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A thread appeared on 5ch’s Hello! Project board asking “where can you actually have a proper discussion about Hello! Project these days?” The original poster complained that X (formerly Twitter) has devolved into one-upmanship contests where real conversation can’t happen, and that regular 5ch threads are just as prone to getting derailed by slander and rivalry-baiting. In response, posters traded a range of opinions on fighting off trolls and finding a new home: some said threads with IP addresses displayed tend to allow more civil discussion, others called for setting up a dedicated Hello! Project server on Mastodon or Misskey, floated LINE Open Chats, or suggested migrating to an outside forum altogether.
What people said
Hardcore-fan density (low to high):
Release events
Concerts
Individual meet-and-greets
Fan club events
Even when people are having a decent conversation, some guy shows up trying to one-up everyone and the thread's trashed instantly.
Never seen anyone like that lol
Oh wait, they're all gone now.
Only fix is to add the word "Juice" to your NG (mute) filter (i.e., block out Juice=Juice discussion since it's what sets off the group-rivalry flame wars).
Re: #14's suggestion actually lets you have a pretty decent conversation.
You'll still get 1-2 idiots showing up,
but in the regular topics only about 2-3 out of 50 posters are worth talking to,
so IP-display topics are way better by comparison.
That said, if you can't even tolerate the 1-2 idiots in an IP topic,
then Re: #21 is really your only option left.
Next time I'll make the thread with IP + Wacchoi (an ID tag derived from network info) turned on.
Like you'd ever actually make one lol
There aren't even any anti-Juice=Juice multi-stans on "Wolf" to begin with.
I feel that. I'm a DD (a fan who loves multiple groups/members equally) leaning anti-Juice=Juice, and things blow up so fast I lose all motivation to even share an opinion.
Lately they've pretty much stopped showing up though.
Pretty sure they even ran live-watch threads for concerts late at night.
It's just one single chat thread, so it's not great for juggling different topics.
I want to be able to start separate threads or dig into a specific topic.
Guess moving over to a Talk room (LINE group chat) would work though.
The trolling is brutal every single day.
Anyone who objects to that is probably a troll or a slanderer themselves.
The board admin hasn't been doing anything.
Hasn't for a long time now.
Yeah. Let's all just migrate to some other board together.
Probably the right call.
Whoever ran it would have to actually handle deletions and bans properly, which sounds exhausting.
They'd probably be on the hook for policing any criminal posts too.
It's rare to find a lawless free-for-all like this place anywhere else.
"I'll say whatever I want,
but the rest of you better not say anything that upsets me."
So really, just go do whatever you want wherever you want.
You say "at the end of the day" but that's not summing anything up at all.
You're completely ignoring the actual point about doing something about the unhinged trolls.
Even "Oyaki" (nickname for a notorious poster) nearly had to migrate once when this place got unusable, but he got reported to the admin, banned, and just came crawling back.
I mean, on a normal forum a nutjob like that would just get banned.
Once that guy was gone, the normal posters should've moved over there even more than they did.
Background and Key Points of This Discussion
5ch has features like an “ID” display that identifies individual posters and “Wacchoi,” an identifier derived from IP address, though whether a given board adopts them varies. The “IP display” setup that several posters in the thread were calling for is meant to thin out anonymity, making it easier to pin down trolls and posters engaging in slander, and thereby keep the quality of discussion up. There’s also an underlying factor at play: since Hello! Project is made up of many different groups, fans of one group turning hostile toward other groups — or their fans — tends to be a major source of thread derailment. The broader shift away from open, anonymous message boards toward LINE Open Chats, invite-only social platforms, or dedicated private servers isn’t unique to Hello! Project — it’s a trend that’s been widely observed across idol fandoms in recent years, and this thread can be seen as part of that same movement.
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “[Urgent Request] A Place to Properly Discuss Hello! Project.”
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