” refers to how medication and testing beyond what’s necessary can actually strip elderly patients of their physical and mental function. Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare statistics have long shown a gap of roughly 8 to 9 years between average life expectancy and healthy life expectancy, and closing that gap has been treated as a policy challenge for medical and elder care. The thread split over the question of “who the prescriptions are really for” — some posters offered firsthand accounts of sedatives being used because of understaffed facilities or to avoid lawsuits, while others warned that stopping medication on one’s own judgment risks rebound symptoms and drug tolerance. It was also noted that there’s a structural incentive at play: hospitals actually lose revenue when they trim a patient’s medications during a hospital stay (due to a “medication-reduction bonus” system), so the situation isn’t as simple as “doctors prescribe drugs just to make money.” The article itself offers no data backing up the specific claim that reducing medication got a patient walking again — it’s worth keeping in mind that this is an individual anecdote.

*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (News Express+) thread “‘We Cut His Meds and the Bedridden Patient Started Walking’ — The Reality of the ‘Overbearing Medicine’ Turning Japan’s Elderly Frail.”

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