Hachinohe City in Aomori Prefecture has announced it will establish a site selection committee for a new stadium for J2 club Vanraure Hachinohe, aiming to decide on a location by June 2027. The club’s home ground, Purefoods Stadium, fails to meet J.League requirements — it lacks a roof over the stands, among other issues — and the club must submit a stadium development plan to the J.League by November, two years from now. On 5ch, opinions split over whether tax money should be spent, with commenters citing the cases of Akita and Hiroshima.
This is about the new stadium development for J2 football club Vanraure Hachinohe.
Hachinohe City in Aomori Prefecture has decided to establish a committee of experts to select a site, aiming to decide on a location by June of next year, 2027.
Vanraure Hachinohe’s home ground, Purefoods Stadium, does not meet J2 requirements — it lacks a roof covering the spectator seats, among other issues — and to keep its license, the club must submit a development plan for a new stadium to the J.League by November, two years from now.
Source: newsdig.tbs.co.jp / Original article here
Why do citizens' taxes have to pay for a stadium just so soccer players can make money?
It's like people who want to open restaurants demanding the prefecture or city build their storefronts with tax money!
If you need a place to make your own money, build it yourself! If you can't, rent something that already exists! Don't use tax money to pay the usage fees!
Pay the stadium usage fees properly like everyone else, and if there's still profit left over, then take your salary.
Why do we have to feed you soccer players with our taxes?
【Soccer players are the enemy of the Japanese people】
Now I totally get why people say that.
It's like people who want to open restaurants demanding the prefecture or city build their storefronts with tax money!
If you need a place to make your own money, build it yourself! If you can't, rent something that already exists! Don't use tax money to pay the usage fees!
Pay the stadium usage fees properly like everyone else, and if there's still profit left over, then take your salary.
Why do we have to feed you soccer players with our taxes?
【Soccer players are the enemy of the Japanese people】
Now I totally get why people say that.
>>2
The contractors with vested interests through their politicians are doing exactly that in Aomori.
The contractors with vested interests through their politicians are doing exactly that in Aomori.
>>2
In any municipality, it's elected councilors deciding on J.League investment by majority vote in the assembly. Do you just not like democracy?
In any municipality, it's elected councilors deciding on J.League investment by majority vote in the assembly. Do you just not like democracy?
In hyper-depopulated Aomori, approving something like this right before the unified local elections would guarantee you lose your seat, so this reeks of a construction-firm 5% kickback scheme.
In 50 or 100 years, Hachinohe City and Aomori Prefecture will both be gone.
Heck, Japan itself might be finished too.
Heck, Japan itself might be finished too.
Poor clubs like Akita's should just be disbanded.
If the J.League pivots toward a Premier League-style model,
a lower-league club like Hachinohe won't need a new stadium at all.
a lower-league club like Hachinohe won't need a new stadium at all.
>>4
Some idiot from the entrenched local pork-barrel faction ("dotsubo-tō," slang for old-guard local politicians) is probably steamrolling this through, lol
Some idiot from the entrenched local pork-barrel faction ("dotsubo-tō," slang for old-guard local politicians) is probably steamrolling this through, lol
Here's what happened to Akita Prefecture, which built seven baseball stadiums with capacities over 10,000 using tax money — despite having no pro baseball team.
Akita Prefecture has the most severe aging and declining-birthrate problem in Japan. According to the Cabinet Office's White Paper on the Aging Society, its aging rate (share of population 65+) is 39.5%, the highest in the nation, and its child population ratio is 10.9%, the lowest in the nation.
Akita Prefecture has the most severe aging and declining-birthrate problem in Japan. According to the Cabinet Office's White Paper on the Aging Society, its aging rate (share of population 65+) is 39.5%, the highest in the nation, and its child population ratio is 10.9%, the lowest in the nation.
People often get this wrong, but the city is the one who wants to build this, you know?
Vanraure here is just the tenant — a team most people are hearing about for the first time isn't exactly some powerful pressure group.
They probably asked for it, sure, but the decision is the city's to make.
It's like telling a ramen shop moving into a building under construction, 'If you're gonna profit here, you pay for the construction costs' — that's a weird way to put it, right? (´・ω・｀)
If they want to recoup costs, that should just be reflected in the rent. If it's still running a deficit even after charging a reasonable rent, then the building's just too extravagant.
Vanraure here is just the tenant — a team most people are hearing about for the first time isn't exactly some powerful pressure group.
They probably asked for it, sure, but the decision is the city's to make.
It's like telling a ramen shop moving into a building under construction, 'If you're gonna profit here, you pay for the construction costs' — that's a weird way to put it, right? (´・ω・｀)
If they want to recoup costs, that should just be reflected in the rent. If it's still running a deficit even after charging a reasonable rent, then the building's just too extravagant.
>>1
Hirosaki City Sports Park Baseball Stadium (Haruka Yume Kyujo)
https://www.kajima.co.jp/news/digest/apr_2019/cover_photo/index.html
I want Hachinohe to build a stadium that doesn't lose to Hirosaki's.
Hirosaki City Sports Park Baseball Stadium (Haruka Yume Kyujo)
https://www.kajima.co.jp/news/digest/apr_2019/cover_photo/index.html
I want Hachinohe to build a stadium that doesn't lose to Hirosaki's.
>>17
Why build something so wasteful…
Why build something so wasteful…
>>18
Probably because Hirosaki wanted to attract Rakuten (the pro baseball team) and pushed for the development. With the Aomori National Sports Festival happening, it was a good chance to pull funding from the national government.
Probably because Hirosaki wanted to attract Rakuten (the pro baseball team) and pushed for the development. With the Aomori National Sports Festival happening, it was a good chance to pull funding from the national government.
>>18
The national government kicks in a percentage of subsidies.
It keeps local construction companies running, young workers gather and settle down,
they spend money locally.
It's a run-of-the-mill economic stimulus move, and Hiroshima is doing exactly this right now.
Honestly my mental image of the area in front of Hiroshima Station is just permanently covered in construction sheeting at this point (´・ω・｀)
And while construction is happening, the local economy is genuinely thriving, so there's barely any criticism.
Then a while after they finished Sanfrecce's stadium, the prefectural governor — who was still pretty young — stepped down.
Well, that's just how it goes (´・ω・｀)
I don't know if it's good or bad.
Maybe it's a necessary evil.
The national government kicks in a percentage of subsidies.
It keeps local construction companies running, young workers gather and settle down,
they spend money locally.
It's a run-of-the-mill economic stimulus move, and Hiroshima is doing exactly this right now.
Honestly my mental image of the area in front of Hiroshima Station is just permanently covered in construction sheeting at this point (´・ω・｀)
And while construction is happening, the local economy is genuinely thriving, so there's barely any criticism.
Then a while after they finished Sanfrecce's stadium, the prefectural governor — who was still pretty young — stepped down.
Well, that's just how it goes (´・ω・｀)
I don't know if it's good or bad.
Maybe it's a necessary evil.
Hachinohe actually has a pretty thriving secondary-industry sector beyond fishing and seafood processing too — companies like Mitsubishi Paper and Hachinohe Smelting are based there.
Even seafood caught off Hakodate is cheaper there than buying it in Hakodate itself.
Even seafood caught off Hakodate is cheaper there than buying it in Hakodate itself.
>>20
Not really sure what you're getting at, but there's no demand for baseball anymore, so they should just build something else.
Not really sure what you're getting at, but there's no demand for baseball anymore, so they should just build something else.
>>22
I'm sure someone's said that too (´・ω・｀)
But specifically, what's something that gets subsidies AND keeps local construction firms busy for years at a time?
I'm sure someone's said that too (´・ω・｀)
But specifically, what's something that gets subsidies AND keeps local construction firms busy for years at a time?
The way to fight this is to file a resident audit request after the assembly passes the stadium budget. Though only Hachinohe residents can actually do that.
>>25
Why not just dig a hole and fill it back in?
More entertaining to watch than baseball, honestly.
Why not just dig a hole and fill it back in?
More entertaining to watch than baseball, honestly.
>>29
Right? lol Can't answer, can you? Nothing comes to mind, does it? (´・ω・｀)
Right? lol Can't answer, can you? Nothing comes to mind, does it? (´・ω・｀)
>>12
If they get rid of promotion and relegation, the league itself will decline, so they'd never do that.
If they get rid of promotion and relegation, the league itself will decline, so they'd never do that.
Making a soccer stadium the core of city planning takes a serious amount of commitment.
>>34
Commitment to dying, maybe.
Commitment to dying, maybe.
All over Japan there are stadiums nobody can afford to maintain, just left abandoned.
This is going to end up as another one of those abandoned stadiums.
This is going to end up as another one of those abandoned stadiums.
>>48
There already are plenty — all those baseball stadiums built for no good reason.
There already are plenty — all those baseball stadiums built for no good reason.
>>48
That refers to the baseball stadiums scattered across the country.
The needlessly huge ones — Mascat Stadium, Botchan Stadium, Akita Komachi Stadium, and the like —
will get called out over their upkeep costs sooner or later.
That refers to the baseball stadiums scattered across the country.
The needlessly huge ones — Mascat Stadium, Botchan Stadium, Akita Komachi Stadium, and the like —
will get called out over their upkeep costs sooner or later.
The J.League really needs to stop letting in clubs that can't secure a proper stadium, and kick out the ones already in the league that still haven't.
>>50
For clubs like Akita that just dawdle and never make progress,
I think it's only fair to set a deadline and relegate them if they miss it.
The Akita mayor's been throwing out complaints, acting like the original plan is none of his concern.
For clubs like Akita that just dawdle and never make progress,
I think it's only fair to set a deadline and relegate them if they miss it.
The Akita mayor's been throwing out complaints, acting like the original plan is none of his concern.
Hiroshima's at the bottom too, but they're still putting in the effort, you know? (´・ω・｀)
Let me flip the question — is it the 'correct' use of tax money to just sit on a small pile of it, never developing anything, never taking any chances?
Is that the right answer?
Let me flip the question — is it the 'correct' use of tax money to just sit on a small pile of it, never developing anything, never taking any chances?
Is that the right answer?
>>71
Framing it as 'effort' vs. 'no effort' is just spiritualism.
If trying hard actually fixed things, Japan's population wouldn't have declined this much.
Framing it as 'effort' vs. 'no effort' is just spiritualism.
If trying hard actually fixed things, Japan's population wouldn't have declined this much.
For starters, I'd want every club from J1 to J3 to pay the full home stadium usage fee — not some percentage of ticket revenue — as a matter of course, before anyone starts talking about new stadiums.
>>78
It's Hachinohe City that's motivated here, though.
It's Hachinohe City that's motivated here, though.
Only 19 home games a year? The whole system needs rethinking at this point.
>>96
Artificial turf (the modern hybrid kind),
a roof over just part of the stands,
some seating areas replaced with grass
That's the only way to boost the usage rate, increase general public use,
and make it more of a public-benefit facility.
Artificial turf (the modern hybrid kind),
a roof over just part of the stands,
some seating areas replaced with grass
That's the only way to boost the usage rate, increase general public use,
and make it more of a public-benefit facility.
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Soccer] J2 club Vanraure Hachinohe’s new stadium development — Hachinohe City aims to decide on a site by June 2027, sets up site selection committee.”
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